Thoughts on this masterpiece?

Thoughts on this masterpiece?

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If someone on Jow Forums thinks it's a "masterpiece", then it's probably just full of vague threats towards the "weak" and endless jerking off whomever the author believes should lead the new hierarchy, which is almost always someone who is "strong" for being devoid of any morality and relies on money and a feigned adoration for Christianity as surrogates. Retards read this and think it's profound because they don't realise that already is our society, and it's not in fact run by a bunch of student PC hippies like Fox News told them.

Don't forget he was insane.

Not quite sure about it being a masterpiece, but his main contradiction is that he could've just joined the Amish instead of doing everything else he did. The technology they use is right at the cut-off point he proposed.

that's what they want you to believe.

Poor, cynical, and pessimistic

My self, I prefer the Venus Project

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While the reasoning is fairly sound, I don’t really buy into the premise (that the system is inherently bad for humanity, because it makes humans dependent on it). Humans are and will always be social creatures that are better off when they organise themselves into tribes and even larger groups. Modern society is essentially just a megatribe.

So, in other words, if you buy into the premise, I guess it’s fairly sound and makes a convincing argument. I don’t and I unironically think we are better off today than any time in the past, and anecdotes about surveillance and dependence on the system are ignorant and glorifies our history in a disingenuous way.

This. It's an irrational, emotional diatribe that resonates with some angry losses here because it portrays him and the reader as oppressed by an unjust and "weak" society

>that's what they want you to believe.
If a mathematical genius, child prodigy and a fucking Harvard professor thinking he would dismantle the modern industrial society by mailing bombs to random people isn't insane - I don't know what is.

Oh, they weren't random. He just tried to kill people who's name had vague relations to his manifesto, like woods.

>Oh, they weren't random
I know, but some were PC shop owners, some professors, some university graduates and he didn't know a single one of them personally.

didn't he just do that to get his manifesto published?
also he only got caught because of his brother

He wouldn't have gotten "caught" if he didn't decide to mail bomb a bunch of institutes to begin with.

I like how they criticise more successful people who just happen to be centre or left-wing are all weak and decadent, when they spend their entire times moaning about how no girls want them and they're scared of getting their ass kicked by trying to use forceful pick-up artists tricks, while also complaining about not having enough NEETbux to afford to import another figure of their waifu from Japan.

It's really is absolutely disgusting.

Bingo.

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Unabomber controlled opposition.
Never killed anyone.
His text seems to predict the future because the ghost writers are buddies with the controllers. Not a prediction, just documentation.

>unabomber
>irrational

why pretend you've even glanced at it?

>sending mailbombs
>rational

hmmm yes, incel nazi alt-right incel maga hitler nazi incel! I agree!

Yeah I bet that triggered you, didn't it?

look mom I'm projecting again

hmm triggered? triggered snowflake alt-right incel snowflake nazi! indeed!

Return to reddit/twitter/facebook until you can form thoughts which aren't just a sequential series of online-only buzzwords

Theres more to it. The more complex the system gets the easier to collapse. Consider world economies that are intertwined and globalized. If one countries economy goes to shit most every other will probably have huge problems. It also works for technology, the next part is the whole abuse on a wide scale only possible due to technology. If we only had sticks well only the people close enough to be speared can be killed and very highly you would be too. Not the case with technology abuse/corruption is enabled by technology. The whole premise is about who we are headed towards disaster.
This guy is right he said he would stop when a news outlet published his manifesto. He only was caught by his brother saying it might be him and getting raided thus. The fbi had no leads to him, otherwise.

>Consider world economies that are intertwined and globalized. If one countries economy goes to shit most every other will probably have huge problems
This is an argument for socialism, not for dismantling society as a whole. Ironically, Ted hates socialists even more than post-industrial technology.

> the next part is the whole abuse on a wide scale only possible due to technology. If we only had sticks well only the people close enough to be speared can be killed and very highly you would be too. Not the case with technology abuse/corruption is enabled by technology.
But this argument is ignoring the benefits that technology has given us.

>The whole premise is about who we are headed towards disaster.
Yes, and I completely disagree and think that it is silly.

But most people ignore the bad technology brings. Consider the car. We all know what good it does. But what about all the wars over oil and petrol how many people think about that? You cannot take the good without the bad.

why are you blaming technology for that instead of humanity?

