/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

Previous thread: Don't buy anything OTHER THAN IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad T, X, and W/P Series if you want the Real Business Experience™
>Other business laptops are welcome in /tpg/ (Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).

Libreboot-compatible models:
>T60 (check lcd), X60(s/t); X200(s/t. -s requires soldering), T400(s)/500; W500.

Modern models:
>X220/X230 - 12", 768p, cheap and light
>T420/T430 - 14", 900p, widely available, socketed CPU, both Coreboot-compatible (Ivy Bridge CPU support on T420); Quad Core Compatible, Old keyboard swap on *30 series
>T520/530; W520/530 - 15", 1080p, DTR, 32GB RAM on quadcore models, USB 3.0
>T440s - best price/performance ultra portable
>T440p/540p; W540/1 - Last Thinkpads with socketed processors, easily replaceable trackpad (W541 doesn't need trackpad replacement)

Upgraded models:
>X210 - X200/X201, i5 8250u quadcore
>X62 - X61, i5 5250u
>T70 - T60, i7 7700 hq
IPS displays, USB 3.0, m.2 x4, mini dp, no
forum.51nb.com/forum.php?mod=forumdisplay&fid=117

Why ThinkPad?
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet
>Great durability: magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop
>Easy to repair (most models), upgrade & maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model, spare parts easy & cheap to obtain
>The best TrackPoint™, great for those who type a lot or hate niggers swiping their fingers all over a touchpad
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support

>ThinkWiki - Info on ThinkPads & running GNU/Linux on them:
thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki
>BIOS logo booru:
biosimage.booru.org

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redflagdeals.com/deal/computers-electronics/lenovo-door-buster-sale-1219-thinkpad-x1-carbon-1659-thinkpad-x1-yoga-1069-t580/
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Any good thinkpads with touch screen and pen to draw art?

Something that can somewhat emulate a wacom

What is a good refurbished laptop that can still work as a workstation and can also output 1080p video?

X220t or X230t for modern thinkpads with still lots of the "classic" features. The new yoga stuff isn't entirely shit though.
W-series or used P50 if the budget allows.

one of the newer yoga models, could also get an x230t if you want something cheaper but the digitizers are nowhere near as good as the new yoga thinkpads

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What are you using and it's specs? I see you using clip studio paint

Are there any general recommendations for yoga models? Or are they all about the same in terms of performance/price ratio?

yeah thats an x230t, I also have the yoga 460 it's way nicer to draw on and is bigger but that one has a super small stylus, you can use any wacom aes pen with it though. If you get one i'd recommend the bamboo ink
i'm not sure what the performance is like myy 460 is pretty powerful, one good thing about teh 460 is it still has a 2.5 inch sata bay which the x1 carbon doesn't. dont get the ones called s1, 12 or 14 they are old and seem fairly trash although ive never used one. I think models to go for would be x1 yoga, 260, 460 or 370

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hi /tpg/ and a bit of follow up question to the other post
I need a carry-around laptop for office work and some light usage (non-professional) of Photoshop and lightroom, maybe a bit of drawing too.
I'm looking at T480s with WQHD screen or T490s with fhd screen because user told me, in the previous thread, that the t480s fhd screen is ass. or are there other laptops that could fit my needs? Honestly I find the lack of SD card reader on 490s a bit iffy.

lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/yoga/500-series/Yoga-530-14-AMD/p/88YG5001050

I was kinda eyeing for this but I can't find any used and the currently sold as brand new one is 4GB 128GB ssd

dont get that it's not a thinkpad, cheap plastic crap

Kinda wanted a convertible with a nice processing power

Better just get used to having no ports and shit on your laptop if you want a new one. It's funny how laptops from ten years ago was way superior in some aspects than the ones we have today. Having good battery life and thermals is good and all but goddamn I don't want that soldered in ram, weak ass low profile scissor keyboards, usb-c charging ports and shit like that.

At this point in time the only "true" thinkpads that fit the discussion qualifications (having a pen digitizer screen) have shit performance. The ones that have good performance with the proper screen are "cheap plastic crap" by your standards perhaps; but they're also the only models that fit both of the requested specs.
If you have a "proper" thinkpad that can fit the bill without moving goalposts I would readily hear about it, otherwise suck my dick.

What's wrong with USB C charging ports?

I found this baby being sold at $440 burger dollars

>Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga 460 FHD 1080p
>Processor : Intel Core i5 skylake 6300U ( 2.4 - 3 Ghz )
>Ram : 4 GB DDR3L Ram 1600Mhz
>Storage : 256 GB SSD M.2
>Graphic Card : Intel 530 HD Graphics 1.8GB Total

Is this good?

