Unironically, why are there so little women in tech? There's no shortage of them in my university classes for finance or law or business, but in the IT courses the male female ratio is like 10.
On average female test scores are very close to men's, even in specific areas. So why are there so little females?
Because the fascination of manipulating lifeless things (and making living things lifeless) is hardwired into the male hominid brain is main assumption.
Also I would Ashley, Lauren and Miru.
Grayson Wilson
Because tech has historically been a boy's club, so less women get into it at a younger age. That's it.
Asher Bennett
Tech is inherently a male thing, and there is nothing wrong with that.
James Cook
I've worked in three different career paths
Tech, Finance, and Marketing/Administration
They all go to marketing. All of them. They're too stupid for technology and finance, not to mention anything that requires manual labor. Administration and marketing both require hospitality skills and feelings. The only things woman are capable of doing in the short term.
The whole employment demographics is depressing. Women do not belong anywhere in the workforce. They are best to raise the next generation at home and in our neighborhoods. This is why our population is dying and subsequent generations are getting shittier and shittier.
Because they aren't interested in it. Better question is, why do you care enough to make this a thread almost everyday? There's even less women in construction, why? Because they aren't interested in it. Who the fuck cares?
lack of interest because of how society views women. women are more likely to have social jobs that work with people like a teacher or nurse while men are more likely to work with "things" like a mechanic or computer programmer.
Liam Moore
In egalitarian societies people conform more strongly to gender affinities as they are motivated less by financial incentive. Women are inherently more social and steer towards jobs with human interaction. Men are more analytical and interested in the inanimate and mechanical. This has been shown repeatedly in many studies to not be learned or socially constructed and even newborns only days old have shown the same data.
Brandon Gonzalez
Link to studies?
Jaxson Flores
is there an operating system that was mostly written by a woman?
Ada Lovelace doesn't count.
Wyatt Thompson
why? i learned coding by coming in to my secondary school and typing out programs from magazines. there wasn't any rule to say girls couldn't do that. i was the only one at the time with the motivation.
James Rogers
It's not a social construct, we're hardwired this way. Testosterone literally makes you more autistic and manly. Estrogen makes you sentimental and flippant.
Bentley Miller
Shut the fuck up, incel. Everyone is created equal and exactly the same.
Liam Watson
Nobody is saying that you can't, dipshit. Try reading the post again.
William Hughes
>picking dumb generic instathots instead of the only physicist in the grid Dumb.
Joseph Gomez
Just search "gender equality paradox scholary articles"
Most women don't care about it or find it interesting.
Colton Lee
I asked for a link to the studies you mentioned, not a youtube video.
David Price
>Testosterone literally makes you more autistic
gonna need some source on this, most of the autists i know are unquestionably low T while the "manly" testosterone fueled chads i know aren't autistic at all. not even about fucking women or sports or cars or working out or whatever, they really just seem to have no strong, specific interests
Josiah Cook
>hardwired Ah, here comes that geneticist and his fourth grade interpretation of Darwinian theory. There's always one in a discussion about differences in any two groups.
Matthew Ward
dilate
Ryder Mitchell
...
Sebastian Rivera
i believe the bit about estrogen making women more "nurturing", but there is no way testosterone makes you autistic
Are you really looking for sources or just any excuse to deny reality? I could list dozens of studies but you would only look for self validation.
Andrew Parker
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Luke Collins
I'm genuinely interested, go ahead and link them now.
Elijah Nelson
I'm not even the guy who made the claims. It's just interesting you guys only singled out his claims when multiple others were made in the thread.
Ian Rodriguez
Getting into tech does not help them to seek attention which goes against their reason for existence.
Ryder Cook
Of course they can do it, its just that they don't want to. Further more, most men don't want to do it either. Its a very specific skill and interest. Even a slight difference in biological aptitude can have large effects, and when you combine it with social reinforcement the difference becomes even greater. Even if we don't like in a horrible patriarchal society where women are not encouraged and men are, the reality is that if a guy starts coding, he'll meet other men like him and he's likely to make same sex friends, the reality for a woman however is that she'll likely lose same sex friends.
Ryder Perry
What? I'm interested in the subject and wanted to review all the facts. This really shouldn't be an issue if he just links what he's referring to.
Oliver Peterson
Imagine picking anyone other than Eliza.
Nolan Cruz
I didn't mean women couldn't learn programming. I meant that it is deeply a male thing to get interested in tech, and that's why there are far less women in tech. And that is perfectly fine and not a problem by any means.
Nathaniel Stewart
he did tell you how to look it up yourself and you didn't. Literally the first study that comes up if you just google what he told you to google.
