Gay syntax

So is Python, but you are not developing those packages, you are using the API exposed in Python.

>100MB base package with muh STD

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>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE PYTHON FOR YOUR PROJECT, Jow Forums SAYS IT'S USED BY NORMALFAGS AND DYNAMIC TYPING IS BAD

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All those things stop mattering when you accomplish your task before you can even get started with your meme C implementation.
But you should really learn Lisp anyway.

>All those things stop mattering when you accomplish your task before you can even get started with your meme C implementation.

Literally this
and this:
Python is literally fine.
>smash out a throwaway script in 25 mins
>use it
>forget about it
>complete task
>next piece of work

some of us are gainfully employed.

based basedjak poster

i am glad Jow Forums seems to grow out of teenage contrarianism

>gay syntax
That's a good thing.
>cuck creator
He isn't vile enough for it to matter. Until he goes full retard like that cuck who got kicked out of Mozilla, it doesn't matter.
>shit performance
Muh numba, muh binary modules
Properly managed Python has better performance than Java and doesn't take billion extra years to develop unlike C/C++.
>normalfag magnet
AKA more support, lots of documentation, libraries actually existing, easy to use package manager with full support etc.
It's not like the language is going to include a mandatory virginity test or facebook support just because normies like it.

You wouldn't have any of those problems if you closed your mouth and breathed through nose instead.

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>that cuck who got kicked out of Mozilla,
Story?

async/await cancer aside, it is almost perfect scripting language, well-researched and polished, much better than fucking ruby or anything else.

You can't deprecate a whole language

>depreciated
Not going to happen any time soon.
There's a new jerk every second who wants to do some bullshit machine learning, and TensorFlow (and Python) is just the thing.

And there's the poorfags at the universities who can't afford Matlab and who for that reason use NumPy and SciPy instead.

I've seen it happening, man.

Python is a prototyping language. you fuck

There are *implementation-only* languages of which C++ is what everyone use to implement serious stuff

Smart people are interfacing C++ or Fortran code with Python and have nice things

An important fuck at Mozilla was found donating to subhuman activist groups.
He got kicked out because no one wanted to associate with such trash.
He made Brave, a browser that no one uses. The most notable thing he has done since he got kicked out of Mozilla was getting filmed licking feet in public.
When alt-right crowd decided to fork Brave for their Dissenter meme, he got mad at them for doing it. Despite being kicked out from Mozilla for shit far more vile than edgy free speech - edgy free speech can sometimes be good.

Overall it's a sad story of an unrepentant hypocrite being served justice.
Randy Pitchford of browsers.

So you basically agree with him, but are angry about it?
>you fuck
It sure helps to show your understanding of the situation at hand when you have to cram in your raging emotions into your post.

Brendan is based. Kys tranny

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I sense autistic resentment.

Brendan left mozilla to become yet another crypto scammer. Shit's weak.
Also there is literally nothing wrong with being gay or trans.

success comes from momentum and python has too much at this point.

the language is painfully terrible with known flaws in its own stdlib, but it will never be truly fixed. maybe in 10-20 years it will go the way of perl, where it's still used but less relevant for new tasks.

You can tell who has and has not spent any time around the "LGBT community" based on the kind of shit they post.
t. consistently banned from muh LGBT safespaces for pointing out that 23 year old women and fictional characters are not "children"

it is, Node.js and Go exist, Python is only for kids dipping their toe in programming waters

>fictional characters are not "children"
It's hilarious when loli/shota pedos keep pretending their shit is OK and totally won't lead to abuse.
Your next post will be
>evil trannies want to ban loli but sexualize real children!

Except spreading AIDS and other STIs

women are children tho...

That's more of a black people thing.

Outes yourself dicksword tranny your emojis don't work here

So when a valid criticism is laid down, notice how the faggot enabler reveals their true racist colors. NICE

They are literally written in C++ with heaps of python-wrapper boilerplate so retards like you who want to "do AI" don't need to actually understand how to program

he's baiting shitters like you, retard.

>gay syntax
>gay SynTAX
>gay STAX
STAXTARDS CONFIRMED BEING GAYS

speak English the correct way, like an American

So you're just baiting. OK, last (You) from me, retard.

>Machine learning and artificial intelligence playground
Yeah python isn't dying anytime soon

the problem with Python being used as a "prototyping language" is that every project does this
>we'll just use python to get a prototype real quick
>let's prototype some more features onto it
>let's bugfix the problems in this prototype
>uh oh, now our project is giant, slow, and written in python, but it werks!
>changing to a better language at this point in development wouldn't be worth the time
>but at least we'll be able to say python is worthwhile, because look at this pile of shit we wrote in python!

