/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Juan Butler
Juan Butler

Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
How to assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g [Embed]

Want help?
State budget & CURRENCY
Post at least some attempt at a parts list
List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming
R3 2200G - Light 30-60fps gaming (dGPU optional).
R5 2600 - Good 60fps+ gaming CPU; great value
R5 3600 - midrange; good for all but the absolute highest end GPUs
R7 3700X - High end, higher FPS.
R9 3900X - Gaming+Streaming/Extreme Productivity. Gaming w/ SMT on flunky due to software scheduling issues. See "more"

RAM:
Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU
CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 minimum
AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

GPUs based on current pricing:
1080p
RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost
GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games
RX 5700 - even higher FPS
1440p
RX 5700 - 75-100fps+ in most games
RTX 2080ti - Highest possible FPS, but poor value
2160p (4K)
RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does.
2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive

Navi launch drivers have issues, esp. w/ OC. Wait for AIB if considering the XT. 5700 blower is alright, due to low power. AIB models come mid-August.

General:
PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important
SSD Guide (250GB+ SATA bare minimums): i.imgur.com/79MYtoE.png
NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming
"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work
Don't use Speccy
AM4 VRMs + Monitors under "more"

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Tyler King
Tyler King

talk me into upgrading now rather than waiting for Cyberpunk 2077

Ayden Collins
Ayden Collins

So, in theory, I could wait until AM5 comes out along with DDR5 in order to try to future proof my next build by updating it again just before they move on to the next socket, but they'll move on so fast that I'm really questioning its feasibility

For example, the first AM4 chipsets, the A320 and B350, came out just two years ago. Even if I tried to carry my case, RAM, and PSU into the next build in order to save money, I would probably have to buy a new motherboard anyway unless I run a three year update cycle which I would never bother with. I don't see any other benefit for doing this with the exception of slightly better RAM.

What do you think? Is this why some people say that future proofing is retarded? What benefit am I missing?

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Brayden Foster
Brayden Foster

just wait for the next big thing next year bro
You're gonna wait forever.

Dominic Anderson
Dominic Anderson

wat get

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Matthew Jones
Matthew Jones

What is more important in regards to a graphics card?
25% more performance
OR
Adaptive Refresh Rate Technology
(I know Nvidia supports freesync now but AMD can never support gsync)

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Jose Gray
Jose Gray

anyone have a thermaltake v21 where their front panel LEDs don't work but the rest of the panel does? like usb ports, reset switch etc

Lincoln Collins
Lincoln Collins

There is no point to the 3800X and the 3900X if the 9900K is priced the same as the 3900X. What was AMD thinking?

Xavier Garcia
Xavier Garcia

9900K
Lol

Landon Williams
Landon Williams

Do they really have to market everything as gaming nowadays? The 3950x can play games but it's better for a workstation.

Jose Allen
Jose Allen

and?

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Gabriel Morales
Gabriel Morales

Just report the people spamming off-topic bait.

windows 7
wat get
Windows 10 or Linux

Sell the monitor. You can probably get a brand new freesync monitor for the price of used gsync trash.
But baring that, having adaptive sync is important. Games which run at <144fps are going to look shit on a 144hz monitor.

It'll be good for games, though.
The problem with the 3900X in a handful of games is likely an Nvidia driver issue. I'm not seeing the same issue of performing lower than the 3700X in some games on 3900X+5700XT tests that I've seen.
If that's the problem, Nvidia will fix it. They don't want to lose sales in the desktop market when 2/3rds of people go AMD CPU.

Jackson Jones
Jackson Jones

Should I get a 3700x or wait for the next intel series for gaming?

Jaxon Anderson
Jaxon Anderson

i quit bros, going to the store now to return the tomahawk. and most likely the 3700x too

Matthew Stewart
Matthew Stewart

Gaymers are free publicity, of course they don't give a shit about gaming in reality, it means nothing.

