/pcbg/ - PC Building General

am I a retard for planning to buy a B450 board to go along with a zen2?

the 5** boards are going to be expensive as fuck

Should I go for 4k instead of 144hz if I'm poorfag who generally upgrades GPU once in 5-7 years and doesn't play shooters or rythm games? I mean, I can still lower resolution in games to 1080p whenever I want while still having all the advantages of 4k outside of vidya, such as fonts and detailed thumbnails.

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Just remembered ryzen has no iGPU, how am I supposed to feed my host machine while VM uses GPU lol

I personally found small 27-32" 4k monitors to be more annoying than useful.

The increased pixel density simply wasn't noticeable at my viewing distance, I guess if I sat SUPER close it would be nice, but I don't, I have a large desk with plenty of room.

Started at 27" 4k, traded it in for a 32" 4k, and finally returned that and got a 43" 4k and i've been using that for over a year now.

That being said, I do have a 27" 1440p 144hz secondary panel for fast paced gaming.

You'd need another GPU, one for the host, the more powerful one passed to the VM.

Yeah I know. I wish old old simpler GPUs where cheap where I live.

No, I'm using a b450m board for ryzen 2, just don't cheap out, we don't know how well they handle thermals yet.

seems like going with a 9600k is a better buy compared to using a 8700...

cheaper, better single thread performance, still more than 4 cores...

the only downside is the lack of pcie 4 support, but I don't imagine a v64 is going to be crippled by that

>reasonable
They've already been shown to have better single threaded perf

8 cores with iGPU should be coming eventually. But currently, 2400G is the highest end you can get with an iGPU.

Neither are a good buy in 2019.

why does it take so much to clone my hdd to a new ssd lol
23MB/s here
is this speed normal? isn't it supposed to be like 100MB/s ? sata 2 btw

If I'm building a new PC for gaming, I'm just going to have to install windows 10 won't I?

>They've already been shown to have better single threaded perf
shown by whom?

Don't believe AMD's own performance metrics, same with intel, and nvidia.

the HDD is obviously your bottleneck, it simply can't read data that fast.

It's not some synthetic test file that it can do in one big chunk, it's reading tons of system files, game files, whatever else you've got. So it's gonna be fairly slow depending on the HDD specs.

friendly reminder that sunny cove is about to kill ryzen soon

Technically I think a few motherboard vendors have released drivers for Windows 7 for AM4 boards, but why would you install Windows 7 when support ends for it in January? Also there are certain improvements to Windows 10 for newer hardware that were never pushed to Windows 7.

the entire windows display driver manager has undergone a significant upgrade.
WDDM 2.0+ is a much needed upgrade.

You're telling me not to believe it? Why not? They've always been accurate in the past.

Go shitpost about $50,000 Xeons elsewhere.

you could unironically try linux with steam+proton (or the few other make it easy things)
protondb.com can give you insight about proton support

Holy shit why does 7/7 feel so far away someone please put me out of my misery already

And why do you care? Intel is better anyway.

you could be gaeming at 1440p75hz
you sure of that user? you could consider a rtx card, a 2070 would do this, and your cpu is good enough for it

tbqh ultra wide is your own thing
its not TN by the looks of it, has 144hz and huge resolution so its more like can you reach FPS greater that 75? if not, it was a bad purchase

b550 is only coming next year according to rumors
id say you should consider a x470

buy a used 1400g on a fully kitted out x470 with 3200mhz memory
after 7/7 get ye 3950x with 5700xt and shit.

>They've always been accurate in the past
...
>he doesn't remember bulldozer
>he doesn't remember piledriver

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Anounce when?

until intel addresses the mds shit, id really advise to stay out of it

Bulldozer and Piledriver benchmarks were accurate and verifiable.

People believed they weren't and that it'd be better.

You're a lying, history revisionist, retarded troll.

Thanks, I'll think I'll look into this.

Hey I just came home. My 2200G is on the lowest bootable voltage (vcore topped at 1,236v on hwmonitor) AND it did reach the boost clock (clock is 3.5, turbo is 3.7). I left P95 running all day to check for stability and temperature limits.
Is it all good then? Do I not need to raise voltage by a tiny bit?

Nah, you're fine.

while you're looking into that I'll throw the "other make it easy things" at you
>lutris
community-driven scripts/installers for games intended to be run and play
>play on linux
similar to the above but I haven't heard of it much these days

And for the big one, GPU passthrough to a VM.
For the ultimate tinfoilers and linux lovers you can run Windows in a virtual machine and passthrough a dedicated GPU with little to no performance loss.
It's a relative bitch to set up (but it's become easier and there are guides aplenty), but it is the last line of defense for gaming on linux should all else fail.
Most common setups of this use two GPUs (a burner for the linux host including intel igpus and the gaming card handed to windows) although a single GPU setup is possible by forfeiting the linux desktop environment.