The walls are closing in faggot. These new STIs don't have any effective treatment.

Are there any experienced developers in this thread? I am legitimately interested to hear if you can run commercial-grade applications in python.
I know there's insane hate in Jow Forums but what can you do?

Google how many websites run on Django (python framework)

Google runs on Python

Faggot spotted. Gas yourself retard.

The problem with using something else is that while you are developing your fast and elegant project in a non-retarded language, somebody else will shit out the same thing written in Python and put you out of business.

>It's hilarious when loli/shota pedos keep pretending their shit is OK and totally won't lead to abuse.
It won't. There is still, to this day, no empirical evidence of a causal link between viewing loli/shota shit and subsequent sexual offending against children. To get around this the narrative of "cultural harm" has been invented but that too has effectively no empirical backing. Due to this, Japan, the US, the Netherlands, Denmark, Sweden, Italty, etc. have all seen their governments or courts refuse or strike down blanket loli/shota bans as being without any real evidence whatsoever and therefore an unacceptable imposition on people's rights. Even countries like the UK, who carried the ban due to it being a shithole where people have no rights, openly said they could find no real evidence it was harmful and were banning it just because it was really offensive and oh we have a hunch.
One day you will see it all for the bullshit it is user. UK bans loli/shota, repeatedly refuses to ban guro, bestiality and rape drawings. Even loli guro is still legal there despite police complaints at the time the law was being drafted. Other country goes after loli fleshlights, allows Bad Dragon to do its business unhindered. Can you look honestly look me in the eyes and tell me that makes sense? That they aren't just making shit up based on what they feel like at any given time? You think there's some study showing that loli leads to abuse but guro bestiality rape is perfectly fine?

>evil trannies want to ban loli but sexualize real children!
Nah, that's just the culture in general. For a culture that proclaims to hate the sexualization of children, they sure do spend a lot of time arguing over exactly how sexual children are. They literally cannot even see a child's body in its natural state without freaking out because they have been trained to think it is obscene and wrong. It is absolutely hilarious. Almost as hilarious as how most of the world's child pornography sites are hosted in North America and how children in child pornography are disproportionately white, but we still get white Americans bitching to Japan about some cartoons every single year and expecting to be taken seriously.

Commercial grade as "something you can sell and isn't completely worthless"? If so, then yes, Python is a perfectly acceptable general purpose programming language. It has been used to create games, websites, administration tools, etc.

Yes that's exactly right. Commercial grade = something that you can sell that isn't totally worthless. Thanks for the examples. I had no clue.

Called it

It wasn't hard to call. The general hypocrisy on the issue has already been described in detail by people that actually give a shit about children.
ccoso.org/sites/default/files/import/PerverseLawofChildPornography.pdf
scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3304&context=penn_law_review

>speak English the correct way
>like an American
Good one, user.

depreciated by how much

>ruby
>puts "lotion".in_basket

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python self is retarded. I tried to call function inside class recursively from inside it like that:
def foo(self,u):
foo(u)

And i stared in disbelief at error: "function is not defined". You cant call function that is inside class without self, you must write self.foo(u). Why they did it like that

>normie magnet

This is a good thing. Imagine how many jobs you can land, come in and outshine everyone else on the team?

Performance is irrelevant since the early 00s. Millenials and zoomers only care about how fast they can get the code into prod. Too slow? Just spin up more containers.

>>changing to a better language at this point in development wouldn't be worth the time
Things you should never do
t.spolsky

Identify what's slow in python, then optimize / wrap/ interface with something fast.

>can't afford matlab
Just use GNU octave, it's syntax compatible with matlab and is free.

>>>gay syntax
>Its fine. Almost to the point where anyone can understand you're code and that's a good thing. And that's the while point of Python.
>>>cuck creator
>Doesn't matter who or what he is
>>>shit performance
>Correct, but numpy, numba, cython can make everything pretty fast.
>>>normalfag magnet
>I don't care.
>>I wish this garbage language would get depreciated already
>Well why don't you use it productively and make something out of it? Or use a different language to achieve your goal. There are a billion languages out there.
>
Based and

...

>Straight people can't get AIDS or other STIs
Spotted the incel.
By the way you know this is a thread about python programming, not about your frustration to have sex?