Leo Price
Leo Price

I DO NOT NEED A FUCKING MONSTROUS 170% PROFIT MARGIN FAG GPU TO PLAY MY STUPID GAME
Why the FUCK does Intel absolutely refuse to make their i5 and i7-XXXXG processors readily available and easy to use?
It has plenty of graphics performance for my needs. It has a better CPU than my mid tower. They're totally overclockable.
Sell it in a standard ITX board and refresh the fucking thing. Intel you licensed from AMD, you can slap a 7nm rDNA card in there for like a 50% performance increase given the same die size.
The 14nm intel CPU+AMD gpu+HBM2 package is the most interesting product to me by far but I am not buying a fucking XPS15 or a NUC and shoving the board into a little box for a desktop.
ALSO
AMD
FUCK YOU
your r5 3400g is TRASH. You are making this thing RIGHT NOW yet you couldn't slap a rdna 7nm GPU on it??? It's probably like 3 clicks of a mouse in your dumb HDL program
It's about 50% as fast as a GTX 760 which launched about EIGHTY FUCKING MONTHS ago for TWO HUNDRED BUCKS.

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Jason Collins
Jason Collins

I use Windows 8.1

Brandon Price
Brandon Price

Looking to grab a 3900x for gaming + dev work.
Will need 32GB for work, what's the best recommendation on RAM timings and mobos?

Ian Anderson
Ian Anderson

i quit bros, going to the store now to return the tomahawk. and most likely the 3700x too
Yay. Go team ryzen!!

Jeremiah Robinson
Jeremiah Robinson

That's what you get for buying intel. Lol

Michael Hughes
Michael Hughes

sell the monitor
Have you ever actually sold a monitor? I had to sell my 27" 1080p 144hz ASUS in 2014 after having it for like a year or two and it actually wasn't worth selling at all. Would have been better off turning it into a electrostimulating sex toy for the amount of money I pocketed after pricing it low enough for shipping to make sense/pricing it high enough to cover shipping.
There are other factors as well.
So given, say $400 just for discussions sake,
25% raw graphics performance on a 5.2ghz Skylake able to utilize said performance
ORRRR
ADAPTIVE SYNC
You're saying adaptive sync right?

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Matthew Morgan
Matthew Morgan

Are ryzen 9 and x570 mobos ready for Linux?
I need to upgrade my 1700 which has that bug.
inb4
he didn't RMA his faulty CPU laughing_whores.jpg
SHUT UP!

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Thomas Ortiz
Thomas Ortiz

just do a 5-7 yr upgrade cycle

Nathan Nguyen
Nathan Nguyen

newegg.com/p/N82E16813119199?Description=asus x570&cm_re=asus_x570-_-13-119-199-_-Product
vs
newegg.com/msi-performance-gaming-b450-gaming-pro-carbon-ac/p/N82E16813144188?Description=gaming pro carbon&cm_re=gaming_pro_carbon-_-13-144-188-_-Product

for 3700x

Christopher Gomez
Christopher Gomez

talk me into upgrading now rather than waiting for Cyberpunk 2077
Lower prices ya mook

Eli Thomas
Eli Thomas

Next intel is just another 14nm++++++++ refresh with new new security vulns.

Use the free upgrade to win10.

get board that meets your needs and isn't gigabyte
get 2x16 3200CL16.

I think there was just recently a microcode update for Linux. Like literally yesterday. Workaround for a systemd bug.

Nolan Foster
Nolan Foster

win10

Jason Butler
Jason Butler

workaround
So, it's temporary fix till they fix it for good?
Guess, I'll wait a bit longer and cope with what I have currently, just in case something else comes up

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Dominic Clark
Dominic Clark

The best Ryzen under the most ideal circumstances is maybe equal to or a tiny bit better than a 9600K
Strictly worse than everything else though
Everyone thinks they're a youtuber or a streamer or are going to main gentoo and compile Firefox nightlies every day for fun
nah son the most demanding any of you faggots do on your home desktop is play games, everything else is done in a web browser these days
Ryzen 3 had to be 4.8-5Ghz to be good.
A 4.8 Ghz all core turbo Zen 2 single CCX 6 core 12 thread part with the largest cache possible would likely be strictly better than 5.2ghz Intel at vidya
but noooope we gon keep waitin boys
maybe Zen 5+++ 2nm will be better than intel for video games

Jack Kelly
Jack Kelly

Good day. I recently added 3 RAM sticks of 8GB each to my prebuilt computer. It was probably a bad idea doing such a thing as a layman but now, my computer won't give signal no matter which sticks I insert or where I insert them. The computer still turns on, but the screen doesn't receive anything. The old RAM stick has 1,5 V written on it, while the newer ones have 1,35 V written on them. Would someone be able to tell me if I broke something irreversibly, and if yes, what I should do to repair it?

