Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming >R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming (dGPU optional). >R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value especially used >R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs >R7 3700X - High end, higher FPS. 3900X/9900k is better in some games, but generally only with a 2080Ti @ 1080p. >R9 3900X - Gaming+Streaming/Extreme Productivity
RAM: >Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 minimum >AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >GTX 1660 - higher fps or for more demanding games >RX 5700 - high FPS (requires complementary CPU and monitor) 1440p >RX 5700 - 75-100fps+ in most games >RTX 2080ti - Highest possible frames, but poor value 2160p (4K) >RTX 2070 Super OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does. >2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive
>Navi launch drivers have issues, particularly with OCing. Wait for non-blowers if considering the XT. 5700 blower is fine, due to low power.
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING imgur.com/a/RTbKAxD >AM4 VRM chart: imgur.com/a/U6QXBbh >Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important >SSD Guide (250GB+ SATA bare minimums): i.imgur.com/79MYtoE.png >NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming >"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work >Don't use Speccy
i can't find a benchmark where csgo performance is shown with all of zen 2 initially wanted a 3950x, then linus showed that 3700x performance is better than 3900x, and i worried that 3950x might be even worse then i recalled that amd showed 3600 performance in csgo, and thought that maybe because it is the best so i thought i'd take a look at 3700x vs 3600 performance in csgo, but couldn't find one wat do, pcbg?
Joseph Hall
You have to wait for reviews. Only a few blokes got their hands on 3600 before release.
Jacob Walker
Anyone?
Samuel Richardson
>inventing computers Get a real hobby like sports, Incels
>card released faster and cheaper than novideo equivalent >oh fuck, better point out shit that literally doesn't matter so it looks bad! haha the absolute state of you lad
Christian Butler
Does a backplate need thermal pads? Or did he take them off himself?
Kayden Campbell
3900x and even the 3950x are way too expensive if you're just gaymen. 3700x is the sweet spot imo.
Ryder Gonzalez
Everyone knows that the chad setup now is AMD cpu and Nvidia GPU. AMD cannot into videocards.
Austin Morgan
This
John Parker
the /pcbg/ should be divided into two subthreads: this one which is /pcbgas/ - pcbg AMD shills and the other one somewhere out there /pcbgis/ - pcbg Intel shills
Julian Cox
>temps don't matter, noise don't matter
>Does a backplate need thermal pads? Yes, do transfer heat from components to the backplate and actually cool them, otherwise you are just trapping the heat.
So what will you shitpost about when AIB cards come out with low temps and no noise? Drivers right?
Bentley Ortiz
They have vacuum cooling nigguh.
Benjamin Wilson
>shitpost So pointing out facts is shitposting now, people shouldn't know about this? People should just buy it TM and get a blower not knowing the issues or build quality. How convenient for you AMD stock holder.
Chase King
How convenient that you faggoys never talk about blowers from nshittia but even before the release of navi you drones started theiwing around the "blkwer" buzzword everywhere. Interesting...
Hudson Long
it's louder than radeon vii lmao
Matthew Perez
>people shit on blower cards for years, nvida stopped doing it >yet good old AMD still does it to cut costs and save on cooler money to make a bigger profit >WHY ARE PEOPLE POINTING THIS OUT, JUST LET AMD HAVE A FREE PASS, SO WHAT IF IT'S HOT AND LOUD! THINK OF MY STOCKS! fuck off.
radeon 7 has 3 fans and actual heatsink, navi is a blower what do you expect? That magical fake front intake to make a difference and make it magically cooler and more quiet?
Ian Williams
This is AMDrone shill board what do you expect, really?
>PNY >ASUS >Zotac itt: AMDrones lacking the parts of brain necessary to perceive the difference between AMD's retarded reference design on their card and AIBs cheaping out on their in-house design of nvidia-based cards. >IT'S OKAY WHEN AMD DOES IT! episode 4421
Because all AMDrones can ever do is compare their newest GPUs to Nvidia's previous generation Oh no independent card manufacturers botched their nvidia card designs HOW WILL NVIDIA EVER RECOVER?!
Gavin Sanchez
>nvidia stopped doing it >just trust me bro You realize your example here is from a AIB partner? and here is AIB partner.
Nvidia themselves stopped making blower cards. My statement stands correct. And if somebody really wants a blower card they can buy it from a AIB partner.
AMD on the other hand does it exactly the opposite, they release blowers that normal users can't use and AIB partners must fix it by providing something that isn't shit.
Liam Morgan
>>IT'S OKAY WHEN AMD DOES IT! episode 4421 It literally is in the minds of drones. They are doing jewish shit right now and amd drones are lapping it up because "muh amd is gud guys, so what if they do the exact same shit we have been shitting on nvidia for years.