>mankind used python to generate the first visible picture of a black hole
>required 5 petabytes of data
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

English is literally written in Latin with heaps of German-wrapper boilerplate so retards like you who want to "write novels'' don't need to actually understand Latin

>he doesn't know

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Keep seething Rust tranny.

This is without question the single most disgusting language in use today. All Python developers should be castrated, shot and then burned.

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its worse than JavaScript, burn it with fire

Why the anger?

Python is an executable pseudocode interface to a big pile of C binaries. That's literally the point. It's fantastic for scripting and an ops language.

actually being a faggot makes you a faggot

because Python is just that bad, it makes me want to kill babies with a razer blades glued all over my penis.

every python programmer i know is a tranny

my colleagues keep pressuring me to use Python for statistical analysis and I am holding my ground solidly with R like any proper statistician would do. I am not a software developer, so I kindly ask you to explain to me what makes Python bad so that I can shut these plebs up.

Once upon a time, Python niche, today everyone and their dog is learning Python. Most never get to the deep stuff though.

How is it bad? You just said you don't like it.

I'm just trolling. Python is pretty solid as a language compared to most. There were some serious ecosystem issues with the Python 2.7 to 3.x transition but that is largely over.

I could gripe about how dumbed down it is compared to Java or Scala, and how that encourages bad coding practices, attracts n00bs, and makes idiots think they are real developers.

However, PHP / JavaScript / Ruby etc.. are all much, much worse.

Professionally speaking, i'd learn some Python. It's just going to be come more and more inescapable as time goes on.

However, there are oceans of n00bs who feel really good about themselves for learning a entry level language ... so ripping on the language on Jow Forums is sure to get a rabble of insecure n00b devs with imposter syndrome ... so keep on troll'n ;)

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It will die in the next AI winter, which isn't very far away from now.

because class functions are members of a class
how do you expect to access a class member without referencing the class

Could you provide a source for this claim?
If it is the depths of your anus you're excused from posting it.

dude, there are still jobs out there for people who program Visual Basic and Action Script. He's clearly retarded or trolling.

You can start by googling Gary Marcus.
That's not what I meant by "dying". It will become another "legacy" language, like LISP, COBOL, or whatever you listed. It won't be completely jobless, but neither it will be the hot shit it is today.

I worked as a Python developer for a year on for a company that developed a SaaS systems monitoring application in a very niche industry. I took the job because I was sick of Java Springshit. Basically their entire tech stack was Python.

It was the most god awful, terrible code base I've ever seen or worked with. I'd never work with Python again willingly, and I even have a bias against Python developers or Python fanbois now that I've moved on, because my fellow developers and the developers who proceeded me were shit.

Basically what said is what happened to this project ~5 years before I joined the company. And it happens all the time. I think that it is theoretically possible to make fine software in Python, but you'd have to have a pretty judicious development team, because the language itself doesn't help you much.

pic related is the sloc I took before I quit. It was a fucking dumpster fire.

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You're presuming a few wrong things. R is shit for non-statistical things and most "R statisticians" are just plebs who memorized a few magical incantations a decade ago.
Sure, numpy, pandas, scipy and matplotlib aren't quite as roboust as their R equivalents (especially ggplot2), but at least Python isn't a dead end for everything else.
I mean it really depends on what your colleagues are actually trying to achieve.

Lisp is far from being legacy. There are both free and nonfree implementations actively developed and released even nowadays.

>R is shit for non-statistical things
thanks man, i though R was a multifunctional language, not something built strictly for statistical analysis. I wouldn't have figured that out knowing that the creator of the language is a statistician himself.

>I mean it really depends on what your colleagues are actually trying to achieve.
statistical analysis, they want me to build models and clean and analyze data with Python instead of R. Even though as you said, R does things way better and it has much better package support when it comes to statistical analysis.

>That's not what I meant by "dying". It will become another "legacy" language, like LISP, COBOL, or whatever you listed. It won't be completely jobless, but neither it will be the hot shit it is today.
THIS

Pyhont is fucking dead and shuld be replaced by russian AI programers in the next 5 years. If you're a python dev you should just KYS now and do the whole world a favor.

Learn a real language faggots.

What is a real language?

Rust

> I wish this garbage language would get depreciated already
Try NIM! It is superior in every way.

Learn JavaScript or PHP if you want to be a web-tard. Learn Scala or R if you want to work with data. Bash will always be better for shell scripts, hell, even Perl is better than Python for that. If you want to write desktop applications Java / C# is superior in every way.

Python is just a cop out language for faggots who don't know what they're doing.

newfag detected

>newfag