ATTENTION: The Navi RX 5700XT and RX 5700 will launch alongside Ryzen 3000 series CPUs with PCIe 4.0 on 7/7/2019. Nvidia is rumored to be releasing a SUPER series that will reportedly see 20 series cards bumped by ~15% performance while retaining their price points. More info on the SUPER series possible on 6/21.
Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600/X - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >i7 8700 or 9700K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS >R7 2700/X - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard >RTX 2060 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RTX 2060 - standard >RTX 2080 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 2160p (4K) >RTX 2080 - standard >RTX 2080Ti - better fit for 4K but expensive
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync >A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
>Will a CPU that's generally capable of driving the 2080ti in most games (at least the popular ones AMD tested) be bottlenecked by the 1060 ge i wonder Just save money and get the 2600.
But regardless, GPU being the bottleneck is ideal. CPU bottlenecks are much more liable to cause stutters rather than a lower but smooth framerate.
Cooper Price
Agreed, it just caught my eye. I need to find a better one. The sad thing is that at monitor viewing distances, 4K is actually beneficial, even for instance at 27" diagonal
Liam Sanders
Straight 1080p gaymaning build with older games, modern games, console emulators included. Is an unlocked 4 core Intel i3 + rtx 2060 enough?
Cameron Stewart
Yes
My brother has an 8350k and a 1660Ti and he mainly plays older games and emulated shit.
Xavier Foster
No, if you really want to go Intel, you're looking at an i5 9400F, i7 8700, or i7 9900K. Especially with a 2060, an i3 8350K will be a bottleneck. There's really no reason to get the 8350K when the 9400F is a few dollars more and way better
Kevin Green
Has he tried vr too, because I'm kind of interested in maybe buying a headset also.
Connor Richardson
Just put a i9 9900k I bought off a friend for 300$ into my computer. He said it was almost unused and it looked fine to me, but now my motherboard is giving me a flashing cpu light on the "ez debug", which means cpu not detected or failure.
What do? The thing looks brand new.
Tyler Walker
What chipset?
Thomas Baker
The 8350k can oc though, and the 9900k is a little out of the scope for my intended build.
Nolan Fisher
>The 8350k can oc though Doesn't matter, still not as powerful as the 9400F even with OC
Grayson Fisher
Meant i7 9700K, btw
Owen Gray
Z390. I checked all power sources and everything like that.
Mason Perez
Motherboard was working before, or it was new and untested?
Isaiah Jackson
>still not as powerful as the 9400F even with OC In single core? I'm just playing my old PC games (stalker, diablo2, c&c, arma, and 360 emulators for my discs). Newest game I'll probably play is cyberpunk 2077, and maybe a vr game with lollies. Not sure what is better now SC, or MC for games anymore, so let me know why more cores is better than faster cores pls.
Joshua Watson
New motherboard too, so it could have faulty cpu connectors. How would I test which one is at fault?
Jayden Baker
Also open to amd btw.
Isaac King
How much better is an ssd over an hdd? All the decent seem much more expensive for less storage space. How do people manage with 250gb?
Colton Adams
Arma or Arma 3? Because Arma 3 has decent multithreading. It relies on both. Cyberpunk 2077 is going to be very multithreaded demanding. Witcher 3 does not play well on less than 8 threads, and ideally wants 12. Cyberpunk 2077 is by the same studio, and the ray tracing they're adding also needs a highly threaded CPU. You'd be best off waiting for Zen2 and getting at least a 3600 if you want to run 2077 well.
Incomparably better. Some games will hitch, waiting for disk i/o, and/or parts of the world will pop in like in open world games mostly. Some games like PoE you can timeout during loading and get kicked offline.
>much more expensive 2x the cost for over 10x the performance. holy fuck dude how poor can you be. Last time I bought a 1TB HDD is because they came down under $250. Now you can get a 1TB SSD for $85.
Aaron Mitchell
If your friend can verify that the 9900K was working, the mobo is probably at fault. But I'd call your mobo manufactuer's tech support
Multicore is required for modern games, especially games designed for console, like 2077. youtube.com/watch?v=97sDKvMHd8c i5 7600K is basically the same thing as the i3 8350K
Personally I'd wait for reviews of the R5 3600 if you want both single and multicore perf (which you do)
250GB isn't the best price/GB. 500GB or even 1TB is the sweet spot. SSDs are just for holding OS, programs, and games, not for archiving movies etc.
Carter Perry
wait 3 weeks then buy a 3600
Henry Ramirez
Witcher 3 does not give a shit about 12 threads. When it came out, 12t CPUs weren't even close to mainstream
>How do people manage with 250gb? Keep your porn and movies on hdd. That said, with modern 50GB games 250GB is still a bit tight.
