Now that the dust has settled, what went wrong?

Nothing.

We're hanging out over here.
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You and I have a very different understanding of the word "forever". Symbian had nothing. App stores and navigation were the default in all phones only after iPhone and Android. Also resistive touchscreens were not comfortable at any point if you didn't have a pen.
>in favor of Windows Phone way too early
What does this mean? Windows Phone was a horrible trainwreck anyway, there never existed a point in the timeline where it would have been the right time for it.

Symbian THEN Windows Phone, but at that point, Nokia had basically sold out to Microsoft already. Symbian being a piece of shit without a proper store of applications is what finally killed their once monopoly. They had somehow a great OS with Maemo and sold millions of N900 and N9 (the latter being not even marketed properly because muh burning platform), but they didn't go their direction because Microsoft would rather kill Nokia and its Linux mobile OS from the inside and let Android be the new monopoly since they could cash in on the patents.

it's chink shit

I unironically have 12,000 shares of NOKIA at 4.05 avg price.

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>Also resistive touchscreens were not comfortable at any point if you didn't have a pen.
But when you had a pen you could easily have 3 times smaller interface thanks to the precision and every device had a slot for pen.

> App stores
Stopped reading there, enjoy your niggerphones.

That's a cool antenna user.

Microsoft killed it from the inside. CEO was ex-ms and against all reason made Nokia Windows phones nobody wanted.

>MeeGo
i still have my n9 laying around. god that phone was awesome

Nokia made mistakes and was slow to adopt new trends like touchscreen and retard-proof UIs.
But MS literally killed in Nokia, everyone who worked there at the time confirms

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Windows phone was a pretty good platform, but due to a mix of factors - windows phone 8 was a complete rewrite meaning it pissed off a lot of devs who's apps were now incompatible with WinMob, and it just somehow never garnered much support from mainstream companies as far as i know it never got an official youtube app or spottily, and a lot of companies were unwilling to spend the money to pay for developers to support a third platform in the mobile space.

MS also had some truly bizarre fuckups too, like WinMob 8.1 didn't have exchange support until very late in it's lifecycle, iPhones and Android phones were more compatible with business grade stuff than MS's own phones.

Which is a pity because windows mobile did some genuinely cool stuff, the whole plugging your phone into a dock and using it as a desktop is a feature that other companies have only just stared catching up on.

I wanna stick my dick in her mouth

Microsoft. It was hilarious when Nokia went Android. I bet their Redmond HQ was crying into their cornflakes, BSOD style.

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jewgle doomed the phone market with androjeet

this fucking guy, corporate takeover, meego died for this

archaic and inefficient leadership structure.

i got one of those, i really love it.
last time i checked, gerda was only working on dual sims phones, is it still?
also i finally got the v16 update like two days ago. it's noticeably faster, i like it.

They could have gone big again with their new launch but they fucked it up again.
- Too focused on the Chinese market and ignoring everyone else, releasing phones months later to other markets.
- Confusing naming scheme, 7, 7 Plus, 7.1, what the fuck does it all mean? Keep it simple like Apple.
- Slow as fuck updates despite running near-stock Android, while having shitty bloat like RAM management apps that kill background applications constantly.
- Shitty build quality all around.
- Locked bootloader despite promises otherwise, there's literally ZERO reason for this to be the case as it only makes a difference to the people who want to tinker and could have got them a slice of that market which is mostly owned by Xiaomi now.
- Overpriced for the specs compared to Chinese phones, which is their primary market.

windows phone would be filled with pajeets anyway

Same as Intel basically.

They rested on their dominant position instead of looking ahead. And then MS gave them the finishing blow.

Symbian OS was shit.

This was their vision in 1996.

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ITT: Anons not realizing what lead to these stupid decisions that ruined the company. It was all in shambles way before Elop and Microsoft. The company was too fragmented and they had poor leadership and awful corporate culture. Ollila wrote a book about it, Impossible Success.

Btw I currently have Nokia 6.1, but I probably would have bought whatever similarly priced Moto G or Samsung, if I wasn't a Finn.

I'm an expert on this topic.

Nokia was resting on its laurels, but so was RIM and Microsoft and everybody else.
Google had Eric Schmidt, then-CEO, on Apple's board of directors. Apple and Google were not competitors, they were working closely. Google had advance knowledge of the iPhone, they even made apps for it ready at launch.

