Pinephone

Shame Librem 5 is going slow and shaky these days. I still hold out hope for it and if the project is good in the end I will get one, but the odds of it having that success is getting slimmer and slimmer.
Pinephone looks a bit too underpowered, but then again it’s cheap, and they might be able to pull something off.

fuck off zoomie

I was going to start a new thread but I'll try posting here first.

I've been using a BlackBerry Classic for years because a) I love the Hub b) all upgrade options are botnet shite c) I've had no need to upgrade and d) I tried a KeyONE for a bit and I'm not a fan of Android.

Between work insisting I get some specific 2FA app to use their VPN (that inexplicably needs Android 4.4+) and BB10 support ending at the end of 2019, (c) is no longer true.

I'm thinking I'll a cheap, shitty Android 5.0 phone that I can basically use as a glorified 2FA key and nothing else, but what are my options for an actual day-to-day phone that comes with maximum FREEDOM™? The Neo900 seems dead as fuck so is it basically between this thing and the Librem 5 at this point?

Like Librem 5, they need to A be able to run Android apps in a seamless emulator and B upgrade the core hardware. Even the Librem looks better than this, in CPU and RAM but both of them have a huge fuckup when it comes to wireless network - 802.11N is not fucking acceptable these days. The Linux community should focus on a compatible 802.11ax ( or at least ac) because fucking 150-400mbps isn't fucking enough not to mention things like lack of mimo and huge overhead

>802.11N is not fucking acceptable these days.
This. That’s like OpenBSD-tier awful

>be able to run Android apps in a seamless emulator
Well, I personally don't have the need fro android apps if I have access to proper Linux. But the mainstream userbase probably will want that.

As long as it has a decent camera and open firmware.

>A fully functional PinePhone prototype is expected in August, and after it’s tested Pine64 says the next step would be to begin “production of a pilot batch” of smartphones

like clockwork

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>150-400mbps isn't enough
Are you retarded? 100mbps is excellent.
>able to run Android apps in a seamless emulator
This is not a requirement because most android apps are shit. But Linux got an early version of an android runner earlier this year, named after some fish or whatever. It's basically the same as ChromeOS android support.

You don't need a good camera on a phone. If it can take 4k pictures and scan barcodes properly it's fine.

I'm pretty sure the pinephone uses proprietary drivers but then again, the librem uses proprietary radios so neither are true freedom phones.

>Even the Librem looks better than this
Well duh, the Librem's literally four times as expensive.

Thank you..I'm surprised there is no Linux friendly or open AC or AX chip but if there isn't, then that is what they should focus raising money for first!

There are many little tiny portable Linux PCs out there that can do that, but if you're going to market a phone like Librem or Pine it needs to do more. Sure there are a few who only need baseline Linux tools and apps, but they could use one of those chinkphone or emulator PC device kits.

There are lots of people who like the privacy aspect and openness of Librem or Pine, but have a major use for Android apps. If your job, school , etc ....say you need X app for your phone or you like some other Android app ( maybe even a LineageOS or microg type, something from Fdroid et) you're out of luck. Easy example, my credit union/bank has an Android app that lets me deposit via photo and can transfer easily. Much of this is available online with a browser, which is way more than most banks, but I'd have to be near a scanner in order to deposit etc...it's a lot more tedious.

Even when I had slower internet service years and years ago, WiFi N had major issues even just locally. Try to stream hd content etc. It's an outdated standard both in raw transfer speed and features. A phone type device doesn't have a gig ethernet to fall back on and these days the likely users of Librem / Pine / Linux are more likely than most to be tech adept with highest speed connections in their area up to and including gigabit.

In the past there were all kinds of attempts like Alien Dalvik or whatever but I want to see one seriously performant open source solution , that can work on ARM devices and x64 as well. When that is present and can near seamlessly run most Android apps on Linux (or elsewhere) then I think Linux phones have a real shot

If you live in Sweden, a Linux phone is a non-starter.

