How come no other company has this problem?

Can you replace the keyboard by ordering one from alliexpress or Amazon and install it yourself on the cheap? Or do they take after apple where you pay through the nose and cannot do it yourself?

>MUH INNOVASHUN

>But their previous keyboards weren't that shit. Style and form has nothing to do with it.
its actually entirely because of style and form. if you looked into what caused the failings you'd know it's entirely from pushing a design well past its limits in the name of style.
and yeah. it's true. nobody pushes like apple do. they regularly get made fun of here for going too far, but they are actually the ones who are usually going too far. the majority of the competition is playing it safe and offering things close to the industry average. a lot of other companies only push once it works out for somebody else first.

On newer ones if you change a part the device locks itself until an Apple store runs a bootable disk on it.

They're not using a meme keyboard that breaks from dust for muh thinness

It doesn't matter because (1) that's not what the quote refers to, so the ease of replacement for the keyboard is kind of irrelevant, and (2) I'd rather just have a reliable keyboard in the first place than spend all my time using, breaking and replacing keyboards.

Telling me to 'look on the bright side' isn't the same as just giving me a better product.

>introduce revolutionary tech
>it's not perfect
Shocking.

Daily reminder that the 2019 MacBook Pro keyboard renders this discussion null because the butterfly mechanism is officially reliable now.
Turns out, the problem wasn't dust. It was heat. The keyboard sits on top of the processor and the rapid heating and cooling caused the silicone membranes to crack and warp, causing defective keys. This is why the keys that went AWOL were always the ones in the upper-left area (particularly the QWERT keys).
But now that Apple has replaced the silicone membranes with nylon membranes, the switches should be a lot less susceptible to rapid temperature changes.

If you're having problems with your MacBook Pro butterfly keyboard, bring it into an Apple Store and they'll replace it with the new and improved mechanism for free, even if your MacBook Pro isn't specifically the early 2019 model.

This isn't a problem anymore.

keys still feel like shit and are overengineered

>keys still feel like shit
Opinion. I like the keys. Larger keycaps + less travel + added stability = easier and faster typing with fewer errors.
>and are overengineered
Lmao like that's an uncommon trait for Apple's products.
Pretty much described everything in their entire catalog since day one with that one.

I asked my gf, she said planned obsolescence.

The old butterfly keyboards worked fine. I'm using one right now. It's shit for typing fast, but it hasn't ever broken.

based and redpilled

Non existant travel is widely considered to be less than ideal by serious typists almost to the point of empirically, the butterfly system has always been a compromise - to imply it is optimal/ideal and not simply "viable" is sort of disingenuous. Nobody who was making a "perfect" laptop that ignored size would use a keyboard like that. It's simply the best keyboard *for a laptop THAT thin*. Which is impressive and nice but it's worth noting that hardly anyone complained about the pre-2016 macs not being *thin* enough.

all laptop keyboards are currently awful

>Non existant travel is widely considered to be less than ideal by serious typists almost to the point of empirically,
Most people who bitch about it never used it exclusively for longer periods of time. It's a very atypical keyboard, that does need using to which is a con I guess, but once you do, it's fucking perfection.

>hardly anyone complained about the pre-2016 macs not being *thin* enough
They were fucking fat by that point. Even current ones are but making them thinner would lower the battery life too much due Intels cancerious chips. ARM Macs could get slightly fatter than usb c port and it'd be great.

>Non existant travel is widely considered to be less than ideal by serious typists almost to the point of empirically,
"Serious typists" (read: RGB-obsessed gaming redditors) don't use laptop keyboards at all, regardless of the laptop. They solely use external mechanical keyboards.

just wait for new model design in 2020 where they magically fix throttling and the keyboard and everyone will again suck tim's cock

What's your explanation?

I know I'm paranoid but I genuinely think they're trying to make people get used to touchscreen keyboards. Once they can be light enough they'll add haptic feedback like the touchpad already has and call it a revolution

These wouldn't work since fingers need SOME travel. There is a huge fucking gap from low to zero.

Because Apple™ is the only company BRAVE enough to try and surpass the limitations of our 3 dimensional realm by trying to make their keyboards entirely 2 dimensional. A little keyboard malfunction here or there can't stand in the way of REVOLUTIONIZING the way we use computers, and any true technology enthusiast will realize that the cost of buying a new Apple™ MacBook™ is the least they can offer to help Apple™ on their path of true INNOVATION.

I think the need for key travel only stems from the possibility of pressing the wrong key because you have no feel for the keyboard. But if they invest in better autocorrect features in a few years it won't be an issue. I'd still hate it though

It'd be pretty tiring for the fingers if you're hitting a hard surface I bet. And the feedback of a trackpad button is quite different from a key press, doubt they could emulate it.

There will be attempt to sell it, no doubt but shit will be probably too inferior to make it work for most people.

Its a completely new switch designed by apple

Are you fucking retarded or just ignorant?

based

Serious typists are people who actually write for a living you mong, and many of them do it on laptops. RGB obsessed ledditors dont even constitute a segment

>They were fucking fat by that point
lmao compared to fucking what? I forgot this board was filled with literal trannies

Dell XPS keyboard is superior. Best Keyboard I have every use.