Ayden Murphy
Ayden Murphy

get 2x16 3200CL16.
newegg.com/global/pl-en/g-skill-32gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232299
how are these?

Nathaniel Moore
Nathaniel Moore

Is this why some people say that future proofing is retarded?
A lot of the talk against future-proofing is people jelly of people who can afford the initial outlay spend on things like the 2080 ti with the intention of not updating it for a few generations. That's not really a question of future-proofing, just how best to manage money and how often to update with the same amount of cash over different amounts of time.

What is bad when people actually try to "future-proof" is do things like get 32gb of DDR4 in the second half of the lifespan of DDR4 when 16gb of higher quality DDR4 will serve better while DDR4 remains the standard, while presenting less of a "loss" when it's replaced with however many GB of DDR5.

So long story short, there's a lot of bluster about "future proofing" which is just debate about often quite subjective psychological preferences for how to spend money, but there is a fallacy of "future-proofing" which leads people to buy products in quantities or capacities beyond their current personal use case with the expectation that the product will somehow become more useful over time rather than just get replaced by something newer.
16gb vs 32gb is a good example of that. The quantity of DDR4 RAM to have for gaming is not really an issue in the long term because the question of whether to upgrade to DDR5 or not will make itself felt much more keenly much more quickly, and even then, in a long enough window of time for a computer overhaul to be financially reasonable.

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

wait

Jordan Evans
Jordan Evans

take the old ram out and try again

Isaac Parker
Isaac Parker

3200/16 is the best budget option
3600/16 is the best price/perf aim
can be achieved with overclocking
but Ryzen still has its preferences for die types when it comes to overclocking - B Die and E die are better than just any old RAM, even in the same speed and timings

good

Thomas Morris
Thomas Morris

Definitely wait. Clock speeds are seemingly even better which while everyone jokes about is still a strict single thread performance increase when they are already ahead of the competition.
You could buy a 6 core 12 thread part that will likely overclock between 5.3 and 5.4 ghz for $250.
That's insane you won't need an upgrade for like 7 years.
I'm personally waiting for more information about a possible Skylake replacement because really their 14nm+++++ process at this point is really fucking good and if they can get any amount of IPC performance uplift at all out of their arc it's going to be sweet.
Also it pisses me the fuck off that they refuse to slap some EDRAM on their CPUs like they did with the i7 5775c as it would be a strict performance uplift.
very glad I bought 3600 cl16 back in 2016. Even this ancient ass bdie overclocks to 3733 cl14 so the new shit you guys are all buying will probably hit like almost 4k cl14

Nicholas Nelson
Nicholas Nelson

I need some input, this is what I've put thought up so far.
Any recommendations?

pcpartpicker.com/list/KqcNRJ

Thanks.

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Oliver Perez
Oliver Perez

The 3800X is a literally why processor but you're a brain damaged /v/irgin if you can't see the market for the 3900X

Jordan Long
Jordan Long

How would we go about making a spread sheet to determine if the 60, 70, 80 or 80ti line was the superior upgrade cycle dating back to say fermi?
We'll leave out the resale of old gpu price variable because it would make everything way harder.
I'm thinking the 80ti were actually the way to go by skipping certain generations. 980ti is still about equal to the average gpu performance, 1080ti and 780ti were both good.
I'm very interested even though past trends are unlikely to continue given Nvidia charging $1300 for a GPU on an ancient process with half the die wasted on shit that isn't rasterization and doesn't even have HBM which should be mandatory at that price.

Parker Gonzalez
Parker Gonzalez

Any Eurobro here having a Silentium PC Fortis 3 HE1425? Looks like it's everything I need, silent, deported so I can fit big ram sticks on my mobo, cool enough (though not Noctua tier obviously), and most importantly very cheap. Any other AM4 options I should consider?

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Colton Hernandez
Colton Hernandez

The 3600 claims to take a ridiculously low amount of wattage, is this truly the case or is there a hidden facet of computers I should be aware of? I've got this 520W PSU from God knows how long ago but I don't know if I should spend more money to upgrade.