ID cards are slowly being phased out and replaced with electronic ID. You simply open an app on your phone, type in a PIN, and you're done. It's used for online banking, filing taxes, submitting government forms, signing for packages, and even medical appointments. Swedish cops can also demand identification if you're suspected of a crime; once plastic ID cards are gone, you can technically go to jail for not having this app.

This app is called BankID. It's proprietary, owned by the banking industry, and only runs on iOS and Android. It also tracks your location every time you run it.

I just wanted to rant about this. It's not like there's a solution.

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Honestly the best thing people working on LinuxForMobile can do is cooperate rather than split into their various bunkers and reinventing the wheel.

I'm getting the pinebook pro for sure & the phone looks great I'm tempted to buy it just to support but I don't really use phones

they're fully compiled. doesn't look like it does.

yep see the youtube, they're very honest on how stuff works

Is the Pinebook Pro 100% foss?

What if you're a conscientious objector of technology

i just want to say liliputing is a solid website
they get news and leaks early and just tell it like it is, no bias or clickbait or shilling

>those thick bezels
Did this phone come out a decade ago?

Maybe it will be the Thinkpad of phones

The Pro version is planned to be FOSS. I don't remember any information about the BIOS.

But it's not 1366x768

You're right fucked without security updates, so it's best you stick with something that would get regular updates for the longest timespan. Stock android.

Are you me? Also interested in a botnet free POS.
>t. second Classic user on this board

protip: if you can convince people you deal with to use bbm enterprise, you can ask them to add your pin as a contact and continue to chat over bbm.

BBM is now dead, breh.

Post the new article bro.

P A N F R O S T soon

BBM enterprise is a subscription-based service where the servers are still owned and operated by blackberry. They're not the same service. Think of the pilipino bbm as a fork.

pine64.org/2019/06/06/june-2019-news-pinephone-pinebook-pro-and-pinetab/

You accidentally forgot to post the newest article! I can't wait for the fresh new Pine. I really really really want the Panfrost drivers to drop soon too. But I can wait, mucho respecto to the hardworking devs!

none of my friends even use BBM. I got on the BBOS train two years ago to avoid Android botnet and app addiction. feels bad, i bet BBM integrated really well into the hub.

Based

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we've tried this like 5 times now, it doesn't work. same reason modular laptops don't work.

As a followup, fuck Purism and the Librem 5. They've only recently started mentioning all of the original software they reskinned into the Librem One, and this is only because people have consistently bitched at them for being complete faggots. Pinephone at $200 is a steal.

it was just nice to not have to use some bloated android app in the VM or to have to rely on email for IM. There wasn't a completed IRC app that I know of either (tincan IRC). BBM was pretty kick ass up until they sold it. Light weight, fast, and the best handling of images and image compression up until then.

Do want.

not caring is cheaper

OMG that website is shit, can't even display correctly on hidpi screens

Even if the Librem shits itself on arrival, at least the upstream changes to GNOME will have some value.
Who knows. Maybe IBM will make Redhat develop a phone.

>thick bezels
Those aren't thick. They look nice to me and I would never accept a notch phone. I hope Pine doesn't fall for the notch meme at any point. A rectangular screen looks a lot better. I would gladly use a phone that looks like the one in the picture, all I'm worried about are the specs. The screen resolution is smaller than normal and there's less memory and so on. I don't want a useless burner phone, I want a high specced alternative for my current phone even if it costs more.

he already is, he uses arch

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Nearly all tilling WMs allow floating windows. Tilling WMs excel at certain workloads, mostly when you need to keep 2-3 windows on focus for a extended period of time.

I cant wait. This should blow those scammers at Purism out of the water.

>proprietary connectors
Dead on arrival

this is the only thing that interests me, but considering moto/lenovo ended up stopped development for new moto mods, what makes you think a tiny company would be able to do squat?