>But most people ignore the bad technology brings.
No, they don't. There's a massive debate going on about the need for splitting up SV megacompanies, because they control even what we perceive as truth and what news we see. The latest Facebook privacy scandals has the general population screaming for regulations.

>But what about all the wars over oil and petrol how many people think about that?
We are literally looking into how to jail people for their deceit (lock her up).

debunked on this board over and over again yet it keeps being posted

It is about technology. The money is in it.

No, it's about money and power. That's what is to blame here.

humans start wars, that's humans fault, not technologys fault, fucking cavemen fought over rocks, thats no different to fighting over oil right now

dilate

Plain autistic and stupid
Guy who never got laid try to point a way to humanity
Sorry but no can do

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Reminder to read his 2016 book he wrote in jail,
Anti Tech Revolution

archive.org/details/KaczynskiAntiTechRevolutionWhyAndHow_201803

tl;dr he's still lucid and knows better than us the fate of our world from inside his cell.
tl;tl;dr: we're fucked

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Google is proving him right, innit.

Based.

>Guy who never got laid try to point a way to humanity
Isaac Newton died a virgin

Isaac Newton discovered important things instead of getting mad about nothing and sending mailbombs to people

Isac Newton also got irrationally mad about Robert Hooke.

>>Isaac Newton discovered important things
mathoverflow.net/questions/49395/behaviour-of-power-series-on-their-circle-of-convergence/

jstor.org/stable/1995093?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

that's not important

>that's not important
it's literally used in all smartphones

he's right

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so is child slave labour

Look around yourself and tell me he's the only one.

>child slave labor is bad because reasons
ok

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that's not what I said

fpbp

>then it's probably just full of vague threats

How about you read it before spewing an uneducated opinion?

Do you think Ted would approve of smartphones? His own work literally made this world a worse place for humanity.

this is a good strawmen you really beat him up good

he probably knew and that's why he quit academy quite early

there are no threats in the manifesto, nor any references to weakness or strength, nor any lionization of leader figures, nor any adulation of money or christianity

for fuck's sake, well done for making me respond

I've read the whole thing. It's typical anarchist shlock, saying industrialisation has improved the material aspects of life but left people hollow and unfulfilled psychologically. The fact is that great, but not complete, progress has been done in recognizing psychological problems. A century ago people would've treated autism with a lobotomy. Today, the physical effects of overworked stress on health or the psychological effects of loss on people are far better documented, understood and treated. It's psuedoscientific nonsense, trying to blame nebulous feelings of disconnection on machines and society. You can go find Amazonian tribes and see if they're psychologically any better. Or live in the woods with a bunch of hippies if it makes you feel better. You won't, because your feelings of disconnection with society isn't because of industrialisation.
He was insane, but not necessarily the manifesto.

>dude society is better than ever!

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funny how people saying shit like this are still using their computers to post on Jow Forums when they could go and live in the woods any time they like and nobody would ever bother them

>the more complex the system the easier to complex
The more critical and sensitive to failure each component is, the easier to collapse. The modern world is actually awash with alternatives for industrial goods and services. Very few things are actually critical. Even metals can be recycled and oil can be produced from trees. It's a matter of cost.

>they could go and live in the woods any time they like and nobody would ever bother them
not true
the bother part

"Everything's fucking great, you'd be a retard to be concerned about the direction modern life is taking", typed the millennial mong on his pocket surveillance device/dopamine dealer on the way to his second or third gig of surrogate activity for the day.

Incredible, you are a genius. No one has ever posted this unique observation before.

Bullshit

do you have any idea how little of the earth is actually urbanized and how easy it is to go off and live in the middle of nowhere and have nobody have no idea you're actually even there
of course you don't, you're a frustrated Jow Forums incel who probably hasn't even been camping before

>if you're not picking strawberries in the field and enjoying it, it's a surrogate activity
Stop liking what I don't like.jpg

>We are literally looking into how to jail people for their deceit (lock her up).
First off, she's not even remotely close to the only one who should be jailed for all that shit. Second, the fact that it has to be looked into and isn't just determinable based on the law as it currently stands shows that it's not a cut-and-dry process to prosecute someone successfully if they're powerful.

>It's psuedoscientific nonsense
It cannot be pseudoscientific because it does not purport to be scientific.

"I am much fulfilled by this gig I took out of necessity." --nobody

Over the past 10 years, social media has profoundly transformed our personal interactions and our individual mental states. How will things be 10 years from now?

