Net Neutrality

>without it all urban homes and a majority of rural homes would have gigabit connections right now.
that assumes isp's actually want to do that, which is demonstrably false

All of the issues people bring up around "Net Neutrality" are completely unfounded speculation that would've happened before it was ever implemented in the first place. These companies aren't going to drive away potential customers by doing draconian bullshit (at least moreso than what they do already).

> change my mind
I can't, you have corporate dick in every orifice, including eyes and ears.

you are the stupidest moron

go back to pooing in the streets pajeet

>Implying ""costumers"" have any choice when single ISPs can hold monopolies over entire districts
Ahhh yes, another day, another boot licker. Meanwhile on subpar internet price bills....

>am*ricans will never enjoy this

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Why do burgers hate themselves?

why cant this happen with net neutrality too?
and just charge everyone 5000 dollars for internet?
why cant companies go back to data based instead of unlimited?
charge decreased prices and increase down speed.
and charge a premium for up speed.
companies get charged more for uploading and consumers are happy streaming shit.
also would cut down on pricracy too.

Paradoxically that's the government's fault., in the US at least. They're the ones who worked with a handful of ISPs and essentially established a monopoly for them.

>live in socialist hellhole
>socialists have the foresight to upgrade the telecom infrastructure in the 1990s
>optical fibers everywhere
>gubment sells bandwidth to whoever wants it
>ISPs fight for customers
>cheap as free Internet connections
>Google and Amazon relocate servers from the USA

Net neutrality existed since the Bush administration actually, but in principle and not name. All """Obama""" (actually Tom Wheeler) did was formalize it after a lawsuit made them rewrite FCC regulations.

Turns out when Reps still had some of a spine they realized keeping markets separate was a good idea.

US has faster speeds than most other countries in the world. And that include all flyover states added onto the average.

>said the entitled 'murrican who has never seen this in real life

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ISPs are not receiving money from Netflix, Facebook or Amazon. They are receiving money from customers and taxes
They just want an excuse to squeeze even more money from customers without upgrading their infraestructure.

What's the difference between downloading 3 TB of data from Netflix, a public FTP or PornHub? None. It's the same strain on the infraestructure, which is the entire purpose of Net Neutrality.

But be happy Jow Forumstard. You can keep on paying 200 Mb of speed and receive only 50 Mb. In any other industry that would Mr false advertising, but ISPs have convinced you that it's normal for ISPs because Netflix exists.

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NN was the default since inception, the bill they passed was no more than a means to solidify it. Most of the false-flagging was perpetrated by government officials miscoloring the reception of NN by the smaller ISPs, they were concerned about compliance, but all of the hardware defaults to NN conventions anyways so it was just alarmist jank to poke holes and insinuate it was anti-competitive.

America literally tried that already and the ISPs collectively defrauded the whole country by spending those funds on cell towers

>strain on the infrastructure
That's a meme. Most of the Western world has no data cap and the infrastructure doesn't degrade faster

I dunno where you live but that looks like America to me

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Net neutrality does not matter either way when you have local monopolies by law

This is the best solution to internet service. Have the government build and own the infastructure, then have companies sell service over competing areas. No more of this oligopoly infastructure bullshit.

(AKA PPP, Public-Private-Partnership)

Still haven't gotten one reply that would change my mind, just admit it user's it's the truth.

No, but there is congestion and slowdowns if everyone is maxing out their connections at the same time.

Which is kind of the problem. The average person uses more Internet and for more time than they did 10 or 15 years ago, yet murrican ISPs haven't upgraded their shit accordingly even though they asked the government for money to do so. Now they want to blame customers and Netflix for their shitty speeds.

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>actually Tom Wheeler
Elaborate.

The very fact that you have to show a freak accident shows how much of an ignorant you are.

That's Caracas. All the streets are in this state and rapidly deteriorating. The USA has top-notch roads and public infraestructure, considering the sheer size of the country, and that's thanks to your taxes.

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So are you saying the roads are so well done is because 100% of taxes go towards fixing roads?

Effective, but not in your interest

What the fuck is this image even trying to convey?

i have net neutrality here and i'm pretty happy. well, i'm not american, though.

Why haven't you sent an apology letter to Ajit yet?

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You bootlickers are so retarded it's almost impossible to get anything across to you. It's like you're not even human.

isp boogeyman I think

I would never thank anyone for the (((gift))) of modern infrastructure which provides everyone with a slave-like subsistence of pleasure seeking and hedonism.

Large CDNs like Netflix and Facebook have caches at ISPs to reduce the strain on the infra, saves the ISPs tons of money too.

>american has the nerves to call others bootlickers

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Then there's still no problem with net neutrality.

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With net neutrality companies no matter how much data they used would all pay the same flat rate depending on the type of connection, Without net neutrality ISP's can charge specific companies that use a fuck ton more than others.

An example is that Netflix would pay the same for a T1 (Which obviously they have better) that a small business would pay for. Even though they use exponentially more data and slow down everyone else.

Netflix is actually one of the better companies that basically ignored Net Neutrality and paid ISP's to build Colocation centers for their absurd amount of traffic.

>Caracas
Oh, it's you. How ya doin', buddy?
>The USA has top-notch roads and public infraestructure
This was true perhaps 30 years ago, but in the past year I've been all over the country and I've seen maybe one town that had its shit together. New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Texas, Massachusetts, Maryland, Virginia, DC, Michigan, Ohio, and Illinois are all decaying shitholes. Some states have it worse than others but all of them had clearly given up on maintenance. You can't walk three blocks, anywhere, without tripping over tree roots (or just entire trees) growing out of the fucking sidewalks. Most roads are years overdue for repaving. When road crews get contracts to fix shit, they set up camp and spend the next few months jacking off instead of working. And don't even get me started on mass transit.

