Want help? >State the budget & CURRENCY >List your uses e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors include purpose & graphics pairing >NO Speccy or "bottleneck checkers"
CPUs >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional). 2400G if you want a CPU which can last into a GPU upgrade >R5 2600/X - Good 60fps+ gaming & multithreaded use >R7 2700/X - If on sale for HEDT or home server usage >R7 3800/X - Best for gaming, launching 7/7 >R9 3900X - Budget HEDT, launching 7/7 >Threadripper - HEDT
>Intel CPUs are now defunct. Even used i7 workstations are no longer worthwhile due to vulnerabilities and performance regression >You may want to wait to buy an X570 board even for a sale price 2600/X, for future upgrades. B550 boards will likely launch in August
RAM >NEVER use only a single stick >8GB - very light use, and/or if you don't mind closing programs regularly >16GB - standard amount. If you have to ask if you need more, you don't >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 2800MHz+ is ideal. Check "more" link for true latency formula
Graphics cards 1080p >RX 570/580 - value. >1660 - Slightly better perf for more demanding games on high/maxed 60fps+ > 1660Ti / Vega56 - higher framerates 1440p (WQHD) >used 1070Ti / Vega - 60-120fps+ in most games on high/maxed >Above Vega offers progressively poorer and poorer value. Wait for the RX 5000 series 2160p (4k) >Wait for better priced GPUs. 2080Ti is only 1.85x the performance for 4x the cost of a $300 GPU, and still only does 30fps in many games.
Other >Consider a larger SSD (better GB/$) instead of small SSD & HDD >M.2 is a form factor, NOT a performance standard >PLAN BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
you literally wont even see it because whatever dumb fuck LEDS you have plastered everywhere will destroy any sense of detail
anyway lets talk vega 56 anyone here flashed it before and is it good for 1440p gaming especially if my monitor is capped at 75hz?
Jace Barnes
590 is weaker than the 1660Ti. It's even like 4% weaker than the 1660 AND uses a lot more power. 590 is only good if you can get it for like
Austin Clark
Threadripper 3000 when ?
Samuel Wood
what model v56 do you have
Wyatt Young
How bad are QLC SSDs for general use truly? Intel's 660p NVME QLC based stuff is dirt cheap. Like $100/TB. I was thinking of grabbing 2x 2TB models and putting them on one of those dual m.2 to PCIe cards. They'd be for game installation only, so they'd be getting read from rather than heavy writes.
Blake Rogers
Red Dragon. I did not get Samsung HBM with it.
There's been rumors that it won't come until Zen3 next year, but will launch early in the year before AM4 Zen3 as Intel will seemingly not have anything competitive with Ryzen 3000 for a while.
The expectation is that Zen3 will have 3-way or 4-way SMT, as there is no indication of increased core counts with Zen3 so far. So Threadripper will have 16c/48t to 32c/96t with new boards and likely octochannel memory. While AM4 Zen3 launching later in the year will have the SMT dropped down to 2-way and be 16c/32t max.
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Nathan Hall
What could I expect from GTS 250? Or maybe some AMD equivalent?
Ayden Bennett
I need a PC build for primarily virtualization, such as running 10 virtual machines simultaneously. I presumably need at least 32 gb ram, help me pick the other parts such as cpu etc, no graphics card is needed.
Keep it inexpensive.
Jayden Sanchez
>What could I expect from GTS 250 similar to the iGPU in the $50 Athlon 200GE. Worse, really, since you could overclock the Vega 3 iGPU better and still use much less power.
Uh do you plan on having VMs sharing a thread, like 10 VMs each using half a thread? Or does each need their own thread? If each needs their own thread, then R5 1600 would be the minimum. I think Microcenter has them for as cheap as $80, plus $30 off boards so you can get a board for like $30-$40.
Anthony Cruz
What CPU would to recommend as an upgrade for this build?
Then I need to build entirely new computer. I just want to have external GPU (preferably very cheap) for my current computer. Pic related. Any suggestion?
I'm technologically impaired and clueless when it comes to these things but is a SSD really that much of an upgrade to justify going from an 1TB HDD to a 256GB SSD and lose all that space?
Nolan Gonzalez
Yes. Why bother having all that fast modern hardware when you have to sit waiting forever while things load from spinning rust disks?
