But at what voltage desu?

you just need to buy X570 for a $150 premium and some 3733Mhz low latency RAM at $200+.

Duh.

>x470
>beta bios
Anyway how bad is the performance hit from zombieland, MDS, + disable HT? I know SSD has been axed literally in half after spectre and meltdown.

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You only need to disable hyper threading in very specific environments.

Gaming at home is not one of those

Try again shill

dialate

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It's very simple, meme vulnerability patches can be disabled, and need to be manually installed on user request.
High latency can not be fixed, all you can do is buy discontinued unicorn RAM for 2X the price to band aid the issue
thanks for proving the point

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He was asking how much performance degradation comes from spectre, meltdown, MDS, zombieland security mitigations.

Even IF you're braindead enough to enable HT there's a pretty significant performance hit.

Considering 3000mhz CL16 is only $63?

That's horrible.

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It's ~5% in most cases from what i've seen, it's nothing major.

The bigger impact is in certain enterprise workloads that deal in context switches and similar.

Can you you check my list and see if anything is missing? I have a hard time keeping up with intcel seething parades.

>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>Heat doesn't matter!
>1771w cooler doesn't matter!
>Server space doesn't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>Free RAID doesn't matter!
>NVMe RAID doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>IPC doesn't matter!
>7nm doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>HEDT doesn't matter!
>Stock coolers don't matter!
>Security doesn't matter!
>Games don't always matter!
>Enterprise doesn't matter!
>Hyperthreading doesn't matter!
>VMware doesn't matter!
>MySQL doesn't matter!
>Unix doesn't matter!
>Linux doesn't matter!
>Waffer yields don't matter!
>Benchmarks after full patches don't matter!
>Asian markets don't matter!
>Own fabrics don’t matter!
>Chipset lithography doesn't matter!
>Cray doesn't matter!
>Cisco doesn't matter!
>HPE doesn't matter!
>AZURE doesn't matter!
>*NEW* 5nm doesn't matter!
>*NEW* TDP doens't matter!
>*NEW* 10nm doesn't always matter!
>*NEW* Cache doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Integrated graphics don't matter!

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dialate

Other tests shows latency at 56ns tho

cringe

like I said, with X570 and expensive ass RAM, i'm sure it does compete with intel.

overclock

Or just buy cheap 3733mhz ram.

Based Doesnt Matter poster

Does the KS stand for "kills self"?

"cheap 3733mhz"
does not compute

The one CL 18 kit is out of stock, and the CL17 kits are all $170+

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Never said that. I get you want to win the epeen contest but we don't care about that.

Not all x570 are expensive. The leaked prices showed x570 starting from 2000dnk whic is about 125$

>Not all x570 are expensive. The leaked prices showed x570 starting from 2000dnk whic is about 125$
Then they're shit quality elsewhere.

To support PCIe 4.0 requires a more expensive motherboard, generally by about $100-150 compared to the X470 counter part of near identical specs.

a $125 X570 board would be garbage tier.

New PCB I wouldn't think would be that expensive
X570 also isn't just about the PCB, VRMs are upgraded across the stack
MSI's like cheapest of the cheap gets an 8 phase
Gigabyte gives you a 10 phase on it's cheap board

>generally by about $100-150 compared to the X470 counter part of near identical specs
That's complete bullshit. The premium is about $50-100 over X470, depending on how much things have been upgraded. There will be perfectly competent X570 boards available for under $200. Buildzoid has already looked at some and given them a pass for the 12 core even with an overclock.

as long as it comes with chiller I wont go to jail for using Im in

>disables vulnerability patches
>unplugs pc from internet
>is ready for gayming session
life of incel is hard

That frequency is 2:1

You mean spend even more, CL14 3200 is the best you can get, you can move it up to 3700 CL18 if you want but it's the same shit
Call me when there is 1 reported case of these vulnerabilities being exploited in real life scenarios and then I'll be slightly concerned

>It's ~5% in most cases from what i've seen, it's nothing major.
That's from EACH security motigation. It's like 40% with ALL 30+ mitigations fully enabled. Why do you think the thinkpad craze is dying down?

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you just need this

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I don't like this "energy saving", it makes my diesel generator produce less exhaust

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Still gonna buy intel products to make you seethe

3.6V, not great not terrible.

B-but sir! Isn't that bad?

Just sprinkle some liquid nitrogen into the components from time to time sir, everyone in the current year does it.

What total bullshit. Nearly no use case is embarrassingly parallel, meaning you can't hide a performance loss by throwing more cores at it as it is single-. A 25% loss in performance WOULD be visible to their customers as a straight 25% loss in performance unless they overclocked all of their CPUs by 33%.
"Is not visible to our customers" means "it does not exist."

They already traded security for performance so, why not?

You seem to be confused, amd themselves didn't even use b-die in their internal testing, they used CJR. If you knew anything about dram then you wouldn't even be posting. Their slides have been on point with the performance leaks so I'll go by that. Here is a very similar kit of 3733 cl17 that they seem to have used for their latency tests, keep in mind that this can be tuned down further. With this kit only being about 20 dollars more expensive than common 3200 kits, there is literally no reason not to grab it when building a new system.

amazon.com/dp/B01K7V0DRG/?tag=pcpapi-20

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based flare-x kits

great for people who don't want more than 8 cores
why bottleneck yourself like that

