Debian 10

What's your excuse for not installing the GOAT of Linux distributions?

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what does the default Debian 10 desktop look like

LXQT

google says it's gnome + wayland

>wayland
Oh fucking hell. Pass.

Stop posting Rem and debian.
It's an alright distro for desktops, but it's way way behind when it comes to software. I find it great for a homeserver, but fuck using that on the desktop.

good thing linux on the desktop is completely irrelevant

Outdated packages, shitty package manager, questionable ethical practices.

So when are they actually officially releasing Buster? They said they were releasing on the 6th and it's Saturday already in Yurop, and it will be in Burgerland within a few hours.

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>Systemd
>GOAT
Pick one

>Tranny distro
No thanks

im not spending hours only to have the mbr put on the install medium again

try devuan because systemd is invasive malware and literally worse than hitler and m$.

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I'll consider going back to Debian when they ditch Python 2, like Ubuntu, Arch and various other distros have already done.

I'm guessing Debian will finally let go of Python 2 in about 2024

can you not type python3?

>huge breasted girl
nice

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I wanted a kernel from this decade.

This guy gets it.

Upgrade to a new OS release where already the packages and kernel are out of date? Sure why not.

Arch still works fine that's why, if Arch ever dies though maybe I'll look at Debian

>thinks stable is the only version
>thinks you need another distro for a different DE
if the desktop market is friends like you, there'll never be a Year of the Linux Desktop

but isn't arch for pedos?
only see pedos post about arch, at least image post anyway.

It's not stable yet?

>but isn't arch for pedos?
The whole Linux is for pedos only.

me browsing Jow Forums comfy on debian stable

thanks winfag
enjoy ur NSA botnet windows 10
>and virus ridden windows 7 soon

>What's your excuse for not installing the GOAT of Linux distributions?

I am already running Xubuntu.

Make sure to check your location for a release party!

"There will be more than 37 Debian buster release parties in 23 different countries and some of them already started"

wiki.debian.org/ReleasePartyBuster
#ReleasingDebianBuster

Check the release updates here!
micronews.debian.org/

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I'm having a release party in my basement.

None of you are invited.

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Is it safe to upgrade? What are the errors?

>winfag
Wrong.

Sounds comfy even though I don't like people.

because i’m still liking xubuntu

Not officially but it's been full frozen since March which is almost stable.

If you're using Debian on servers you should read the release notes and wait days/couple weeks till everything is 100% bullet proof. If you're using Debian in desktop, it's not a problem unless you've added tons of third party repos where if so, you just have to disable them temporarily while you upgrade the system.

>almost
That's the key word.

don't have any 3rd party repos and am using desktop

Slackware

So how long until amd64 images are downloadable?

it is too good for average Jow Forums poster
works out of the box and stable
look at them, they think it comes with one DE and has outdated packages

I'm having my party in Jow Forums

I'll be burning some CDs to pass out with the net-installer.

Wish I had a CD labeler so I don't get bullied but it'll have to do..
Maybe I'll bring a case of root beer.

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Let us in anons!
We promise to leave the macbooks at home this time.

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Epic release

I need old packages for a bit longer. Upgrading in 2 months.

>desktop
OP never mentioned anything about the desktop.
But I already have.

You're going to have to censor Rem's boobs if you want to use Debian.

This guy can't even set the margins on his typewriter properly.

or make her flat and add a penis. that would defiantly please debian fags

cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current-live/amd64/iso-hybrid/
choose

>9.9.0

sid user reporting in

post uname -r

i dont fuck with the kernel so 4.19.0-5-amd64

Man why is that anime so shitty

have you read the webnovel?

>it's way way behind
do you actually use linux?

Because I don't want to run ancient software under the guise of stability.

Fedora has never steered me wrong.

>what are backports
>what are Flatpak
>what are Snaps
>what is AppImage
>what is Guix
Do you fap to version numbers or something? If your system is working and receiving security updates, then there's no need to use foo 2.4 instead of foo 2.3.

For the programs that really need to be updated (Firefox, LibreOffice, FFMPEG, etc.) There are plenty of options to update without breaking the OS' stability.

How dare people want features and upstream bugfixes. Freezing version numbers is a retarded way to maintain stability.

I have no will and I have no chance.

Debian sucks.
I use Arch, btw.

thanks for the beta test, rolling-release cuck, enjoy those mainline CVEs

>How dare people want features and upstream bugfixes
I get your point but somethings those upstream bugfixes brings new ones, and then you need to wait again or manually configure/install/downgrade the package, etc. It's a never end cycling. Most of them are quick to fix but others(especially kernel related) can be a nightmare(that's why you should always use a LTS kernel).
On Debian, you install it once and you never fear any of that. Upgrading every 2/3 years and it never broke a single thing while doing it. In the meantime, the few updates are security and serious bugs only which makes you never have to fear what will happen tomorrow or 2 weeks from now if I update the system.

Where the fuck is it? Didnt they have enough time to test the images alredy?

Oh god I'm having such a beta testing experience, never experiencing bugs or crashes, while using the newest packages on Fedora. Oh the horror.