Ayden Martin
Yea. I'll do this now instead of buying tonight.
Joseph Gray
If nvidia won't release rtx 2077 by the time cyberpunk 2077 comes out, I will buy radeon.
Angel Moore
they're almost mandatory for boot drives and frequently used programs imo, plus ssd prices are extremely good nowadays, you can buy a 256gb ssd for $40 and try it for yourself.
Chase Morales
What do you guys think of this as a video editing computer? Is there anything I'm leaving out?
>Ryzen 2700 >MSI B450 Tomahawk >16 GB DDR4 >RX 570 4GB (debating about getting the 580 8 GB but I'm not sure what I'd really need just to edit videos) >500 GB SSD + 1TB HDD + 2TB HDD >650 watt gold psu >Cougar MX 330 case >Scythe Fuma Rev B cooler >cheap rosewill case fans
wait for the 3700x or 3600x, ryzen 2 seems to play a lot better with source and source 2. As for GPU anything above a 1660ti should be fine.
Jonathan Gray
T-THANX
Asher Parker
Lmao your graph clearly shows the 5960x btfoing the 4770k being the 4670k holy shit you're actually fucking retarded enough to BTFO yourself with your own sources
Connor Miller
Thanks for the advice. I guess I'll splurge a little and get a 500gb SSD. I have an old HDD in a busted laptop, so maybe I can use that as well. No idea if it still works though, and no way to check.
Ryder Russell
RX580 gets 144fps on Dota2 fine, doesn't it? That game is so easy to run. Streaming is more CPU dependent. If you want to stream at 1440p@60 and a high quality encoding preset, you'd want at least 3900X most likely. If you're fine with streaming 1080p@60 medium preset , even a 2700X should be fine.
Ian Campbell
I'm looking for a goof ~1TB or so SSD for 150-200 USD, what are my options in that price range, if any?
Had really bad experience with Radeon GPUs so I'm refraining from getting another one. Ryzen CPUs look promising as fuck and haven't built a PC in over 5 years so I'm definetely getting one. I don't really care about any other game, really. I mostly use my current PC to do some light rendering and produce music with Ableton Live.
Grayson Peterson
Why not spend half as much and get an SU800 1TB for $85? The MX500 is a bit faster, but not worth the extra $50.
Their drivers were pretty bad in the past. But since 2016 they got good. And now days they're generally better than Nvidia's. But really GPU wise, it can be down to preference. They're close in the $200-$350 range (and up to $500 range once Navi comes, it'd appear). CPU wise, it's Ryzen or the new Athlons, no brainer, at any price point. Intel can't compete at all.
Levi Jackson
>Why not spend half as much and get an SU800 1TB for $85? >The MX500 is a bit faster, but not worth the extra $50. SU800 seems to get trashed in most reviews I read. There are so many SSD's I don't know where to start with them.
samsung is pretty good. I went budget with sandisk but they always seemed to die pretty easily. worth just spending the extra on something decent. you actually notice the performance differences as well
Gabriel Barnes
Samsung seems good but i'd be paying more than what i'd like. What about the XPG SX8200 Pro 1 tb model? That seems to be in my budget range and its an m.2 drive, right? Does anoyne have any experience with it?
Jose Flores
really lmao? trashed how? because Samsung paid them for favoritism and ADATA did not? SU800 is a solid 3D-TLC SSD. Only difference between it and the MX300 and 860 Evo is that it lacks cache. But cache is cache, which tends to improve synthetics more than real world performance.
If you're coming from a HDD, or 2D-NAND SSD, the SU800 is not going to disappoint. If you're looking for 99% the best performance for boot times and games, then sure, MX500, but the SU800 still gets you like 85-95% of that same perf for much less.
If you want to be autistic and waste money, SX8200 like the other user said is still good value.
Benjamin Rivera
Inland Premium NVME is 100 bucks if you want to use a M.2 slot.
Ryder Wright
try reseating the CPU and the cooler
Lincoln Hughes
So with the advent of x570 boards around the corner I have a question, assuming Im looking to buy a mobo for lets say 170$ thats an x470 and I find and x570 for the same price, the x570 would be better in every way generally right? I assume the vrms would be equal if not better than an x470 board.
Isaac Phillips
Yup, he has an htc vive. He says it works fine. I've never used it personally.
Adrian Parker
>was going to buy 1800x >decided to wait >was going to buy 8700k >decided to wait >was going to buy 2700x >decided to wait >was going to buy 9900k >decided to wait I swear one of these days I will replace my 2600k.