Logan Sanders
Logan Sanders

Thank you, unfortunately trying this didn't solve my problem. I installed one of the new sticks on the first slot and I also tried installing 2 of them on the second and the fourth slot, both times my computer only turned on (the fans did) but the screen received no signal. My cables all seem to be plugged as they were before.

Connor Wright
Connor Wright

Cryorig stuff is mean't to be pretty decent for the moneys

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Cooper Jones
Cooper Jones

is there a hidden facet of computers I should be aware of?

Get 650w power supply because retarded teenager and gayman computer
Find out you never needed that shit
Get a fuckload of hard drives because cumbrain adult and porn computer
Power supply that was previously a waste of money still has enough juice to power the hard drives on your old build. New build is SFW and miniaturized

Things have a way of working out

Jackson Long
Jackson Long

I don't think that Cooler will fit into that case.

Carson Scott
Carson Scott

In my eyes, a GPU has future-proofed itself if it provides the performance of the GPU in the tier below it in the next generation, and two tiers below it in the second generation, provided that the cost of upgrading to both of those CPUs each generation is greater than buying the initial GPU
But the other factor is that buying a higher SKU of the current generation actually provides higher quality performance during the period in which it is the most up to date GPU.
People who support the model of updating every generation view the higher priced SKUs more negatively because they decline in relative performance more over a longer "lifespan" (use span?) than cards which get swapped every generation. But the reality is that 2080 ti gives 2080 ti performance, whereas 2180 will never give 2180 ti performance, nor 2280 performance, nor 2370 performance.
"Everything looks bad if you remember it" as Homer Simpson said.

Thomas Sanders
Thomas Sanders

"Future proofing is retarded" has been a meme since the Sandy Bridge i5's came out and single core performance gains started stalling out. You likely are going to buy and hold your motherboard, ram, and cpu so the cost of upgrading a CPU is non-trival. So now that CPUs are improving slowly it makes sense to invest into them large and hold them. That being said for the majority of users a 3600 or even 2600 will be good for years to come.... a power user could easily consider a 3700x or 3900x depending on workloads

However I'm not convinced "wait for ddr5" makes an incredible amount of sense. First release prices for ram cost a lot. Second this strategy requires you to sell off your old cpu/motherboard/etc when you upgrade because the fact you just re-used your ram makes yoru old computer inoperable.

2080ti is actually retarded as a "future proofing" investment because you get overall superior results from just buying and selling the latest model xx80 card every year. It only makes sense when you have the budget to keep updating it with the latest model. Its different for the CPU market because there isn't the same degree of year over year performance growth.

Asher Rivera
Asher Rivera

What specs are important in Twitch streaming?
I have a 4690K + 2gb GTX 770, 16gbs of ram.
Indie games and a Switch through an internal ElGato HD60 pro.

It seems to do OK at 720p60 but it does stumble at times.

Should I buy a modern GPU and stick it in there?
Would it be beneficial to just upgrade the whole system instead?
Like maybe $4-500 range

Blake Russell
Blake Russell

Old PSUs are unreliable but should normally not turn your computer into happy smoke when they fail. 520w is plenty for that CPU without a GPU though.

People massively overestimate how much power computers use. Computers that draw more than 400w from the wall under load are uncommon. It's only when you start running multiple 2080s when you really see the need for those 1000w power supplies.

Luis Reyes
Luis Reyes

2060 super is an unfortunate pick when radeon 5700 gives you more performance at the same price.
Unless you plan to raid the SSDs, get only one. Also, ryzen chips do ship with OK coolers, you don't need the noctua.
These changes will allow you to then go with a ryzen 3900x CPU.

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Jayden Campbell
Jayden Campbell

CPU core/thread count and memory get weighted more heavily although you can use GPU encoding instead of CPU encoding.

Upload speed determines the maximum quality of your stream.

Personally I would do a full rebuild. Give preference to AMD CPUs and go for however much you want to spend on GPU. Neither of your parts really holds up well in modern games ESPECIALLY if simultaneously streaming.

Leo Morales
Leo Morales

CMOS battery reset. Look it up online.
It's beeter to leave it out for 5minutes minimum.
But is your pc even boot looping though?