Based.

>Fedora
>Rolling release
Yeah, no.
Honestly, I much prefer the risk of new bugs than waiting around for 2 years for new packages to roll in.

centOS is the best linux distro by far
dedian is an unstable, perpetually outdated mess

systemd

Debian is problematic:

- Ancient packages. There might be ways to get more up-to-date repositories but this thread is about the release of 10 stable.
- It's 2019 and Debian is still a mix of init scripts and unit files
- Documentation is not very good compared to other distros
- The output of apt is too verbose
- Units are automatically enabled after installation
- Packaging is a pain
- The standard way to install third party software is to add a repository

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those init scripts come in handy for chroots and containers, fuck systemd

No. Even when the anime is always shittier than the source, it reveals it's another of those 2deep plots, with the MC being an insufferable no personality canvas.

>- It's 2019 and Debian is still a mix of init scripts and unit files
To support platforms systemd doesn't support.
>- The output of apt is too verbose
See a psychologist to check your autism.
>- Packaging is a pain
Just because you are too fucking dumb to do it, it doesn't make is hard
>- The standard way to install third party software is to add a repository
Not even you can explain why this is bad.

2/10 made me reply. Fuck off back to Windows, Manjaro or get a Mac.

>To support platforms systemd doesn't support.
To support the .005% of autist who use such platforms they force all users to deal with both init scripts and unit files.
>See a psychologist to check your autism.
See an ophthalmologist to check your eyes.
>Just because you are too fucking dumb to do it, it doesn't make is hard
Not even you can deny that packaging for other distros is easier.
>Not even you can explain why this is bad.
Because everyone who controls the repository has full root access to every user.

Educate yourself.

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Updates don't always bring new features or fix bugs and may actually have serious regressions. It may be OK for a casual user to deal with regressions, but not for a company or professional users.

Case in point: one of the releases of Inkscape was completely incompatible with .svg created by older versions. Which meant a lot of users suddenly were unable to open their projects; Wine had .msi support broken for a couple of releases, GNOME updates may remove important features like desktop icons or the ability to run X programs as root, etcetera.
>Freezing version numbers is a retarded way to maintain stability.
It's, sadly, the only way to guarantee stability considering how packaging on GNU/Linux works. An update to iptables broke GUFW for a week and an update to ALSA broke PulseAudio for three days on Debian Unstable and Arch last week. That's unacceptable for a production machine, which is why all stable GNU/Linux versions are LTS releases with old packages.

>last week
Last year*

Case in point: Firefox regressed its extension support and still refuse to fix this bug. That's why my company refuses to upgrade.

Firefox announced they would deprecate XUL two years in advance. Developers had two years to fix their shit but they didn't.

As for why was XUL deprecated: it was unsafe and prevented Mozilla from modifying Gecko or the JavaScript engine.

Excuses. Typical.

What excuses? Those are the reasons to deprecate XUL. It made no sense to keep it.

>It may be OK for a casual user to deal with regressions, but not for a company or professional users.
It's ok for me so you must be wrong.

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>It made no sense to keep it.
Ever heard of stability? That's what professionals care about. This is why firefox is not used in the workplace and becoming irrelevant.

XUL extensions are unstable though. They depend on the browser, so any update to the browser itself can break them.

Every minor FF update there were a bunch of bugreports about broken addons. It simply made no sense to keep doing that considering Mozilla wants to change the web engine itself.

Web Extensions are designed to not break on updates.

With XUL: My workflow works. Without XUL: My workflow breaks. Us professionals care about getting shit done. What we don't care about is nerd shit like "web engines" and other excuses.

Both are very good, don't say false shit.

The only distro more outdated than debian is centos.

Using vim shortcuts to switch between your Jow Forums and ExHentai tabs is not a "workflow" nor is it "proffessional." It's been almost 2 years since XUL was deprecated and pretty much everything has been ported already to WebExtensions since, surprise, most addons were already available for Chrome anyways.

>- Packaging is a pain
checkinstall make install
WOW SO HARD GUISE

>Documentation is not very good compared to other distros
The only good point you made. It lacks when compared to arch and gentoo's documentation.

And now for a short 90 pages introduction to debian packaging: debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial.en.pdf

That's why people wrote fucking checkinstall you stupid fuck.
>hurr I use computor to browse animays, is no good for automation

checkinstall isn't even mentioned in that document. so there appear to be multiple competing ways to package for debian. diversity above consistency.

i don't entirely disagree, but it's definitely not much better to be stuck on a version for 2 years if there is a known bug that wont get fixed. I guess we've a difference of opinion.

then uninstall systemd?

try torrent

>packaging is hard
>noo I mean packaging is not consistent!!
move goalposts harder you massive faggot

>can't even quote properly
did apt break your mouse driver?

>apt
More like Pacman or DNF.

all of your points are on point, unironically.
used debian myself for a few years.
adding on top of that, the whole package manager's tools are a mess
really wonders why they are doing there
debian is stuck in the 2000s