Can the US shut down your country's internet?

if you believe that,
ask yourself, where does the state derive its power?

because free people create the state, in order to preserve the rights and freedoms they already had.
prexisting liberties are "natural rights", artificial rights are entitlements (negative liberty).

> Huawei got an exclusive contract to build Russian's sovereign infrastructure

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if somebody cuts out your tongue you can no longer speak and therefore no longer have the "right of free speech". if you believe in human rights go to any shithole in africa and try to exercise them that'll teach ya right quick

based

>liberalism
you do know that what he describes is literally the greek version of democracy right?
they were the ones that did the first version of direct democracy
there is nothign liberal about it this is how it should be in the first place

Imagine believing this drivel. Maybe you should travel to other countries for once user.

greeks were cucks

yeah and what your country gave to the world again?

What he described is a fantasy. Governments are the ones in position of power and grant rights to their citizens, not the other way around. The only time it's the opposite is when the citizenry are organized enough to overthrow the government and ruling elite. The US sucks their dicks on demand so that won't happen anytime soon.

USA CAN DO ANY DAMN THING IT WANTS :^)

> Can the US shut down your country's internet?
no, because we have sea cables connecting to Asia. USA could sever their cables to Australia but the internet will still function. The internet is at a point where if the USA were to disappear out of existence, the internet would still function perfectly like the USA never existed.

Why is it that Americans don't know what liberalism really mean

>GET BANNED BY USA GDP #1, THEN BANNED BY GREATEST ALLY JAPAN GDP #3
>SCRAMBLE TO GET RUSSIA GDP #11 TO SIGN CONTRACT
LMAO NICE DAMAGE CONTROL CHINKS

AXIS OF HUAWEI, WAIT FOR IT

UK AND STRAYA ALSO DUMPING THEM ANGLOSPHERE LOCKSTEP, THE BATTLE LINES ARE BEING DRAWN

a fantasy?
weforum.org/agenda/2017/07/switzerland-direct-democracy-explained/

this is the closest thing TO DATE to what the ancient greeks had
it works quite well and gives the power to the people on a lot of subjects

>uk dumping huawei

kek mei literally btfo her own minister because he leaked that uk will choose huawei

UK IS DUMPING THEIR 4G HUAWEI EQUIPMENT AND WILL NOT END UP GETTING 5G HUAWEI SINCE IT COMPROMISES THEIR TOP FIVE EYES STATUS

USA HAS SPOKEN

>five eyes since 2012
>countless terrorists attacks
>mass shootings
>literally the things they meant to stop still keep happening

yeah totally worth it

>IMPLYING THATS ALL FIVE EYES IS ABOUT

based shad

that is all
sharing info labeled as "national security"
but no matter what happens royalties will be paid to huawei lol since they practicly own most of the 5g patents

ITS A TINY FRACTION OF WHAT THEYD GET IF THEY WON THE CONTRACTS

THE BIG DIFFERENCE IS NOT PUTTING THEIR CHINK BOTNET BOXES INSIDE WESTERN SECURE NETWORKS

NATIONAL SECURITY IS VERY BROAD, UK WILL NOT RISK ITS FIVE EYES

you
dont
get
it
they have patents in usa and eu
therefore if they so wish they can block cisco to oblivion and back
hence why only five eyes and few cucks have banned them

4channel is 18+ faggot

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>CHINA
>TALKING BIG ABOUT PATENTS AND IP
HILARIOUS, YOU THIEVING CHINKS

IN HELL ALL THOSE DOGS WILL COME FOR YOU YANG

It's still the government giving liberties to its citizenry, not the other way around. It's better than most systems, but it's still a top-down approach that protects the interests of the ruling class first and foremost. The people actually holding the power and dictating the terms is still a fantasy outside of small communities.

Fuck off with your "it's either direct democracy about every question or it's fascism" shit. You chose the "elites" every few years, the "elites" can actually achieve something in that time span so you can actually tell if they are good or not.

Direct democracy is absolute cancer that would speed up populism by 500% and questions about healthcare, science and security would be decided by illiterates that have no idea what they are deciding on.

pls no Russia
you're the best seeders

>governments have no rights
commerce clause

if someone cuts out your tongue, you, or people affiliated with you, could retaliate by cutting tounges, or worse.

rights derive from mutually assured destruction, and the desire to escape a "prisoners dillema" in game theory.

note, also, you need not a tongue to speak: writing, gestures, and even blinking of an eye like captain pike, can be communication enough.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence_procedure

tyrannical governments can and often are overthrown, later or sooner.
all governments, monopolies, oligopolies, and tyrannies, consequently, derive from the complicit, implied ASSENT (by inaction, or silence as in the case of the unfortunate sir thomas moore)

there is a moral obligation to resist, if you want to be free

doing what you are told, is cowardice.
it is only a vice, not the actual lack of freedom.
liberty originates in the mind.
he who wishes to be free is already free.

I'm swiss and while we have the power to introduce, change or refuse laws with enough votes and also get some votes delegated from the national legislative to us (which is great), it does still obviously feel like the government is in a position of power. Because it is.

