Imagine spending five thousand dollarydoos on a mid range desktop

>enterprise grade storage
What does this mean in the context of SSDs?

Get Samsung 970 Pro or the 970 Evo Plus

Has 1,500,000 hours MTBF compared to their enterprise SSDS which have 2,000,000 hours MTBF. Both consumer and enterprise have identical warranty lengths.

It means you won't get fired from your job when it fails.
In practical terms in means much more overprovisioning than in a consumer device of equal nominal capacity, last I checked the data center stuff was still rated for an order of magnitude more TBW than the mainstream drives.

Any more suggestions?

I'd put an AIO on, but that's the quietest cooler that can handle the 2990WX and it's the closest you'd get to Apple's cooling standards.

Also, liquid cooling scares people.

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1TB PM983 enterprise M.2 drive from samsung is ~$90 less than the 1TB 970 Pro M.2 drive.

So it's not like it is gonna cost you anymore to get an enterprise drive. You'll just have to sacrifice some performance.

enjoy your Windows/Linux, I'll pay more just to use macOS and live in peace

Does drive reliability matter that much when you've got backups of everything?

All you need to do to get this running mac OS is to own a mac with the latest OS, then create an ISO signed by that mac (so it's been properly signed by a real official mac), then run baremetal hypervisor and run your signed ISO of macOS in a VM.

Pass through your Radeon VII's (which have beta driver support in the latest mac OS beta), dedicate all but 1 of your cores to the VM, leave a single core for the baremetal OS.

bobs your uncle.

For more information LTT has some decent videos on this process.

youtube.com/watch?v=ATnpEOo3GJA

youtube.com/watch?v=0TBQ_DHCtmI

> All you need to do
> some complicated scheme that may break any moment with a macOS update

thanks, still paying to them to have less problem

also using my Mac Mini 2012 for the 7th year because it fits all my app development needs, it's not that expensive to buy appleshit once in a decade

>because it fits all my app development needs
If you're able to use a Mac mini from 2012 without issue, then obviously this was never the product intended for you to begin with.

Even a new Mac mini would be a massive upgrade for you at 1/8th the cost.

If it's one of the i7 models, it's barely even an upgrade. You could get one in 2012 with a quad core, an SSD and 16GB of RAM.

bullshit

The 2012 Mac mini topped out with a quad core i7 at 2.3Ghz base with a 2.6Ghz boost. with 6MB L3 cache.

The top end 2018 Mac Mini tops out with a 6 core i7 at 3.2Ghz, with a turbo boost to 4.6Ghz and 12MB of L3 cache.

So 2 more cores, a FUCK ton more clock speed, and double the cache.

Not to mention the other upgrades like 10GbE NIC, thunderbolt, NVMe SSD, etc.

Barely even an upgrade? Are you fucking stupid?

Nobody's buying the base model of the Mac Pro. The whole point is to upgrade it and get a supercomputer designed for your needs.

The upgrades are even worse value than the base model.

>doesn't run a decent OS
I mean, it's worthless from the start but let's play along.

How well can you upgrade it?

Nothing you do on a Mac Mini is going to benefit from an NVME SSD, a 10GbE NIC or Thunderbolt because that's not the reason you buy one.

Yeah, good luck pulling that off as a business. And then getting fucked by the next update.

Good job confirming yourself as fucking stupid, like I thought.

>Nothing you do on a Mac Mini
No, nothing YOU do would benefit, because you're obviously a moron and rarely do anything that requires powerful modern hardware.

If you're okay with a 2.3Ghz mobile i7, you're simply not using your computer for much.

You can put Linux on it user, I'm not stopping you.

It's got one more PCIE 16x slot than the Mac Pro, and six SATA ports versus the two storage slots on the Mac.

If you're one of the few people that needs more than 256GB of RAM, grab an EPYC 7551P and you can run 2TB max, compared to the 1.5TB in the Mac.

If you need powerful modern hardware, why are you buying a Mac Mini? It exists purely to provide the cheapest possible Apple approved way to run OSX for people like .

Biggest thing it's missing is thunderbolt 3

We might see it on the new Threadripper stuff.

A company is no going to hire a complete neckbeard to make a Hackintosh.

They are paying for stability and just werks solutions too.

He bought the maxed out 2012 Mac mini, why the fuck did he need such modern powerful hardware back then, but not now?

>IKEA IDEALISK Grater

Checkken and kekken

>You can put Linux on it user
>buying a 6k workstation for ricing
I don't know, man, seems a bit excessive.

>It's got one more PCIE 16x slot than the Mac Pro
Doesn't the Mac Pro use some double PCI fuckery to basically put two cards in one of their slots, and there is the option to do it twice.

Would be pretty interesting to see comparison with maxed out version.