Shitposting on Jow Forums is a surrogate activity, so fuck off kid.

grim

we'll be hooked up directly to the cloud via our stadia-ai chips

Dur, you don't like the world just live in the woods, dummie!!

This argument is so stupid. Like everyone unsure by the direction of modern society should just go live like a hermit?
The USAs cyber security laws are an orwellian future.
Netflix and K-pop infect our children with government sanctioned moralities. Mainstream media preys on the average person, and berates them towards ideas through brute Force.

Maybe Ted was insane, but if you think society is on a perfect trajectory, and you shouldn't question it, I think that's a huge mistake.

no it's not, it's group socialization

>masterpiece
To be short and straight to the point (I'm phoneposting while taking a shit, please cut me some slack), from what I've read in the manifesto, he makes valid points about society in general and the impact of large-scale technology on it, but he ultimately directs these criticisms to the tool, and not the user (leftism and globalism, which he however at least mentions), which is the real underlying cause.
He is attacking the wrong enemy. Technology is a tool, it's up to the user to make it good or evil.

>k-pop is american propaganda

>leftism and globalism
cringe

I didn't say that. It's Korean propoganda through and through

>Like everyone unsure by the direction of modern society should just go live like a hermit?
that's literally what he did and what his manifesto says, yes
his fans should follow suit
if you want to question society you could start by not listening to murderers

>t. assblasted leftist

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>group
It's antisocial behaviour. Why are you shitposting with a bunch of strangers you'll never meet, instead of being out in the fields with your friends and family and building a home for yourself?

i don't think your bad reading comprehension has anything to do with that anons post my dude

>shitposting with a bunch of strangers you'll never meet
is social behaviour

It's shit. As always with cretin nationalists (and i'm for mono-ethnicity), there is no critique of capitalism at all. Just a line here and there without going deep once.
Guys wants to go back to nature, live a traditional way of life. But he doesn't criticize the mode of production. It's like criticizing the smoke of the factory, but not the factory itself. He's blaming the effects, without blaming the cause.

So is a hipster going posting comments on his friends' instagram and going to his gig, or whatever you called it. How is that surrogate behaviour but this isn't? I think you are severely mentally ill if you think Jow Forums is anything but a massive waste of time.

Yes I'm a big fan I bought all his albums and I'm seeing him in September!!
>What is a straw man fallacy

It fulfills a social need, that's the point, that's why you're posting on it

>there is no critique of capitalism at all. Just a line here and there without going deep once.
Agreed. People need to realize that capitalism and communism are nothing but two sides of the same coin, namely historical materialism.
I'm guessing those you call "cretin nationalists" happen to almost always be Americans.

You're avoiding my question. Both things serve the same purpose, yet you consider using your smartphone to connect with friends a surrogate activity, while Jow Forums not. Explain yourself.

>here is no critique of capitalism at all. J
Stupid commie

an entire chapter in the manifesto is quite literally dedicated to discussing leftism and its impact on global society through economic and political machinery.

i think you're just trying to use schoolyard appeals to popular morality to try and prevent people from exposing themselves to things you don't agree with

They're both surrogate activities. If he says otherwise, he's in complete denial.

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>yet you consider using your smartphone to connect with friends a surrogate activity
someone else said that, I dont consider either of them to be a surrogate activity

I would if I could. I don't have fields, friends, or family.

Thanks

The truth is that they both are. You're not being social by shitposting on Jow Forums, that's completely fucking delusional.

>tilting soil
>hunting game
>banging wife
>discussing (live) with grugs

anything outside of this is surrogate activity

>As always with cretin nationalists
actually read the thing

>there is no critique of capitalism
actually read the thing

>he doesn't criticize the mode of production
actually read the thing

>He's blaming the effects, without blaming the cause.
actually read the thing

>You're not being social by shitposting on Jow Forums
Why not? I'm talking to other people, that's what being social is. What even is a surrogate activity?

Cringe and blue-pilled.

>if you want to question society you could start by not listening to murderers

he murdered people because when he was a 14 year old teenager going to stanford he signed up for psych experiments that ended up literally being a front for MKULTRA and the CIA psychologically tortured him in an attempt to see how far they could break a child prodigy

im not going to defend his action but this is a very bad argument in regards to uncle ted

No, the smartphone is not the surrogate activity; a job you don't enjoy is surrogate activity.

Having your professors bully you is not an excuse for murder