Luis Hernandez
Luis Hernandez

Do the new ryzen cpus have the same strict ram requirements? I keep seeing crazy good deals on ram that has better timings and higher speed and I've been thinking about upgrading from my 1700

also any good mobo reviews for the x570 boards?

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Aaron Bennett
Aaron Bennett

2080ti is actually retarded as a "future proofing" investment because you get overall superior results from just buying and selling the latest model xx80 card every year.
You would be clearly objectively right if the XX80 ti didn't provide the best of the best performance during the period in which it is current. For some the premium is worth it to play at the best they can during the period it's current and only swap out once they're fed up with the performance equivalent of 90-95% of next gen's XX80, which is more likely to be two generations down the road from the initial purchase rather than just one.
It also depends on what you end up able to sell the card second hand for, to keep "momentum" going for generational upgrades. A 2080 sold when the 2180 comes out is probably going to recoup more of its initial investment than a 2080 ti sold when the 2280 ti comes out, but it all depends on whether a person is willing and able to play that game to fund their GPU purchases. At the end of the day it's mostly a psychological thing, and for some it's more pleasing to the hind-brain to save up from their income over a longer period of time than it is to flip their graphics card second hand every time a new generation comes out.

Lucas Wright
Lucas Wright

Also silly question but your using ddr3 ram or ddr4?

Jayden Turner
Jayden Turner

pcpartpicker.com/list/KqcNRJ
Looks good to me user.

3900x raises his budget and I really doubt he's going to utilize the performance if he's also planning to use 16gb of ram. If you're going to be using a multithreaded enough workthroad to take advantage of 12 cores you'll also likely be running more than 16gb ram.

5700 sounds like a jet engine and I do like 2060super ATM... although 5700 non-ref cards will be big winners.

James Phillips
James Phillips

2060/2060s/2070/2070s vs 5700/XT is very hard choice right now because of how AMD doesn't work with gsync but nv works with free and gsync
Especially with the new overclocking limit bypass for the 5700 and 5700XT which will never ever happen on Nvidia again. It basically makes the 5700XT == 1080ti/2070s OC
Fuck gsync fuck you Nvidia why did I do this

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Brandon Perry
Brandon Perry

oh nononononon intelbros this can't be happening

1FPS DIFFERENCE

wccftech.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-and-ryzen-5-3600x-cpu-review-asrock-x570-taichi-motherboard/8/

Ethan Green
Ethan Green

Got a freesync monitor and I am trying to cap the framerate from ever going over the monitors refresh rate so I can use v-sync at the same time.
I capped the framerate to something like 135fps, but set the monitor to show me it's refresh rate, it's bounching around wildly betweeen 125hz to 144hz
Even though the fps graph shows pretty much a flat line.

Is the famecap software inaccurate and thus not limiting the fps correctly.
Or is it the monitor that's retarded and doesn't know how to stay in the correct range?

Jace Jackson
Jace Jackson

You're being held back by your CPU mostly.
Im your position, I would survive until September, then grab a Ryzen 3950x + AIB 5700xt.
How old the PSU is isn't as important as what PSU it is.
If it was a good one (say, Corsair HX/HXi/AX) then you're good forever or until it safely stops working.
If it was a shitty one, then you want to replace it regardless. Bad PSUs will kill your hardware.
3900x and budget
The changes I suggested do actually cover for the price difference between 3700x and 3900x.
5700 sounds like a jet engine
That's the 5700xt. The 5700 is alright because it uses less power.
although 5700 non-ref cards will be big winners.
If he isn't in a hurry, then I agree with you that waiting for AIB 5700xt and getting that is the smarter thing to do.

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Jacob Wood
Jacob Wood

The thing is you're going to see less depreciation in value with the lower tier card than the higher tier card. However there is a card for buying the highest tier card and that's A: psychological and B: time savings. It can feel better to do fewer larger leaps... and you spend less time buying/selling. However from a cost/performance standpoint buying low-value parts infrequently makes little sense. There is a sweetspot.

Overall though I don't think you're ever really SAVING money by going with a "ti" card unless you are say... a workstation user who plans to turn your video card into $$$... in which case budgeting the newest ti card every generation may leave you the richest at the end of the day.