Dude use the archive
Fresh cope list

>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>Heat doesn't matter!
>1771w cooler doesn't matter!
>Server space doesn't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>Free RAID doesn't matter!
>NVMe RAID doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>IPC doesn't matter!
>7nm doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>HEDT doesn't matter!
>Stock coolers don't matter!
>Security doesn't matter!
>Games don't always matter!
>Enterprise doesn't matter!
>Hyperthreading doesn't matter!
>VMware doesn't matter!
>MySQL doesn't matter!
>Unix doesn't matter!
>Linux doesn't matter!
>Waffer yields don't matter!
>Benchmarks after full patches don't matter!
>Asian markets don't matter!
>Own fabrics doens't matter!
>Chipset lithography doesn't matter!
>Cray doesn't matter!
>Cisco doesn't matter!
>HPE doesn't matter!
>AZURE doesn't matter!
>5nm doesn't matter!
>TDP doens't matter!
>10nm doesn't always matter!
>Cache doesn't matter!
>iGPU doesn't matter!
>PCIE 4.0 doesn't matter!
>Mindfactory doesn't matter!
>Custom Foundry Business doesn't matter!
>Stock voltage doesn't matter!
>Framerate doesn't matter!
>Amazon sales don't matter!
>Prime95 AVX doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Large corporations don't matter!
>*NEW* Your DATA doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Context switch duration doesn't matter!
>*NEW* 202x market outlooks don't matter!
>*NEW* VRM doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Bitrate doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Single core performance doesn't always matter!

AMD only needs one
*ahem*
>Performance doesn't matter

based

this, it's not like intel released the 9900Kelvin because the 4GHz 2700X was CURB STOMPING the i7-8700K OC'd to 5GHz. Right?

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I'm happy knowing i'll still have better gaming performance than what you've been waiting on since zen 1 and not under LN2.

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Damn buuuurned

parhetic zoomer samefag, go listen to lottle yatze or whatever flavor of amerimutt is on disney radio these days.

Why do you come on a chink website to make yourself feel better?, Why do you care what i use? Why are most AMD fans complete asshats that care about others security all the time? Why would i want a slower gaming chip that needs LN2 to compete remotely with single core speed for gaming?

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Engineering Sample of the 3950x
Chernobyl 2.0 if you tried something similiar with an Intel part

>"blah blah blah black lives matter! blah blah blah"
Yeah whatever kid, back in my days we used to watch them hang not put them on a pedestal.

Nope, the bottom of the barrel i5-8400 already took care of AMDs flagship

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>letting someone with visible tattoos show off your product
grim

You actually have schizophrenia don't you?

Neglected

oscillate

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someone took time to write this. fucking embarrassing.

You guys are fucking dumb, intel is literally giving a free space heater with every chip and you still complain.

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>what are c states

Crack smokers please leave.

aww, we broke him

not visible to the customers because they baught more cpus to counteract the performance hit.

C-states are idle power saving states, in contrast to P-states, which are execution power saving states. During a P-state, the processor is still executing instructions, whereas during a C-state (other than C0), the processor is idle, meaning that nothing is executing.
C0 is the "null" idle power state, meaning it is the non-idle state when the core is actually executing and not idle.

Underrated

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*NEW* writing doesn't matter?

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You may not need to shut off HT while just gaming, but -
>gaming
>$currentYear
>8c/16t helps more than 8c/8t
Pick two. Granted, it may be different if you're streatming.

And they still bought intel because they aren't idiots.

*And they still bought intel because they are idiots.
whoops, typo

Intel fanboys are pozzed in the head just like their diseased housefire garbage CPUs.

>CURBSTOMPING
>1-5 FPS increase
yah dude

>The Intlel i9 9900KillyourSelf
Can't wait to not buy it

:^)

the entire industry did

does it need a water chiller?

it's not about the electric bill, it's about the heat and dark silicon

get back to us when you understand what scheduling is and why multiple threads existed before multiple cores

I hope it includes the reactor you need to run it.

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>~$100cheaper
>~25% higher multi-core
>no need for $200+ tripple fan AIO just to maintain stable temps at STOCK settings
>included comes a literally FREE cooler that can turbo all cores to 3.8-4.0 based on what voltage you get even on a prime95 avx enabled hour long torture test.
>are not required to disable SMT for security
I'm an intel fan btw but even I have to 100% admit the 9700K was too little too late.

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So they are basically trying to make up for falling behind architecturally by just cranking shit up, just like AMD with their video cards.

Give it to me straight boys. Is a 9700k a bad buy right now if all I want to do is game? I have a 2080Ti and 165HZ 1440p gsync monitor. I want to push World of Warcraft and all my other fancy games at their absolute max without dropping settings. Is the Ryzen 3xxx going to be worth it? I do a shit load of video encoding and was going to get the 3950X in September, but I'm honestly at the point where I'd just repurpose my existing 1700X and spare 32GB ram to use solely as an encoding server while I get a game centric CPU for my main build.

TL;DR
9700k right now and retire 1700X for encoding? Or wait for 3950X and have a single PC that can do it all?

can't really call it falling behind when you are still the best money can buy even when zen 2 comes out (assuming you OC both the zen 2 and the i9 to their max potential)

Mine is at 5GHz (4.7GHz cache) constantly and is rock solid, even under AVX loads at only 1.3V and Turbo LLC.

I use a 280 mm with push/pull to cool it.

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false flag operation

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Their lying

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6714 @ 5.2Ghz
what the fuck, that's a very low result.
6700k gets 5582 @ 4.3Ghz
which means the IPC is the same.
So AMD has managed to hit the IPC of the first skylake? lol

what is embarrassing is that "someone" was intel marketing department

I want to see you try x264 streaming or how long video encoding will take for you on your i5-8400. Hell, anything that isn't gaymen.

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Yep, Intel shill are collectively embarrassing

>So AMD has managed to hit the IPC of the first skylake? lol

>first skylake
>Implying Intel has had any improvements since then