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hai, you might wanna get an 8gb ram dimm though, these machines are single dimm

And here's another one

>Lenovo Thinkpad s1 YOGA
>Intel Core i7-6500U 6thgen SKYLAKE (2.50Ghz turbo boost up to 3.30GHz)
>RAM 8gb
>SSD 256GB
>intel HD 520

$740 burger dollars

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Bought a Dell Lattitude E7450, Core i7-5600U, 16gb ram, 256 ssd, fullhd
- softouch finish sucks and just peels off
- speakers sound a little tinny
- no more dedicated keys for volume+- and mute like in previous model
- not a fan of the rear connector for the power adapter
- keys for screen brightness and keyboard light are far away from the fn button
- need screewdriver to open bottom cover
+ fn + F7 kills all lights and sounds coming from the machine (unobtrusive mode)

Not a huge fan of the design but i got it relatively cheap(299€) compared to a T450 with a similar configuration. I generally like the look of Thinkpads.

I just test-ran gw2 on the m91p's stock iGPU (intel hd2500), relatively impressed by the results actually - That is to say i was surprised it ran at all and at more than 10fps, kek

You guys reckon i will see huge increase in fps if i pop a HD8490 in? A dedicated GPU like that seems better in any case than the aforementioned iGPU solution

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And another one

>Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga 370
>Processor : Intel Core i5 Kabylake 7300U ( 2.6 - 3.2 Ghz )
>Ram : 16 GB DDR4 Ram 2133Mhz
>Storage : 256 GB SSD
>Graphic Card : Intel 620 HD Graphics

$730

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Well all in all, I found these 3 in my local craigslist. Which one is the best purchase?

370 if you got the money for it

probably cant change ram or put a sata drive in there tho

Thought so. Wanted a big ram and a nice processor as well as SSD.

ye they all seem rather high in price. not great deals.

They are weak, they break easily and are hard to replace.

shopping for a laptop for my mum (60)
I got available for a decent price X240 and L430 for somewhat more
pretty sure X240 will more than suffice for any use it might encounter from her
any reason I should not be buying it?

Well the mall price for 370 is 1480 USD.

Our country always had jacked up prices for tech and I really hate it

r8 my new t450 /ptg/

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I'm shopping for a laptop and I currently have two separate use cases:
1) I'm trying to replace my portable photo editing workstation. I want to use a dedicated graphics card and prefer a high-resolution monitor (min. WQHD). It should have a decent amount of RAM (at least 16GB) and at least 1TB of SSD storage.
2) I want a portable solution (14"-13,3") to browse, to code, watch movies (I know no Thinkpad has great sound but its enough) and do office work and do some light photo editing on the spot. An integrated graphics card should be enough.

Originally, I eyeballed the X1 Carbon with the upcoming 4K display enormously but the lack of a dedicated graphics card and the limitation of upgradability of the RAM (16GB soldered) let me down. Also, I may want to upgrade in a few years which isnt possible with the X1 Carbon and I want a more efficient method of thermal cooling hence I prefer the "bigger" 15,6" models. I've looked at the X1 Extreme, the P1 models and a few Ts but ultimately, I'm leaning towards the X1 Extreme as the software can use the hardware of the X1 more as with the P1.

The problem is, that after having lugged around a 2,3kg 15,6" laptop I really want a smaller solution such as a 14" or 13,3" Thinkpad. I've looked at the X1 Carbon again and various other X, T and E models. I think that a minimalistic configuration is enough and I appreciate a high-res screen with large gamuts which brings me back to only a few options. I decided to look deeper into the X395 for just about 1,1k€ and think that it fits my needs for that use case. Upgradeability is not needed there as I intend to just run a lightweight linux and dualboot a Windows 10 to run a few Adobe applications.

So, as it looks now, I'm buying both a X395 and a X1 Extreme for about 3,8k€.

Tell me theres a better option which combines both of the use cases and which is cheaper. I'd love to have the X1 with a dedicated graphics card and the option to have more RAM but thats not the case.

what do i install on my new t430?