Wyatt Phillips
AMD Nani
Wyatt Peterson
Wait why were people saying Zen2 doesn't support Thunderbolt when some X570 boards have Thunderbolt built in?
Wait a month for independant R5 3600/X benchmarks. But considering you're just using a 1440p@60 monitor, just getting a 2600 would be enough to run that for cheaper. But you might want more of a CPU, like the 3600, in case you upgrade the monitor.
What is your budget? You can make a 200GE build and double your RAM for about $130. It'll be much faster, more secure, and use like 1/5th to 1/10th the electricity. If this is just for browsing the web and shit, over 5-10 years the electricity savings pays for itself, doesn't it?
Yes. HDDs are a bottleneck for many applications and games. Some games like Warframe and Path of Exile you pretty much can't even play without them being on an SSD.
And SSDs are cheap as fuck. First 1TB HDD I bought was when they dropped under 25 cents per GB. SSDs are now down to 8.5-12 cents per GB
Jason Ramirez
Okay, I'll keep that in mind. Thanks for the answers
Brayden Cox
>Prev (Cross-thread) wew, you know you found the shill thread when he links a previous thread from 3 days ago instead of the actual previous thread from yesterday. What kind of autistic moron are you? How much of a pussy ass snowflake do you have to be to be THAT fucking petty? Just link the previous thread you dumb cunt.
Nicholas Cox
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Jace Ortiz
Whats best on a laptop if I want to do light gaming and emulating? A cheap i7 8th gen processor without a dedicated graphics card or a lower Ryzen/intel processor with a budget card?
Wyatt Price
Take a chill pill dude
William Morales
It's a pretty basic concept.
Link the PREVIOUS thread, not your previous shill thread, the thread that came RIGHT before this one, that way people can easily look back and reply to comments from the previous thread without having to search through the archive.
Daniel James
Maybe the OP didn't see it and that's the last they had oopened? It expired a while ago. The thread before last didn't even have link to the previous which was that
Which emulators? If older ones like Dolphin, PS2, then a Ryzen 3750H laptop would be good and cheap. If you need to emulate Cemu at 60fps, you'd want at least a mobile 1660/ti.
Jack Howard
Define 'light'. Emulating gba and sega mastersystem stuff can be done on hardware no more powerful than a mid-tier smartphone. Emulating PCSX2 on a laptop with only intergrated graphics might be a struggle.
Asher Roberts
Probably android emulators like Nox, Memu and the like.
Jose Bennett
>Maybe the OP didn't see it and that's the last they had oopened No he does it on purpose, he's done this multiple times in the last few months.
Austin Foster
How do I become an RGB god?
Colton Gonzalez
Depend what you're planning on using you computer for I guess. Assuming it's for games, probably an 8th gen i7 or wait a bit longer for the new Ryzen chips to come out.
>why do you give a shit about previous thread that much? see The whole point is to be able to continue conversations taking place in the previous thread. As seen here he's replying to a post from the previous thread
In order to facilitate the ease of referring back to the previous thread, linking the ACTUAL previous thread in the OP is the standard procedure.
Linking the previous AMD shill OP thread instead AND continuing to promote his shitty shill-blog site >rentry.co/pcbg-more
He does this every chance he gets to make a new thread, and if he's actually here when the thread is about to hit the bump limit, he'll preemptively make a new thread just to make sure he can post his first.
It's childish and just adding fuel to the shill war fire.
Jackson Phillips
my monitor finally shit the bed after 6-7 years (asus vg248qe) so I'm looking to upgrade. which monitor should i get to last for the next 7 years? looking to spend around $400 but i will go up to $550-600 if its worth it. i'd like to get ips 1440p and gsync/freesync. my graphics card atm is a gtx 970
Grayson Sullivan
What's a good idea of working out the price of graphics card? I have 2 HD 6990's from an old as fuck build, and want to sell them to offset the cost of a Zen2 & Navi/RTX build (depending which is better deal), but have never sold components before, so have zero clues as to how to price shit.
Luke Peterson
1440p 144hz is beyond what your GTX 970 will be able to run comfortably.
Jonathan Smith
>HD 6990 Due to their age, they really arent worth all that much.
$100-150 each.
Anthony Lewis
>$100-150 each. Even less, $50-100.