Leo Jackson
>Oh no independent card manufacturers botched their nvidia card designs HOW WILL NVIDIA EVER RECOVER?! Yes, that means Nvidia themselves are still making blowers, even though they aren't, some AIB partner is, and thus their reference which abandoned blowers is still making blowers Don't ask me to explain that to you again, Nvidiots wouldn't understand
Landon Johnson
yeah i know, i wanted the 3950x purely for bragging rights what i want to know now is whether 3700x or 3600 performs better in csgo
Juan Ward
>yeah i know, i wanted the 3950x purely for bragging rights You mean on Jow Forums or Jow ForumsAMD because everywhere else in the world you'd get laughed at for mentioning AMD.
Liam King
STFU NOVIDEO SHILL. IT USES NVIDIA AND DOESNT MATTER IF ITS AN AIB, ONLY FOR AMD IT DOES
Connor Stewart
if the 3600 and X both boost up to 4.4GHz single when possible, is there any reason to get an X? the only other difference is a slightly higher base clock.
Eli Cook
>2070S is $600 USD in Australia
AAAAHHHHH
Landon Rivera
how retarded would it be to pair a 3700x with a b350-F mobo?
William Nguyen
not stupid at all, just make sure to update your bios
William Powell
do the extra cores not matter as much for temps cause its still a 65w tdp cpu?
Robert Morales
yep, also the VRMs are decent enough. make sure they can breathe and you'll be fine.
James Rodriguez
why would i brag about 16c/32t irl obviously so i can put it in my steam bio
Joshua Jackson
>2070 Super costs $250 AUD more than the 5700XT
Alright lads guess I am getting a 5700XT and watercooling. Fuck jewVIDIA, I actually wanted to buy their cards.
I'm thinking of getting a new PC, but I can't for the life of me choose a monitor. I know I want 1440p 144Hz, and it seems to me IPS > TN (I care about image quality more than being competitive in online shooters, which I don't play much, I usually like single player games). Is the Acer VG270U worth it for about 400$? It seems the best monitor is the Asus ROG Swift PG279Q, but it's 660$ where I live. Since they're both 1440p 144Hz, is the 260$ price difference really justifiable? I don't care about adjusting my screen height too much, only image quality. I heard ghosting can be an issue on IPS panels, but I don't even know what that is - I've only ever used a 60Hz monitor and usually played at lower framerates than that.
Thomas Adams
Most of the stores I've checked through in Australia right now has the cheapest 2070S at $869 AUD. A lot of cards are straight up 2080 prices at $1000 AUD.
5700XT prices on the other hand are $629 AUD at my local store
Lucas Clark
Get a VA panel.
Juan Smith
Is a 4 core 4 thread 4.9ghz skylake part enough for 1440p 144hz? Also should I get: 5700XT, 2070 Super or wait for 2080 super? Coming from a gtx 760
Coming from a GTX760 here myself. It would depend on your budge and local pricing for the GPUs. The CPU should be more than enough still. Definitely not as good price/performance in gaming compared to GPUs.
Mason Rogers
how much better are triple fans compared to double fans also is the 2070 super worth it over the 2060 super
I know the names are getting ridiculous, but >EVGA GeForce RTX 2060 Super XC Ultra Dick is diamonds with dat three slot cooler previously reserved for the 2070 and 2080. I think I've found my next graphics card.
the paste isn't required since the cpu comes with its own cooler and pre-applied you might shave off a degree or two at best, and that's after cleaning off the cooler first
Hunter Turner
450 Carbon AC is like 140, but cheapest 570 goes for 200. So.... sacrifice the extra 60?
Kevin Garcia
>thermal paste for stock cooler >single fan in case, questionable amounts of airflow
Awful looking kb and mouse but I guess beggars can't choosers.
Benjamin Smith
nvidia 2070 super prices dropped to 550 eur finally 2070 and 2060 prices reduction soon 23.7 nvidia super 2080 comes and will lower 2080 prices. So 2080 will become 600-700euros
Luis Long
Damn, the 2060 and 2070 Super price reveal tonight has thrown a wrench in my plans. It's $650 AUD for a RX 5700 XT, and the 2070 Super I was planning on picking up is $890 AUD. I was pretty keen on the AOC AGON 35" uw 120hz G-Sync monitor, but maybe I should just go a comparable Freesync monitor and forget about gay tracing. I've been watching plenty of benchmarks and I'm seeing the 5700 XT perform either similarly or 10% worse than the 2070 Super, while being hotter and louder of course.