And it's still complete and utter bullshit at best or a straight up lie at worst the way it's pictured since traffic isn't metered by paying 5k a month now go have fun, it's metered per TB or another way if you have a special contract with a T1.
Netflix is indeed one of the better companies when it comes to their traffic use.

Why are Americans always doing so bad at everything?
This month I read about how bad the healthcare industry in America is and how Americans need to pay hundreds of dollars for unions just to get fair labor rights.
What do you people even pay taxes for? Clearly it's not so that the government can whip power drunk companies into shape, stop them from abusing their customers.

This stuff too, what's the proposition here? A 3TB data cap for $55 per month? And fast enough that you can actually watch Netflix?
Here in Europe data caps are illegal on home internet, monthly payments start at a minimum of ~$30, and most people get 20Mb/s at least.

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But you stupid yuropoor muh big government is spoopy and scary and don't forget corporations are people now drink that Comcast™ sponsored Kool-Aid™

If the telecoms actually used the tax money destined for the expansion of the grid every home in america would have at least a 50 mbps connection available though fibre and $50 a month with no data caps. But the greedy kikes stole it and are now charging you $100¡ a month for 30 mbps over coax

Here in Oregon it's beyond infuriating. Most of the roads in portland resemble the moon, and instead of fixing what we have they're shutting down entire sections of main roads for up to years (Farmington rd) to expand for the sole purpose of importing Calfags. They also do incredibly shitty jobs at it too. There was one road they shut down the day before memorial day so it was closed the day before, day of (can't work on a holiday lel) and day after, and it was a major through way. When they were done they had made a 7" deep pothole on the road leading to this one that took eight months to repair.

Oh and now they want to toll I5, while having also created a huge fucking bottleneck on it by ending a new lane in the most inappropriate place.

This. My only ISP is comcast and I get raped for okay down, and like 10MBPs up. Uploading literally anything over 1000kb is painful.

The best part is that most Americans are somehow convinced that the government is the great evil, while the government just sits on it's lazy ass and watches as corporations put wagies into cages.

The only reason net neutrality is required in the first place in the US is because of the telecoms cartel and the lack of competition between ISPs there.

but complacency in the face of evil is evil, user.

That's true

All other countries in the world to this as well and lo and behold, the roads are garbage. US roads are good DESPITE the governement paying for them, not because of it.

Yuropoor here
Net neutrality is basically ingrained in our laws and we still have speeds either approaching or already surpassing gigabit

Murica is just shit

I don't think you understand scale.

In a typical Public-Private-Partnership, a government provides funding to a certain percentage, and a private company provides the rest, and typically builds and operates.
The government and people then get fleeced when the corporation buys out the asset for cheap and/or otherwise charges excessive amounts to operate the asset. To top it off, the tax burden for the initial construction is put on future tax payers, making it easier to sell the idea of a PPP to the current ones.
It's a strategy that may be required to get work done that wouldn't be done otherwise, but it's pretty ugly.

>With net neutrality companies no matter how much data they used would all pay the same flat rate depending on the type of connection
Where the fuck does this shit even come from? Was the US version of NN really THIS retarded or it's just retards parroting false information? NN is meant to prevent ISPs from throttling access to specific sites, not whatever shit you faggots added on top of it.

>without it all urban homes and a majority of rural homes would have gigabit connections right now.
No

Thats what ours did, it basically killed ISP's.

And with net neutrality being repealed, the scale suddenly isn't an issue anymore?

I don't think you understand what I'm getting at.

Tom Wheeler was the head of the FCC under Obama, like Ajit Pai is under Trump. He almost dumped net neutrality out of law but changed his mind due to public appeal.

Common knowledge about net neutrality is mostly built on lies perpetuated by the ISP lobby and GOP which have gone unrefuted.

Here's a pdf file drafted by the ISP lobby that instructed GOPlets how to lie through their teeth:

documentcloud.org/documents/3728775-GOP-Member-Toolkit-FCC-Open-Internet-Order-5-2017.html

Now here's a well researched video with the truth about NN:
youtu.be/nqJDW_s93rc

>calls Americans bootlickers
>has a queen

What we need is federalize infrastructure like we did with water. The government already fucks with our data, nothing changes if ISPs start paying the government to use it. Hell it’ll be even better for the consumer, it evens the playing field.

Does the queen wear boots though?

>that pic
God forbid customers utilize the bandwidth that was sold to them by their ISP. It's the fault of the service provider if their infrastructure doesn't support what they're selling.

You do know Mbps isn’t the same as MBps, right? It’s not actually false advertising, just autism.

She does if it rains.

tax cuts? why dont you just let free market fix it?

Yes, it's getting worse. You are accustomed to a higher quality of life and services precisely thanks to taxes.

Is the tax model in the US absurd? Yes. Are a lot of the taxes misused? Also yes. But let's not pretend that things would be better without taxes, or that private companies would do a better job at it.

>there is only England and nothing else in the entirety of Europe
American education at work I see

If you shut down a state to end taxation, it will just be replaced by a different state, either because the people band together and make a new one or because some other state takes over the land and resources that are no longer defended. You're not gonna avoid taxation. The best you can do is to fight inappropriate use of taxes. Go run for office and stop whining to Jow Forums.

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