I wasn't asking for him to tell me to google, I was asking to review what he had read. Furthermore, the abstract of that article claims that girls performed close to or better than men in the majority of countries they examined (it also appears to be focused on cultural differences in relation to STEM fields). This is why I was interested in what he read; it's become apparent to me at this point that he was just pulling shit out of his ass, though.
Jordan Flores
Being a woman is an easy mode. Tech job is hard, boring and unpleasant. They rather find something more easy.
They're trying to act asian now. The roastie is adapting. Fascinating.
Lincoln Green
>the abstract of that article claims that girls performed close to or better than men in the majority of countries they examined (it also appears to be focused on cultural differences in relation to STEM fields).
Indeed. Nobody is saying women can't do STEM. The point people are making is that women aren't interested in STEM. The cultural aspects the article talks about directly indicates that as women are allowed the freedom to pick academic pursuits independently, they tend to avoid the STEM fields. The only rational reason for that that is biologically driven interest because you've effectively eliminated cultural influence on the students.
Adam James
>in egalitarian societies people conform more strongly to gender affinities as they are motivated less by financial incentive. Women are inherently more social and steer towards jobs with human interaction. Men are more analytical and interested in the inanimate and mechanical. This has been shown repeatedly in many studies to not be learned or socially constructed and even newborns only days old have shown the same data. This was his original claim btw And this is what the study the other guy linked confirms. >we call this the educational-gender-equality paradox. For example, Finland excels in gender equality (World Economic Forum, 2015), its adolescent girls outperform boys in science literacy, and it ranks second in European educational performance (OECD, 2016b). With these high levels of educational performance and overall gender equality, Finland is poised to close the STEM gender gap. Yet, paradoxically, Finland has one of the world’s largest gender gaps in college degrees in STEM fields,and Norway and Sweden, also leading in gender-equality rankings, are not far behind (fewer than 25% of STEM graduates are women) I really don't give two shits if they people who made the study want to find a cultural cause for it either when the claim the original guy made is confirmed right there. It's pretty obvious from the beginning you've been biased towards the cause being societal/cultural instead of biological since you only called out his post. Then you tried to flip flop around and pretend to be neutral. I'm not really I interested in debating with someone who is being dishonest about what position he is arguing from either, so I'm done replying to you.
Jackson Ortiz
because women are stupid. the more HIGH IQ the job, the fewer the women. see physicists, mathematicians, statistician, chemist, IT, programming etc.
Brody Murphy
So it's clear there's no conclusion. Needs further examination. Therefore the claim the guy made were indeed out of his ass.
Daniel Reyes
women are more social than men and both of those involve people far more than IT
Jack Murphy
Please be mentally ill somewhere else
Matthew Lewis
Please spoonfeed me on how you saw any conclusion in that.
Jace Stewart
probably the same reasons you dont run into many competitive and competent female gamers.
Anthony Hernandez
I was in civil engineering we started out pretty close 50/50 but by the end of it there was like 1/10 ratio, interestingly the ones that stuck it out got better grades than most guys. (can't report success after school as I'm a SE now)
Oliver Harris
To compete in STEM you need to be willing to give your life up for it. Women will never do this. Instead they will aim for whatever gives them the highest amount of options (law and medicine or other kinds of counselling/consulting).
Carson Barnes
While partially true most young women and children do not show interest in technology on the level boys do, things like "getting a turn on the computer" at school and having an interest in video games is just so much more rare independent of outside factors.
Evan Morris
I wish I had this screen shot of the results from one of those shitty Women Who Teach girls to code organizations gave like 10 year olds a few starter classes on coding then tested them and they were mortified to find that the boys were marginally (relatively insignificant but noticeable) better than the girls lol.
Nolan Reed
Unironically autism.
4 out of 5 persons with autism are males. Most programmers are slightly inclined towards the autism spectrum. Add balance to the autism male/female ratio and the problem of women in tech will fix itself.
Levi Powell
>le autism meme)))
Benjamin Morris
Imagine being a woman and being told your entire life by other women that there are no women in tech. Then imagine going to your first comp sci class and getting sat next to a fatty that smells. Then imagine having to listen to every person you know tell you every time they learn about your major or interest "Oh thats a pretty male dominated industry isnt it? What got you into it?". Now imagine how hard it must be not to swallow a gun knowing that this will be your entire life if you continue learning in STEM. Congratulations you now know why there are so few women in STEM.
Easton Adams
Tech is hard, and there's right and wrong answers to problems. Women never do anything challenging.
Mason Gomez
You worked them in this order?
Dylan Ramirez
>(((girl)))
Evan Phillips
>pic related wtf is this cancer?