We're comparing the top end 2012 mac mini to the top end 2018 mac mini, and he claims it's, and I quote
> it's barely even an upgrade.

If all you need one for is exporting apps for OSX, it really isn't. It's still using laptop parts, it still can't turbo properly, and you can't upgrade the storage. If you're in a position to care about all that extra performance/functionality, you shouldn't be buying one.

That's asinine and completely wrong.

If I want a media computer for my home theater with a large NAS attached, the Mac mini 2018 is fantastic.
The much faster turbo boost allows for burst performance, it's obviously not meant for sustained loads at 4.6Ghz, but that doesn't mean it can't hit 4.6Ghz under burst loads.

If you want a powerful media center mac computer that can look very stylish and fit in with any home theater, the mac mini 2018 is a clear option

>my use case is the ONLY use case possible for the mac mini

yeah, get your head out of your ass you fucking clown.

They haven't launched the configurator for the Mac Pro yet, unfortunately.

And yeah, I read it as four PCIE slots with two MPX modules but it's actually eight PCIE slots with four MPX modules. Each module hooks into two though, so either way you're maxing out at four GPUs. The Mac also requires you to use the MPX modules or put up with 150w of power per PCIE slot.

Or not, because this picture makes it look like you can only put two of the MPX modules in due to PCIE spacing.

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What's the benefit of using a Mac as a home theater device over Windows/Linux?

op sure got told
kek
apple wins yet again

>Case: IKEA IDEALISK Grater
moderate keg

Holy shit, I just noticed how large the mainboard is. Fucking scary.

Personal preference, just like every other use-case for Mac OS.

Home-sharing with iTunes and the whole Airplay fuckery and being able to use your phone as remote sounds pretty nice. I bet a lot of it is doable on other OS's too but with an Apple ecosystem it'd work right out of the box with barely a minute spent for configuration.

For that role, aren't you mainly going to be interacting with the device through something like PLEX anyways?

Why would I?

I have a fully functional Mac desktop at my TV, I can do whatever the fuck I want with it. Web browsing, imessages, mail, etc, etc.

It's huge.

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>Annihilator
the only thing this shit is annihilating is my wallet

>The whole point is to upgrade it and get a supercomputer designed for your needs.

No, you pay the price of a super computer and get a $5000 PC out of it.

And how many of those tasks benefit from you using a hexa-core machine with a nice amount of RAM and an SSD versus someone using a slightly slower quad-core machine with a nice amount of RAM and an SSD?

Dang that's a lot of PCI

Where's the RAM though

Soldered onto the board of course. You didn't think you'd be upgrading it yourself, did you?

Presumably it's soldered onto the back of the motherboard.

...you must not browse the internet much these days, having more than 2Ghz more performance per core is going to make everything faster in general, from web page loads, to opening up an application.

The SSD in the 2012 mac mini helps, but it still wont compare to the 2018.

I was half right, it's on the back of the motherboard but it isn't soldered. Someone is getting fired for this.

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No it's user accessible.

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Don't worry, I'm sure the motherboard and OS will block unauthorized hardware upgrades and modifications.

>assembling your own computer like a Chinese factory worker
LOL how's being poor? Imagine not being able to pay a few thousand dollars extra for highly trained certified Apple geniuses to perfectly assemble your computer with perfect precision

Threadripper supports 128GB of RAM max

I've got a 8700k and a 4810MQ, both of them boot off 850 EVOs and both of them are similarly responsive doing casual tasks. A good SSD makes a far bigger difference than the CPU, I threw one in an old Vista laptop with Windows 10 on it and it was lovely to use.

Officially, but it'll take 256GB. There were no non-ECC 32GB sticks when it launched, so they never bothered certifying it.

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the gpu is the pro rx580 thing they announced.
add it so itoddlers have to chance

I upgraded from a Q6600 to a 9700k, I know just how much clock speed matters for basic usage.

Using the same SSD for he boot drive.

I think those things don't really matter honestly. When you're paying that much money you're probably rich anyway so you don't care any more about getting something worth its price.

What kind of poor guy tries to save THAT much money for a computer? Unless you were a professional it seems unlikely to me.

The storage is presumably proprietary, how are they going to lock down the RAM? Server style, where it's whitelisted to only take Apple DIMMs?
The RX580 PRO isn't the new GPU, that's the Pro Vega II and the RADEON VII is the closest standalone GPU to that on the market. It's very slightly slower, and has half the memory.

>suggestions?
Pick RAM that actually works. Threadripper/TR4 doesn't have the wiring for registered ECC and only supports UDIMMs.

Don't bother, bro.
iToddlers will buy it anyways.
In fact, I'm sure they're happy about it getting more and more expensive, each generation.
See, they're not buying a computer, they're buying bragging rights to other humans.

