>China has vowed to rapidly develop its semiconductor chip industry and gain self-sufficiency in this critical sector. This will have an enormous impact on the US economy and its standing in the world.
>Still, experts say it would take at least a decade for China to close the gap with the U.S. on chip technology.
>While China has made no secret that it wants to develop its own semiconductor industry in the past couple of years, experts said that recent events have given new priority to that drive.
>“This will not be easy, it will be a long journey but I do not underestimate the Chinese ecosystem given the talent that continues to move back into the region to drive more innovation and scale,” IDC’s Morales said.
>China vows Yeah good luck with that. Only way they can do that is by stealing IP from Intel/AMD/Nvidia/Qualcomm/ARM.
Andrew Mitchell
Companies steal from each other all the time. You really think Intel and AMD are 100% separate from each other and create every design and implementation from scratch?
Juan Foster
>using chingchong brand chips w/exclusive panda backdoor technology
>using CIA brand chips w/exclusive NSA backdoor technology
Daniel Turner
>not using old FX chips that lack the backdoor goodness
Carson Cruz
>preferring the communist party over a government you have influence over Imagine being this much of a cuckold.
Ayden Williams
Yea, that will go as well as the last 40 years that they've been trying. So far they've produced one chip that they could build a decent computer out of and the IPC was an absolute joke.
>implying anyone has influence over the communist party Good one comrade.
Dominic Gutierrez
better than oil companies having influence over the republican party
Blake White
Reminder that China successfully competes in the HPC space with internally designed and fabricated custom MIPS cores. The Sunway SW26010 is nothing to scoff at.
>The Sunway SW26010 is nothing to scoff at. It's shit. They built a supercomputer out of it by using twice as many cores.
Nathaniel Russell
Don't they do this with fighter jet tech too? All nations not forced into contracts with overpriced USA military jets use them.
Lucas Bell
Capitalism is responsible for lifting more people out of poverty than any other economic system. Socialism/communism are responsible for more deaths than any other economic system.
William Long
>its shit! They're low clocked power efficient cores, you uneducated spastic. It literally doesn't matter if it had twice the core count of the leading intel Xeon powered system. For a period it managed to be the world's most powerful supercomputer, and was one of the more efficient clusters around.
I hope China BTFOs Intel and AMD. The industry has been stagnating for far too long, maybe this will cause them to get off their asses.
Ian Gutierrez
>closing a 40 tear gap in a decade Only way is if the steal. Wouldn't be surprised that amd partnership with chinkhardware co to make ryzen for China was a way to steal amd proprietary tech
Leo Wright
That not what capital is you brainlet , the correct question is what kind of capital do you have.
Connor Morgan
>It literally doesn't matter if it had twice the core count of the leading intel Xeon powered system. For a period it managed to be the world's most powerful supercomputer You eventually run out of power, dumbass.
Justin White
about tree fidy commie
Owen Green
so you're a salaried worker or some wageslave then? got it. now i can see where your stockholm syndrome comes from
i have 20k in my 401k, 22k in my investment accounts, and $3k in my personal checking account. i dropped out of grad school less than a year ago G-d bless America!
David Nguyen
Apparently AMD planned around that. The information provided to produce the chips isn't sufficient to be able to reverse-engineer them (since they'd risk a lawsuit from Intel if they did that).
>for free No, they paid AMD quite a lot of money. AMD has also produced some semi-custom parts for various Chinese firms. Also China isn't Communist. They are soulless bug people though.
>how much stock do you have and in what company? Multiple. I trade the news. >do you have any actual influence in the world other than the driveway of your shitty urbanite house? I have direct contact with a CEO of a multi-billion dollar company being only a few levels of management below. How much influence do you have?
Bentley Johnson
No you don't
Mason Brooks
are you gonna call him for another rimming session tonight, larper?
Christian Reed
Umad?
David Young
You can be sore about it, it won't make you any less of a chump.
Brandon Evans
Just copy the Intel architecture bro
Hudson Foster
Where on your suited corpse should I stick the bayonet?
The chinks already legally own amd ryzen ip, and via ip.
Jose Taylor
>not going back to phenom II, because you don't know about the spy chip that's in the fx series.
Jordan Flores
Whew lad. This much cope. You're getting absolutely BTFO
Julian Davis
They had access to first gen ryzen. > Via IP Literal garbage. They're 10 years behind the industry at best.
Carson Hernandez
*15 years behind Their top quad core is slower than an E6600.
Joshua James
>at least a decade Yes. If they spend tens of billions of government money every year to purchase and set up fabrication facilities, If they spend billions every year to build teams of skilled and capable researchers, If they leverage their stolen USA information, If nothing ever goes wrong, That's a maybe, at least a decade
The reality is that even with all of those things: Other companies have all of the current top end research and workers, Other companies are already fully established, Other companies will be leading the edge of performance Other companies want to stay alive.
Just as "India will be a superpower by 2020", Nobody is content with stagnation.
Jason Evans
Oh don't fucking lie to me, a good hamburger is delicious and you know it.
Nathan Cox
>access to first gen ryzen They have access to all gen Zen architecture retard. >VIA It was underpowered, but actually a better implementation of x86. What matters is that they legally own the tech. They also legally own different implementations of vliw cores.
>It was underpowered, but actually a better implementation of x86. What matters is that they legally own the tech. They also legally own different implementations of vliw cores. No, it has always been trash. Via's x86 license came from their purchase of Cyrix which was well behind the curve. Additionally Via is a Taiwanese company, not Chinese.
Isaiah Scott
>different Zen It's the same architecture since release
>Via's x86 license came from their purchase of Cyrix which was well behind the curve. It was actually ahead of the curve, so Intel stole the tech, and ended up doing a cross licensing deal after a court case.