Jackson Miller
Women don't like any difficult subject, that's why they are the majority of teachers and nurses
Michael Sullivan
>tech has historically been a boy's club Wrong. There were a lot (insofar as there were a lot of programmers at the time at all) of female programmers in the mid 20th century. That was when programming wasn't something you could learn in school.
The field became predominantly male with the advent of university programmes with large numbers of graduates.
sort of, but most women just genuinely aren't interested in it either. Notice how despite the massive push to get women in tech, there still aren't any? There's literally zero women at the place I work except for the accountant
Chase Cox
Low IPC
Easton Myers
(you)
Nicholas Ward
>tech is hard So why is it saturated with retards?
Lincoln Kelly
>white Miru is half japanese, and Anzu is fucking turkish.
Jayden Edwards
wtf why is this thread allowed
Asher Foster
Mods are asleep
Jonathan Kelly
this is all due to signals men and women receive all throughout their lives. Do you not know anything of social reproduction? of how humans are a group-learning species? how do you think children learn language? learn social patterns? learn 'good' behaviour (that's specific to their society)? Human's main adaption is imitation (within bounds) so as to further the needs of their group. The reason women aren't interested in tech is, simply, because other women aren't in tech, because men are already dominating the field, which has political origins. The reason it continues today is not because of some biological imperative for women to not be into STEM (as if our so previously-evolved ancestors had any preconception of what 'stem' is, or what use it would have? or do you Really think the whole human species has changed in the last 100 years)
this is wrong and incredibly stupid 'men have the programming gene' or whatever argument is lacking in source and ascientific
Anthony Anderson
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Easton Perez
fucking this all it takes is a moment of critical thought and observation of real life, and hell maybe Asking The Women Themselves, not just loose ponderings of some politicized and mystified notion of 'biology'
but as if anyone here talks to women
Chase Murphy
there's no mods at all, dude, but anyway wtf where's some manners and culture and all shit
Sebastian Campbell
>a lot (insofar as there were a lot of programmers at the time at all) of female programmers that was an extesion of the typist job occupied by female. they're not really programmed in the sense of software engineering, but more like typed the code in the fucking punch cards
>on average test scores are very close to men's it's not like they are bad at it user, it's just that they aren't interested
Jordan Green
this whole thread is full of comments reflecting a fact-value gap nobody wants to address
it is a logical fallacy to assume that because society exists in a certain way today that it must exist that way. Values simply do not imply fact. Of course, that's simply the easiest assumption to make from someone who doesn't -want- things to change, but now we're talking about the real heart of the problem: if anyone were actually okay with women being more involved in tech they would not believe the logical leap that 'women aren't interested in tech' presently means anything at all about how things should be. It's not an argument. It's as lacking of scientific or logical procedure as is saying 'the sky is green, that doesn't mean there's a storm approaching, the sky is just green because it looks green, and we should not change our course.'
Nobody dares ask why women aren't interested in tech because it involves an evaluation of society as a whole and one's role in reproducing that society, which nobody who spends their time on Jow Forums wants to do.
Because we have free society and women are allowed to choose whatever career they want. Women are naturally more people oriented so they don't pursue tech jobs. In countries like Iran where there is more sexism and discrimination, there is lots of women in stem.
Look up gender-equality paradox.
It's not about keeping things unchanged but rather to let society/market be free so it can stay in equilibrium. Do not force anyone to do anything, do not try to change things in a way you think they should be. Just let anyone who is interested in STEM join it. If someone is interested in something else, let them be. Do not divide people by their gender and let the meritocracy and liberty rule it all.
James Foster
If they really are interested in the subject they would pursue it no matter what other people thought. I think that if I am having fun and not bothering others then it is fine to do whatever it is I'm doing. Do women feel the need to do what others tell them to and not what they want to do?
Retards become code monkeys after hearign that there is big money to be made. Exactly why it is saturated.
Evan Nguyen
technology is intensely biased towards "male brained" thinking, this is so obvious I don't know how people who ask this question aren't trolling, surely you've actually met a female at some point in your life
>this is all due to signals men and women receive all throughout their lives no its not you fucking retard men and women have basic characteristics that are the same in every society ever
>it is a logical fallacy to assume that because society exists in a certain way today that it must exist that way. cool, now explain why changing society is any more of a moral imperative than keeping it the same
Carter Perez
>finance and law been around for millennia >women doing just fine in these fields today >b-but tech is historically a boys club
Testosterone stimulates the growth of a brain region that suppresses the social areas of the brain. It happens before you are even born. Except in the gays, where nature makes a whoopsie. Hence men can tolerate interacting with inanimate objects for long hours whereas women prefer working with people. Source: I forgot where. Sorry.