Do i try to push it to 3.6ghz at this voltage now?

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Mine PC :)

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do they have intel computers in russi?a

>AMD has radeon 7 beating 2080
>in reality it's 9% worse
keking at the retards believing amd's e3 benchmarks

Who? We have better community for hardware.

Get a GT 710 or something.

Why are we all waiting for Ryzen 3000? Is it going to be worth the wait?

no one is waiting. It's just stockholders that larp and create fake hype.

so these new AMD cpus worth upgrading from my current i7-4790k? I think its slightly holding back my 2080. It just doesn't seem to get me the fps i thought it would. Running a 144hz 1080p monitor.

>Why are we all waiting for Ryzen 3000?
Because it looks significantly better as well as significantly better value.
>Is it going to be worth the wait?
Only time will tell but all indications are yes.

>tfw b350
it hurts bros

Were you thinking of a particular model, or performance or price bracket?

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I'm waiting, but that's only because I'm finally getting a new PC to replace the potato after ~10 years. So might as well wait a bit more for these new CPUs
Sitting on a Q8300

either the 3700, 3800, or 3900. I guess i gotta wait for benchmarks to be sure. Although i cant imagine any of them being worse than my current i7 since its like 6 years old now.

They made 7nm cpus but they are so bad even intels10nm will beat them to death.

If you've got a B450 or X470 motherboard just enable PBO and leave it at stock settings. It'll automatically push to whatever the cores can handle without having to manually tweak voltages and such, and typically it's possible to get temporary boosts on 1-2 cores that are higher than what would be achievable with a manual overclock.

If you're going to manually OC though, it's all about testing. No one can say exactly what voltage you will need because every chip is different. See if it boots, run a test like Prime95 on it, if it makes it through the test it should be stable.

No one knows anything about 10nm and it won't release on desktop for over a year. Go shill somewhere else.

You were shilling 7nm for over a year tho

i still havent gone to the igpu tweaks. what software do you recommend to monitor it? i ocd it on bios but gpu-z is reporting 1100mhz.

temp's above on this thread

clock is 3.5ghz but it peaks on 3.7 (3.698) that means pbo is already enabled right?

gskill.com/en/product/f4-3200c14d-32gtzsw
is this a good set for 277 bucks including VAT?
or can i get more bang for my buck?
planning on using it with a 3700x btw

that's different, red company good, blue company bad.

Is it worth it?

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amazon.com/Dell-D2719HGF-Response-Speakers-FreeSync/dp/B07J4SXNQ5/ref=sr_1_11?crid=5ZCFH5ND8SDC&keywords=27 inch monitor&qid=1560808158&s=electronics&sprefix=27 in,electronics,207&sr=1-11

is this a good monitor for 1080p gaming with a 2060?

You should check for the best b-die samsung chips in it.
Something like
Hardxxflux germanic site will show you right gskill model.

why the hell hwmonitor doesnt show gpu temperature
gpu-z shows it but can't show current/min/max all at the same time

retard, please
according to it
hardwareluxx.de/community/f13/die-ultimative-hardwareluxx-samsung-8gb-b-die-liste-alle-hersteller-13-06-19-a-1161530.html

it's very good.

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i'm not personally a fan of 27" 1080p, such low pixel density.

But it's probably fine.

faggot

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thanks for your response
thank you for spoonfeeding me and saving my time, i was getting lost in all the tables

>iGPU

that's integrated, so it's on the same die as the CPU

moron

Asked this question in a thread from yesterday and got mixed responses. I have a 2060 FE with Samsung memory. Should I sell now, not sell or wait?

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What do you intend to replace it with?

if a motherboard says
>Supported RAM Speed 1866 MHz, 2133 MHz, 2400 MHz, 2667 MHz, 3466 MHz (O.C.)

does that mean it doesn’t support 3000mhz ram? if so, that is fucking gay

Is that shitty ram throttling my CPU performance and is it worth upgrading to 3200MHz?
>tfw want to get Navi but also want a 75W card to optimize cable management.
>tfw want to replace spinning rust with some cheap 2TB M.2 SATA but the secondary M.2 on that motherboard is PCIE only.

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Does the software that comes with ASUS Z390 motherboards include fan control software? I can't for the life of me work out what's causing my fans to rev up and down so wildly.

if you intend to get a super you could be a few months without a graphics card if you sell now
i'd sell it after you get your new card of choice

first gen ryzen needs fast ram more than second gen, so yes upgrade

no, my motherboard says 2933, 3200, 3600

and it supports 3000, 3300, 3333, 3400, etc

muchas gracias señor

How much cash value would you say he loses by doing that?