They're just too old.
Ayden Anderson
Just look up who else is selling the same thing on craigslist, ebay and/or amazon and just sell it at either the same price or slightly under.
Elijah Murphy
i can buy a new graphics card whenever. right now all i play is old school runescape and eso
Asher Cook
will a 2400g bottleneck a vega 56 at 1440p?
Angel Gomez
Euro Bros
Where do you buy your parts from?
I want to build machine to do 3d, houdini specifically. My budget is 8k
Plan is to change gtx970 as soon as cost effective GC for 1440p 144hz are available. Currently on 1080p 60hz screen. Is it Good ? Do you know if new navi GC will be good for 1440p 144hz ?
Evan Price
My GPU temps are trash and I want to get a new case? what should I be looking for in a case? Bottom mounted fans that blast upward? my CPU barely breaks 50c but the GPU can go over 80
Jordan Hughes
what gpu do you have
Joseph Peterson
>Do you know if new navi GC will be good for 1440p 144hz ? No one knows, and no one will know until it's released.
You'd have to be retarded to trust anything before the product is actually released.
Joseph Bailey
it's a gtx1080
Grayson Baker
I know ideally I need to buy new parts but for now I just want to have some GPU for light gaming.
Thomas Cook
>Hi anons, this is what i plan to have : >de.pcpartpicker.com/list/bNq2XP >GC Who says that? Never seen that acronym before. Everyone and their auntie uses GPU. >Currently on 1080p 60hz screen. >Is it Good ? Hard to say. They say 144hz is much smoother (which it is). But I'm perfectly satisfied with 1080p60hz. Your choice really. But it costs alot cause you need high end CPU, GPU and expensive monitor >Do you know if new navi GC will be good for 1440p 144hz ? Navi is the architecture. There will be several cards. The top range should be able too.
Carson Reed
do you have the blower style cooler on it
James Stewart
If that kind user from a couple days ago is here, check pic related. It didn't get anything in the last thread. I feel like I'm almost there.
If you don't care about noise you can force it run faster (and cooler)
80c is fine for a GPU, that's why it doesn't ramp the fan up higher, cause 80c wont cause any issue.
Nolan Sullivan
Yeah i've changed that. It goes to 100% when it gets up there. I would just like it to be cooler. It doesn't level at 80, it goes well over 80. I've even seen it in the 90s once or twice.
Ian Flores
What is your current case and what is your budget for a new case?
Noah Nelson
lots of people were complaining about those running at temps in the 80s, i doubt changing your case will do anything. take the side panel off and point a fan at it and see if it still gets to those temps, if it does changing your case wont really help
Caleb Roberts
Antec 900 is current. Part of the problem is my pc just doesn't fit in the case anymore. The 1080 is so big I have to partially slide out the two front HDD bays which house fans. The air cooler is so big I had to remove the fan on the door in order to close it. Nothing special about the cooler, it's just a regular cooler master one. I am also just sick of looking at this case and want something new. Going to spend like $150
Julian Anderson
ned halp budget: >100zł(pln) for cpu and motherboard now have: >core 2 duo e8400 >phenom x4 9650 >rx 460 2gb usage: >compiling stuff >light gaming(subnautica, terraria)
Colton Martin
I haven't been paying attention, will the R5 3600 be good?
Benjamin Reyes
likely yes, but we don't know for sure how good it'll be until it's actually released.
Anyone who trusts pre-release performance metrics are just fucking stupid. Wait for it's release THEN look for reliable benchmarks.
Cameron Price
Is there a place that I can whore myself out to fuel my tech addiction?
Joseph King
redpill me on noctua case fans considering picking up a couple to go with the noctua dh15S also this is gonna sound gay but I want my pc to be a bit more aesthetic, is the easiest way to do this just to get some sticky LED strips? not going full RGB zoomer but you know
Andrew Ramirez
>I want my pc to be a bit more aesthetic top of the line notcuas will bury that dream
Adam Campbell
So my Vega 56 Pulse arrived and it has freaking coil whine very loud one if you get close to it. Also the frequency is all over the place. How do I even get a stable clock?
>he actually listened the resident AMD salesman you deserved to be cucked
Noah Flores
How's RAM compatiblity on B350 boards nowadays? Is is still about 5 certain models being able to work in 3000mhz or now any major brand will work in at least 2933/3000 mhz?
