AdoredTV on Zen 2 Boost Clocks

I'm still going to buy it regardless of this. Still seems like a good all around cpu and I'm in dire need of an upgrade. Guess it's shitty for people that was expecting more but I personally still like it.

hahaha who is this guy? hahahaha

>12 core cpu can't reach 4,6 all-core oc within a limited power budget
imagine my shock.

and intel doesn't advertise avx offsets

>I never expected Ryzen to win

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No, you misunderstand.

Any Zen2 CPU currently cannot hit that clock speed without some top shit tier binning or LN2. It's 7nm hitting AMD in the balls, and they didn't have the courage to speak up.

We've seen Intel drop clockspeed on their 10nm chips, because that's the natural consequence of dropping node size. The problem here is AMD inflated the true maximum clockspeed.

What you see advertised on the box is the maximum clock speed that chip might ever see.

Then jims right and they're gonna get sued for false advertisement sucks to be them.

How important are the clockspeeds if the IPC is higher?

Tim from HWU was vindicated.

Adored is an idiot who needs to be shut up.

t. Will be purchasing a 3600 and jumping to intel 10nm if they sort it out quickly.

I wanted for Sunny cove to release earlier, thanks a lot Jim.

Why do you want to "upgrade" so quickly? Shouldn't a decent CPU last at least ~3-5 years these days?

Absolute truth, but so is the fact AMD "boost clocks" are some shady shit here. I hope they do get sued indeed if it stays like that.

two different builds. one machine for VMwork, the other for gayming and emulation.

Like I said, I'd love to see the intel shills advertise the 10nm parts, after shilling clockspeed so hard. just for fun.

aren't original skylake's boost clocks single-core too?

He works for Incel

also, a responsible programmer should be able to test for both cpu vendors.

Also as it stand there really is zero point in buying an -X SKU cpu and X570 chipset motherboard because you won't get more than 100-200Mhz max OC compared to boost clocks anyway. I can see why AMD left all of their chips unlocked, it doesn't really make any difference in performance.

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it's either that, or undercooked AGESA.

Overclocking is basically dead now except for vanity e-peen contests with LN2. Same goes for GPUs.

this. Imagine buying an intentionally gimped product and having the main selling point as "you can overclock it :DDD".

Fuck intel for still doing this. Both AMD and Nvidia give us products that perform at maximum capacity out of the box

>Overclocking is dead because AMD can't overclock
Okay. Whatever you drones say.

9900KS is that product.

Now if it replaces the 9900K outright, it'll be a good justification, if not. Then it's going to be hard selling this rebrand.

Thanks to Adored, Sunny Cove will now be delayed and 10nm development will slow down again.

I'm fairly certain he has always been very vocal about compute performance and productivity, not gaming.

it really is dead, except for touting bullshit.

I'd rather not overclock my 9900K. Which is why I would really like a lower clocked i7 with 9900K performance. That's what I justified my Wolfdale Core 2 purchase against the Phenom X3 with.

>all these faggots following """tech""" e-celeb retards
just delete this board already
it is truly summer and it's full of faggots and gaymers

kys all

Overclocking potential, to me, was just an indicator of processor longevity in terms of the damage threshold that it physically can take.

this. Young intel fans nowadays are obsessed with Gigahertz and overclocking that they forgot that Core 2 Duo was kicking the Phenom I and II x3's ass with lower clock speeds

Depends. You kinda have to overclock on Intel to get the best possible performance because their boost algorithm is ass for sustained clocks.

AMD's advertised turbo has always been XFR since Zen first launched, and XFR is only reached for very brief periods, and only as thermal margin and power limits allow, and only on 1-2 cores.
This is how XFR always worked. You can go back and read Anandtech's original review which detailed it. Its still the same.

>I'd rather not overclock my 9900K.

Pretty wasteful to not OC a 9900k, you're giving up ~10-15% more perf for 'free' and paying the premium for an unlocked cpu when you could have paid $100 less for a locked 9900.