Compared to other laptops coming out that year and even their own products. Old Air was a lot thinner than 2015 MBP and 12" Macbook came out in 2015. People who buy a laptop tend to want the lightest and thinnest shit possible.

The 2019 MBP its includes in the keyboard replacement program, it still has the problem

All bad choices Apple have made is because of marketing. They rely so heavy on it that they NEED something new to market in their products. Apple's forte is now their achilees heel.

Comparing airs and standard macbooks to mbps is so ridiculous though...mbps are in a whole different category of processor power of course they're going to be at least a little bigger than airs and chromebooks.

Not to mention, a lot of pros in certain industries (photo, music in particular) prefer connectivity (and storage) options and don't enjoy the dongle life. Apple has essentially said to them "no we will have USB-C thick computers and nothing else or else, just fuck off to thinkpad if you don't like it". It's weird seeing Apple shit on huge swaths of their traditional customer base and make up the difference in marketing upselling computers to people who dont even need that much power but just spend too much to get "the latest and greatest". I dont even know that it's a bad business decision it just looks weird, I doubt Jobs would be proud of it.

They shouldn't be if it's possible to shirk them down. As the update showed, when MBP basically became Air format without the wedge. Shame Intel doesn't allow going more portable with their shitty chips.

The same guy who killed the dvd drive and mechanical storage? Or the same guy who pushed weird shit like firewire and thunderbolt?

>Shame Intel doesn't allow going more portable with their shitty chips.
But it isnt really Intels fault, you wont get an ARM to achieve the type of processing necessary for true heavy duty pro workloads, or without running into the same thermal issues the Intel/AMDs already do.

Or maybe the same guy whose autism killed flash?

Thunderbolt and firewire have been insanely useful for certain industries to the point that cant even function without them. DVD drives are a wash and mechanical storage is up for debate (it is kind of bad though).

Maybe you're right but would anybody really like being meme'd on over a thousand dollar monitor stand?

Sony killed DVD and mechanical storage.
Back to your designated shitting street.

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Fucking hiroshimoot. Actual picture I uploaded.

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>The 2019 MBP its includes in the keyboard replacement program
Even though this is totally ambiguous, I take this as a good thing. It could either mean, "We're so confident this one's fixed, if it does break, we'll fix it for free," or, "This one's probably gonna break too so might as well include it in the program." I choose to think it's the former.

>a lot of pros in certain industries (photo, music in particular) prefer connectivity (and storage) options and don't enjoy the dongle life
True that. But it's also true that 4 thunderbolt 3 ports provide much more connectivity (throughoutput) than any laptop with just usb ports, even if it's loaded with 8 of them.

It's a painful transition like any transition, but thunderbolt as a standard and usb c as a port are the right choice.
It's just much faster and more practical, cause you can connect displays, external raid boxes, etc. etc. in the same port, using the same connector. And daisy chaining makes it even more seamless.

Remember, pros were always willing to use more obscure protocols (firewire comes to mind), for faster speed. And thunderbolt bitchslaps usb in that regard, you can edit (video) media stored in an external ssd raid, and it's gonna be faster than even your internal drive.

in my country if you watch press conferences on television, you'll notice that a lot of journalists are typing on thinkpads

t. delusional apple shill

real pros use whatever’s cheap retard

iPad Pro shits on i9 for video editing and at least given by numbers from beta does far better in CS too. No clue about CAD but doubt it's any worse.
Besides that, you generally don't do heavy duty pro workloads on a hardware as limited by TDP as laptops.

Not saying the stuff was bad per se, just very niche and very "I'm doing this my way" type of thing.
The stand seems like a weird fucking move for sure, if they just included it and made the thing 6000 no one would give a shit; so it might be motivated by marketing. Then again, Applel unironically released some $300 picture book...

>doing something first =/= pushing the change
I never said that he did something original but it was ultimately the success of the Air and later the Pro which made people see that they don't need dvd drives on their laptops. A lot like the success of the notch/no headphones jack/usb c pushed other premium brands doing the same.

>lagPad
>can't even open a webpage without lagging
No one cares about your 2kb debunked benchmarks iJeet.

are you even trying anymore?

It was ultimately the success of the VAIO which made copycats at Apple see that they don't need dvd drives on their laptops. A lot like the success of the Essential notch, Pixelbook USB-C pushed Apple to doing the same.

>How come no other company has this problem?
Other companies don't make good laptops.

Here's the problem my man. I love the tb3 on a laptop but having ONLY 4 was OVERKILL. Why not 3 and at least a single standard USB port (that can at least be used with existing hubs)? How many pros are so desperate to saturate 4 tb3s vs the number who are frustrated at the lack of a single USB for all their current gear? You'll say its "transitional" and I get that but they jumped too far too soon, they are one year from a model redesign and usb-c still isnt a standard that has made pre-existing USB obsolete.

What if they throttle the keyboard? like when it senses you are typing to fast

Pros that need actual power don't use macshit anyway. Unironically even gaming laptops are more suitable for professional work than macshit.

