Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional). >R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value especially used >R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs >R9 3900X/3950X - High end; highest FPS
RAM: >Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks is the only recommendation for a typical dual channel CPU >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 minimum >AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >GTX 1660 - higher fps or for more demanding games >RX 5700 - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RX 5700 / XT - 75-100fps+ in most games >2080ti - Highest possible frames, but poor value 2160p (4K) >RTX 2060 Super Overclocked - budget option >RTX 2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive OpenGL on Windows
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING imgur.com/a/RTbKAxD >AM4 VRM listing: imgur.com/a/U6QXBbh >Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important >A 256GB+ SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >NVMe do not give faster boot/load times than a fast SATA SSD >"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work >Don't use Speccy
Reminder to report cherry picked benchmark spammer(s).
There's been 5 threads hitting bump limit in only 15 hours because of (((him))).
For gaming, just enabling PBO on 3700X seems to usually be the same perf. There's only a handful of games which seem to use the extra cache, but there's also some games which perform a bit lower on the 3900X over the 3700X.
Haven't seen Kingdom Come Deliverence or Star Citizen benchmarks yet, which is a game which will probably do better with more than 8 cores. Lack of the big, well known reviewers testing those games show how much they miss the plot, though.
3700X is great perf/$ for games. 3900X is for productivity.
Caleb Gomez
>CPUs based on current pricing: >>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >>R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming(dGPU optional). >>R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value especially used >>R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs >>R9 3900X/3950X - High end; highest FPS oh no no no
>MFW the 3600 is £189 >MFW the 3700X is £320 FUGGGG Lads, I really want to get the 3700X now, Now if only I could get a job.
Ryan Morgan
Guys I'm gonna buy a 9900k and I need a similar chart for 1151 mobos. Is there any? I have trouble choosing a motherboard for me so I need anything that could help me.
Jack Davis
He's already here, spamming the same 3 games for the rest of his pathetic life.
Daniel Peterson
First time PC builder here, could anyone help me out? I’ve been investigating the subject thoroughly for the past month, but it is still difficult to get the hang of it and choose appropriately. My needs are:
>1000€ for main components >Mainly for gaming; mid to high build >As small as possible (just nothing excessively big)
Yes if you encode, render, or do other things besides or in addition to gaming. If you ONLY game, then the 9900K is still King.
Nathaniel Johnson
Just to note, according to some Overclocking sites and one very upset leaker,"Ryzen 3000 is advertising the absolute max clock in theory" meaning the OC headroom is actually the same as the boost clock, in fact the boost clock is very hard to achieve on some processors.
Seems like the whole PBO is max on the box + a potential 200mhz(?) is pretty much a no-go for anything but the 3600. This could be a bios issue but so far no one except maybe 2 reviewers have done X570 vs X470 and shown that the OC is the same and there is a -3 +2 percent difference in all benchmarks and games. Note that some reviewers are also getting OC stuff above the advertised boost clock so it could be that they're just better at doing this shit.
Mason Long
Should I buy a 3700X for 350€ if I manage to sell my r5 2600 for 100€ or so? I've got a b450 mortar with cl16 3200mhz ram and a decent Noctua Cpu cooler.
I'm targeting 1440p/ultra high refresh, should i get a 2080 or wait for Super?
Grayson Gray
Technically he cant if the other threads have the exact same images.
Lucas Kelly
I would discard the artic cooler and jump to a 2600x that also comes with a better cooler or go with a better GPU like rx 590 or gtx 1660.
Zachary Sullivan
How overkill is a 3700X/1070 for 1080p? I'm intending to upgrade to 1440p/high refresh in the future.
Kayden Williams
does the scheduler fix that's included in windows 1903 need chipset/bios update or not? currently delaying the update until the new bioses are out (msi board), nothing so far today
Colton Nelson
Literally 2 days from now. You'll be waiting on shipping for the same amount of time.
Hunter White
Looking at this image - MSI was the way to go for B450 - you could OC 3900X in it Gigabyte and Asrock fucked up.
Samuel Brown
Getting ready to build with a 4-5k budget
Can somebody explain the current meta surrounding the benefits of more CPU cores going forward for an AE/Premiere/C4D/Octane workstation?
It seems like more cores would always be better, yet tests (pugetsystems) seem to show the 8-10 cored i7s and i9s winning easily over threadrippers.
Are software companies trending towards more multicore-intensive software? I want this to be a workhorse for the next 5 years at least.
Just report. Simple as that. Anyone spamming cherry picked benchmarks on either side without a context (ie if someone genuinely needs help and wants to know what is best for the game they play the most) is spamming and that's against the rules. Might be an okay chart if you included the games and applications tested.
As I said, availability will be poor. It wasn't great on zen+ launch and it'll be harder now.
Adobe shit used to be infamous for not being multithreaded, but the past 2 years they've been updating that a lot. Most everything else, like davinchi's resolve, blender, octane, etc, have already been pretty well threaded
2080S won't be worth it because it's too expensive for 8GB of VRAM. 5700XT or 2070S are what you should be looking for.
You mean 3600. I don't see any reason to go for 3600X over the 3600. Just enable PBO on the 3600.
be quiet is fine.
Julian Young
>What are the odds that Zen 3 will run on x470? 100% be sure to get a board with a fat VRM if you're going for 3900X/3950X
it's mostly for reliability. Cheap VRM will get hot and cook the nearby caps. I'm not saying to go for Crosshair VII, something like X470 Gaming Plus from MSI is fine.
