>using a desktop environment
>using a desktop
>using namespace std;
Using auto
>purposely making your computer harder to use
This. Never understood why people make it harder on themselves.
muh ricing
I'd hate to think you'd feel the same way when maintaining servers
its not a server though, its my desktop or laptop. gnome is comfy, there is no fussing with it. it uses less than 1 gig on idle with arch.
to be serious for a moment, we don't do it to make it harder simply for the memes and tho they do exist I hate fags who do it for "muh le epic rice. kek macfags only chabge wallpaper". It makes since that doing any sequence of actions over and over everyday, the milliseconds between keystrokes start to feel slow and prohibitive (entire seconds if god forbid, I have to reach for the mouse). To give an example; in Windows' Explorer, to append to a file's name (as quick as possible using the keyboard), I'd have to press the context menu key (assuming I even have one), 'm' for rena'm'e, End, then left arrow four times to position the cursor before the extension (Ctrl arrows to jump words doesn't work here). That's seven fucking keystrokes before I'm even adding characters. In ranger, I'd simply strike the 'a' key. I'm not saying that your 65 year old grandma should use i3 and terminal applications, but anybody the least bit savvy and who has half a brain should be able to see the list efficiency here and should always look to improve their setup. Same way most of you fags are savvy with hardware.
I obviously didn't start out on i3. I went from XP->7->Ubongo Unity->Gaynome->i3. I started using using it after 5 years on Linux when I realised that spending an afternoon tailoring my setup by drafting some scripts and configs would be well worth the time investment.
t. based WM user
I don't maintain a server. I use a desktop PC. And the programs I use are much easier to use with a desktop environment.
Use the mouse.
>wah it's slow
No, it isn't. You just don't know how to use it.
What 'it'? We weren't talking about any 'it', mate.
Its not harder its just needs some configuration at the start assuming you don't just use someone else dotfiles and some time to get used to it, after that you will never want to go back. From the first time that I learned about the existance of tiling wms I liked the idea but it took me a almost 2 years to make the switch and a couple months to get used to it.
not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens
> Using a computer
Its hard to remember which is why you need gui to have environment that does memorizing for you.
You cant expect people to learn once and then never forget. How much harder it is to find information if there is no obvious entry point. Yea, try typing help and then learning everything from text only when you have hard time grasping what the words mean in that context. Alphabetical order that has so much bloat that you will never have to use. No good setup just mess that takes years to sort in to usable information. At least gui has things sorted and then you can move on to use cmd if faster and is as low effort.
There are other points to be made too. Most cant dedicate their lives to computers and they only need specific tool that is inuitive with a learning curve for those who specialize. If you do something on and off remembering is a pain. Not worth the effort. Filters people out. Low access, high threshold meaning less users. Less content gets made.
>hurr durr, you're just not using it right
Nice argument there. It's an objectively inferior interface method whose only purpose is to gently introduce normalfags to computers through "muh point and click". Also, try using a laptop and report back you fucking moron
And what would prevent me from using ranger with a DE?
you absolutely can, ranger is a good file manager. for the same level of efficiency globally, you should probably try a window manager. Unity is the only DE that I've ever seen come close thanks to it's fairly sane default keybindings and useful extra functionality like the HUD for navigating an application's GUI menus
Eh, I tried several tiling and stacking WMs and never could warm up to them. An LXDE-like Openbox setup held my interest the longest, but eventually I switched back to GNOME.
In the end I still want to be able to point and click, even if it's less efficient and I was never really interested in configuring stuff myself. A custom theme has always been enough for me. And if I know beforehand that my current work only involves CLI or TUI tools, then I just stay in tty.
get off the internet and go live your 70's wet dream
>gofundme com/f/handpower-touchless-interaction
>I'd hate to think you'd feel the same way when maintaining servers
But no one really specified an anything.
How many files do you change file extension of in a day? Why are you optimizing your workflow around meaningless tasks instead of around doing productive things.
F2 for rename, friend.
But yes, it's still more keystrokes.
"Meaningless" tasks add up. Also, the added efficiency helps you with "meaningful" tasks, too.
>investing time in modifying a window manager instead of having a simple DE for using a customized work environment like emacs
if your DE/WM gets in your way so much you have to INVEST ON IT, dilate.
if you're investing time, invest it on a work environment, IDE, In customizing your Graphics design suite... anything is a better investment than your FUCKING WM/DE.
The whole purpose of your OS is not getting in the way so you can do your work, stop making your OS lose its point, you probably don't work for shit.
learn to use GNU screen or Tmux if you like terminals and use that for splitting.
>hurr durr, fuck global system-wide optimisation/efficiency. just be like me. use a fucking bloated IDE, graphics suite, office suite, and install tmux if you need moar than one terminal.
do you actually have brain damage? i'm honestly surprised that you didn't shill some meme terminal with builtin splitting like Terminator since you seem to love bloat. read up on the UNIX philosophy faggot
A desktop environment is the most clear sign of a casual user.