Christian Hughes
#71476462 Nobody cares.
Aiden Hill
>The EVOLV ITX isn't loud because of the glass, >it's loud because you've got a 200W GPU >touching the top of the PSU shroud and the fans >are always at 100% if there's any kind of load on >the GPU. If you're just building something for >CPU loads go for it, otherwise mITX is probably >a mistake. But surely there has to be a difference between noise isolated cases and ones with a window panel? It feels so unnecessary to have a huge case but at the same time I want something that is low in noise (at least idle) and has dust filters.
Thanks for the reply though, it's mostly a casual, (somewhat at least) future proof build with a B450 mobo, 3600X, 32GB RAM, 1TB 860 EVO m2 and some kind of GPU that I haven't really settled on yet, 1070s seem to be had cheap nowadays and will probably be fine for my occasional gaming.
Jack Gray
Just means you didn't really need to replace it. You dodged many bullets and came out better off. Good job user.
Julian Reed
First custom build and want to go balls deep into a 4k rig that'll last a few years (like still be able to play 1080p games in 5+ years time) and stay cool, thoughts? Hoping this build will cap out around $3200 AUD once the price drops start to come in thanks to things like the newer x570 motherboards being released and the Super nVidia cards get released.
Only thing I'm on the fence about personally is whether I need a water cooler for my CPU or not but I don't really plan to OC my CPU when I first get it and figure the stock cooler will suffice.
>I assume the vrms would be equal if not better than an x470 board. I don't know about the other brands, but I don't know how Asus could improve the VRM's on their X570 boards. The VRM's on their x470 Crosshair VII Hero are fucking insane.
Joshua Reyes
i'm in the exact same place as you user but i think i'm gonna buy a 3950x or a 3920x when it gets discounted in the future and finally replace my 2600k
Jonathan Turner
Im having trouble phrasing it but I guess the best way is, in almost every aspect an x570 board would be better then an x470 board right? So if the cheaper x570 boards are in the range of where i was looking at x470 boards I should buy one since its better in every way?
Aiden Jenkins
Now's actually the time. Or 3 weeks from now, that is. 3900X/3950X will probably last a long ass time if they solved the NUMA-like problem as it seems they have.
If they don't disable the extra PCIe 4.0 lanes when not in use, the chipset might use a bit more power. But other than that, no it's a major improvement over the ASMedia chipsets. Has build in LAN, WAN, audio, etc. Best mainstream consumer chipset ever made.
Not a fan of the case as it's both oversized and doesn't seem like it'd be quiet, but the rest seems fine.
Joshua Wright
I was more under the impression that getting a mid range x470 board that has a pay cut would be better than an entry level x570 unless you really need PCIe 4.0. Some of the high end x470 boards will still be more than enough for Ryzen 3000
Brody Morgan
Ehhh that's a tough call to make. The biggest difference between the x570 and x470 is the addition of pcie 4.0. Honestly I would just get a x470 unless you want some future proofing for when pcie 4.0 cards come out. I mentioned the Asus Crosshair VII because it was so overkill when it came out that I don't see how any x570 could really surpass it.
Daniel Jenkins
Noisy case doesn't bother me if it means keeping cool but thanks for the feedback. Any cases in particular which are cool but stay quiet too that I should know of?
Jonathan Bell
I wonder how my 2600 + 580 will hold up next gen. It's basically perfect for me needs atm, since I usually play older + indie games, but it allows me to play a few AAA here and there (RE2, DOOM, etc.)
Sebastian Gonzalez
The 2600k has been the best processor I've ever owned. I bought it back in 2011 and it still does a decent job, that's pretty fucking impressive. I'm hoping zen2 forces Intel to get off their ass and start making good processors again. They've gotten so lazy over the years.
Camden Ross
Don't see why you wouldn't just get a Meshify C. Pretty sure it fits just about any 2080Ti.
I wouldn't care about Intel ever making "good"(in your opinion) CPUs every again. Things were fine for the decade or so when AMD was on top and stayed on top. You were probably too young for those times if the 2600k was the best CPU you ever owned, and you never had an Athlon 64 X2 which, relative to the time, was better.
No. Since it's newer and pcie4 costs more, the 570 of the same price will be most likely worse than a 470.
Joseph Baker
PSU question. I'm building this rig soon:
Ryzen 3600 RX 580 (but will likely get a rtx 2060 if they actually cut the price, I'm not fucking spending over 300€ for a gpu) M.2 SSD + 2 HDDs 3 case fans (+1 air cooler) 2 sticks of ram
Is the Seasonic S12II 520W going to be enough for it?