Kayden Foster
>Via's x86 license came from their purchase of Cyrix which was well behind the curve. VIA never even used anything from Cyrix beyond that license, their x86 products are all Centaur designs.
Nah, Cyrix was fucking trash by the time VIA picked apart their remains. National Semiconductor mismanaged them into fucking oblivion and even before the buyout they were declining after peaking with the 6x86-PR200/233 which even then was far from "ahead of the curve" - it was just a good value. Some of their designs had faster bus speeds but were hot and unstable as shit, ran their secondary caches slower, had ass floating-point, you could go on.
Adam Price
Chinkshit EPYC will be the new Phenom. For as little as 180 watts you get eight (8) ddr4 channels and 32 core for 64 threads clocked up to 3 ghz.
Xavier Butler
>speculative execution CPU bug
What a joke, that's pretty much everything on the market. How many decades you have to go to find chips without speculative execution?
Thomas Cooper
No, it isn't. Zen+ was a minor iteration but Zen2 was a substantial redesign.
Michael Evans
>Marketingfag sells a product
Ethan Martinez
>moved IO to a separate chip >surely it's the same architecture Does being dumb hurt?
Zachary Watson
>imagine the black market moving from crack and cocaine to bootleg chinese zen and arm.
Brayden Wilson
>Also China isn't Communist Yes they are. It's the same state as the communist state. This is just what they look like after they get settled in. Communism is like a horse a coked out junkie mistook for a unicorn. The unicorn never existed and never will, but there's an ugly fucking horse waiting for you
Benjamin Kelly
>China won't do the same How much do you get paid by and user?
Jace Morgan
Communism is just a label given to meaningless rhetoric. There are no Communist states anywhere, and there never have been, nor will there ever be. No one who attains political power would ever be a true egalitarian. Those with power always seek to keep it consolidated. China is not a Communist country. If they're an adherent to any ideology whatsoever it would be Legalism.
Asher Foster
kek no one is going to buy a shitty Chinese knock off chip based off stolen designs and Chinese backdoors.
I'm going to back this user up. China is really communist. Authoritarian. Socialistic. Ect.
The state constantly messes daily life and heavy-handedly forces their will on the economy.
Charles Lewis
>assuming they literally transferred the whole of their IP to Hygon AMD only gave them enough to be able to produce the chips and make very slight modifications. They aren't stupid.
i mean if we want to get pedantic, they really arent ANYMORE, not since winnie the pooh took over. The moves he's made to restructure china have turned it into more of a Fascist/NatSoc country
Yes that's right, China are the real nazis, they even have the camps!
>substantial redesign Come on now buddy Zen2 is more cache, 256b FPU, probably some more execution ports for better SMT It's on the line with "what I would actually expect from half-size transistors" and not "a huge improvement over the original"
Levi Robinson
Substantial redesign includes removing the IO components and putting them on a separate chip. That's really not a small thing to do when you consider they had to account for the increased latency.
Jaxon Torres
Basically 90% Han, despite there being some nuance to what actually constitutes the Han ethnic group. The country basically is an ethnostate. The government protects its ethnic interests, and pushs back hard against social influences like homosexual propaganda in media, and religious outsiders are prevented from becoming mainstream. The sexes have clearly defined gender roles and trying to eradicate or reverse them would be something you'd get jailed for as a subversive. The State has no interest in actually pursuing the nonsensical dogma of Marx even though they pay tribute to it in name only. Don't expect normie retards to understand any of this though. To everyone with a 90 IQ China= Communism
Juan Perry
and thus MacArthur was right
Jace Williams
They kept a 14nm I/O die for only two reasons >still need to fulfill wafer contracts with GloFo and, >die size, complexity, and circuit coherence; >for multiple chips is exponentially more difficult; >containing the necessary connectivity within single ICs so >"I/O doesn't scale well with die shrinks" Is more of a cover than the best solution
user I love you but please stop following along and instead use your brain to figure out the easy reality.
Asher Flores
That's Zen1 and odds are that they can only fab the chips, not build upon them
Eli Bailey
>imying they're not actively stealing from all of them as we speak Oh wait...
Carter Miller
People have examined them, found almost no changes. Caches appear the same, everything about the core logic itself seems almost unchanged. They probably just added support for their homeland instruction sets. The Chinese have a few proprietary instruction sets for encryption that the government uses on its machines. VIA chips they use have the same. They probably only courted AMD to have the same thing with modern performance.
Hudson Barnes
Did you miss the part about efficiency?
Isaiah Ross
Huawei was never able to catch up to Apple and Qualcomm.
Zachary Rogers
Did you miss the part about them being less efficient because you have to use at least twice as many (negating any individual benefit)?
Anthony Morris
they got stopped by the 5G ban
Ryan Ortiz
Which is why they are actively doing it user
Jordan Torres
Except they aren't. The Kirin chips are a generation behind (and will no longer be produced because they can't license the ARM architecture).
Evan Fisher
>You really think Intel and AMD are 100% separate from each other and create every design and implementation from scratch? Yes because if one of them finds about it they pull a lawsuit
Benjamin Stewart
Do you really think the Kirin 980 is anywhere near as good as a Snapdragon 855 or Exynos 9820?
Brayden Sanchez
That's still covered by the much more efficient smaller cores, you're a retard Cluster efficiency isn't about individual cores, it's about the entire cluster, the thing did pretty well in the Green500 It debuted at fourth place back in November 2016 top500.org/green500/lists/2016/11/ You might argue it's shit because of it's pretty bad HPCG results compared to the old K computer (that's still among the best out there despite being from 2011), but the chinks got a Gordon Bell prize since they could reach near 100% utilization on a practical problem, btfo'ing all the critics and retards like you
Hudson Allen
Summit uses fewer cores, has more than double the performance, and uses less energy.
