Self taught programmer

Because we value our faces more than you value your nuts.

nooooooooo

Nearly every single one of my former college mates is an absolute disaster, while I've worked with many self taught programmers who were leagues better, and who taught me a lot.
The "self taught programmer = bad" is a meme spread by people who realize they've been scammed by college, but are too afraid to openly admit it is in fact a scam, and want to force everyone down the same path.

Self studying is not easy, more so if you have to support yourself/work at the same time instead of getting a loan that you will never finish repaying. People who teach themselves usually have real passion and interest in programming and also strong will and work ethic. People who self teach often already work on their projects even while learning, and when and if they go for an interview its because of request of a company, usually a meeting with project leader to discuss the ongoing and future projects not some shitty hr landwhale.

This mostly doesnt apply to pajeets because while they are self taught they just found a niche on how to exploit the industry to earn some money, its the same shit happening in many industries even medicine, pajeet self studies, then buys a medical certificate and starts practising either in india or straight in the west because shitskin doctors get preferential treatment and even checking their certificate is considered racist.

>rp faggot

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The uses are learning actually useful stuff and not the literal memes pushed by university nowadays.

>Because we value our faces more than you value your nuts.
>we
1: tits or gtfo (tranny tits don't count, and trannies aren't female)
2. Sperming on your (collective) face, and hair doesn't stop you from sucking dick again though.

Lol u got a job yet Berkeley fag?

CS students get interships, self taugth don't.

How do I avoid memery and learn the necessary?

>even checking their certificate is considered racist
this is what Jow Forums actually believes

Memery is often unfortunately unavoidable.
That said, just do enough work to get good grades, but not more than that. If there are "optional projects" which have no consequence on your academic record, don't bother unless you REALLY enjoy them.
As for the necessary, the best place to look into is older resources, from the 70s-80s. This field unfortunately has a very bad habit of falling for fads and not remember its own history.
If you have solid theoretical foundations and understand the basic, yet timeless principles which, despite what many autists believe, still hold, learning whatever meme framework/library/language you need for a given job will be trivial.

>What are the uses of being a "self taught" programmer? Aren't there hundreds of thousands of pajeets that are willing to code for peanuts?
I learned it to make stuff I enjoy and make money without being employed. What an eye opener huh. And trusting pajeets with your work is retarded, because pajeets fuck everything up. The cheap ones are all lazy and dumb idiots.

I want at qt programmer gf

I would be a NEET if I didn't teach myself.
>t. physics major

smart people don't need a college to learn..... i can wipe my ass with a Harvard teacher.....
so basically if go there is to teach and work, not to learn.....

i am tire of this fucking police and crazy doctor, they think i am a free teacher..... and that i am here to give then free stuff......

Stuff that does not change: math, programming language design (everyone should have built at least an interpreter once), how version control works (git is fine), decoding/encoding (i.e. why do some websites look funny?), how to build an parser, what is a stack and a heap, be able to analyze an algorithm or at least give some rough upper bound on its runtime.

Then there are many optional topics such as learning different programming paradigms (you should learn at least two, functional programming for example).

>71593000
Fuck i am in college, and I'm agreeing with you.

are bootcamps worth it? asking for a friend.

This. I have also seen this at my previous job. People that learned programming at university doesn't even seem to know very basic stuff. Is it because self taught programmers are often people who learn programming because they are interested in it more?

I guess they are for the connections.
There's always that spic from the hood who has good marijuana's for cheap, and a single mom bartender who can get discounts at the bar.

My fat chinese wife Mei is so cute

Some are some aren't, but if you need a bootcamp to handhold you then you're fucked. You need persistence to win over the fucking pajeets.

And people who study (and pay for it) programming is not interesting in programming? Your logic sucks.

wrong wojak buddy

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When I took some intro classes in CS, there was this young kid that worked as a software dev, huge geek, and would correct/argue with the professor at least twice a week. Eventually others joined in as well, and the professor started threatening to lower their grades.

Most CS classes are a fucking circus if a bold geek knows how to code and/or the professor isn’t great. Currently a junior and couldn’t bother to go back. Basically the professor assigns you a book to read and shares his/her “insight”.

who is this semen deamon?

This is a good thing. They don't transfer your GPA so if you slack off for the first 2 years you can still get a 6 million GPA

I think you're assuming a lot.

Everybody who is actually good is self taught, and I consider myself self taught as somebody who did CS at a decent school. You expect some dusty old boomer who never programmed professionally to teach you how to do things properly?

Who is she? She's kinda cute but I don't feel sexually attracted to her

>self taught programmer
>on resume has website they built
>default wordpress website + stock template for layout
>wordpress logo still in the corner and icon for the site

Holds knowledge of 20,000 hours of pajeet tutorials

>he stopped learning after college

I've reserved official judgement until i see a normal facial expression but am cautiously optimistic

some mexican, who cares

>try teaching myself programming
>many of the concepts seem straight up alien even though they make sense logically
Is there something wrong with my brain?

