Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming (dGPU optional). >R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value especially used >R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs >R7 3700X - High end, higher FPS. 3900X/9900k is better in some games, but generally only with a 2080Ti @ 1080p. >R9 3900X - Gaming+Streaming/Extreme Productivity
RAM: >Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 minimum >AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >GTX 1660 - higher fps or for more demanding games >RX 5700 - high FPS (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RX 5700 - 75-100fps+ in most games >RTX 2080ti - Highest possible frames, but poor value 2160p (4K) >RTX 2070 Super OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does. >2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive
>Navi launch drivers have issues, particularly with OCing. Wait for non-blowers if considering the XT. 5700 blower is fine, due to low power.
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING imgur.com/a/RTbKAxD >AM4 VRM chart: imgur.com/a/U6QXBbh >Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important >A 256GB+ SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >NVMe don't give faster boot/load times than a fast SATA SSD >"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work >Don't use Speccy
>CPUs based on current pricing: >>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >>R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming (dGPU optional). >>R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value especially used >>R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs >>R7 3700X - High end, higher FPS. 3900X/9900k is better in some games, but generally only with a 2080Ti @ 1080p. >>R9 3900X - Gaming+Streaming/Extreme Productivity Anons, please include the 9900k for the best gaymen experience possible. It's completely retarded buying one of those when the 3700x exists, but at least put to be fair to all hardware.
I'm upgrading my RAM and OC my CPU to get an extra year or two milage out of my PC before I finally upgrade. Whats some good benchmarking software that can do both memory latency/speed tests along with CPU benching? I use to use Sissoftware Sandra years back, but holy hell its fucking awful to use today.
Carter King
9900k is already in the OP but intel shills are mentally ill and anally devastated.
>During the first three hours of testing of the AMD Ryzen 9 3900X processor, using the X570 AORUS XTREME board, I noticed the problem when PCMark 8 did not pass the first test after 40 minutes (this is a total of ten tests). I noticed WHEA error (Windows Hardware Error Architecture) in HWInfo64 (se this software for PC telemetry, highly suggested). (...) >We have done some internal gaming tests, but we prefer not to comment or show the numbers for the WHEA errors shown and the frametimes we have observed internally. I don’t know if all Ryzen processors are affected by premature AGESA code and there are problems with NVIDIA drivers, but we will see what other media observed. I rather skip until my own criteria is met. xanxogaming.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-9-3900x-review-english-dethroning-the-intel-core-i9-9900k/
it's not even in it's final form yet. hueheuheuehueh
Oliver Collins
You guys shilled him for months and deserve to be rideculed
It technically is right inside the 3700x, but to leave it as an extra option is disingenuous when it is in fact the best gaymen CPU out there. Again, a fucking retarded buy when the 3900x decimates every CPU out there even in HEDT, but you should include it as an option. Warn about the issues and such a product while also saying it's good for gaymes only. That should be completely fine.
Tyler Rivera
this the only the first super sayian tranformation. mama Lisa stil has another 12 transformations reserved for the latter part of the season.
Post leaks AdoredTV is such a shitstain. He sounds like a doomer whining all the time.
Christopher Richardson
The 9700k and even the 8700k beats both AMD flagships, by single digit fps and they mostly neck and neck, but it's still the truth. Also, not a single ryzen review has thermals which is highly suspect.
he lost his hand trying to distance himself from a self perceived amd bias. I still think he's based. he's just going through an extra harsh phase against amd. And I still think his pre-launch commentary based solely on rumors was pretty sound. As a fanboy i'm happy he ended up being wrong, though.
Dominic Cox
based adored living rent free in your head
Easton Bell
WHY IS AMAZON TAKING SO LONG TO GET RYZEN 3000 CPUs?!
I still watch his vids too, he just needs to go back to compressing papers into a video and offer more speculative analysis instead of muh leakers said this.
Jacob Russell
Holy shit, that's a nice result. This is making me think that 3800x is some kind of a super binned chip that's capable of hitting 5GHz or near it on good cooling. Just imagine if that's actually the case. The 3800x and the 3950x go through extreme binning and manage to hit higher numbers than advertised on the box.
Brayden Peterson
Exclusivity/scarcity can add perceived value to a product, user. Just look at the expensive wine market.
David Wood
This was a surprisingly good review. Never heard of that site before.
I don't think they're holding back the supply to create artificial scarcity. People are simply buying the everliving fuck out of these chips. They're basically sold out everywhere from USA to EU.
Ryder Nelson
Props for getting that far to 6ghz. That cant be the right core voltage though, that board is literally melting in the photo. Still tells us nothing for the binning, the 16 core got to 5.1ghz at the live event.
David Hall
No, it is not. The 3800x exists just to sell the 3900x at $500. You won't get magical headroom with it, it just has a higher base clock.