Still important since with their IPC gain they're still not matching 14nm Intel preformance.

It's closer than Zen+, but still shy of intel due to Intels much more mature 14nm process that can hit 5ghz+ on 8 cores with decent cooling.

What's worse is current rumor is 10nm Intel sees a massive 30%+ increase in IPC, even if 10nm Intel can only clock up to 3.5-4ghz, it should still trounce AMD.

Only time will tell, but Zen 2 is a bit disappointing.

>I'd rather not overclock my 9900K.
If you're paranoid just pick up the $20 OC warranty.
You'll get a free replacement CPU if you fuck yours up OCing.
Better than nothing

You're only saying this because you wish you had some amount of status. But you actually have no friends whatsoever and you hate yourself. Go back to your little hole and don't come out till you man up.

Sunny cove really looking juicy once they figure shit out

>9900K perf with only 4.0 GHz clock.
>chip stacking
>they copy the game cache (they previously did it with Broadwell I think)

>mfw bought my 8700k one and a half year ago
>mfw it's still top of the line and ayymd trash STILL can't beat it
yikes

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>Fuck intel for still doing this
alteast for the 9900k you are literally tapped out before ocing and applying avx offsets and what not. so not really anymore except for lower k cpus

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>~10-15%
more like 0.1%
you can get better improvements tweaking your ram
4.7 allcore to what 5.0? literally nothing happening in games or otherwise

Now I'm just throwing out anything here
But what if those "boost clocks" were a hint from the AMD leaker that the best chips of the model can hit that on an OC?
Granted 3600=3700&3800 on the pic, etc.

haha fucking this, saw already the vid der 8auer did about it

>game cache
Stop that shit. Call it what it is. THICC L3.

>it's 7nm
God you're as big a fool as the rest.
Tell me why GloFos 14/12nm and TSMC's 7nm have the exact same voltage/clock behavior on a Zen design you muppet.

You don't even have anything to say at this point lmao

Yup, Intel is poised to come back hard with 10nm assuming they have worked out yield issues and are capable of clocking up high enough

well what can he say, congrats on wasting your money on obsolete tech?

Boost works on ASrock, Gigabyte and MSI boards. The Problem are asus boards with the buggy bios that are powerlimiting the cpus. overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1728758-strictly-technical-matisse-not-really.html

Boost clock isn't guaranteed all-core OC you know.

That s it i m buying shintel

>overclock.net/forum/10-amd-cpus/1728758-strictly-technical-matisse-not-really.html

>The external power measurements (VRM DCR) revealed that the CPU was consuming significantly more power, than its power management should have allowed it to. I initially suspected that this was AMDs own doing, in an effort trying
to boost the performance of the new CPUs even further, but further investigation indicated otherwise.

Dude, they're saying the ASUS BIOS was artificially fucking around with increased power limits. (ie reporting 90W when it's doing 120W).

>Boost clock isn't guaranteed all-core OC you know.

It was up until AMD started publishing clocks that it's CPUs can never reach in real world scenarios.

From all of the reviews that were released today, not a single reviewers cpu reached the advertised boost clocks on even a single core. As it stands, AMD should be sued for false advertising.

reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/caauqx/3900x_temperatures_clocks_etc/
Clocks
This CPU is meant to be 3.9 stock, 4.6 boost. The same Prime95 test saw a high of 4.5 across all cores, no single core boost, average of 3.6 Running CinebenchR15, single core saw the single core boost to 4.591 (so 4.6).

What motherboard was it? I'm going to buy one. Tell me it was the WS Ace I want to buy that one anyways.

Yes, that is how XFR works. It isn't a guaranteed frequency. It never has been. If the workload is consistently hammering a core then XFR pstate won't be reached. It is for short bursty workloads.

Is there a review of 3800X? I find it odd that everyone reviews 3600 and 3700X which are power saving CPUs that have significant limitations on boosting.

> that have significant limitations on boosting.
No they don't. Their behavior is exactly the same regardless of core count and TDP. The chip exploits available thermal margin when applicable.

