Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming (dGPU optional). >R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value especially used >R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs >R7 3700X - High end, higher FPS. 3900X/9900k is better in some games, but generally only with a 2080Ti @ 1080p. >R9 3900X - Gaming+Streaming/Extreme Productivity
RAM: >Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 minimum >AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >GTX 1660 - higher fps or for more demanding games >RX 5700 - high FPS (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RX 5700 - 75-100fps+ in most games >RTX 2080ti - Highest possible frames, but poor value 2160p (4K) >RTX 2070 Super OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does. >2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive
>Navi launch drivers have issues, particularly with OCing. Wait for non-blowers if considering the XT. 5700 blower is fine, due to low power.
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING imgur.com/a/RTbKAxD >AM4 VRM chart: imgur.com/a/U6QXBbh >Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important >A 256GB+ SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >NVMe don't give faster boot/load times than a fast SATA SSD >"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work >Don't use Speccy
do i want to upgrade from i7-2700k already or wait for AM5?
Brandon White
Is 2400mhz cl17 ram overclocked to 2933mhz cl16 fine for R5 2600?
Landon Morgan
Why in God's name would you recommend the 2080 Ti for 1440p and the 2070 Super for 4K? And why wouldn't you recommend the 2060 Super OC for 1440p and the 2080 Super for 4K?
Lucas Lee
You'd be waiting at least 2 years. Now's a reasonable time for you to upgrade.
Brody Walker
Hey I'm looking to upgrade from my 6600k and now broken 980ti. I play on a 1080p 240hz monitor and play mostly high refresh low fidelity shit like Warframe, WoW, CS:GO. I'm upgrading mostly for the new warframe zones but also in preperation for DOOM eternal primarily but less important is Gears of War 5 and then the new Halo and DIablo 4 when they come out. I don't stream or make videos or anything the only intensive things I do on the computer are video games and video upscaling via SVP/MadVR. I actually spend probably 7 hours a day in chrome and then 5-6 in vidya gaems. This is the current list, any suggestions? pcpartpicker.com/list/bcFc29
Thinking about upgrading my R1600 to a R3800X. I heard XFR2 doesn't work on B350s, is this true and if it is how bad is the performance hit? I heard something like 10%, which is way too much and makes me wonder what would even be the point?
I want to upgrade for several reason -the 1600 has pretty embarrassing single core perfs and it is actually noticeable and I can't take it anymore -I have pretty weak ram (2400, oc'd to 2666) Apparently Ram quality doesn't matter for Zen 2 anymore but how is it really? >I needed to OC my 1600 really hard manually to get ok performances and it runs hot while pulling intel tier energy. Again I was counting on XFR2 because it's actually good this time at boosting automatically, but if it doesn't work on B350 then I'll have to do a manual OC again.
Aiden White
1600x vs 3600/3600x. Any non retarded comparisons yet? Is the difference worth it or is it more like 10-15%?
>Put 3600 into my AB350 PRO4 >Vdrops so shit it can't work stable without cutting frequency to 3ghz and undervolting
Brandon Powell
Is there any performance graph on x265 encoding using ffmpeg for the latest ryzen against existing cpus?
Gavin Taylor
There's a lot of stutter from CPU but i really dont wanna do it now since we're going to get DDR5 soon
Adrian Jackson
But then again, my AIO was failing and memory refused to post in dual channel mode. Sure it clocked at 4.5ghz on 4 cores but it sure wasn't gonna last. I get random memory crashes on idle in windows as well before the upgrade.
if you don't mind paying the premium and only game, "maybe"
Sebastian Cox
Now that the dust has settled, do you really need X570 motherboards for new Ryzens? Do they offer any performance gains or stability compared to X470 or B450?
Not yet, but if you're talking about RPCS3 then it shouldn't be better than the Intel counterparts, because the emulator can make usage of some exclusive Intel instructions to boost performance. That's just me talking though, I can't confirm this.
Charles Cox
>1080p >5700 When vega is 150$ cheaper and run 1080p in 144fps
Liam Flores
They're right based on the ryzen benchmarks I've seen. Also can throw the 8700k in there
Luis Wood
"durr its teh bios intshill" fiasco. Like a possible 5-10% boost in performance overall depending on the bios version in zen2. You're already looking at a 10% upgrade from zen1 assuming faster supported memory, just pulling the number out of my ass. I would check out techpowerup for the full comparison with zen1.
yeah they will give you the highest FPS in most games
Matthew Jenkins
cpus with DDR5 support is 2021. not really 'soon'.
Luis Parker
There has been SSE support for ryzen since zen+.