To summarize some key points: >For overclocking the 3700X, I found that switching the fan speed from low to high on the physical switch on the Wraith Prism cooler was sufficient to allow 4.3ghz all-core boosts and 4.4 to 4.55ghz 1-thread boosts endlessly (on the test bench, anyway). It took quite a bit of fiddling to get there, though, and I am hoping this is improved via software updates. >Single thread scores in Cinebench, for me (after a bit of tweaking), were better on the Ryzen 9 system than my test Intel system – even when overclocked -- a 9900K-based system running at 5ghz all-core. Testing with CPU-Z's little built-in benchmark utility put the Ryzen 9 3900X system slightly behind the 9900K for single thread, but the Ryzen 9 system was more than 35% faster in the multithread test. >I think I've got no choice but to call this one for AMD, at least in real-world scenarios. It's generally the faster CPU now in all the "real-world" testing I've done so far. >We ran with default Windows 1903 security mitigations. Currently, AMD is much better in this regard. Ryzen 3000 has all hardware mitigations – no real performance loss from mitigations. >You can see even from the basic built-in CPU-Z benchmark (1t Reference score on the Intel 9900K of about 580 vs our score of about 530) that 1t performance since this sample was added to CPU-Z has overall declined since this sample was added. >Before the (6/30) update, I was struggling to get even 1t performance on the 3700X at the advertised 4.4ghz boost; more like 4.2Ghz. >We have every reason to think that the 3700X and the 3900X have been very carefully binned from the outset. But it isn't like you need the overclocking to beat the competing Intel CPUS -- even overclocking my Intel 9900k to 5.1ghz didn't really deliver enough of a performance bump to make up the 1t lead that AMD has in applications like Cinebench R20.
Levi Murphy
>rideculed based pajeet
Matthew Kelly
WHY THE FUCK HASN'T IT SHIPPED YET IT'S BEEN OVER 24 HOURS
was planning to upgrade to amd cpu, but i don't think i will see significant improvement from my current i5 6500 when i mostly browes the web and play games (rarely nowdays) on 1080p 60hz.
ill wait till ryzen 4/5xxx series. :(
Logan Hall
so now that the 3600 beats or is comparable to the 9900k. Can we all agree that amd is the gaming king?
On something that raises it a few inches above the ground, but still bellow your desk.
Daniel Diaz
Just ordered the MSI MEG X570 Ace for my upcoming 3950x build. Can't wait for that bugger to hit the market, this is going to be a nice jump from my 5820k. Also there's an MSI campaign that gives you a free AIO cooler when buying these new boards. Going to sell that and make back ~100€ of the board's price. Thank you MSI for the extra discount. Now it's just a waiting game till September.
>going to sell that I hope yo dont plan on running that 3950x with the stock cooler.
Isaac Harris
one thing I noticed. a lot of sites getting quite low st scores even for the OC'ed 9900k, around 480. And msot of those, who fucked that benchmark somehow also ended up with even worse scores for the new ryzen chips; in that 3-5% loss. But I think, wendell, hw unboxed and this dude I found out today all had pretty decent scores, for both cpus, intel and amd, and the trend cases amd was closing the gap even more, up to margin of error territory.
I'll use the NH-15D that I'm currently using. This Noctua pretty much matches high end AIOs. If I were to replace it my only option would be a custom loop. That bonus AIO really serves no other purpose but to be sold. I just hope that MSI still has those coolers left when I finally get the board. Though really it's just extra cherry on top of this. If I can make back 100€ by selling that it's great. If not well no problems.
Robert Sullivan
>update your bios >update the scheduler >patch intel's security What will the next cope be?
Kevin Bennett
Based. Don't listen to Intel poors and their 480p poorfag benchmarks.
I feel you user, i'm also losing my shit over Amazon.
Hudson Green
Yeah thats pretty great then. Cheers.
Kayden Ross
So I have a B450 Pro Carbon AC, no existing ryzen cpu. To be clear, it seems like there is no full release bios for this mobo yet and I am supposed to download .17M on the left, which is beta bios, right?
Theyre using the same GPU you fucking retard. >what will the next fact be?
Grayson Miller
Proabably gpuz not picking up the change, their enemies the Japs got 5.1ghz on LN2 for 3700x and they're pushing 1.5V core. youtube.com/watch?v=Lal_xVyOJIA
Cooper Collins
if you just mean stone or wood floor it doesn't matter. desk gets it away from carpet for less dust.
feel like they don't actually have anything and it's just random canceled orders messing with their system. second time i got to checkout and this time the processor got replaced with a fucking service plan for some reason.
>tfw pozzed my pc build with a 8700k vulnerabilities inside™ last year and now it's not a good move to upgrade to based Ryzen It's not fair intelbros, we got too cocky
Aaron Robinson
They're testing the performance of the GPU with those settings. The GPU becomes the limiting factor not the cpu. Every other modern cpu would reach the same fps.