Asher Gomez
Should I buy into the PCIe meme for an M.2 drive, or is SATA fine enough if all I'm really gonna be having on them is my OS and games.
Jaxon Cook
GPU is going to fall off next console gen and probably just play games on medium@60 then, similar to the 7970/280x playing current console gen games on medium.
But medium is still going to look pretty good I think. Newer graphic engines scale down well.
Why get the 3600 when the 2060 would be the bottleneck for the cheaper 2600, let alone a 580? >Seasonic S12II 520W enough of course
Gavin Bennett
>CPUs are for gaming alone
Tyler Price
>You were probably too young for those times if the 2600k was the best CPU you ever owned Jesus you sound really assblasted lol.
Adam Diaz
Jesus you sound really assblasted lol.
Anthony Russell
>I wouldn't care about Intel ever making "good"(in your opinion) CPUs every again. >Things were fine for the decade or so when AMD was on top and stayed on top. You were probably too young for those times if the 2600k was the best CPU you ever owned, and you never had an Athlon 64 X2 which, relative to the time, was better. Not my fault AMD started to get thrashed by Intel after the Athlon 64.
Justin White
You can get an ssd with dram cache (this is important) for below 0.10usd per gb nowadays and prices will keep falling apparently.
Brayden Ortiz
>SU800 seems to get trashed in most reviews I read What reviews are you reading? it's one of the better budget SSD's with dram cache.
the su800 does have cache.
Chase Scott
remember next-gen aims for 4k, so it'll be fine if you stick to 1080p
Bentley Baker
>literally had to resell a sapphire vega 56 pulse I just bought because it sits flush with the bottom of the case, so the fans cant do shit, so it overheats in less than a minute into launching a game Wanna the know the worst part? I can't slap an aftermarket cooler on it (like a kraken g12) because the pcb is the nano version, and not reference size. Literally everything that could have gone wrong did, and now I'm stuck with my rx480 with no upgrade option I like in sight.
That's a good point. It does seem like the focus is either 1080p@120 or 4k@48-60 on the next gen consoles. So an RX580 might keep doing 1080p@60 fine on a lot of next gen games.
But can't help but wonder if devs are going to be shitters and still target 1080p@60 or 4k@30.
... You could have gotten a non-retarded case? Or AIO mod it.
Benjamin Gutierrez
This is why you buy a good case not a zoomerfactory RGBland pile of shit. Mastercase 5 forever!
Isaiah Russell
>ask Jow Forums for a good price/performance cpu >everyone tells me to buy ryzen 2 cpu >enter speccy thread >intel i5's and i7's everywhere >only a handful own ryzen
I remember how it aimed for 60FPS for 10 last years.
Benjamin Morgan
Only actual retards unironically use speccy eg intel users, go figure
I remember how PS3 aimed for 1080p
Jacob Nelson
Most of us our gaymers. And gaymers right now still go Intel. But that could change with zen2.
Isaac Lee
Is rx 580 worth it?
Tyler Foster
>he posted it again
Cooper Perry
For 1080p? Absolutely.
Nicholas Bailey
I lately replaced 2500k with ryzen 2600 4/4 seems to slowly become not enough
Gabriel Reyes
I love the nzxt manta too much. Looks fantastic and has a great profile on my desk. But yeah, I never really considered an issue like this. Thought about buying a very cheap case like the Verse H25, but since I would have no reason upgrade for years to come with the v56, I would render my manta useless. Again, this wouldn't have been an issue if the v56 pulse was a reference pcb as I would have just slapped an aftermarket cooler on it, but its a fucking nano size of all things. And the only waterblock available for the thing is 100 fucking dollars.
Pretty sure that's mostly a 'counter' to high resolution. It's obviously not honestly presented. No source or method explained. We don't even know if it assumes good vision. The sizing issue you express. It doesn't even cover smaller screens which is probably where this is most relevant.
It should probably cover 2K as well as that's a common 32" resolution.
Colton Brown
>speccy threads I've only been there years ago. There's an explanation. >i5 and i7 everywhere Look at the steam hardware survey. Another good explanation.
Michael Lopez
>should I want zen2 to succeeded, but I aint buying shit until independent reviews come out.
Robert Nguyen
the current gpu market is dogshit. should i buy a used gtx 1080ti for 450€ ?
Gabriel Roberts
even amd's cherrypicked graphs have it losing to a stock 9700k. Dunno why are you waiting for nothing
Josiah Nelson
>clearly shows it trading blows in games, winning in cinebench >reads it as "losing to a stock 9700k" This is your brain on Intel