The thing we might have also done better there than others is distributing that power. Seven ministers in a federal council rather than one head of state, somewhat diluted power between the nation and member cantons, and so on.

> Direct democracy is absolute cancer
I'd be willing to go further and do a modern system where you can delegate your vote shares or vote yourself (on a page that displays what exact change to laws or budget or whatever is voted on). But the current one isn't really a big problem either. Yea, we decided a bunch of questions like that by popular vote and the result was no worse IMO than the votes that were handled without.

>Yea, we decided a bunch of questions like that by popular vote and the result was no worse IMO than the votes that were handled without.
That's because half of your population isn't at the minimum wage level with elementary education.

Don't get me wrong. I like the concept of direct democracy, but the requirement for it to work would need to be voter's IQ above 90 and not being a NEET. Even in Switzerland, do you think that a vote to lower minimum wages would pass with popular vote? Because I'm pretty sure it wouldn't in any country.

as an involuntary neet, i think that eliminating "minimum wages" altogether would be very popular in my country.
removing barriers to entry would help more people get employed and build up skills, trades, and a resume

I doubt it. Where I live, if any party proposed it, it would be their end for the next elections. The populists in power passed free train tickets for kids and the elderly, it instantly created massive deficit, but nobody is daring to touch it because it would be their end.

>That's because half of your population isn't at the minimum wage level with elementary education.
Arguably, we were more or less that when we started. And when women got their vote they also still weren't really all that educated. Both didn't result in any particular disasters.

> Even in Switzerland, do you think that a vote to lower minimum wages would pass with popular vote?
WW2 emergency measures were accepted and amounted to lowered minimum wages etc and were accepted. Because there was a good reason for it.

But since then we really had no reason to do anything like that. 2% GDP growth on a developed economy means you'll die in a country that is almost five times richer than the one you were born in. If anything, minimum wages will be too low to live on due to inflation effects. Putting working people into poverty when you really don't have just generally won't fly.

This isn't how reality works, user. Minimum wage didn't just appear out of no-where, it was implemented because THIS IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. What happens is that people do the same shit jobs, they just get paid less.
Besides, cheap labour is an innovation killer.

Direct democracy is the worst idea since communism
And direct democracy came first

Minimum wage exists because there is always someone willing to work for less money than you are.

> free train tickets for kids and the elderly, it instantly created massive deficit
While I don't know why the elderly really need free train tickets that normal adults don't (after all, they had a lifetime of income unlike kids that aren't allowed work), where is the problem with a nation doing this?

You could offer free public transit against taxes and it shouldn't really make anything terribly inefficient. This type of an infrastructure thing is not asking for "innovative business practices", but just steady execution of business as usual.

>where is the problem with a nation doing this?
Elderly using it to have a cup of coffee 200km from their home, because it is free and they have all the time. Elderly using it as side income delivering packages for private companies. Early stats showing 300-500% increase in number of passengers.

Elderly make almost 1/4th of the total voters, so it makes sense why the elderly. I have no problem with kids/students. If you are studying, you shouldn't be working period.

What about direct democracy at local level, representative on higher levels?

>Elderly using it to have a cup of coffee 200km from their home, because it is free and they have all the time.
Why shouldn't they do this though? Maybe it increases costs of operating the train network by 50 to even 100%, but it caps out just fine; there is no way you can get actually very out of control costs or even (on a national level) very severe costs.

Easily feasible. And it significantly improves their lives if they can do this.

> side income delivering packages for private companies
Nobody says you can't charge fees for anything bigger than hand luggage if you want to stop this.

I don't actually know. Maybe? But it'd be illegal to do so, practically an act of war.

It isn't, but I guess if you want to stay in power it is better to claim it is.

leaking again.

>Maybe it increases costs of operating the train network by 50 to even 100%, but it caps out just fine; there is no way you can get actually very out of control costs or even (on a national level) very severe costs.
Maybe not, but it sure as hell caused a situation when paying customers had to stand for an hour in the train because elderly decided it's time to grab a cup of coffee.
>And it significantly improves their lives if they can do this.
And it also increases the debt that they won't have to pay for, put new infrastructure construction to a halt. Broke major hospitals, because elderly started to travel for the most basic medical procedures to bigger cities.
>Nobody says you can't charge fees for anything bigger than hand luggage if you want to stop this.
Great, now the students staying at campuses have to pay and people that already pay have to pay more. Great solution.

>absolute chad philosophy

nobody gives a fuck, or knows anything at all about local politics.
better direct national democracy, and representative local.

China will take a hit, so will the US. The only winner is Germany, which stayed out of the whole shitflinging and bought shit from both parties. Basically, Germany will put China under it's sphere of influence like it did with Eastern Europe, and like it's currently doing with Russia.

if muttmerica goes to war against china, i guarantee you there will be an internal revolution/insurrection against the american govt

not anymore in any country using huawei gears

And in the chaos the matrix is born.

Would be nice if we had magic and dragons too.

You're retarded your whole country is smaller than a single US city.

Still more people than the USA in 1810.

What's your point with the country's size apart from that?

probably

Can we just destroy this thirdworld shithole (USA)?

yes

look at this cute goy

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