Matthew Edwards
I have a 4790, should I upgrade? 3600 price looking gooooood
Jacob Robinson
They are testing the combination of CPU and GPU with those settings. Using 4 modern CPUs and the same GPU, they found disparate performance between them in AMDs favor. Fucking cope.
Carter Lee
I am assuming you are waiting on Zen2 or ryzen300.
Correct, E7B85AMS.17M is the only one that works, the v16 will not post with a ryzen3000-series cpu. Your default factory bios will work otherwise with any other Zen or Zen+.
How long did you build that? If you got the money and it's been a few years go for it, but keep in mind you'll likely need better memory too
Bentley Jones
Wait, I see on the MSI B450 Tomahawk and Carbon the support is up to DDR4 3466Mhz. Does that mean I won't be able to go higher, or is it just like some vendor information just for them to save their ass just in case, but I can go higher anyway?
Memory overclock speed is a CPU chipset feature, not a motherboard feature.
Brody Allen
Thank you for the answer. Have you come across any serious issues with the beta?
Adrian Cook
Someone redpill me on ram for zen2, planing to get 3900x with 4 sticks of 8gbs at 3600, would 16gb dual sticks be noticeably better, or we talking couple of points on benchmarks?
you can go higher, as it's dependant on the memory controller in the CPU rather than the motherboard. Some motherboards cannot support higher clocked RAM, but I would say around 90% of them can
Camden Lewis
Those numbers refer to Zen+. Memory speed is tied to the CPU, so you can go as high as Ryzen 3000 can take.
Leo Harris
even faster than the 3600X Shhhh... Don't question. Only rejoice. Also remember 3600 and X are the exact same chip.
hey all, im about to pair a 3700x with a Asus prime x470 Pro. i hope that asus board is good enough (?)
but anyway, i just dont know which RAM to buy. im trying to get white ram with RGB, since it would fit my case and GPU. but performance is more important.
is 3200 CL16 ok? i could get CL14 but that would be with a ugly green colour and no RGB. so im not sure how much difference c16 and c14 in performance for the new ryzen is.
Looking to upgrade with a 3600/3700X in the UK as my 3D rendering/game machine (giving the 2400G I have to my brother). Will either slap a 2070 in there to break the bank and get the tensor core support for Renderman and Arnold, or just a cheap refurbished RX 580 to last a year until I save up some more. Going to visit him for a month soon, buy stuff now or might prices go down? I'm only on 1080p monitors so RX580 in the hopes that RTX cards might be cheaper in a year or two? The render engine peeps seem to be spooging all over tensor core technology so will probably want one eventually but it's not urgent. Advice appreciated.
built my rig in 2013, so that's why i was looking around to upgrade. I honestly just want to squeeze another 6, maybe 7 years again out of my rig and not sure if my 4790 and 16gb ddr3 can reach those years. I mean I barely game anymore anyways, but it would just be nice to upgrade now and not worry about it for a bunch of years like I did with my build now. I guess I should just start saving money now and wait 2-3 years to see what's on the market and upgrade then? Would probably be better CPUs worth paying for the performance improvements then, nowadays my options aren't packing much improvement for my money.
Jack Cox
I have issues with setting the CAS timing on the motherboard, as you can see its defaulting to stupid timings instead of cl16. I have not tried PBO or lck tweaking yet. System was stable for hours on various stress tests and benchmarks. Was able to get 4-8 core 4.3 boost clocks in prime95 and ycruncher on stock settings.
How the fucking Hell do you tell whether a mobo will support a new Ryzen without having to update the BIOS?
Ryder King
Kinda curious about this as well. You can look up RAM compatibility on the mobo manufacturers website (called a QVL most of the time). Though I wonder if the RAM compatibility is CPU dependent or mobo dependent. Can anyone here shed light on this?
Parker Cooper
>subtimings and timings get bdie i dont even know what that is, so im probably not gonna do that, kek.
yeah just wanted to know if there is a huge difference between c14 and c16. normally i wouldnt care but i heard so many people saying that Ryzen needs super good ram or some shit. so i thought i better ask.
so you are saying any 3200+ ram will be totally fine to game with a 3700x? also using 1080ti if thats important.
Andrew Young
Since 1440p is slowly moving to the norm I thought I'd start with that. But here are 1080p with a 2080ti. No excuses
i have a computer that runs a r7 1700 with the wraith spire in a warm cooler master case, and its not noticeable. even with the back of the cast facing me from 2 feet away. should be a similar fan.
Jaxson Roberts
has a "ready for 3000 ryzen" sticker on the box else u go with bios flashback mobos and flash it, like all the msi's and crosshair vii
Matthew Collins
If it's x570
Christopher Richardson
probably just better sample
Jayden Williams
Damn, what's your Vega settings? I get this with a 1700 at 3.85Ghz. Can't wait for the 3700X I ordered to arrive this week.