Andrew Parker
Yeah only demanding thing games although I spend most of my time in a browser. The r7 and r9 aren't significantly cheaper though. I also heard overclocking for amd isn't working right and I over clock as far as possible for 24/7 usage so should I wait for that to be fixed or is it not really broken
Evan Clark
On an msi b450 mortar trying to use bios flashback but i'm not sure if it is working. I do everything the manual says and the led flashes 3 times then goes out. does this mean it has worked or has failed?
Jose Hughes
How dumb of an idea is it to buy a reference 5700XT and slap one of these on it?
Intel is better for RPCS3 because of Intel's secret sauce TSX instruction set, but that doesn't mean Ryzen is inherently bad at it.
Also keep in mind RPCS3 is constantly improving, and not even officially released as something usable yet. I bought a 1600 for RPCS3 on launch and even as a subdued experience, performance for the games I played has gone up over time with no action on my part.
On this listing there is only MSI x470 pro Carbon ac but all I can find for sale is MSI x470 pro Carbon without AC. Does they have same vrm though?
Lucas Turner
Just bought the ryzen 7 2700 for $200, figured the extra $130 for the 3700x wasn't as big of upgrade since I hardly play games nowadays and use a lot of cores programming, got a nice msi b450 gaming pro carbon ac motherboard. And no I didn't want to get the 3600 since I've stuck on a i5 3570k at 4.6ghz since 2012 and wanted 8 cores.
William Reed
I want a Navi 5600 that can match the Vega 56 with a lower TDP.
Jordan Anderson
kind of an ugly example, but nothing particularly wrong with aftermarket coolers.
Gabriel Fisher
it looks retarded but I'm curious as to how well those work
Ethan Jones
Isn't navi 5700 like vega56 tier already? Just more expensive.
Nicholas Garcia
Don't be a pussy, mill your own water block.
Hunter James
just buy a 2080 then
Ethan Lewis
It's ugly, but it blows every factory cooler out of the water.
hey, supposing i want to upgrade my pc that is currently running a FX8350x and a 1080ti with 16 gb of DDR3 ram at 2400 mhz. and a corsair cooler for the the cpu. i am currently using a 2tb hdd and a 1 tb hdd for the OS. what would you reccomend, i am aware i need to replace the motherboard and ram completely for a 3950x CPU. what do you think would be a good set up, i literally don't know jack squat about the in depth stuff of computer parts
Jace Richardson
It sounds like you're willing to wait so, might as well. Id argue alot of price/perf fags are putting the cost of the cooler into the equation since Intel's stock cooler is garbage.
Upgrade to a 9600k to save money and then go for either a 2060 Super or 2070 Super.
Liam Davis
I'm in the same position as you, does the same thing for me, in the msi youtube video it says it can take up to 5 minutes to flash the bios, so I feel like something is wrong since it doesn't take that long at all
Carter Taylor
how about coolers with copper instead of 100% aluminum like MSI ones?
Owen Turner
Barely any faster, $200 more and being replaced in two weeks, why the fuck should he do that?
Jace Collins
Mobo for the new Ryzen CPUs thats comparable to the Asus Maximus Hero VIII mobo? i'm leaving intel forever
The 2070 Super comes out tomorrow, and also purchase a 9700k over a 2700x if you're only playing video games.
Angel Morales
Yeah and 56 with 64 bios is literally 64 in games
Easton Torres
just find whatever Asus board has an equally ridiculous name with X570
Asher Murphy
As far as I'm aware there's no substantial copper GPU coolers.
Andrew Allen
X470 Crosshair 7 is a solid choice.
Joshua Hall
I'm not sure whether the new Navi cards feature the same bolt pattern and overall card layout as the old ones, in other words I'm not sure one of those coolers will just fit them. You may have to way for a cooler redesign for compability.
If you had an open air design card on the other hand you could just take the existing shround and fans off and strap CPU fans to the existing heatsink.
Didn't I already tell you to ditch the AIO? If you wanted to use a custom loop just for the Radeon, just wait for the blocks to arrive and put the whole thing under a custom loop. Or do what the other user said and get the nvidia Super, they're literally the same PCB as the previous ones so the waterblocks are available right now.
alright lads i want to spend $2k usd the listed 2070 here is a placeholder for 2070 super i havent researched monitors but would like 1440p, i dont need 1 ms ultra gamer shit
faster, has raytracing, 2 free games, no work of having to make do it yourself solutions.
Jacob Ward
They also have the shittiest fans and fan controllers in the market so it balances out.