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None of the shit you mentioned sold anywhere near Apple numbers. also Pixelbook and 12" MB came around the same time.

He's not wrong when he says they push the boundaries. They always try new shit like a 1000 dollar monitor stand. You have to give them a little for being dumbass enough to do that. Shots retarded, but hey, we have 1000 monitor stands.

let me guess. you're one of the "LG DID IT FIRST CUZ PRADA" guys?

>MY COPYCAT SOLD MORE SO IT'S BETTER
Next, you'll say Windows pushed for all the progress macos has made, but that doesn't fit your delusional narrative. When is macos going to finally get window snapping or hybrid shutdown?

>window snapping
nigger it literally already has that. it just doesn't work the same. instead of dragging the window to either side of the screen, you hold the cursor over the green button and choose a side.

Fire up those photocopies Cupertino. :^)

>better
We're talking about pushing adaption. For that you need sales, not simply having something first.

Obviously early version of Windows did a lot to push progress for other OS's, just like Lagdroid having tons of UI shit that Apple took.

>my time's cheap so I'll use what's cheap not what's fast
t. no pro ever

Cope.

Apple wants the title of having the thinnest laptop for some reason. They are willing to fuck up EVERYTHING else to reach that goal - Thermals were already fucked up beyond repair, enjoy your 800MHZ processor idling at 100 degrees, but another reason Laptops are so thick is because of the Keyboard. So they decided to fuck that up, too.

You may ask "but aren't performance and reliability some of the most important aspects of a "pro" machine", but no, apparently not. The manlet apple fanboys love the deal where $3000 gets them a broken machine, but at least one that's light and has shiny macOS.

I can't understand them. I don't even want to hackintosh anymore because macOS lost nearly everything that used to make it unique in the early 2000s. Sure, unlike Linux distros, it has support from some super expensive proprietary software, but all the previous mac exclusive software has been replaced with FOSS shit where the mac port is insanely buggy because hardly any developer has a mac to test on, effectively making macOS WORSE than most Linux distros.
Add to that the absolutely awful computers apple wants you to spend more than ever on and that try their best to lock you in and you get an ecosystem nobody should want to be part in.

>my time's expensive so I'll use expensive fruit shit not what's fast
t. no pro ever

Nah I agree with you. The first generation always gets shafted with adapters until peripherals catch up and are released with thunderbolt/usb-c (at a reasonable price).

>Pixelbook USB-C pushed Apple to doing the same.

>First USB-C-only MacBook: 2015
>First Pixelbook: 2017

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They are fucking Model M in compared to butterfly bullshit.

>adobeshit
Now try finalcut when even a fanless air can edit/render 4K faster than a far more ""powerfu"" chinkpad.

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Wtf are you even arguing smoothbrain?
Thunderbolt *is* the fastest port available short of fibre channel, on any computer, Mac or not.

>not posting THE video
youtube.com/watch?v=KnapaZYD2cU

How will adobe and windows kids ever recover?

>finalshit
No one cares about your 10% quality output hobby trash video suite that even Apple refuses to use for their own media.

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>Clearly have electrical issue (contact is not reliable, so you have double press, or no press at all), since they use fucking steel contact which rusts, and coated with nickel, which is pretty shit
>LEDS ADD MEMRDANE :DDDDDD EBIN
>njoy yyour kkkeysokes

>Larger keycaps + less travel + added stability = easier and faster typing with fewer errors.
No. Larger keycaps cause problems. Stability is a meme, less travel gives you zero chance to cancel keystroke before it is registered.
>Lmao like that's an uncommon trait for Apple's products.
iPhones - maybe. But macs are so simple Louis Rossman can repair them

I don't care to work at apple as media monkey so why would I care for that?
See actual real world usage and seethe

>assistant editor
Big job indeed.

>final cut
>hardcoded to shit out the lowest quality video possible for MUH SPEED to cater to mactoddlers producing gayporn home movies
Windows has low quality freeware trash equivalents to iMovie Pro as well.

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Macbooks do not have this probl-
-oh wait

OH NO NO NO NO NO
youtube.com/watch?v=kDUksSAIVoo

FCPX is basically Premiere tier. Both are perfectly fine for prosumers and neither are used by the pro's, while Power Director is slightly above Windows Moviemaker, weird comparison.

>shit out the lowest quality video possible
Proofs?

>Larger keycaps cause problems.
>less travel gives you zero chance to cancel keystroke before it is registered.
These are preferences.
>Stability is a meme,
Yeah, we should all hope for less stable keyboards.

>Pro means editing your shitty youtube videos nobody is ever going to watch
When is this meme going to fucking end?

This but unironically.

Finalcut is literally freeware trash for home movies.

>These are preferences.
Thing is, I'm not alone. Literally everybody hates them, and I have tried one, and didn't like them either.
>Yeah, we should all hope for less stable keyboards.
As long as it is not 90's chink keyboard, it is OK.

>freeware trash for home movies.
Wrong, wrong and wrong.
Better luck next time.

>Literally everybody hates them
Autism?