Gentoo

Any decent Ryzen APU thinkpads?
I want something that can handle 2006ish gaming and can do 1080p for videos.

after having my T440p for several months, I'm convinced that the Thinkpad chiclet keyboard is one of the best keyboards I've ever typed on. Everything feels so fluent and my WPM has shot up. Most chiclets are trash, but Lenovo seems to have done this one right.

so my coworker has a t460s with 8gb ram and the i5 6300u, the keyboard and palm area are a little bad and also there is a little scratch in the bottom back but other than that is ok, he's giving it for 210usd but since I pointed out the fact that he's a dirty piece of shit, he said 190, is this enough for csgo? i will use this for photoshop and music production, maybe extra light 1080p video, but mostly csgo in kinda low resolution, low graphics just to get all the frames possible (might get a bc cheap 144hz monitor in case this laptop can actually hit more than that constantly) so what do you think? any other "slim" Thinkpad with similar connections and better performance based on my "needs"?

might get a new case or just one of those Amazon skin wraps just to cover the musty ass palm rest, thanks.

I have a T430 chiclet and it's pretty great, honestly. I use an external mechanical keyboard 99% of the time but for when I need to type something on the go it's perfect. I easily go 100+ wpm on it, same as my $150 mechanical keyboard.

i doubt you'll be hitting 144fps on it but it should be playable at a low resolution. even my Intel HD 4000 runs CSGO fine at 1024x768 (around 60fps).

itll be awful for csgo
>runs CSGO fine
>around 60fps
that is far from fine, thats basically unplayable

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if you're a competitive gaming esports autist, maybe. I play it fine. I got up to LEM/SMFC (can't remember) before quitting matchmaking, now I just piss around on kz maps.

alright then i wouldn't play much of jt, but what about the rest? like light work on those programs I mentioned?

also any other recommendations? cause I'm kinda interested in the form factor, connections and design overall, anything better while similar? I looked for other options but I'm not good at this, specifically laptops that have multiple models and configurations

again, thanks for actually answering fast lol

thinkpads aren't meant for gaming, dude. if you really want to game on one, get an external GPU but at that point you're better off just getting a gaming laptop or a normal computer.

although to be fair my T430 does surprisingly well on games, i've played CSGO, TF2 and others without much issues (obviously a low resolution coupled with an FPS config and so on). I'm thinking of giving PS2 emulation a go too (anyone with experience running PCSX2 on a T430?).

will be fine for msot things jsut not vidya

>W-series or used P50 if the budget allows.
Can anyone vouch for this?

Is an X260 (i5-6300U, 256GB SSD, 8GB DDR4, FHD IPS display) worth 400€?

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no buy an x201

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I have a W500, it's only dual core and has the wonky 1680x1050, but it can do Blu-Ray video straight off the blu-ray drive I put in it, no problem.

It's even handled 1080p Hi10p anime (and you know how autisticly high quality anime encodes can be).

It chugs on Twitch, but Twitch is HORRIBLY unoptimized. Plays 1080p youtube like a champ.

I imagine a W520 or W540 with a real 1080p display and a newer i5/i7 will have zero issues.

kys weeb

Is $290.00 US a good price for a used W540?

Also, can anyone tell me if these specs are good for video-editing and CAD software?

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T495

Hey /tpg/
Is a ThinkPad t43p worth 45 dollars?
Also, could I use it for modern web browsing?

I guess you could use it for stuff like Jow Forums but it's really starting to get too old for any modern stuff. I mean just go for it if you want an old laptop to mess around with/ a collector hobby thing but don't go in expecting a smooth experience.

t430 or t430s my dudes

My T410 is old as shit so I'm looking for a new laptop. I can't stand the new thinkpad trackpads that don't have actual buttons on the bottom so I was thinking of getting a dell latitude 7490. Are dell business laptops good? I'm mostly looking for something durable enough for me to not worry about knocking it around a bit like I do with my current laptop. Chunks of plastic have fallen off my T410 but she still works, even if just barely.

Hmmm, I see, so I couldn't watch anime on it...
Got it, I will say no to that guy, and will save up for a t420, thanks!

S models before t440s suck

Too expensive, it does not have dedicated graphic card and the CPU is shit (dual core I7)
This laptop is a better deal, but it is a Dell precision around the same year but with graphic card
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What's the better deal?:
>T450 with i5-5200U, 128GB SSD, 8GB RAM, 768p for 240€
>T450s with i5-5300U, 256GB SSD, 12 GB RAM, 1080p for 330€

So I got a good deal on a T440s, but the trackpad is ABSOLUTE GARBAGE.

It's seriously the worst of any laptop I've ever owned.

Are there any options for improving this or am I destined to use a mouse 100% of the time.

I got a T440p and I replaced the trackpad with the T450 one. But try to get the synaptics trackpad, the alps trackpad is not as good.