>Threadripper/TR4 doesn't have the wiring for registered ECC and only supports UDIMMs.
Threadripper 2 has ECC support.

that GPU is shit tier compared to the one apple has.
>no afterburner card
also crippled for video editing

Threadripper can only do unbuffered ECC, not that is being suggested

If you need powerful modern hardware, why are you buying a Mac?

Wasn't aware of that, thanks. Looks like this build is limited to 128GB then, if you want more than that you'll want to go with an EPYC 7551P instead.
It's the same GPU, except with four less CUs (60 down from 64) and a slightly higher clock speed.
>Afterburner card
That's not in the base model, and no-one has any idea how well that works yet.

You're not feeling the clock speed difference, you're feeling the IPC improvements.

Conveniently, that stalled out around 2012.

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>you're feeling what i'm telling you to feel

yeah, single core at 5ghz, it's all IPC though

Fuck off retard, you're actually retarded and I can't hand hold you the whole way.

Keep pretending a mac mini 2018 wouldn't be an upgrade.

Just go with a Xeon and drop the AMDmeme yo.

>It's the same GPU, except
it isn't, the mac version has 2 vega VII's on a single card with infinity fabric.

also there is no alternative for the afterburner card.

>I don't understand that going from a fucking Core2 Quad to a 9900k is different to upgrading from Ivy to Coffee
You know all those people hanging onto their 2500ks? If you think a little harder you might figure out why.

Wrong CPUs retard.

The Mac mini 2018 uses the desktop 8700.

6 core 3.2Ghz, 4.6Ghz turbo.

You posted a 6 core at 2.2Ghz with a 4.1Ghz turbo

Vastly different.

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Lmao, just because something is usable, doesn't mean it doesn't get BETTER with more clockspeed

Jesus, I really can't keep spoonfeeding THIS fucking much.

The Xeon equivalent of the 7551P is more than three times the price, with less cores, less PCIE lanes and less RAM support. I can't recommend it in good conscience.

>I need to spend a thousand dollars to open my emails slightly faster
Both of you are wrong, it's an 8700B which is a low power variant of the 8700.

The Mac also has the single GPU variant.

And there's no alternative for the accelerator card because we've just managed to escape that hell, which Apple are trying to drag people back into.

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>8700B which is a low power variant of the 8700
It's not a lower power variant

Both have 65TDP, both have identical turbo boosts and base clocks

The difference is the package.

One is LGA 1151, the other is BGA 1440

>>I need to spend a thousand dollars to open my emails slightly faster
Or you know, use it to playback UHD videos, but hey, you can make up whatever use-case you want since you seem to be using it for fuck all anyway

Fucking hell, that's Jewish. I thought it was meant to be a middle ground between laptop chips and a proper desktop, not a desktop CPU soldered to a motherboard for literaly no reason.

Is there a point I'm missing here?

>software decoding
Why?

Looks like a different size package

>8700
>37.5mm x 37.5mm

>8700B
>42mm x 28mm

It's definitely packaged differently, I just don't understand why. It's only being used in SFF PCs, there's no reason they couldn't use a standard 8700.

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Huh...? I was talking about hardware decode.

Do you think the mac mini 2012 can do hardware decoding of UHD video? (pro tip, it can't)

Ivy bridge maxes at 1080p H264, has no H265 support or VP 9 support.

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Direct die cooling?

and where are you going to get support if anything doesn't work right? you gonna take it to pcpartpicker office?

nibba i won't be buying this shit but there's a difference between price for a reason

Again, you'd think they'd just use a flat CPU cooler.

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There are plenty of places that will sell you a PC like this one with a warranty for a small markup.

>plenty of places
Not really, they exist though.

AVAdirect would probably be willing to do something like this, though at that point you're paying nearly as much as a kitted out mac pro.

AVADirect isn't cheap for the service they provide, but if you want high end server parts that you can pick and choose yourself, all being backed by a good warranty and support, they'll offer it.

Yeah, most likely it's going to block unauthorized hardware upgrades.

Wonder if the PCIe expansions will be blocked aswell.

I assume direct die allows further heat dissipation than a standard 8700 with a thermal paste IHS.

you remove the thermal paste, you remove the IHS, and you can make direct contact to the dies and cool more efficiently. which would be a concern in mobile situations.

Don't forget
>eight times as many threads with all mitigations applied

Broadberry in the UK will do a 2990WX with a WX 9100, a 1tb NVME SSD and 128GB of RAM for £7k with three years of onsite NBD warranty. It's pretty reasonable.

If it was mobile I'd agree, but these aren't intended for laptops. I can't even find the fucking thing in anything aside from the Mac Mini, or this article.

anandtech.com/show/12632/intel-core-b-processors-8th-gen-bga-with-65w-tdp