B-but muh encryption

Might just put you in jail.

You can be indefinitely detained in the U.S. for "contempt" if you try to enforce your right to not self-incriminate.

only if you can't afford a decent lawyer

>finds mostly porn and memes

why do you have the right to no self-incriminate?
what is the reasoning behind it being used in a valid scenario? surely its only use is for criminals to try and cover up their criminal behaviour by refusing to give evidence to the prosecution?

Obvisuly there has to be checks and balances between letting the prosecution turn over every stone in your garden but surely refusal on the basis of "If i show you this, you will arrest me" doesnt make sense as a defense?

SARGE HES USING VERACRYPT PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY
>Use it.
*plugs in blue USB stick with the NSA logo*
*screen blinks twice*
IM IN

That military tranny that's expected to give testimony against Assange has a good lawyer and yet he's looking at 1000 years in detention because he doesn't want to talk.

>FBI glowies at the door
>give us your password user
>nope.hc
>off to jails with you!
>infinite detention for contempts!
>np, prison life is neet life too
>become old man
>time to die
>give them the password
>FBI glowies quiver in anticipation
>open container
>it's stale memes, nes roms and cooking recipes

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thats what hidden partitions are for

You don't think that authorities would abuse you to get an easy conviction?

wrong, if there's no evidence to speak what then?
idiot, it would be a loophole to put anyone in jail for not giving imaginary evidence

>need a patsy
>beat you with a hose for two days
>your honor he said he done it xD

If they put you in an ok jail you'll have a library too

And you'll be quickly forgotten because you're not a black man who was wrong imprisoned.

Actually I live in Norway, so you even get to have a computer. If things go south in life there's always prison here.

>someone made a joke about prison
>QUICK HOW CAN I MAKE THIS ABOUT RAYCISS
Dilate, fren.

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>getting triggered at truth

This really rustles my jimmies. After about 5 years it's reasonable to forget a random 24 digit key. At that point you couldn't help them if they wanted to.

Nah, he probably did something.

why would anyone hand over the password when they will face years of prison time from the evidence as the result of decryption?

This is obvious American """law""" is literally more abusable than Arab and North Korean people just bank ok being irrelevant enough

in most of Europe you simply say no password for you ad that's it

I don't live in a 7th world shithole like the US where there technically is a law against self incrimination but if you don't comply you get jailed indefinitely under some anti terror act. So sure go ahead, come in want some tea, water, coffee? I'll even unlock the PC for you, what encryption? No what's that never heard of it? Yeah it was nice talking with you any further questions just contact my lawyer please, thank you have a good day.

So eventually get let out maybe 5 years after sitting in jail and not giving them the encryption key. Then 10-15 years later technology and computing advances so much that they can crack the encryption, go back to your hard drive, decrypt it, and then you get arrested and put in jail for whatever you were hiding.

It seems

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doesn't seem likely that aes512 will become vulnerable to brute force within the next couple decades
unless quantum computing actually makes a breakthrough

*aes256

>If things go south in life there's always prison here
the absolute state of frogposters

We got what 20qbit right now in commercial quantum computers? And if I remember correctly you'd theoretically need at least ~6500 qbit to crack AES-256 in a viable time frame?
We are just at the point that SHA-1 collision attacks are becoming remotely viable using conventional hardware and quantum computers are still a long ways off before even reaching that point.
tl;dr don't panic we'll be fine

Yes, hiding evidence is considered evidence tampering. And it is reasonably expected that you would know the keys to your own drives

Sure in a shithole like the US or China. Actually civilised countries have laws that actually protect you from this shit.

Not everyone aspires to wagecuck until you're a dried husk for some trinkets from China. Deal with it.

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Serving a few months in prison is probably better than spending years in prison + being registered as a sex offender.

Nah, I live neet lifestyle, I work from home. I make money.

Your aspiration is spending life in jail.

>blublublub I make money
Money isn't everything you fag. No one is impressed except your mom.

Encryption keeps out the average normie/nigger so if they steal it they are stuck with a paperweight. You're right about 3 letter agencies though which is why you shouldn't be storing anything illegal in the first place unless you're a special kind of retard.

>Sure in shithole like the US or China
You bongs are in denial

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>projecting this hard

>implying I am British
Nice cope there.

Cope.

Isn't there still some americlap in jail right now just because he refused to give encryption password a few years ago? Land of the free...

>ooga booga me need encrypt me files
>oonga oonga, nothing illegal or interesting to intelligence agencies on my computer, they will overlook it all
>awoooooooga, me must still hide it

Sure thing fellow CIA nigger you btfo'd everyone cause encryption is only about muh NSA.
Just fuck off back to and shill there

>just wiped my thinkpad from college to install to a fun/comfy arch install
>had it for a week, don’t give enough of a shit to encrypt
>only browsed /vg/ and the arch wiki since I set it up
Ggez officer

>aes
you got the dumb
stop using nsa backdoored encryption ciphers you idiot

recommend me something that doesn't have a backdoor

Joke's on you, it would take longer to crack aes than there are atoms in the universe. I read it on reddit.

