How do you justify using this thing as anything more than a text editor? I’m not talking about the editing model...

How do you justify using this thing as anything more than a text editor? I’m not talking about the editing model, but the program itself. i need to install a bunch of plugins and write 100 lines of config to get features that just work out of the box in something like VS Code and don’t feel like a dirty hack. I don’t want to bash vim, it’s just that every time I try to make the switch to it as my daily programming tool I quickly start to question why do I bother when there are alternatives that just work.

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Because it ends up being a lot faster when you get used to it.

I don't use vim because im lazy, but I find myself adding 10+ hotkeys to whatever IDE I'm using anyway, so I might as well have just started with it in the first place.

vim is a meme because gen x'ers only had it. there was no complex ides back then. thus it and emacs just became a standard.

Vim is shit. Vim has neither good features nor is minimal. Literally no point, just use nano or vi. If you want a vim experience on more complex enviroment, use kakoune, emacs with evil, geany with vi emulation... any of these will do the job better.
Vim is bloated as fuck (just the editor is almost as big as emacs i think, and doesn't do jack shit in comparison) and needs even more extensions (written in a shitty language) to be less shitty.

>How do you justify using this thing as anything more than a text editor?
um, it's a text editor

github.com/VSCodeVim/Vim
you win

Fuck off, retard. Nobody said vim is minimal like vi, but it's clearly flexible enough for pretty much anything editing related, as evidenced by the amount of plugins and daily users it has. Kakoune is nice but not different enough to gain a community as big as Vim or Emacs, Emacs+evil is ok but the ecosystem isn't made with vi-like bindings in mind and that shows (tons of different distributions and packages trying to fit together or not, change one keybinding and they all break). I won't even bother explaining why Geany isn't comparable to Vim.

>I need to install a bunch of plugins and write 100 lines of config to get features that work out of the box in something like VS Code

plug#begin()
Plug 'w0rp/ale'
plug#end()

Its language and plugin junkies are a problem, but Vim has great core features in my experience. Lists, navigation history, undo trees, the buffer/window/tab heirarchy, and multiple registers are all awesome besides just the mode system that everyone talks about.

if it makes me write code faster, i use it

IMO it's not worth it to learn vim for actually using it.

Rather, it's useful because you'll learn very efficient commands for editing text which you can use in pretty much every other editor/IDE by simply installing a plugin, thus also avoiding the need to relearn how to do simple shit like selecting multiple lines. As a bonus, you'll also be able to edit efficiently on most Linux servers and even embedded devices.