The idea that the iPhone killed Nokia is flat out wrong. Apple captured a tiny amount of marketshare. It's as wrong as the idea that Apple benefits from the Huawei ban. People are buying Samsung instead. There is no overlap in these markets.

Google killed Nokia when they cloned the iPhone for their Android OS. Google had internal knowledge of what Apple was doing long before Nokia, Microsoft and RIM did. They copied it faster than they ever could.
By the time Nokia released the first touch screen phones in 2009 (the Nokia N97) it was a poorly made attempt with unusable software and laggy non-GPU accelerated UI. Meanwhile Google was already about to release the Nexus One and other companies were building proper phones on Android (Moto Droid, Galaxy S1 etc) to be released in the coming months.

So what killed Nokia? Jewish tricks.
Eric Schmidt killed Nokia by using underhanded tactics.

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Symbian s60v3 was great. You had a huge development community, all phones pre-rooted, messengers for every service at the time, multiple non-WAP browsers, multitasking, could change file associations to open pdfs and gba roms and shit from file managers, all codecs in use at the time, DS games were ported over, custom program managers and all kinds of crap existed. The problem was that OS updates weren't backwards compatible and remaining developers mostly stayed on s60 rather than releasing completely rewritten apps for each update that didn't catch on. No-one I knew would even touch new Symbian if it didn't say s60v3 compatible in fear of no supporr. The new versions also lacked j2me as a fallback so you couldnt even use eBuddy for MSN or that one java file manager at that point.

How were they unprepared, exactly? Symbian had the largest market share in the world. What they did wrong was taking a chance on Windows Phone while ALSO stopping active development of Symbian. Had they continued and made a really good Symbian version for touch screen devices that gave modern features everyone wanted, had app support for popular shit like Facebook, etc AND had a level of backwards compatibility with previous Symbian versions so that users could seamlessly migrate from a device like the e71 to the newer device, keeping all of their data and settings that overlap between devices, Nokia would've had the perfect fallback when Windows Phone shit the bed. People fucking loved the shit out of Symbian. Outside of the US it fucking trounced Palm, RIM, and all of the WinMo devices, and for a while even held its own against iOS until Symbian couldn't compete anymore in terms of features for the average consumer and it quickly became like blackberry devices were in the US: business devices that the average normie 20-something wouldn't be caught dead with.

They tried with pic related, but with the screen not having touch input and the OS being Symbian S60 it was pretty clear that the 6790 was Nokia's death throes.

And forgot pic

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DISREGARD, I SUCK COCKS
Quoted the wrong fucking post. Meant

By the time Nokia jumped on the Windows Phone platform they were already dead

They invented smartphones you fucking retard.

They still accounted for almost a quarter of all devices sold worldwide in 2011 when they dropped their first Windows Phone, my dude. And when they started developing it in early 2010 they were above 40%. Nokia wasn't "dead" until first quarter 2012 when they weren't even making double digits anymore.

Not a Finn but bought 5.1 for my mom because it's not nasty plastic shit like other cheap phones. Now even her coworkers with iPhone X cream on about the aluminium.

to be fair, at the time it really didn't look like google was going to capture as much market share as they did so quickly. android fucking sucked until 2013. the entire honeycomb fiasco and four straight years of gingerbread reskins definitely made people think that Blackberry, windows phone and WebOs might have been able to steal some market share. but then android 4 fucking curb stomped those aspirations into the dirt

in terms of actual design nearly everybody else did better than google but the nexus line got nerds like me to hop on board and mess around with custom firmware which probably would have saved the other companies if their OS was as extensible and modifiable as android was at the time

No. They really didn't. That was IBM in 1992. However, Nokia was pretty much the undisputed King of smartphones until the iPhone.

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that was how the market changed, friend. it is unfortunate but it is also the reason blackberry is now a shallow husk of its former self

>Windows phone was a pretty good platform
Imagine being this retarded.

they wanted to put a GUN in a PHONE?

windows phone was shit because metro was a fundamentally broken interface paradigm that wasn't capable of providing an interface for 90% of the use cases that people used their smartphones for. the reason there weren't any apps was because it was pretty much impossible to make apps that worked as well as their android and ios counterparts and whats the point of spending your dev time on a painfully inferior app for an OS that barely has 5% market share

>implying that wouldn't instantly gain them 30% market share in Burgerstan

>the first phone wasn't multi-touch

jesus christ i know these buzzfeed infographics are just made by people skimming wikipedia but can you at least pretend to understand the thing you're attempting to inform other people on?