WM user here. Just wanted to clear up some misconceptions. Having to configure everything is a small price to pay for maximum workflow. Tapping a couple hotkeys and immediately opening up my browser is crazy convenient if you're used to it. One thing you fail to consider is the amount of shit you can do with that. Say, for instance, I binded my delete key to "rm -r (wherever the recycle bin is)/*" I could immediately delete everything from my recycling bin by just tapping a button. It's not for everyone. some people prefer interfaces and I would never force a window manager on someone, but if you're willing to learn, it's a terrific experience. And when it comes to linux, that should always be the attitude you have. "I wanna learn". After all, windows is pretty different from linux structurally. And the only people you see who don't get into linux are the ones that get mad that it's not exactly like their windows experience.
You can setup keyboard shortcuts in the window managers provided by desktop environments.
Unix philsophy is shit, let it die.
laptops have bad ergonomics
not an argument
>press F2
>press right arrow
>cursor jumps to the end of the filename, right before the extension
I do get what you're saying, but "I can make special cases faster" doesn't really justify throwing the general case under the bus. You can just keep using Windows or Gnome, use specialized tools for the few specialized tasks you have to do, and also get the benefit of an intuitive UI for things that you don't do every single day.
>if your DE/WM gets in your way so much you have to INVEST ON IT, dilate.
But it doesn't? base i3 works just fine out of the box, and so do most of the other ones, setting up and optimization unique to me here and there isn't a problem at all, do you never change your bashrc or vimrc to better fir your personal workflow?
>learn to use GNU screen or Tmux if you like terminals and use that for splitting.
okay but those dont manage my other windows like my webbrowser, pdf reader, anything else so that is only a half solution. I like not having to constantly resize shit to make it fit my screen better.
while it is called a philosophy, it is not strictly a philosophy, it is a method to build good software and it works very good
>Obsessing over how other people use their property.
um
I was about to comment on how Ctrl-Alt-T is the one and only sane key combination for a terminal, but looking at your picture more closely that's the least faggoty thing about it.
with that mindset how could you lower yourself to having to use a gui website. o wait thats right you're a fat neckbeard troll and this post is bait.
Tiling WMs are a literal pain in the ass. Even if you're autistic about bloat you'll use LXDE or IceWM.
THIS.
i can say the same thing about arch with bspwm, after installing arch and realising i don't have wifi/bluetooth and other essential stuff i just wanted to wipe that shit and install ubuntu or kubuntu but i didn't give up and i 100% not regretting using a wm only
oh and openbox exists which is a lightweighted DE to the end user
>thinks you can't use hotkeys in a DE
>doesn't know DEs have Window Managers as well
I even have 12 buttons on my mouse, some of which change tabs in my browser/editor/terminal, spawn/close tabs, and one opens my bank. Now that is maximum comfy, cause instead of having to press 2 keys on a keyboard, I can sit back in my chair and do 90% of my web shit with my mouse alone.
most of these WMs don't work with a DE iirc, and they aren't minimal. which is fine desu but as i'm currently installing linux on a 2gb ram shitmachine i want to have the lightest things e.g. openbox
Not true at all. I know dwm, bwspm, and i3 all work with xfce.
>i'm currently installing linux on a 2gb ram shitmachine
Ramlet problems. Even 8GiB is low ram these days.
>most of these WMs don't work with a DE iirc
Isn't there a standard to make sure that DEs can work with different WMs? I remember hearing something about it during a LXQt presentation.
no i meant the opposite, like kwin without a DE, also not a ramlet, just trying to push the limit of an old pc for fun
see above
basically what i'm trying to see is why have a DE on top of a WM when the WM can have the functionality of the WM but with less performance
>no i meant the opposite, like kwin without a DE
Why shouldn't it work?
it would work but rip any functionality
You could've saved all that time switching between wms by just learning to use the original system properly. In this case f2 and an arrow key would've gotten you to the extension.
Sounds like you saved about 10 seconds per year with your i3 setup, what a haul!
>muh straw man
No straw man, lad. Op did not specify which type of system, so that remains open. Take it up with op
>CHECK OUT MY TILING WM SETUP WITH ANIME GIRL WALLPAPER, A FUCKING CONSOLE WITH CMATRIX, ANOTHER CONSOLE WITH MY TERMINAL IRC CLIENT CONVERSATING WITH MY FAGGOT FRIENDS IN A TRANNY CIRCLEJERK IRC ROOM AND ANOTHER MOTHERFUCKING CONSOLE WITH A MPD CLIENT LOOKING LE MINIMAL! DON'T FORGET TO SET EVERY FONT TO SOME SHITTY BITMAP FONT THOUGH U GUISE! HAHAHAHA LINUX 4 THE WIN!
>using a screen
this
>Using explorer as your example of a DE
dishonest post