I know. But they have lower limits which interfere even with single core boost.
anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar/19

TDP is not unduly limiting these SKUs. The power limit of the chip is not being hit under a workload that taxes 1-2 threads. XFR takes all of this into account. It isn't as simplistic as you think.
The TDP only plays a factor in heavily threaded workloads because that would actually be reaching package power limits.

Zen 2 hits its rated boost clocks single threaded. It was never going to boost to those clocks on all cores. Also a decent third party cooler will work wonders.

>Zen2 hits boost clocks single threaded
Wrong.

> What's worse is current rumor is 10nm Intel sees a massive 30%+ increase in IPC, even if 10nm Intel can only clock up to 3.5-4ghz, it should still trounce AMD.

30%? Are you high? Even Intel said it's up to 18% in their slides, and we don't know what kind of ((tricks)) they used to get those numbers. Until we see actal benchmarks from independent individuals, take any of their claims with a grain of salt.

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Its Winzip where they see the biggest performance uplift. They did public demos of it but everyone seems to have forgotten that.

Only Asus boards have a problem with boost clocks at the moment, retard.

Source?

r/AyyMD

> >chip stacking

I'll believe it when they present solutions to overcome local heat pockets - because those are going to be a bitch.

3800X wasn't included in the official review package. You can expect some reviews once people actually get their hands on the 3800X.

>We've seen Intel drop clockspeed on their 10nm chips,
JIM KELLER said himself, that 10nm would have NO clock regression from 14nm++

>Overclocking is basically dead
pretty much
my water cooled gx1080 will boost to 2,012mhz on it's own and will only do 2,126mhz manually.

>you're giving up ~10-15% more perf for 'free'
Absolute horse shit. You're giving up 5-10% performance in exchange for not having a fucking housefire that draws 200W+ in your system.

>JIM KELLER said himself, that 10nm would have NO clock regression from 14nm++
Link?

>faking out the CPU's power detection
>problem
It's like you enjoy being told what a little bitch you are

I like how inconsistent all these reviewers are. some are claiming amd is now the fastest gaming cpu, others claim intel still retains the crown. Some used intel security patches, others didn't. half of them used 3200mhz ram despite AMD saying 3600 is required for best performance.

I'm waiting to see how the chipset driver that launched 8 hours ago affects things.

It's really a choose your own adventure book at this point.

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Some even paired the stock AMD cooler against aftermarket cooler with intel. Literally what the fuck? These social media tech reviewers are literally clowns.

Are you really gloating about your CPU competing with a $200 bottom of the barrel from AMD?

it was an interview from some you tuber.
i don't member which one.
but Jim keller was adament about the clocks not regressing on the NEW 10nm intel is using.

His ass I'm assuming

>These social media tech reviewers are literally clowns.
Welcome to Jow Forums - consumer technology shitflinging

see

AMD just recently patented a peltier cooling system for die stacking. I didn't look into it too much but it's worth noting.

>I totally remember it I swear!
Right.

I come here to see both intel AND AdoredTV fucked.

And i was not disappointed.

Link? Holy shit that's bad.

Like this?

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You know AyyyMD fucked up if the chief AyyyMD shill is underwhelmed.

>Intel wouldn't fuck it up this badly
good goy

pcgamesn.com/amd/ryzen-3000-memory-overclocking-sweet-spot

>What's worse is current rumor is 10nm Intel sees a massive 30%+ increase in IPC
The fuck did this rumor come from? Intel themselves already confirmed numbers and they were in the 15% or something like that. Also consider that we might not even see desktop 10nm parts this year, making that upcoming 10 core threadlet CPU not only irrelevant but also competing against Zen3, another huge jump in Zen.

techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/2.html

>Shouldn't a decent CPU last at least ~3-5 years these days?
Honestly, I think these CPUs are going to last 3 years at most with the way things are heading. If they figure out 3D stacking and expand to more exotic chiplets, top of the line CPUs from today will look like utter jokes.

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