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>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on blue titles to see notes
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>How to assemble a PC
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>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>i5 9400F/9600k - Great gaming CPUs
>i7 9700K - Extreme solution for absolute max FPS
>i9 9900K - VM Work / Streaming / Video editing
>i9 9980XE - HEDT
Zen2 CPUs already confirmed by AMD to be worse in gaming than the cheaper equivalent Intel. Only consider them if you care about multithreaded stuff.
RAM:
>Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended
>CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal
>AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing:
>Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty
1080p
>GTX 1660/ti - standard
>RTX 2060/Super - high framerates (requires complementary intel CPU and monitor)
1440p
>RTX 2060 Super - standard
>RTX 2070 Super - high framerates (requires complementary CPU and monitor)
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2080 Super - standard
>RTX 2080Ti
General:
>Always avoid AMD if gaming, actually always avoid it, it's fucking trash
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync
>A 256GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor
>Bottleneck checkers are worthless
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>intel shill text
>>Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync
Any recommendations for this? If they're under $500 that would be great
tbf the last thread was an amd shill op and this is an intel shill op so it balances it out.
AMD sucks.
can someone post mobo and zen2 comparability chart?
will aorus b450 pro work with 3700x?
>he doesnt know
level1techs.com
To summarize some key points:
>For overclocking the 3700X, I found that switching the fan speed from low to high on the physical switch on the Wraith Prism cooler was sufficient to allow 4.3ghz all-core boosts and 4.4 to 4.55ghz 1-thread boosts endlessly (on the test bench, anyway). It took quite a bit of fiddling to get there, though, and I am hoping this is improved via software updates.
>Single thread scores in Cinebench, for me (after a bit of tweaking), were better on the Ryzen 9 system than my test Intel system – even when overclocked -- a 9900K-based system running at 5ghz all-core. Testing with CPU-Z's little built-in benchmark utility put the Ryzen 9 3900X system slightly behind the 9900K for single thread, but the Ryzen 9 system was more than 35% faster in the multithread test.
>I think I've got no choice but to call this one for AMD, at least in real-world scenarios. It's generally the faster CPU now in all the "real-world" testing I've done so far.
>We ran with default Windows 1903 security mitigations. Currently, AMD is much better in this regard. Ryzen 3000 has all hardware mitigations – no real performance loss from mitigations.
>You can see even from the basic built-in CPU-Z benchmark (1t Reference score on the Intel 9900K of about 580 vs our score of about 530) that 1t performance since this sample was added to CPU-Z has overall declined since this sample was added.
>Before the (6/30) update, I was struggling to get even 1t performance on the 3700X at the advertised 4.4ghz boost; more like 4.2Ghz.
>We have every reason to think that the 3700X and the 3900X have been very carefully binned from the outset. But it isn't like you need the overclocking to beat the competing Intel CPUS -- even overclocking my Intel 9900k to 5.1ghz didn't really deliver enough of a performance bump to make up the 1t lead that AMD has in applications like Cinebench R20.
Finally an OP that makes sense.
Best gaming performance/price ratio would you recommend R3600X/NAVI 5700XT or R3600/NAVI 5700?
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3600/5700xt
>intel
>vm work
Tl;dr OC'd 9600k crushes a 3900x in ST.
Yes. You'll need bios version F40 to make it work
cheers
>all the ryzen 3400g reviews are done by literal "who's!?"
I'm all for supporting the little guys but whenever I click on their Vids they're of such extremely poor quality I'd rather wash my dick in a basket of razor blades.
Any got a link to a decent 3400g review?
>Ryzen 9 beats a 9900k in single thread cinebench if you have up to date bios and updates for both CPUs
Suck my cock and read wendells findings again.
99% of Jow Forums doesn't even know what that is
99% of Jow Forums doesn't know
Anyone have the pic with motherboards other than x570 that you can flash bios for zen2 without previous amd cpu? I forgot to save it.
Google is your friend
>no zen2 in europe
Fuck it I'm buying intel. Amd can't even into launches
here you go friend, the image is from reddit by the way if you lose it
So i'm looking at these three boards for the 3700x
asus.com
asrock.com
asrock.com
Could anyone weigh in on asrock vs asus?