Aaron Morris
kek I know but i'm hoping LED strips will hide their colours or blind anyone who's looking closely at my PC undervolt retard
Zachary Fisher
Undervolt, install custom cooling, test clockspeeds in benchmarks to pinpoint what you can realistically set them at without any throttling. Welcome to the AMD experience.
Jayden Adams
That's a shit cooler. Get an aftermarket gpu cooler like the morpheus II or a nzxt g12 aio mount.
Luke Reyes
Sorry mate not much more I can tell you. CPU light typically means either faulty or incompatible CPU, but they are very unlikely to be faulty. You said you've already replaced both mobo and CPU?
Benjamin Hill
Will the 3700X be a significant upgrade to a 4690K? Would it also be a bad idea to reuse my GTX 970 if I'm still gaming on 1080p/60hz?
Fairly significant yes, GTX 970 is fine for 1080p60, at least for now.
Lucas Lee
Yes, it's a brand new CPU i7 8800 LGA 1511 socket The mobo is an MSI Z390 with LGA 1511 socket. I don't see how they'd be incompatible
Justin Gomez
Not nearly as bad as other people claim. They can't do large sustained writes, that's for sure, but for general use and gaming, they'l be more than fine. The 2TB 660p's cache goes down to a minimum of 24GB I believe, plenty for games and programs to write to without filling it up quickly. 3D TLC is objectively better, but not as cheap usually. If you need large sustained writes, get something other than the 660p. Otherwise, the 660p will be great.
Sebastian Reed
Brand new Mobo too* Could the case short have damaged the CPU?
Angel Sullivan
Undervolt and slap a Morpheus on it.
Julian Johnson
Hello /pcbg/. To make it short, my server/workstation PC is no longer cutting it, and my current gaming PC is the same as well as slowly dying. Server is >Dual Sandy Xeon 6c12t with 24GB of ECC And my gaming build is >Core2Duo and 8800GTX with 4GB DDR2-800MHz (was 6GB but a DIMM died)
I have a budget of $15,000 I'm willing to spend for a new gaming PC, and server/ workstation. No, not LARP-ing, but I actually make my living off of my work PC, so I can't afford to cheap out. All of this said I've been out of the game for a long while now when it comes to parts. Would it be safe to assume Intel and Nvidia are steal leading the pack in every metric with AMD dragging behind as usual? I.e. Xeon's for work, i5's for play? I just want a general sense of what to look for before adding parts to my cart.
Wattman is trash and forgets settings every other boot, also doesn't allow to set proper fan curves.
Adrian Allen
Do yourself a favor and don't end up like me Rub Buddha's belly, pray for fortune, anything and everything you can do to avoid my shit luck will go a long way. That said, Intel's taken a shit and Nvidia is still shit. So pick your poison and stick with it. Generally speaking you can't go wrong.
What workloads do you do exactly? Blender, video rendering?
Aiden James
This isn't my first rodeo, so no worries. That said, what's wrong with Intel these days? Everyone seems to be freaking out about a security problem. I'm assuming it's nonsense and is able to updated via OS or BIOS flash yeah?
Chase Williams
Every intel CPU as far back as Sandy Bridge has multiple security issues, and each time they release updates to fix them it decreases performance significantly.
Ayden Perez
>safe to assume Intel and Nvidia are still leading the pack not anymore, no >Xeon's for work, i5's for play? i5s are all but dead, unless your doing 1080p gaming at 165hz+ you'll be fine with a 2600/x for gaming. For servers, look into 2990WX, 3rd gen TR or a dual Rome system once those chips are available. it all depends on your workload but Xeons have fewer cores, run hot, and have fewer lanes, all for twice the money
Jackson Bennett
For the average person, yea the intel security shit is mostly just non-sense.
There are some niche workloads that are heavily impacted, but the average user simply wont run into those types of workloads.
The major impact is for virtualization hosts, as without disabling hyper threading you leave your VMs open to reading memory from other VMs without permission.
>decreases performance significantly. Found the shill
If you actually think the average every-day person gaming and shit posting on Jow Forums is impacted SIGNIFICANTLY, you're a retard, or a shill. plain and simple.