Is G-Sync worth spending the extra money? Are AMD cards going to be better in the long run because of both next-gen consoles going AMD?
Carson Ortiz
Depends, do you want or need PCIe 4.0 or a few extra SATA ports?
Mason Russell
I have everything mounted properly, prime95 at 40min gets only up to 73C max cpu temps. However, during mixed benchmarks or an hour of gaming, the case heats up significantly, I get anywhere from 81-83C max cpu temps. So it may not look like it but I have barely any clearance above the Noctua NH-D15S. I wanted to use a 140mm fan above it but it barely fits, the plastic is rubbing against the fins of the cooler. Should I get a low profile fan? Something else I can do to improve case ventilation? I don't think the rear 120mm can vent heat fast enough during mixed gpu&cpu load. Maybe I should add another fan to the Noctua?
new amd cards don't have good linux support yet if that's a factor wait for better cooling solutions from amd they were 750 eur starting, meaning some shops put retarded prices. 550eur is currently asus rog strix 2070 version so yes, 2070 should drop in price.
Brayden Gomez
Short answer: If you don't know, you don't need it.
Do you want to run a RAID of high end SSDs with very high write and read speeds?
Anthony Thompson
when super cards to amazon?
Cooper Lewis
alright thanks ill do that
Brody Lopez
The main reason for price differences of $200 or more is G-Sync. If you use an AMD graphics card you can just get the Freesync monitors. Same applies for newer, higher-quality Freesync monitors and Nvidia cards, although it's probably wasting some potential of high-end Nvidia cards which you paid more than the difference between a freesync and gsync monitor to get over the mid-range cards.
Grayson Stewart
What's a good place to buy cheap Windows keys?
Charles Garcia
somebody put some paste on that chip, it's feeling hot
Any idea what prime day will actually offer in terms of high-end PC components? I want a 1440p 144hz IPS gsync monitor and an NVME wondering if it's worth waiting
Colton Stewart
What's a good RAM for a 3700X without all this gaming shit?
If anyone is interested, I made a crappy JavaScript calculator that makes it easier to use the monitor chart in the OP. codepen.io/user/pen/EBObvZ
Aiden Jackson
How does the Asrock Phantom Gaming X compare to the MSI MEG ACE? Is there even any straightforward metric to compare motherboards at the same price bracket other than brand loyalties?
Jordan Butler
which should I buy, just going to use it for gaymen but I don't want to upgrade in ~3 years
You won't need to with any of them, provided you don't bottleneck your GPU
Logan Jones
3700X as threads become more prevalent, since AMD is dropping these bad boys in consoles and controlling the adoption. Otherwise a 3600.
Noah Barnes
I'm about to do it. Is there anything wrong with this? I know that the 660p is QLC. It's priced like a SATA drive despite having much better performance (as long as you don't fill it past 75% capacity). I don't want to pay 200€ for a "proper" 1 TB M.2 NVMe drive, when it would be bottlenecked by other stuff in most cases anyway. The memory should be Hynix CJR die, which should OC well. Despite having high latency (10.56 ns) at XMP, it could OC up to 3600 MHz CL16, or hopefully at least 3600 MHz CL17. 32 GB B-die is too expensive, so the alternative would be the cheapest 3200 Mhz CL16 for 160€. I'm going with stock cooler for now. If it's too loud, I can just buy a better cooler later. Since the motherboard won't be ready for more than a week, I should have time to change the 3700X into 3800X, if the 3800X starts receiving good reviews, but I think it would need to at least 10% better to justify the price difference, and that seems unlikely (it's +4% on UserBenchmark, but there isn't good enough sample size yet).
3900x vs 9900k? got a 360mm radiator and wanna get a decent overclock going
what's better bros
Nolan Moore
Why include a backplate that will just be a heatrap
Cooper Baker
Should I get a 3600 or a 2700?
Adrian Evans
9700k and LN2 or you can't call yourself an overclocker.
Brandon Reed
for looks, if you haven't noticed amd are going with maximum cost cutting while trying to market the bottom tier solutions as "cool" >look at this cool dent well actually the dent was inside old blowers as well >look at this extra heatsink at the front but it's closed off and does nothing >look at this backplate but it has no pads >"""optimzed""" heatsink but it's exactly like it was before
It's so fuking jewish
Jonathan Morales
you should get yourself killed
Luke James
Ryzen doesn't overclock.
Bentley Murphy
That free xbox game pass is like an insult from AMD. From 3 new AAA games to.... this...
Aiden Jenkins
3900x or 9900k? no plans of overclocking just want a decent cpu
Wyatt Reyes
3600 is going to be better in most cases. I'd only get a 2700 if you really need the extra cores.