Is Gigabyte still shit?
>tfw you can't buy a 1300w psu for your kid's birthday
Both are trash. Get Aorus or MSI for x570
i'm not going over 200 on a mobo
No. Check out buildzoids vrm analysis and anyone who's testing Ryzen 3000 on aorus boards. Theyre good now.
>>tfw you can't buy a 1300w psu for your kid's birthday
They know their market.
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is this good, i have a budget of $740.
Should I upgrade?
>no 3900x in germany
I could get the UK one but amazon currency conversion is often worse than what google says it should be
no
Nah man keep your money and save for a few years. It's not that much better.
Enjoy your trash VRMs then. Dont cry when you can hit stock boost clocks.
>Cinebench
You mean that workload where even second gen Ryzen was almost on par with Intel per clock, a maxed out 3900x barely beats a stock 9900k? Wow!
No, keep it. Do a double upgrade in 2020 with a new monitor if gaymen.
So has this gamercache actually show any performance gains?
What's it suppose to do anyways cause convention would have me think smoother gaming or even greater performance since it can cache a far more amount of lines of code
These CPUs have an insane amount compared to anything else in the market.
>3600 35mb cache
>9900k only 16mb
Okay!
>even overclocking the 9900k to 5.1ghz didnt make a difference
Read Wendells finding again. Anybody who has the 9900k crushing the 3900x in anything has one or all of the following problems:
>1903 doesnt have all mitigations installed
>using Bios AGESA 1.0.0.3 instead of 1.0.0.2 or 1.0.0.3AB on Ryzen
>inequivolent cooling between two processors; using $80 cooler on 9900k and stock on AMD, and/or running fans on low profile for AMD
Benchmarks are all over the place.
cope harder amdrone
zen 2 is shit and got btfo'd, accept it and move on, no amount of bios patches will fix this shit performance
Yes, it's responsible for most of the gayming performance improvements (it alone gives a 20% improvement in CSGO) and helps in pretty much everything. The reason why it doesn't beat Coffee Lake in gaming despite that giant cache is that the clock speeds and memory latency is shit in comparison.
>$214 for 1050ti
what the fuck
pcpartpicker.com/user/Smocaine/saved/g3qPnQ
how's this for 1080p 60fps max settings on current and next gen games? I don't want to upgrade for a few years at least
also that's the monitor I've got now but I'm a tard and didn't buy the HDMI port version so it won't work with the 56, so I'll have to get a new one, lesson learned the hard way
is the case alright too? not sure if there's a better one for a similar price
Hmmm...
If I can get 2600 for $100 should I get it instead? Can always upgrade in the future. The performance gains don't seems worth the price for me(well they do I'm just trying to be cheap).
this belong in Stupid Questions General but, is it worth it to be up to day with drivers for ancient gpu's? I am on a HD 7750 with the 19.2.1 driver and it's asking if i want to get the 19.7 one. These new drivers are obviously more focused on Vega and Navi, so is it worth for the OG GCN?
>Some AMD X470 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Zen 2 CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.
>HDMI port version
If you can't return it you can get adapters for VGA or display port or dvi.
My GPU doesn't have VGA for my ancient monitor so I'm using a displayport adapter.
You are going to keep that screen for at least 3 builds i assume. Do you really see yourself playing 1080p 60fps in that amount of time? Get a better screen you can upgrade towards to, that's what i always do.
Saged
Objectively wrong. Read Wendells findings; significant clock speed differences depending on bios version. Its why Wendell has better scores than most other people. See anandtechs update today. Ryzen already looked good, now its going to be universally seen as the best.
drivers won't make a hell of a lot of difference to anyone not on bleeding edge hardware and games. no big deal to update unless you have an issue, nor really very much risk in updating anyway. it's about as close to fucking nothing as you can get while doing something.