>got a programming job
>Only ever had one formal programming class, intro to computer programming in c++
>Physics major bye
Basically had to teach myself how to code because so many projects required a solution that was easier done with programming. (Microcontroller shit mostly, some simulations in Python and Matlab.)

What do people mean when they say "self taught"?
I never went to college but took MIT MOOCs on computer science in my free time before going to a bootcamp. Does "self taught" mean you started tinkering around with source code with no guidance whatsoever?

It means you crack open some books and teach yourself data structures and algorithms.

Almost all programmers except fresh out the boat CS grads will say they are "mostly self taught" when asked (or maybe they'd say they are "experience-taught" if they're trying to buff their resume). But if they say they are "self taught" without any qualifiers or additions it generally means that they have no formal (specifically college or vocational) education in programming.

i got my first internship allready and i've only been doing computer shit for a month

my biggest thing i've done today is download bucklespring, a linux tool that makes my keyboard sound like a ibm model m

also watched an anime. tanya is pretty good

Have sex

Kek no, self taugth programmers go directly to Python or javascript.

> salty unemployed cs major

knowing how to program is entirely different from building shit

self taught get real jobs faggot

google who Igor Sysoev is

/thead

that guy. I forgot his name, Linus something. from Finland

>wagecuck programmer

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yeah, building shit i easy

look at all these node_modules

better than being a self taught dick sucker, bitch

Try reading a book on the basics.

fuck off, laura

the choice of words seems terribly contrived at first. you need to adapt to the terminology first.
I worked as theoretical physicist first and when I started getting into it I barely understood fuck all, not because I wouldn't have been able to solve their problems but because I didn't even know what they were asking of me.

>>self taught programmer

That's pretty much impossible.

I'm at the point in my career where I'm reviewing my resumes and interviewing people. I dump the resume if

>no UNIVERSITY degree, college degrees get dumped
>no work experience
>only java work experience, unless you have a white name (it's a big pajeet signal)
>any buzzwords at all like machine learning

When I'm phone screening people, I ask them complexity trivia questions that you wouldn't get unless you got a university degree and did well.

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>can't afford uni
>nearly 26
should just neck myself

Sounds like a company not worth working for anyway.

>tfw self-taught monkey
>self-taught C++, DS&A
>learn the common protocols like i2c, spi
>learn to read schematics
>make some projects with arduino
>got a job working in embedded
>basically an impostor
>fresh EE grads always look up to me and ask me questions
I don't deserve this.

No; hardly. If the guy comes from a real university, you at least know that he can work with other people; you probably can get him the team work certifications real soon. If he's self taught, chances are that he does a lot of stuff wrong and doesn't care, plus he could be a horrible person. Self taught programmers go into the bin.

You think people from uni aren't horrible people?

If they come with the right coding habits to get them the PSP, and enough social experience to get the TSP soon after that, no; they are perfect candidates.

> t.110 iq midwit who thinks he is smart for knowing how to code in basedscript who would flunk an analysis course

how do you not deserve this retard? are you under some illusion that programming is difficult? congrats to you but you have to realize the average EE graduate doesn't know much about programming

They're interested in the money that programming gets.
Higher education is now about getting a piece of paper that says "I can earn money", not learning.
The minute supposed institutions of academia began offering absolute nonsense like business related degrees, or trash like gender studies, was the minute they lost all credibility.

Are they bad? I got one from this esc.edu/ but I live in the balkans as an international student maybe it was a good option for me

damn this girl is somehow hot

female or trap?

So you wouldn't hire John Carmack

does it matter?

you'd fuck it anyway

>go to job interview
>"It says here you're self taught"
>yes, but I'm willing to work for peanuts
>"Since you're an American citizen I am required to pay you a certain amount, and it's more than I think your skills are worth"
this kills the American

isn't uc berkeley a state college?

>>any buzzwords at all like machine learning
what's wrong with ML savvy people?

I don't even have a degree (dropped out of uni) and I got a job as a programmer and I'm making good Euro wage.

You just wasted few years on your life getting a shitty piece of paper. Being a code monkey isn't hard.

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>social experience

>stumble upon a twitter profile from a female dev while job searching
>the girl is having fun with webdev front-end, mixing her design passion with tech

looked comfy af, are we the baddies?

> You have to be formally taught to be a good programmer.
Most of the important parts of what you will do as a programmer are learned on the job. To get a job, you don't have to master "Programming" with a capital letter, you only need to find a particular skill set that applies certain elements of "Programming" to a select set of tasks that someone is willing to pay you for

who hurt you?

>make money without being employed

Explain senpai. All I want to do is sit on my laptop and read books all day. I've been doing it for 10 years now in bliss but I'm going to be a wage cuck soon which means my dream life will be over.

Euler

Unironically steps her up above a debt slave.

>community college cs major

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ucb, ucla, and uofm are exceptions

no, that is not right. its self taught arnoldc programmer

And what reality actually mirrors.

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based arnold

a fEmAnOn owo
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