Shills over at Twitter have found the rationale to defend the recent announced prices for the new Mac: >it's not for you, so hating doesn't make sense >It moves the industry forward, so it's good >Hurr Durr hate culture is hip now Here is the thread in question: twitter.com/austinnotduncan/status/1135997403406798848?s=19 I share it here because I find it really interesting, mainly because some people defend this as an incentive for the industry to keep improving
Do you thing the pricing and tech presented by apple yesterday is a good way to move the industry forward, or a disservice because it glorifies tech that is so commonly available today?
Whats with the weird filter that makes it look like pre-rendered CG from a 1992 computer game?
Aiden Gutierrez
I'm mad because apple sets the precedent for all other companies. This will be the new norm in 5 years.
Juan Harris
>400% markup is "improving the industry" no, 400% markup sends a signal to companies that people will pay that much if anything this retards the industry
Jace Lee
What are you taking about
Jaxon Gray
As someone who uses a Mac as one of their home computers... i mean, yeah, the Mac Pro is certainly a professional system that commands that kind of premium. However i feel the price creep of Apple computers is pushing home users like myself away from the macOS platform and onto iOS devices.
The keyboard issues plus the premium for memory is pretty bad on even the MacBook Air. But i don't think we'll see an entry level MacBook again.
Yet the people assembling it are still paid fuckall
Nolan Stewart
desu one of the things Apple have been pretty decent at has been accessibility.
Easton Diaz
In my opinion, pushing the industry forward is something like three new oneplus phone, or the Xiaomi cheap but good stuff An over engineered display stand for $999 is luxury tech to keep investors happy, and apple is a company that denies growing out of glorified tech. Their last straw is privacy. Nobody believes in current apple quality
William Jackson
Neither. There's a Talos hardware which comes for a premium, now that's something unique. Apple promotes its tech to suckers, and that what people are usually against. Sell good hardware and nobody would be against it, not some server dumpster diving tier stuff.
Dominic Martinez
>Nobody believes in current apple quality I do
Connor Green
>defending your corporate overlords charing 1k for a fucking stand Targeting corporations doesn't make it ok to charge 1k for something so low tech as a stand.
Christopher Phillips
I bet your also believe in God then
Zachary Garcia
they should make a proprietary DRM-locked wheelchair
Jeremiah Roberts
kek
Landon Ortiz
>Pushing the industry forward >By putting together a bunch of Chinese shit we didn't even make. Well shit, apparently I'm a fucking genius too!
Brayden Foster
>>It moves the industry forward, so it's good Everything in it that isn't apple proprietary nonsense is last gen.
the mac pro itself can be as expensive as they want it to make and it's within reason, we're all bullying apple because of that other 1000 scam
Gabriel Smith
>>it's not for you, so hating doesn't make sense this is true though, 90% of the retards gawking at the price are gamer faggots who know fuck all about enterprise hardware and think i9s and threadrippers are peak computing
$6,000 is nothing for a workstation, my dream Z8 is like $50,000 minimum
Jack Anderson
I still have my 2,1 Mac Pro - why I would want this? Why anyone would buy this? paid 60$ for it and 65$ recently for a 64GB RAM upgrade and 160$ for the GPU (CAD) I will be a dedicated Steam/Proton and Gamecube emulation machine
presumably because they want something more powerful that is actually supported by modern OS X and software
Luis Jenkins
**tips m'lady** Fedora
Jackson King
How funny. Everyone in this thread has ignored this image completely.
Connor Garcia
I can't wait to ride it in Mario Kart
Benjamin Lee
>the average applel user
Evan Sanchez
Hahahaha I'm crying why does it has tiny tardy wheels
Landon Gray
based
Gavin Rogers
Doing so would require two borderline sacrilegious acts of Jow Forums thoughtcrime:
1. Acknowledging that a new Apple product is not in fact a technical holocaust, but rather is mediocre at worst.
2. Acknowledging that they aren’t really as knowledgeable about technology as they think they are, and nobody cares if their gaming PCs they built all by themselves are a better value for playing Fortnite and watching porn.
Nobody was attacking HP either, the Pro is a fairly standard mid-range workstation in a shitty case.
Adrian Roberts
Technically the image can be interpreted as an attack to HP since it confirms that the Mac Pro in fact is cheaper than the Z4, thus confirming Apple claims. The Mac Pro isn't a tech holocaust. Its pricier than the 5.1 Mac Pro at its launch time tough.
Sebastian Sanchez
It's priced similarly to other workstation computers.
William Scott
It's not a workstation.
Henry Morris
Oh, the goal posting started already.
Jackson Jenkins
I see people praising it because it's MODULAR
I honestly do not understand this...modular? Isn't every PC modular? I can just open mine and put a new card in, or remove one and replace
Are mac users aware normal people have been doing this for decades?
Cameron Jones
but now it's apple approved modular
Ayden Clark
>normal people K. Its praised because Apple finally understood they can't wall all the garden.
Owen Long
The funny thing is, this shit is not really modular as a PC You have to buy customized modules values mpx or some shit like that
Charles Adams
MPX are just normal PCIe cards with extra PCB electrical lines to get power delivery without cables. You can use normal cards instead.
Noah Brown
Funny thing is if they used Zen 3 it would have run cool as fuck on a eypc chip
Kevin Diaz
>HP workstation when at the very least half of the price makes sense >Apple workstation where 20% of the price makes sense
Leo Long
>certified UNIX >ECC ram >highest end processor that was just announced yesterday by intel. why isn't it a workstation? I love to take bait.