STEP 4
average life of an intel shill
>step one
cope
>step two
shill 14nm ++++++++++++ until 10nm comes out in 2025
>step three
inevitably commit suicide due to lack of human interaction and untreated mental illness that goes untreated in favor of shilling for an israel chip manufacturing company
I thought X470 mobos were fine with the new 3000 series? I just read that as it telling me I'd need to update the BIOS, which is fine
Don't cry, amdgoy
Just tell him to update and be done with it. Its not like its a really old driver he's on right now; 19.2.1 was released Feb 04, 2019. Literally only a few games have been added since.
you need to be able to do that without a CPU installed, called "flashing"
>cope
Imagine an AMDrone telling you you're coping.
people really need to stop creating expectations that are impossible to be met. Even if the results scaled lineary with the ~200MHz clockspeed increase that some reviews were missing in the worst case the gaming performance will remain slightly behind the 9900K. And even if they managed to just scrape by the 9900K, it wouldn't change a thing. The difference is so small it is irrelevant.
Should I go 3600 or 3700x? Upgrading from a 1600.
do AM320M motherboards support dual channel memory?
yesterday they said today, and today they say tomorrow. Will I receive this shit before the weekend? reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
AMD better put the 3700X on amazon today or im gonna have to go shut up their HQ
Yes, I do deny bad benchmarks using out of date BIOS firmware. I do so with repeatable, factual evidence.
Options are, honestly, so fucking limited. Either i buy overpriced 570 or absolute basic 450. I want some middle.
If I'm getting a 3700X should I just get one of the new ~$150 X570 boards or should I get the B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC? They're roughly the same price
How badly should I upgrade cpu/mobo/ram ?
yes, but no ryzen 3000 CPUs
>has 9 more months to develop Zen 2 since 9900k release
>uses a 50% shorter transistor architecture (7nm vs 14nm) than i9
>has more cores and threads than i9
AND IS STILL WORSE IN PERFORMANCE AND MORE EXPENSIVE
NOBODY CAN FUCK UP THIS BADLY
b-BUT NO NO NO NO W-WAIT FOR BIOS PATCHES
HAHAHAH
>GAMERCACHE
>GAMERCORES
>GAME BOOST
>GAMER JIZZ
I love it when amd fanboys say intel are a bunch of gaming children then buy CPU's that are clearly marketed towards 12 year old twinks.
dumb frogposter
>£20 more for the 3600x
why would anyone buy the 3600
I already bought the case and motherboard and I'm from Australia.
au.pcpartpicker.com
Should I go ahead and pull the trigger on a 3600 with a msi b450-A pro for ~$250? I wanted the tomahawk but microcenter is sold out. The board is fine right?
idiot proof thing would be to wait a week on updates then google search the hardware and software just to be sure you don't have to be the beta tester.
but yeah just update.
kind of don't get what's going on with this launch. i swear shopblt had them stock or at least thousands on order when they added them for order a 3 weeks ago and there seems to be very little in the US. maybe you get it, maybe they don't actually have anything. would very much prefer a mid-week launch to this monday morning mystery.
>gamer girl bath water
do you need more power? what do you use your pc for?
please respond
> Vr porn
just get a 9900k.
mostly for gaming, and that other user ain't wrong, sometimes for vr
Don't listen to the other retard the VRM is fine in all the x570 boards, the asrock pro has a usb type c over the phantom gaming and that seems to be the only difference, the asus board has more usb 3.2 gen 2 ports than both asrock boards, personally i would go with asus but that's just preference.
for just gaming you proabably already know the answer. there's not much for you to really upgrade to.
Crosshair for 132, Carbon for 142, Bazooka plus for 94, Tomahawk for 95. How do i meme myself the least from these?
i've been looking at videos of them, buildzoid claims the audio on the asus one sucks?
there's just not much information
==FUCK==
I actually don't know the answer. Should I get the new amd stuff? was thinking of a B450 Tomahawk and a 3600.
Because the 3600 can be overclocked to the same frequency as the 3600x
if you really must upgrade then look for the most expensive gpu you can buy and pick the other parts from there.
or just wait(tm)
i would go with pro carbon
>why
better lan
better audio
no shitty fan
i'm also just wondering if I should just get an old gen mobo in the same price bracket, I can't go higher in price and I really don't want to give up basic things like audio quality. I wont be manually overclocking.
Because the difference is marginal and if you’re starting a new build it would be dumb to get a 3600x not with a x570 mb which is also extra cost compared to a b450 or something