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A particularly pissed judge can hold you in contempt indefinitely. It's hard to weasel out of that, because the fact that you were raided means they have other evidence to support the crimes they're accusing you of. The best defense is to just not break the law in the first place, so you and your attorney can tear apart the prosecution's "evidence" base. If you can show that there was no reason to raid you, then the question of the encrypted data becomes moot. Otherwise, it's treated as concealed evidence and you're fucked.

Guys I shat my pants and forgot password.

Only applies in the US where the justice system is fucked up.

The reason for this is to give pretext to detain anybody they want. Some Joe Sixpack doesn't even know what CMD is? No matter, we claim he has an encrypted sector and disappear him. It doesn't matter if such sector even exists.

Thank God i'm from a third world country.

>Here's the password officer. Is there a problem with my collection of cute traps?

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Nice freedom you get there ameriburgers, in actual developed countries your lawyer can just escalate to higher instance and btfo decision of "particularly pissed judge" in few days.

continue to be a retard

In civilized countries you can't even be "held indefinetly" because you don't want to talk.

>Sure thing officer, here is my computer
>But there is nothing on it
>huh? oh you thought I keep stuff on my desktop?? like locally? alright.

Does Veracrypt really have a backdoor? Source?

>hehe I keep my illegal files in the NSA botnet
>checkmates atheis

It must be assumed.

Almost literally yes
theguardian.com/technology/2017/mar/23/francis-rawls-philadelphia-police-child-abuse-encryption

What happens if you jump out the window sustain a head injury and forget your key?

>He unlocked one of the iPhones, but said he could not remember the passwords to the encrypted hard drives – an assertion the court rejected based on testimony from his sister, who said she had seen him enter his passwords from memory.

There's his mistake.

based and comfypilled user

faggot.

3 words: darkweb ME flash

US justice seems particularly retarded.

Here in Europe, they'd first have to prove you have an encrypted device, then if you refuse giving the password for any reason, they'll jail you for a few months for obstruction of justice or anything equivalent.
In the end they'll still have to prove you still remember the password, which can't be done, so they'll have to release you eventually.

But apparently in the US a judge can jail you indefinitely for any bullshit reason he can come up with, and you still call yourselves the land of the free ?

I wonder how good a defense this is since people forget their shit all the time.

>then if you refuse giving the password for any reason, they'll jail you for a few months for obstruction of justice or anything equivalent
No they won't. Unlike the US we have actually working laws protecting us from incriminating ourselves. Of course if you stand in court and say "Fuck you Judge Niggerhead suck my sweaty balls!" they will jail you for that but they can't if you refuse to potentially incriminate yourself and have your lawyer use that as an argument.

In France a "pissed judge" can use obstruction of justice if you refuse to give the key, but the most he can do is giving you a fine or jailing you for a month if they have solid proof you downloaded CP or else, then end of the story.

Another reason to use a password safe.
Delete the key-file and everything becomes inaccessible.

y-yes officer heres the key [to the non-hidden OS]

wtf I love indefinite detention now

>implying the feds can't tell that there are multiple partitions

there aren't.
look into how veracrypt hidden OS works

The government holds an exclusive right to demand to see what;'s inside of you whenever the fuck they deem it acceptable. Why the fuck would you assume your laptop has more rights than you?

>they guess that you might have a hidden partition
>you actually don't
>get held indefinitely because you refuse to give up your non-existent hidden partitions
Can't wait to see a case like this.

Encryption isn't what you use to save your ass after you've been raided by a squad of pigs. Encryption is what you use to make sure that you never get raided because they can't tie your activities to a real-life identity.

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yea, knowing US legal system they'll probably have such cases

Who is girl??

>sure, the password is 0000
>oh wait, I meant 0001
>sorry, entering 0000 automatically wipes the drive :^)

>use recovery software to get the data back :^)
That's why you should also store that shit on an SSD.

If the drive was encrypted then wiped, the only thing to recover is random data.

Which could still potentially be decrypted by using the correct key.

I think you're confusing "encryption" with "your neighbors wifi."

if govt had legal reason to check my drives i'd decrypt 'em. i encrypt mainly so that if a dumb nigger steals my shit he can't steal all my credentials and stuff. also, i only really keep anime tiddies on my hdd.

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Your neighbor's wifi isn't likely to protect you in any way, FBI glowies aren't that stupid, they'll check for that if they can't find shit on his computer.

>>pegged
sure is faggot around here nowadays

i print my encryption keys and small files as qr codes on paper after encrypting them again. that way the law specifically protects my keys since it includes my papers. american laws are fucking stupid sometimes.

Barbara dowd?

>that way the law specifically protects my keys
Esplain please. Which law and how does it apply?

The 4th amendment states you are secure in your house and papers specifically. you need a warrant to search or acquire another persons paper documents.

if some agency or police department is requiring your encryption keys you just need to tell them to get a warrant because you keep your keys in your paperwork. if they don't have probable cause they aren't going to get a warrant from a judge and they'll have to let you go.

Isn't the same reasoning applied to passwords? Before Law Enforcement can charge you with obstruction of justice they will need to present a warrant and the fact that you refused to comply?