I think you've got some good points. Having a too broad portfolio of phones instead of just a few models per year really did a number on Nokia. Other reasons that I can think from the top of my head:

- Nokia was really struggling with its segmentation. It wasn't as good in terms of productivity as Blackberry, it wasn't as good in Internet browsing and music as Apple's iPhone, it wasn't the media's favourite gadget company like Palm Pre. I think Nokia tried to fight all these companies on all fronts and started churning out phones with different emphases but couldn't keep the quality high enough.
- As eloquently phrased it, Symbian wasn't that easy to develop on. Sure, they had acquired Qt SDK platform to make things easier but I guess it was too late for that as developers had already became locked in with iOS and other platforms.
- Nokia's app store Ovi was never up to par, it was always shit.
- Long period of patent lawsuits with Qualcomm, which probably made it harder to make cutting edge Phones

Also when it comes to the bigger picture, the mobile phone industry became a platform economy quite fast. Nokia didn't have the muscles to develop their own platform like Apple and Google did and thus it made sense to jump to the same boat with another American tech giant, Microsoft. At the time I guess it made sense as Windows Mobile was probably a lot easier for developers than Symbian, but now we know that supporting apps for 3 competing mobile platforms is too much for most developers and one is always going to get neglected there.

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Yea, they feel quite solid to handle compared to Moto G and the tint on the edges looks nice. Apparently there's an aluminium plate inside to keep the phone rigid. The exterior aluminium is quite slippery though.

For such an "expert", you're pretty fucking dumb. Android sucked shit for a LONG time ("long time" relative to the mobility marketplace) and despite the N97 being a bit laggy, it was loads smoother and snappier than any Android device on the market at its time of release. Compared to the Nexus One, Samsung Galaxy S1, Moto Droid AND Droid 2 (both were released during the N97's lifespan) the N97 was incredibly snappy. The only devices at the time that I would say were as fast or faster (in terms of user experience not specs) were the Samsung Jack, Blackberry Bold 9650, iPhone 3GS and HTC EVO 4G. And only one of those is an Android device.

Source: Sales Rep from 2001-2003, Store Manager 2003-2004, District Manager 2004-2005, Regional Manager 2005, Regional Accounts Executive 2006-2011 focusing mostly on meeting with OEM execs to preview and test upcoming devices to prepare a report on which devices I feel would sell best in my market based on things such as income, adoption of technologies, churn, etc for a purchasing advisory board that makes the final decision on which devices will be carried based on the reports for each region and its respective markets.... For one of the 4 largest US mobility providers (cell phone carrier)

Underage

>Doesn't have X feature so it doesn't count
I didn't have a car with digital readouts/dash instrumentation and multi zone climate control until my 1990 Cadillac El Dorado. Cadillac obviously invented the car.

Nigga that's a camcorder, not a gun. z00mer pls

How backwards compatible were the new Symbian phones? The latest version X-Plore officially supported was s60v5, vBag s60v3, Jukebox v3, Opera some version of s60 around 2006-7. Could any of this run on the Symbian^X series in a compatibility mode or something?

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They were on quite steep downward shift at the time. They made huge layoffs. Jump to Microsoft was a last ditch attempt to save the company.

WAP was aesthetic af

Microsoft

>despite the N97 being a bit laggy, it was loads smoother and snappier than any Android device on the market at its time of release. Compared to the Nexus One, Samsung Galaxy S1, Moto Droid AND Droid 2 (both were released during the N97's lifespan) the N97 was incredibly snappy.

This is unbelievably false.
youtube.com/watch?v=vJpEuMidcSU

I actually owned a Nokia N97. I had Symbian smartphones from the 6600 in 2003 all the way to the N97. I blacklisted Nokia after that and swore to never buy a Nokia product ever again.

Their phones were too good > they didn't break as much > they didn't sell as much as a result. This is capitalism for you.

