>Western Digital says that the 13-minute power outage impacted wafers that were processed, the facilities, and production equipment. The company indicates that the incident will reduce its NAND flash wafer supply in Q3 by approximately 6 EB (exabytes), which is believed to be about a half of the company’s quarterly supply of NAND. Toshiba does not disclose the impact the outage will have on its NAND wafer supply in the coming months, but confirms that the fabs are partially suspended at the moment. Keeping in mind that Toshiba generally uses more capacity of the fabs than WD, the impact on its supply could be significantly higher than 6 EB with some estimating that it could be as high as ~9 EB.
I agree it sounds like a bullshit excuse that will be exaggerated to jack prices up.
Christian Martin
It apparently takes two months for NAND Flash wavers to be completed. So the entire two month batch of Flash at that factory is DISCO. Destroyed, Incinerated, Scrapped, Combobulated, Obliterated.
Henry Robinson
The only thing that comes to my mind is that they produces big chunks of chips at the same time and the power outage hit them at most crucial hour.
Cooper Gonzalez
That's what you get for not buying in a shekel recession,
Aiden Powell
Oy vey
Evan Taylor
> How???? Chemicals react more than needed -> logic gates are fugged.
Mason Fisher
They really do half a quarters worth of production all at once? And a multimillion dollar facility doesnt have mission critical power backups?
Srsly the lost income from with is many orders of magnitude greater than a multi KW battery backup/generator system would cost them.
This is price fixing, or maybe they made many batches of chips wrong and didnt do QC till most were done with litho and theyre trying to cover it up
Andrew Russell
well don't buy storage drives for the next 1-2 years.
> toddleresque backup systems they had Wasn't is designed by General Electric? Anyway, I do agree they could've overlooked it, only rigorous QC can help there.
Cooper Roberts
Half the wafers for the entire quarter just happened to be submerged at the time?
Henry Mitchell
What would happen if they sold them anyway?
Joshua Gonzalez
God could have built that backup system. But it wouldn't have done a damn thing against placing that backup system in a low position on site where it can be flooded by sea water during a freak tsunami.
Chase Torres
either all DOA or dying shortly after, and the company being forced to do a recall they won't
Jeremiah Moore
From my limited understanding of lithography, this is how chips are made. Layer after layer, they are submerged in various chemicals all the time. Or most of the time.
Logan Nguyen
Sold what? The NAND wafers are fucked. It's like selling a deflated football after it's been shot by 12Ga birdshot.
Cameron Wilson
> dying shortly after Sounds like a perfect Aliexpress SSD material.
Cooper Smith
Russia recently sold millions of tons of contaminated crude oil. A clusterfuck ensued as ships carrying the oil have been left stranded because the traders who bought the cargo are unable to find end-users. Meanwhile the ships are still getting paid so the traders are losing doubly. To add to the confusion, the Russians said they will compensate the people who bought the defective crude, but only if they are Russian. Non-Russians get fucked.
Christian Reyes
>sell to chinks for a pittance, better than nothing >chinks repackage them and sell for cheap >"Hey this SSD doesn't work" >As Confucius say, you get what you pay for! >sneaky chink closes business doors then reopens them the next day with a new name
Ethan Flores
pries will crawl up
Mason James
Didn't they also start shipping the contaminated oil back to Russia for some super expensive chemical processing?
Nathan Young
Dilution 15-to-1 should do it. 15 regular crude cargoes and 1 contaminated
Now imagine having a suezmax loaded with 1 million barrels waiting for 15 regular shipments before it can fully unload its dirty cargo. Might be waiting over a year. Good money for a ship basically doing nothing.
Joshua Myers
RIP 1TB SSDs for $80, i will miss you. See you again in maybe 2 years.
Jeremiah Butler
SSD toddlers BTFO. Spinning rust wins again.
Bentley Edwards
Power outage 2.0 The next flood excuse isn't due yet.
Ethan Roberts
>Japan >Not chinks Differences?
David Turner
> needs 2 month to complete a batch > no emergency ondulers to save the day why do i even give a fuck about my job ? from now on i'll send non-tested software, who cares anyway
Hunter Watson
>Toshiba and WD >like 10% of the market >affecting anything Hahahahaha
Eli Brooks
>implying that you and all other developer are not already doing that kek.
Ryder Adams
>i-it's an accident. >it won't affect the price. >promise.