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>other dont fall into the same kind of scam
Anyone dumb enough to fall for crowd sourcing deserves to lose their money.

pogo pin connectors aren't particularly rare or proprietary

I'm excited for the fact that all of the bands have hardware kill switches, along with the microphone.

This is great for linux. Thank you librem5 and pine64.

You dont think the goverment will make their own an ditch banks because banks take tax payer money?

You can do that!

show me a FOSS phone with hardware switches that exists
oh wait there is none
now show me one at that price that exists
o-oh wait..
this is the first of it's kind. It isn't a phone that came out 10 years ago and isn't comparable, because there are no others.

This summer for 150
user the librem5 costs about $600 this is a quarter of that.
Also it is based on their old sbc. It is a test phone like the first pinebook
Those arent thick and a little bezel helps you hold the phone.

this
pine is far better people than librem is.

Will I be able to blue bubble?

pine doesn't snakeoil, they're very open about what works, what doesn't, and the status of those things.
They posted a video like 2 weeks ago about what does & doesn't work and a blog a week ago, those things weren't issues anymore and now a blog yesterday and the shit is pretty updated and looking great.
Honestly I'd take a pinebook RIGHT NOW if they'd sell them. I'm more excited for the ANSI keyboard but I might just get the ISO keyboard and say fuck it
who needs the enter button anyway

What can we expect the battery life to look like?

average, but we can get a big battery pack mod in the future.

What happened to the trannyphone?

No comfy Sailfish posters here?
If you're too retarded to find native apps the new release (3.0.3) comes with Android 8.1 compatibility.

I bet it'll be MediaKek all over again, so...

Bezeless phones are garbage

will pinephone have sailfishOS support?

>sides of headphone jack are even
Say goodbye to your headphones.

> 2019
> apt-get

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nobody is buying a linux phone with the expectation to run android apps, if I wanted to do that I'd buy an android phone

I use tiling to not bother with window splitting, pratically emulating multiple screens

i love the idea of a Linux arm smartphone that will accept a variety of arm Linux distros, but until i can buy one at amazon or walmart then its just vaporware

I'd bought this if it had at least 13MP+5MP rear camera.
Fuck selfie camera btw.

LEL

I'm hyped for the PineBook Pro desu

Do you think the RAM will have options for higher amount? I don't think 4 is enough for me if I'm actually going to use it.

Latest vids point to yes. I'm using it on an XA2 and am honestly surprised by how stable it is - was expecting harmattan level bugginess. Android support is nice but I don't really use it. Biggest disappointment is the browser but it's getting updated and I can use whatever from f-droid until then.

Probably not, just make a swap partition on an NVMe SSD

What kind of cpu are we talking here?
Is it (((safe)))?

Purism also posts videos weekly about the Librem 5. They had to delay it because they're making their own software from scratch and they upgraded the CPU and RAM recently.

Why not to adapt ubuntu/etc for any existed smartphone?

Probably not 100%, but certainly a heck of a lot better in that regard than (((Intel and AMD)))

device and bootloader too locked down

Why not to do it for unlocked bootloader?
Same smartphones that can use AOSP.

What keyboard is this?

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people get 400mbps on 4g? Jesus.

>You don't need a good camera on a phone.
incel.

you mean like the one that android already has? are you fucking retarded or what

> If it can take 4k pictures and sca-
5MP rear and 2MP front cameras
It fucking can't.
It could literally be without cameras at all and it could be more cheap that way.

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Looks like a phone keyboard.

Looks interesting I may have to get one just beacuse its so cheap. Does it have SD card compatibility?

>Bootable Micro SD

Nothing you can say will make me regret preordering the librem 5. This device never would have happened if that crowdfunding campaign had failed.
Besides, of course that phone costs more, all work and development on the pinephone is done entirely with chinese labor, and pine64 isn't nearly as aggressively trying to develop its own operating system for it. The pinephone would be a $1000 device if any western company tried to do all that work.

You can make it so android phones don't send any location data but you have to have root.