You fell for it

They probably will, but games will be hit or miss if we're comparing let's say the i7 8700 to the R5 3600 at the same clockspeed. Some games just love Intel. Eventually though the R5 3600 will catch up in almost every game, after game engines are updated for Zen based consoles.

Probably

You can get an i7 8700 for about the same price as an upcoming R5

Wait for benchmarks on the R5 3600, but all in all the i7 8700 is barely more expensive than the 9600K for more multithreaded performance. Single thread is already good enough on either

>They've always been accurate in the past.
Holy shit no. Fury benchmarks were an example

They're about to come out. Three weeks.. why not wait and see at least?

Yes, they'll be better. An R5 2600 already matches an i7 4770K. A 2080 at 1080p is retarded though

>7nm vs 10nm
You can't compare nodes by marketing speak

Seems expensive

The meme is that the 2060's used market is gonna supposedly crash. I'd like to sell it for over $250 at least.

rate this build? Im quite new to all this, any pointers are appreciated.

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a 2080 for memetracing in cyberpunk is not.

if a motherboard says
>Supported RAM Speed 1866 MHz, 2133 MHz, 2400 MHz, 2667 MHz, 3466 MHz (O.C.)

does that mean it doesn’t support 2668,2669,2670,2671,2672,2673,2674,2675,2676,2677,2678,2679,2680,2681,2682,2683,2684,2685,2686,2687,2688,2689,2690,2691,2692,2693,2694,2695,2696,2697,2698,2699,2700,2701,2702,2703,2704,2705,2706,2707,2708,2709,2710,2711,2712,2713,2714,2715,2716,2717,2718,2719,2720,2721,2722,2723,2724,2725,2726,2727,2728,2729,2730,2731,2732,2733,2734,2735,2736,2737,2738,2739,2740,2741,2742,2743,2744,2745,2746,2747,2748,2749,2750,2751,2752,2753,2754,2755,2756,2757,2758,2759,2760,2761,2762,2763,2764,2765,2766,2767,2768,2769,2770,2771,2772,2773,2774,2775,2776,2777,2778,2779,2780,2781,2782,2783,2784,2785,2786,2787,2788,2789,2790,2791,2792,2793,2794,2795,2796,2797,2798,2799,2800,2801,2802,2803,2804,2805,2806,2807,2808,2809,2810,2811,2812,2813,2814,2815,2816,2817,2818,2819,2820,2821,2822,2823,2824,2825,2826,2827,2828,2829,2830,2831,2832,2833,2834,2835,2836,2837,2838,2839,2840,2841,2842,2843,2844,2845,2846,2847,2848,2849,2850,2851,2852,2853,2854,2855,2856,2857,2858,2859,2860,2861,2862,2863,2864,2865,2866,2867,2868,2869,2870,2871,2872,2873,2874,2875,2876,2877,2878,2879,2880,2881,2882,2883,2884,2885,2886,2887,2888,2889,2890,2891,2892,2893,2894,2895,2896,2897,2898,2899,2900,2901,2902,2903,2904,2905,2906,2907,2908,2909,2910,2911,2912,2913,2914,2915,2916,2917,2918,2919,2920,2921,2922,2923,2924,2925,2926,2927,2928,2929,2930,2931,2932,2933,2934,2935,2936,2937,2938,2939,2940,2941,2942,2943,2944,2945,2946,2947,2948,2949,2950,2951,2952,2953,2954,2955,2956,2957,2958,2959,2960,2961,2962,2963,2964,2965,2966,2967,2968,2969,2970,2971,2972,2973,2974,2975,2976,2977,2978,2979,2980,2981,2982,2983,2984,2985,2986,2987,2988,2989,2990,2991,2992,2993,2994,2995,2996,2997,2998,2999,3000 mhz ram? if so, that is fucking gay

> i9 9900K
what are you doing nigger?

No, the R5 1600 is way more powerful than a 960

Don't sell at all. Not worth the hassle and money lost for such a small increase in perf. A good rule is don't change until you can get 2x the perf

I honestly don't know. lemme know why its a bad idea

Hmm.. alright. I was hoping to never upgrade again but I suppose if I go 1440p it's just inevitable anyway.

gay case otherwise fine

Much appreciated friendo

why on earth did you spend the time to type that out

how come gamurs nexus keeps saying the x370 and x470 motherboard are pretty much the same while having no PBO?

nah

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> No, the R5 1600 is way more powerful than a 960
What? That makes zero sense out of context and even less sense in context of the post you linked.

If you think there are cooler ones for the same price recommend me one senpai

this is even cringier

>3800x is more expensive at launch than 9700k

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