Get an ATX PSU, that's a slimline form factor PSU. ATX will also be cheaper. 3600 is a better buy than an i7, or if you're really on a budget even consider some of the 2000 series they're selling off.
You will pay a big premium for smaller form factor. 1000 euro will get a lot less than it did a few years ago now that GPUs are expensive as fuck.
Owen Sanchez
That is over ambient, right?
Jeremiah Hughes
Because theres a news overload with 3600, 3700x, 3900x, 5700, 5700XT, 2060S, and 2070s. 2080S would be lost since its not out yet
When will B550 be out and will B450 drop in price because of it?
Adrian Bailey
Based and redpilled.
Leo Rodriguez
Can't wait to see what kinds of numbers the 3950x hits. Either their binning process results in surprisingly good CPUs that can actually reach the advertised numbers or it's going to be the biggest disappointment of them all. Seems like so far the 3700x and the 3900x both cap out at 4.3GHz ~ You'd imagine the 3950x to do considerably better due to the binning and the advertised speeds being fairly high.
Brandon Sanchez
when is the 3900x going to be back in stock?
Gabriel Stewart
Should I get DDR4-3600 always with the new line Ryzen line? Or is 3200 okay?
Jason Evans
You will have to excuse my ignorance, but if I am understanding you correctly, are you suggesting that the power supply and micro ATX would not fit? Also, thank you for your help.
Thank you for your input, user.
Alexander Campbell
maybe in a few months
Samuel Flores
Is Fractal Design Define R6 worth extra price for 3700X 5700XT 32GB RAM single SSD build if I'm gonna go with an ATX motherboard and don't intend to overclock anything? Or should I just buy Define C, or something smaller like that?
David Davis
God tier: >AMD CPU + Nvidia GPU
High tier: >Intel CPU + Nvidia GPU
Meh tier: >Amd CPU + AMD GPU
Shit what the fuck are you even doing tier: >Intel CPU + AMD GPU
>it's an "user convinces everyone to build the exact same rig" episode.
Asher Smith
pcpartpicker.com/list/NJgGKB Please rate I'll get the 2080 for cheap, already have 860 evo, 120gb 840, 5tb hdd+1tbhdd. Also fractal design meshify s1 version since it's 80eur and does the job. Is Z series ram maybe better? Should I go for 1000w PSU if I maybe go for SLI one day or SLI stil shit and nvlink is never gonna make it
Kayden Reed
What are some nice X470 mobos these days, any suggestions?
Isaiah Taylor
Eldest goddes tier >intel cpu + intel gpu
Gabriel Williams
>I'll get the 2080 for cheap
How cheap? Might wanna get the 2070 super or wait for the 2080 super instead. Ditch the cooler and buy faster ram instead.
Thomas Roberts
plz no memes
Jonathan Hernandez
>both cap out at 4.3GHz You already know the answer.
Luis Jackson
RISK CPU + Intel GPU
Lucas Barnes
How can it be launch day and AMD's Amazon store still doesn't have any Ryzen Zen 2 processors in stock? Like, not even for preorder for future delivery, just totally unbuyable in the USA. Amazon UK has them.
Chase Perez
I think you mean: street shitter tier >intel cpu + intel gpu
Ryan Martin
The main thing Ryzen 3X00 has been beating Intel in consistently in today's benchmarks has been in workstation/productivity. But if you trust your source then that's fine. Just seems like Intel doesn't even have enterprise in mind anymore.
Yes, but write speeds and max capacity will still be limited to your slowest/smallest one. Alternatively, consider StoreMi, and all the wonderful headaches it brings. >Like failing to Tier properly and destroying your ntfs table >Or windows gaying up your security settings to make access to the tiered drives bluescreen randomly or after sleep >And the notion that you might never be able to recover your data in a unix recovery environment because it's not available for unix. >Or never being able to tell it to clean up what's on the ssd or it not keeping a full copy of everything on the HDD >And it taking over your HDD controller, so nothing ever powers down. Heaps of fun, but it's pretty nice when it's finally working. Keep backups.
Gavin Collins
600 euros, I've been asking a few days ago how the 2080 msi ventus oc fares. By all reviews 2080 is still better then 2070 super. 600euros is still less then starting price in europe if 2070 starting prices are something to compare tho. I'm still waiting for 23 july just to see if the 2080 prices will fall since the card I'm buying is unopened but with 3 months less warranty. >Ditch the cooler and buy faster ram instead. When you say cooler you mean noctua cpu fan? Isn't 3200mhz 14cl ideal for new ryzen? The reviews showed today that 3200mhz cl14 and 3600mhz cl16 perform the same.
Angel Miller
You can likely get 3200 and OC it yourself somewhere between 3533 and 3733.
>pcpartpicker.com/list/NJgGKB Get the MX500 instead. Get a 650W PSU. Wtf do you have 850 for ??? And 2070 Super or 5700XT. 2080 is terrible value unless you're getting it for ~$550.
Sold out. Did you see the Microcenter lines? >no pre-order Pretty sure zen+ was like that as well.
Should it not be 2070S overclocked for budget 4k? Is 2060S really that close?
Jacob Sullivan
better overall board quality to support ram and pcie4.0 speeds, with more power, and the chipset is more expensive. really better boards all around over the x470. nothing really wrong with buying those for 4/6/8 core budget builds.