Cameron Evans
Not to mention from here on out they want to focus on meme features instead of clock speeds and stability. Also i5 is no longer supported by fucking anything and I had to put ol' reliable down when I got a new MB.
Cooper Roberts
Yeah, I'm a retard who has had an overpriced 4c/4t Intel CPU who has noticed significantly worse performance in several games as well as SSD speed ever since they started all of this (((mitigation))) nonsense. Kill yourself Intcel
Samuel Peterson
>Blender, video editing? Yes and yes. I have an extensive camera setup. Do a lot of photo and video editing in Adobe software. But I also do rendering, encoding, and compiling for my hobbies and side work. Plus the occasional 3D architectural rendering in stuff like CAD software for 3D printing. I want to be able to do multiple things like those mentioned but simultaneously, so VM usage is a must. I used to be able to do all this on my current server, but it seems everything has gotten so heavy lately that I've been running one thing at a time on the metal rather than in it's own VM. What the fuck happened? How did Intel end up like this, I thought they were the GO TO brand. They were back when I got my C2D and eventually Sandy based server. >VM security While my data isn't exactly top secret, I'd rather not have a hole leaking memory in my VMs. That's rather serious Well shit. Okay thanks I'll look at some AMD stuff then... Never thought I'd be saying that. This is some funny backwards world I've seemed to have fallen into
Liam King
>several games what are they and why aren't you posting some actual benchmarks if you can prove it? >SSD speed Ah, so synthetic tests that aren't impacting you at all because you have no idea what sort of loads you actually put on your SSD and just assume the worst case scenario based on synthetic results.
Carter Richardson
>Not my first rodeo It wasn't mine either but so much shit has managed to go wrong in so many awful ways that I'm genuinely considering suicide as a method of PC repair.
Andrew Price
>I'd rather not have a hole leaking memory in my VMs. That's rather serious Are you hosting other VMs for people you don't trust?
If it's all personal VMs, then why the fuck do you care if one VM could POTENTIALLY leak information to another VM?
The concern is if one of the VMs is specifically targeting another VM
This is a concern for hosting providers, not Jow Forumstards running VMs in their basement.
Dominic Cook
I've got a modular PSU. One of the cables has 3 molex connectors. Is it okay to use that one cable to power my HDD, cd-drive and SSD? I remember hearing (and I think this is only in the case of two GPUs because of the power draw). That having too many things connected too one port causes large power draw off of one point of the rail and this can damage it because I haven't balanced the load
>anyone who cares about security is a shill Who is paying you, Intel or Mossad?
Camden Ramirez
>I'd rather not have a hole leaking memory in my VMs. That's rather serious Are you joking or do you not understand what the user is saying...? If they're all YOUR VMs, you don't have to care. The security issue is with multiple VMs all being controlled by 3rd parties, you don't want those 3rd parties to have access to your other customers VMs. A home user running VMs for personal use just doesn't fit this at all, it isn't a concern for you in the slightest.
Grayson Edwards
>Is it okay to use that one cable to power my HDD, cd-drive and SSD? Yes.
>and I think this is only in the case of two GPUs because of the power draw It is indeed. It can be an issue for GPUs, but not for your storage devices, as they don't draw nearly enough power for this to be an issue.
Chase Bell
Anyone pretending these security issues are significant to the home user is just braindead, or a shill.
These are ALL attacks that would have to be enacted locally. So this means someone would already need physical access to the machine, or as mentioned, it can be exploited remotely through a VM, but unless you're hosting VMs for customers, this simply isn't a concern for you.
Lincoln Clark
It's probably fine most peripherals sip power just make sure you get sata to molex adapters that won't catch fire. ie non injection molded connectors
Thomas Gomez
Yes I've read this. So lay down the security flaws for a but then and pretend it doesn't exist. As someone who intends to run multiple VMs at all times, how do the security flaws hurt me otherwise? What about just raw performance of Xeon vs TR? (Or EPYC is AMD server stuff right?) I'm brand blind and will buy what's best for the job, but I'm not going to pay top dollar for garbage just because of it's logo
Jose Allen
>A home user running VMs for personal use just doesn't fit this at all, it isn't a concern for you in the slightest. That is true IF you trust all those VMs. A common use case of VMs is to run software you don't trust and that may end up being malware-loaden, in which case this security issue definitely applies.
