sorry for phoneposting, but what do?
Sorry for phoneposting, but what do?
Ayden Cook
Dylan Smith
At least read the fucking app developers article.
Oliver Clark
gnomecucks will defend this
Cameron Bennett
Learn to read konqifags
Carson Rodriguez
Don't use gnome or GTK
Camden Diaz
see
Gnomefags plan to remove the ability to use themes anyway
Landon Cooper
They mean don't ship their apps with broken theming that makes their software look bad out of the box.
They're not talking about end users applying their own themes.
Kayden Murphy
Adrian Lee
Start by killing yourself.
Jackson Gonzalez
Man, imagine if Google didn't allow every phone manufacturer to break Android. That would be nice
Justin Lopez
>some shitty macfag extension dies
woah what a loss. Also it totally corelates with GTK themes. I don't even use GNOME I use Xfce but oh god konqitards around here really hate gtk
Jaxon Ross
Hunter Cox
Aaron Bailey
Nicholas Green
Aiden Phillips
Why the FUCK is gnome the default DE on every major distro?
It would leave an awful taste in my mouth if it was my first foray with GNU/Linux and not something more traditional like Xfce or Cinnamon.
Jackson Carter
Caleb Perry
Can i have sauce on this?
Andrew Foster
because it's the best from a UX point of view
any other DE is just engineer-designed trash
Levi Hill
Pantheon looks better by default despite following the same HIG as GNOME.
Christian Martin
God damn that's embarrassing.
Dylan Rodriguez
Blake Nelson
You could say they shoot themselves on the foot
Bentley Ross
Carlos!
Eli Wright
>On a platform level, we believe GTK should stop forcing a single stylesheet on all apps by default. Instead of apps having to opt out of this by hardcoding a stylesheet, they should use the platform stylesheet unless they opt in to something else. We realize this is a complicated issue, but assuming every app works with every stylesheet is a bad default.
pretty reasonable position, why are you not fairly representing the GNOME devs' side of the argument in your image?
Gabriel Nguyen
CARLOOOS
Josiah Martin
This is why we ask respectfully that our applications not be themed. They are built and tested for the upstream GNOME stylesheet, icons, and fonts, so that’s what they should look like on peoples’ systems.
Though we could disable theming directly in our apps, we do not want to resort to this. We believe that a technical solution would likely not be effective, because this is not a technical problem.
The problem we’re facing is the expectation that apps can be arbitrarily restyled without manual work, which is and has always been an illusion. Until this perception changes, there is little hope of improving the situation. We’re trying to do our part in raising awareness with this letter.
If you like to tinker with your own system, that’s fine with us. However, if you change things like stylesheets and icons, you should be aware that you’re in unsupported territory. Any issues you encounter should be reported to the theme developer, not the app developer.
On a platform level, we believe GTK should stop forcing a single stylesheet on all apps by default. Instead of apps having to opt out of this by hardcoding a stylesheet, they should use the platform stylesheet unless they opt in to something else. We realize this is a complicated issue, but assuming every app works with every stylesheet is a bad default.
Gabriel Stewart
If you are a distribution who changes the system stylesheet and icons, please reconsider this decision. Changing third-party apps without any QA is reckless, and would be unacceptable on any other platform. Your actions are hurting us app developers a great deal, and are damaging to the entire ecosystem beyond your distribution.
We understand the need for distributions to stand out. However, we urge you to find ways to do this without taking away our agency. We are tired of having to do extra work for setups we never intended to support, just to have that used against us when people tell us the breakage from theming is “not that bad”. You are not doing this to Blender, Atom, Telegram, or other third party apps. Just because our apps use GTK that does not mean we’re ok with them being changed from under us.
Since you are shipping the GNOME platform, we assume you want this ecosystem to be healthy. If you do, we ask that you please stop theming our apps.
Christian Hernandez
We are developers and designers making apps for the GNOME platform. We take pride in our craft and work hard to make sure our applications are a great experience for people.
Unfortunately, all our efforts designing, developing, and testing our apps are made futile by theming in many cases.
GTK Stylesheets can make applications look broken, and even unusable.
Icon Themes can change icon metaphors, leading to interfaces with icons that don’t express what the developer intended.
App Icons are the identity of an app. Changing an app’s icon denies the developer the possibility to control their brand.
Note: These examples are purely illustrative, and not intended to call out individual themes. No hard feelings, theme devs
There are also less direct, second-order consequences, including:
Appstream Screenshots (the screenshots used in GNOME Software or Flathub) are not very useful if they look nothing like the real app does once you install it.
User Help and Documentation are similarly useless if UI elements on your system are different from the ones described in the documentation.
These blog posts explain some of the issues with theming in more detail:
GTK Stylesheets — Restyling apps at scale
App Icons — Linux Themes & Third-Party Icons
Kayden Morales
>assuming every app works with every stylesheet is a bad default.
Yeah no. Any DE other than GNOME3 works well with all themes, and the reason GNOME themes are broken all the time was directly caused by the GNOME devs themselves.
Nolan Morris
Because other DEs manage to be even worse
David Long
>Any DE other than GNOME3 works well with all themes
bullshit, and fuck themes by the way
Nicholas James
I like how they censored everyone who commented on their github critically
Ryan Lee
It's a request, not a demand. That's the beauty of free software - they CAN'T force you to stop.
Google, on the other hand, can strongarm downstream by denying them access to their infrastructure (e.g. Huawei) though I doubt they would for something so small
Robert Watson
Sure thing, FOOTfags.
Kayden Morris
>I am mad that my free software which is made entirely by volunteers (for free) does not do the thing I want because I am too retarded to write the code to make it do what I want it to do so badly by myself.
Andrew Johnson
>which is made entirely by volunteers (for free)
What part of "I am employed by RedHat to develop GNOME" do you not understand? See
Dominic Cook
one (1) guy
Landon Brooks
Jordan Hall
>boomer complains about how he can't use badly designed workflows and UIs that he's used to anymore and also doesn't understand tabs
Angel White
>defending an UI that doesn't let you do what you want just because some narcissistic designer decided that "lol that ugly u dont want that anyway"
Kill yourself.
Hunter Reyes
Desktop icons are like having a button in the toolbar that bricks your computer. Everyone with half a brain avoids it but if you give an old person the ability they'll ruin their machine.
James Ward
>they'll ruin their machine
Camden Myers
What is stopping someone from just installing gnome 2.x and being done with it all? I've thought this for a while now.
Nolan Martin
Yes. Every time I watch my mother minimize three windows and then scan the wasteland that is her desktop for the file she just downloaded I want to shoot the computer and then myself.
Jeremiah Anderson
Just because some people fuck up does not mean that the feature should be taken away from everyone.
GNOME 2 has been dead for like a decade and it's continuation as MATE has been bastardized by linux mint devs.
Sebastian Peterson
Because they aren't angry about being able to use gnome 2, they're angry that people use gnome 3.
Julian Fisher
The feature can only exist in a fucked up state though. Use the dash and the file manager properly and you won't need desktop icons. It goes against the workflow even on Windows/OSX, let alone on Gnome where you aren't supposed to minimize ever.
Oliver Stewart
>Went bankrupt over a stupidly expensive "outreach program" for cis and trans women
>30 participants
Literally get woke go broke.
Charles Gutierrez
fucks sake carlos