Easton Smith
I'm getting one just to play video games. Stay mad poorfags
Julian Cooper
Cope. The HP is more expensive and its using an older processor. You also have to pay for a more beefy PSU that Apple supplies you at the start price already.
Ayden Flores
I guess, but in the context of who the Z4 and Pro are built for, both figures are near equally inconsequential wipes of an ass, and the rate at which workstations have seemingly inflated in price lately is definitely disappointing. Prior to this glorified cheese grater your options were a hotted-up iMac or a trashcan that relied on thunderbolt dongles to re-implement basic functionality professional users had taken for granted on Macs since 1987. The cheese grater has eight standard PCI express slots, one of the few things they actually did right, they finally beat the Power Macintosh 9600... The PSU upgrade is only like $30 extra, though.
The display is unironically not a bad buy, even with the stand, if you're in the market for a $6000 display for some reason. Most people who will buy it could barely tell the difference between it and an uncalibrated gook panel, but whatever.
The new Mac Pro is an okay product at an absolutely comical price, though. It would still be excessively priced even at half of its MSRP.
Aiden Reyes
This coming from someone simultaneously trying to plug an obsolete $8,000 4c/8t space heater whose primary selling point is security through obscurity and a less mainstream sticker on the front of the case.
>2001 UNIX that doesn't care implementing anything POSIX since then >the latest Intlel housefire that needs to be ridiculously underclocked to not need a chiller >abhorrent airflow with ridiculously bad fans >dual AMD housefires The only workstation thing about it it's the ECC RAM
Matthew Hill
>i dont like it >therefore not a workstation.
Isaac Sanchez
You know the POWER9 chips Talos sells are the newest ones, right?
Noah Reed
That's what companies buy. HP workstations are pretty neat machines actually.
Joshua Reyes
I don't get it. Couldn't you take the exact parts that make up the Mac Pro, buy them separately, and build a PC that performs just as well on workstation tasks at 1/5th of the price?
Oliver Edwards
finally a computer to trigger uncomfortable feelings to all my guests with
Like Unix, Linux didn't succeed because it was good.
Asher Ward
The level of classcuckery displayed by the average American retard is truly astounding.
Aaron Mitchell
See
Juan Turner
>bruh it's a workstation just install Homebrew or run all that pre-2008 UNIX software They go head to head with EPYC 7601 in well optimized benchmarks, you seem to be confusing the first Talos boards with the present ones LSB it's deprecated, POSIX it's still the only cross platform standard Still, the 2001 POSIX Applel does it's pretty much useless nowadays, 18 years later
Jayden Young
Meanwhile, Dell will sell you an equivalent workstation (with two WX7100s; looks like that HP and the base Mac Pro each come with only a single card) for $3200. Plus, they'll sell you a top of the line 8k 10 bit display for $3900, which comes with a stand.
Lucas Edwards
>i haven't a use case for a mac workstation >therefore is not a workstation
Ryder Sullivan
>trying this hard to make a completely disabled person look hip&cool
These people are bafoons
Evan Morales
>Support: 1 year limited and you have to wait at the gaybar to get service AAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
This. Dell is the cheapest Workstation provider right now if you want a Windows Workstation. Lenovo doesn't have a parts-by-parts offer in this moment.
Jaxon Reyes
This is the only argument one needs to demolish the "reliability" of apple garbage. If a product is actually good, then its producer will offer great warranty with it. That's all there is to it.
Grayson Price
REMINDER BUYING APPLE 1.0 IS LITERALLY RETARDED TIME AFTER TIME, THEY ALWAYS FUCK UP 1.0
Aiden Cook
>argument >comparing the standard guarantee with the pay extended one I also can pick images to make dell look like a shitty brand.
Nathan Perez
nobody on Jow Forums would waste money on a product not designed for them
Caleb Jackson
The thousand dollar stand reminded me of this image: stupid macfags will buy anything that has the apple logo slapped on it.
It's already included in the price, you idiot. 3 years warranty is standard for dell products. Meanwhile, Apple charges fucking one thousand dollars for a stand and will give you one year warranty on their fancy looking chink crap that cost an arm and a leg.
Jaxon Smith
The base $7,898.99 Talos II direct from their website only ships with two quad-cores. A 22-core sets you back at $2,250 per chip, all to run pretty much nothing, because nobody cares about POWER on desktops.
Get the cock out of your mouth. Post a link, I'd love to see it.
Michael Adams
Yes, PC's have been modular since the early 90s.
Hunter Cruz
Am I the only one that thinks the new Mac Pro looks like a giant cheese grater?
Oh, great. So the Dell now needs to run macOS and would be my prefered system.
Camden Richardson
>apple.com/support/enterprise/ >they do on site Are you telling me that Jow Forums doesn't have idea about the shit they like to talk?
Easton Jackson
>JUST PAY US EVEN MORE GOY >WHAT DO YOU MEAN HOW MUCH WILL IT COST? YOU'RE AN ENTERPRISE ARENT YOU DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT
Josiah Johnson
Copeberg.
Hudson Davis
Incredible, isn't it? Don't worry, they'll move the goalposts eventually. Just like this. Dell also requires an explicit enterprise contract for on-site service.
Andrew Cruz
>dell >3 years enterprise support included in cost of a $950 product
>applel >$6000 toy with shit support >have to pay $1000 extra for real support