Sniped an X230T auction on eBay about an hour ago. Looking forward to using it.

you're deliberately looking for tablet memepads? if so, get the cheapest. If not, look for proper T models.

Nah I don't have a laptop right now and I want it to be my portable workstation. Not into gayming though

definitely the 460 yoga then. They're just as solid as T models and the "normal" version (T460) usually comes with a shit TN panel.

I'm looking for one of those but they're stupidly expensive here in my 3rd world poopsock (Chile).

What distro for t61?

Xubuntu

Lenovo is asking way too much for the new X1 Yoga. Why is 8 Gb of RAM still the default?

128GB is way too small, and 768p screens are kinda crap.
I got a T450 with 240GB SSD and 900p screen instead for about 290$ and honestly it's barely enough.
So in this case I think you should definitely go for the T450s.

Because they are "manager" laptops and 8GB is still enough to run conference call or couple excel sheets and powerpoint presentation.

128GB is enough for me
I wonder if the screen is worth the 100€ difference

Same reason my company gives all non-engineer staff macbook airs instead of pros.

the n word, really?

Boomer general.

>*siiiiip* The 380ED, now that was a machine.

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It's fantastic. I don't get people who say that new chicklet keyboards on thinkpads are crap.

I prefer the keyboard of my T440s to my x201.

Layout suck though and lack of separate buttons for volume.

This. I have a W540, and compared to an X60 that I used to use, the keys themselves feel great, good travel, tactile, IMO way better than the old keyboard, but it's a shame they ditched the 7 row.

I'm trying to decide between a t430 and a t440p for my new main laptop. I like how easy it is to install an IPS on the t440p and I think I could probably get more years of use out of one, but I feel like I'd prefer the clasp, the indicators, and the speakers on the t430. Can anyone help sway me?

why is x220 so comfy?

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My first thinkpad recently came in, T420. The display is fine, I'm used to TN panels but some Jow Forumsuys were making it sound like it was horrible.
Should I use trannyboot or not?

>get a docking station for my T420, the mini dock series 3
>allaccordingtokeikaku.jpeg
>notice an increase in temperature
>nanithefuck.png
>use RealTemp, i'm averaging 55C
>remove it from the dock
>averaging 50C

what the fuck was lenovo thinking blocking the vent fan on the left side.

It really is, it's a shame they dropped the 16:10 display going from the x201 to the x220.

finally installed lubuntu on this t30, will be using it to play old games like doom, postal, duke 3d, etc. and watch old adult swim/anime, movies and other shows in the 4:3 aspect ratio.

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comfy

I've burned throough so many fucking laptops in the last few years
asus #1- bad gpu, returned
asus #2- just stopped turning on randomly
msi- fan broke and lapttop doesnt work
xps 13- COIL WHINE
macbook pro- this is my third fucking god damned keyboard please just fucking work god dammit

i hear thinkpads are fucking *TANKS* for durability, thinking of getting one.

should I?

scandi/10

An X220 for $40

It has a blown USB port, no keyboard, and no HDD.

Good cop?

What is the best shitty thinkpad to leave in a rack and essentially use as a keyboard and monitor? Buying right now, first legit answer chooses

T420 or X220 for smaller

dell lattitudes > thinkpads

redflagdeals.com/deal/computers-electronics/lenovo-door-buster-sale-1219-thinkpad-x1-carbon-1659-thinkpad-x1-yoga-1069-t580/

looking for a new laptop and thinking about buying a thinkpad? anybody know if these are good deals? they're in canadian dollars.

So uhhh, x250 or x260? Need that 1080p, eyes gettin' old.

they're basically the same

T420 tn panel isn't that bad but the one on x220 is just fucking atrocious.

Just finishing up x220 nitrocaster fhd mod.

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How are the keyboards on Latitudes and EliteBooks compared to the T60-T400-T410?

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I've used all 3 at work. The Latitude and Elitebook keyboards are still much better than consumer laptops and ultrabooks, however I would still put both the Classic and Modern Thinkpad keybaords a step above. All 3 brands are still a joy to type on. The worst keybaord I've used are the Panasonic Toughbooks with the spillproof membrane.

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Performance is about the same there was no major changes from the 50 to 60 series. I'd see how big the difference in price is and go with whichever has better value.

Keep in mind the 50 series uses ddr3 and the 60 series uses ddr4. So you can save some cash if you already have a set of compatible memory laying around.

I got an x220 stuck in a boot loop for £50, worked fine as soon as I put 7 back on

had 8gb and a 240gb hdd