Robert Morgan
i'm willing to change anything on this list if better is recommended
Luis Bennett
>15% make that 30 and you're going to bury amd. nobody will buy ryzen because they are going to see 9700k and 9900k at 300 and 380 and forget amd even exists because it's been so hardcore cemented in their mind that intel makes the better chip.
Jackson Gutierrez
but 9700k is like twice as expensive as 2700x
Connor Bell
oy do the needful
Jayden Smith
How long do think my evga 980ti hybrid will last for playable framerates while not looking like ass? I'm mostly playing at 1080p with 1440p super sampling.
Gabriel Lewis
Just bought some corsair vengeance ram Good enough for a ryzen 1800x?
>open youtube >some chucklefuck posted a "3900X in B350, will it work" video >open it >He's using my exact mobo I got in a package with my 1600 two years ago >it posts >it boots >runs stress test >it maintains a 4GHZ all core boost on stock cooling and voltages >mfw Awwwwwwwwwww sheeeeeeeeeeeeit. Thank you based AMD.
Easton Price
Do you really need x470? The b450 version of the same board is cheaper.
Colton Clark
A Morpheus steamrolls any normal GPU for noise/performance ratio, the games are shit and nobody cares about raytracing.
Also, price difference. Literally not in the same tier.
>9700k That monitor isn't a retarded choice though?
Juan Allen
Building a $1000 pc, monitor included, for my nephew. No oc, primarily for gaming, GPU last for as long as possible, but upgradable in the future. Ideas?
Adam Russell
>Implying the fucking Radeon doesnt come with gaymes Worst fucking reason ever to get a gpu and i hate it when shills bring that shit up for "muh value". The 5700 is not good value but not because the super 2060 comes with a free copy of Control.
Jordan Richardson
X470 has better vrm and I'm planning to oc if it is possible. At least oc my Samsung B die memory. Also only 30e price difference between the two here.
Isaiah Wood
Intel and price-cuts. I'll believe it when I see it. If it does happen it means some deep changes are happening at Intel. Price cuts are in the company's ten commandments, "Thou Shalt Not Lower Prices of Thine Desktop Grade SKUs"
Nathaniel Wright
like 50% scam. there are a few real deals but you can scrape back the same amount buying over a few months checking daily newegg sales so there's not a lot that's really special when it comes to components. can also try buying some things used. picking up used cases is pretty much a steal and ram isn't too hard to come by or likely to go bad.
Matthew Hughes
I have yet to see a GPU come bundled with a game worth buying.
Elijah Long
>240hz gaming For what purpose? Isn't 144hz enough?
Blake Garcia
>GPU last for as long as possible, but upgradable in the future every gpu is upgradable in the future.
Luis Jackson
Muh esports.
Nathan Moore
I want to switch to AMD, but the fact that I have to buy a much more expensive mobo than Intel ones makes it seem much less worth it. Are there any cheap AM4 boards out there?
Cooper Cook
I want to get myself a loonix box for everyday use as after using a GPU-passtrough for almost a year I finally realized it's a meme and not worth the hassle. I'm just gonna get myself a second pc, and came here to ask for advice on some parts.
>#1 Priority: silence >Also #1 Priority: no non-free blobs required (but I can check this one myself later) >Price: whatever
Parts: >CPU Ryzen 3400G Its GPU seems to be just what I need (enough for some meme shaders in mpv and graphics acceleration). I would go for 8c/16t, but since there are no 8c APUs - whatever. I'll be willing to upgrade in the future in case we get 8c/16t APU on zen2 or zen2+. Keep that in mind while helping me choose RAM and MB. >MB no idea, but since I need no PCI-e peripherals I have decided on mATX (ITX is a meme). I have two 1440p displays (60Hz) with DP daisy-chain support. I want to make use of this, so a DP 1.2 is a must. Bonus points for two of those and/or an additional HDMI. >RAM no idea, I think that the faster the better? 2933 is max for 3400G, but in case I'm getting a better APU in the future, maybe it's worth to get something faster. I think I want 16 GiBs, should be plenty. Make that expandable to 32 in the future. >PSU I want something passive, but I also have ye olde Corsair AX860. Should I get a cheapo 600W for my gaymen PC and just use this one in it's passive mode(
Luis Barnes
I don't see anything wrong with the monitor, but it's Freesync. Either make sure it's one of those Freesync compatible G-sync monitors, or just get a G-sync monitor.
Eli Adams
Yeah, i meant the budget does not need to be all in on GPU as i don't mind upgrading it when needed
Hudson Robinson
>he missed the dmc5 REmake 2 bundle lmao what a loser