Logan Scott
>10% of the market not affecting anything You must be new, and misunderstand the price gauging cartel.
Dominic Gutierrez
i'd answer (you) but there is a 13 minute power outage right now
>God can't elevate back up generators. >God can't figure out the logistics of putting charged batteries on a truck on driving them where they're needed The shit failed because there wasn't back up power for a long time, and they fucked around trying to cover up shit instead of getting power back up. If this shit happened here they'd have a thousand rednecks in trucks hooked up to jumper cables charging batteries to be swapped in until normal power was restored.
Christopher Torres
Well that confirms it. I am getting a Samsung Evo™
Ayden Rodriguez
If anything the Koreans are more likely to dump and lower prices to kill the japs off. NAND has been one steady decline for ages
Its like you dont understand Korean jews at all. Samsung has been trying to keep prices in all time high since China started making NAND.
Xavier Johnson
>If anything the Koreans are more likely to dump and lower prices to kill the japs off If anything you don't understand how price gauging works.
Carson White
>13min outage >oy vey half of 12months supply is ruined! who fucking believes that shit?
Connor Murphy
Looks like I'm gonna buy ADATA then.
Christian Ward
kek So let me get this straight. A 13 minutes power outage is enough to destroy 12.5% of the annual NAND production of one of the biggest producer in the world.
Henry Moore
QUICK!!!
TELL ME THE BEST SSD TO GET BEFORE THE PRICE HIKE
Colton Davis
The gooks and chinks are gonna ride the spike and fuck westerners left and right for a year.
Luke Hughes
I exhaled harder than normal, heres a (you)
Justin Davis
intel optane or samsung 860 evo, whichever is better $/gb
Cooper Jenkins
wafer processing is a very deep pipeline and it's hard to salvage any wafer
Mason Sullivan
But honestly will one manufacturer having issues cause a hike in prices?
Lincoln Davis
You do.
Isaiah Myers
Anything can be used as excuse to reestablish the cartel.
Jace Foster
If only something similar has happened in the past then why might be able to make an attempt at an educated guess.
Henry Martin
>The gooks, and chinks >Doesn't understand that the nips, and round eyes are also in on it. Industry wide collusion, and price gauging cartel...?
David Gray
Thanks. Those evos sure are cheap. I should have paid more attention to ssds and got one a year ago.
Jose Lee
I ask because i honestly do not know. Ive only recently become interested in hardware. PC build virgin here.
Grayson Ross
Curse my trips confirming quads. Any decent places in Germany to get SSDs? Im here for the next couple weeks.
Jason Martin
Kek, glad I bought terabytes of MLC SSDs recently.
Isaac Hall
Oh then the answer is yes. All the companies are in on it, and use every excuse to keep prices high, so everyone makes money. >floods >earthquakes >other natural disasters, and phenomenon and >power outages >fires Affect the prices for everyone whether, or not these things even happened at the factories. I believe that ddr4 ram prices went up, because there was a flood a few cities away from a factory in China, and ddr3 prices went up before that, because nobody made ddr3 for 3 years before ddr4 became standard. If you're wondering the prices didn't go down either after everything went back to normal.
Do you remember how long it took for prices to rise?
Juan Jenkins
So there's a temporary global shortage of har- NAND. All manufacturers up their prices. Seag- WD and Toshiba have a record fiscal quarter. Some time later, production is back to normal. And... prices remain up. Wonderful.
Jaxson Martin
Well ain't that just perfect. We're never going to see 100$ 2TB SSDs if this shit keeps up. The Chinks can't enter this game quickly enough. I hope they absolutely rape the competition with piss cheap products and force these price gouging cunts to slash their prices so it really hurts their profit margins.
Yes. It's an absurdly long production cycle, but it forces you to restart, it would take more time and money to attempt to salvage the wafers.
It's the same reason people are saying Intel is in a jam right now, they can't just plug in a new design and have it ready by the end of the year. It's the same reason Intel had shortages that lasted as long as they did. That said, thankfully Intel has craters of cash and can make up for it with said cash. No idea what WD and Toshiba need to do in order to make up for their losses. Almost certainly going to mean increased prices in storage.
Robert Sanders
Quickly in this case. I'm not certain, but I suspect that this is a last ditch price hike before the chinks get a foothold in the market.