Stagnation is more than anything, they didn't see any reason to improve Symbian, they were on the top of the world, when MeeGo came out it was already too late.
They had technology for multitouch, accelerometes and what nots but were too afraid to introduce them into the market for no apparent reason while Apple and Android phones kept on pushing more and more features and suffocating Nokia in the process.

Microsoft like usual.

Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers.

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Repent zoomer.

Nokia cow is more like an hydra with multiple heades besides the consumer phone market.

>Symbian was getting old, iPhone and Android came that had more features,
I could install any program (yes, programs, not fagapps) in 2003, from MP3 players to handheld emulators while the iPhone at launch couldn't even multitask.

Nice try but Nokia is private company so goverment has nothing to do with it faggot

Nokia went Android not out of spite but because their agreement with MS had expired retard

Thank our orange overlord for the Huawei ban. Nokia 5G will rule the world once again with 5G!

That's not what he said

The Finnish government thought Nokia would be around forever to continue propping up the country's economy

>I bet their Redmond HQ was crying into their cornflakes
Maybe the mobile division, but the direction did not. Do you know that until 2018, Microsoft was paid royalties for every Android phone sold?
howtogeek.com/183766/why-microsoft-makes-5-to-15-from-every-android-device-sold
That's about 3-4 billions of dollars a year they made.

>see words written in Finnish
>automatically assume it's a meme, can't take it seriously
Spurdo sparde

Probably but he explains that before rise of the Nokia we had even more socialist goberment and praticly 0% unemployment and highest living standards in the World. Now with EU and free market capitalism we have 10-15% unemployment and practicly everything going to shit?

He can't because he is an faggot complaining about muh socialism in Nokia thread

Taskuterminaali :DD?

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sounds fun

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> da joooooos
You're expert on my nuts.

Fuck your market, nigger. Did you even read what you're answering to?
It took forever for Android to catch up to Symbian.
> muh centralized dumpster for apps
nigger

The world moved onto smartphones, and they started making them, but Symbian was shit, Windows Phone failed, and they never did Android, so that's that.

But I'm using Android Nokia right now though.

This. Elop was a Microsoft man from the beginning.

All Elop did was ease the downward spiral. Ollila had already fucked it all up and Elop was chosen to salvage what was left.

T. A lot of the teachers in our universities and my coworkers are ex-nokia.

They never should have let Microsoft take over. One of the worst economic strategy of the decade. Perhaps the executive benefited from this in one way or in another, but the employees got severely cucked.

Microsoft

Why didn't they choose Android instead of Windows phone?

Because Microsoft was already controlling Nokia when Elop was in charge and they tried to make themselves a place in the mobile market. It obviously failed, but at least they killed Meego in the process.

pocket terminal

this. android 2 and 3 were fucking garbage, it only got better because of huge resources invested by google and that by that time nokia was dead in the water

I like my 8.1.

hear hear
Both Android and iPhone STILL can't multitask. Not like the N9 where I could be sure that any webpage or app I had loaded was not flushed out of memory by the time I got back.

Nokia Oy came out golden.
>Got rid of the dying featurephone division
>Got rid of the Symbian standing army that was stopping MeeGo going forward
>Didn't have to fight Apple and Google
>Got a SHITLOAD of money from Microsoft and bought Alcatel-Lucent with it
>Then got the Nokia name back and subcontracted chinks to build their phones, just like Apple.
Perfect stategy for the mothership. It's just that we've been fucked with Android because of it.

Arrogance and entrenched interests prevented them from recognizing and reacting to the shift to smartphones. It's sad, but pretty normal for long time market leaders.

Yuro tech.

They just suck at tech.

You wanna know what REALLY happened? Boomers were in charge of the products and they were financially incentivized to play it safe. Nokia had 'modern' smart phones in the labs before Apple came out with theirs but they never rolled them out because the boomers thought they'd take a hit on their bonuses.

Turns out the boomers middle managers who thought they were securing the payments for their second houses brought the whole company down.

There were other factors at play, but Nokia primarily rotted from the inside out. Ask anyone who worked there in the late 90's and early 2000's, they'll tell you the company culture became toxic, and not as in #MeToo way, but the people became arrogant. The Nokia people actually developed a reputation among their partners, and it wasn't a good one.

t. Finfag engineer

>there will never ever be a phone like Nokia N9

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this

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Lack of a somewhat accessible, unified software platform.

Boomer genocide when?