Henry Rogers
Henry Rogers

I remember some guy on guts thread having the same case and cooler and it was fine though.
That's why I picked it.

Thanks. I'm quite tired of Radeon GPUs, everything seems to support and be optimized for Nvidia, specially now with Nvidia supporting FreeSync (and my current ultrawide FreeSync is confirmed to work) I see no reason not to use them.

Yeah that's why I picked two, I plan on going RAID 0 since all my important stuff is on my NAS anyways.
A decent board and cooler for the 3700X will at least help it keep it under 60C for PBO to do it's magic all the time.

Good. Thanks.
Yeah it's mostly for gaming, the 3700X seems to be doing good enough, specially with good cooling, when it can keep it's clocks up all the time.

Easton Thompson
Easton Thompson

19.7.1 is shit install 19.6.2

Jacob Gray
Jacob Gray

When you guys say Gigabyte mobos are shit, what am I actually missing?

Whats the best mobo then?

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Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

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Charles Mitchell
Charles Mitchell

powerful multithreaded CPU.
You can do GPU encoding, but the quality is vastly inferior to CPU encoding.
3700X will do streaming fine. 3900X if you want the best possible streaming capabilities (at least until the 3950X comes out, but that's expensive)

gsync
literally no one gives a shit except people who were retarded enough to buy Gsync back when Nvidia didn't support Freesync.

5700 sounds like a jet engine
Stop lying.

Andrew Brooks
Andrew Brooks

Help me optimize my rig
pcpartpicker.com/list/qyZ9fH

Colton Gonzalez
Colton Gonzalez

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Dominic Smith
Dominic Smith

I plan on going RAID 0
SSDs are already fast; there's little benefit from the extra bandwidth of raid 0, and latency might actually be worse on raid.
A decent board and cooler for the 3700X will at least help it keep it under 60C for PBO to do it's magic all the time.
A cheaper board and a stock cooler will mean you'll be able to afford the much faster 3900x.
everything seems to support and be optimized for Nvidia,
NVIDIA marketing is powerful for making you believe. Benchmarks do however tell a different story, the 5700 is consistently faster than the 2060 super.

Colton Walker
Colton Walker

yea hi that's me and there are many others with gsync monitors because for the longest time the Dell 27" 1440p 144hz gsync monitor was the cheapest 1440p 144hz
I desperately want a 5700XT anniversary and waterblock but I'm going to have to either buy a new monitor.
I think there are a lot of people in my situation. Even with a monster GPU and 5ghz intel you're not going to stay locked at 144hz in most games, 1% lows are usually in the 90s.

Connor King
Connor King

Hey Jow Forums, quick question that I can't seem to find the answer to..
I want to pick up a B450 motherboard and an AMD 3700X and I'm currently selecting the memory to put in the motherboard.
So is the ram speed limited by the motherboard or the CPU? What's the max speed of ram I can put in that mobo?
Cheers.

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Landon Ortiz
Landon Ortiz

pcpartpicker.com/list/Md8zBb
anything I should switch? the CPU needs to support win7 and the GPU needs to support freesync (unless you want to recommend an alternative monitor)

should I downgrade my gpu and get a better cpu? I feel like I should get 3600, but my budget is $1k

Blake Flores
Blake Flores

42db (2060super) vs 50db (rx5700) under load.

I'm honestly considering a watercooled setup specifically because I'm tired of fan noise since my GPU never idles since it's pushing 8k pixels. GPU noise pisses me off.

Benjamin James
Benjamin James

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Brandon Walker
Brandon Walker

NOOOOO BROS WTF

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Gabriel Moore
Gabriel Moore

I mean your choices aren't wrong, but you are fundamentally trading off acoustics for performance. Also nvidias drivers really are better.

Gavin Ramirez
Gavin Ramirez

9900k under 95C
fake news.

Jason Anderson
Jason Anderson

SSDs are already fast; there's little benefit from the extra bandwidth of raid 0, and latency might actually be worse on raid.
It's more to do with decent 2TB NVMe drives being more expensive than just two 1TB ones (x4, TLC, decent cache, etc), plus the shitty unoptimized MMO I play does seem to benefit, on my old 2600X system on a soft-RAID two NVMe volume the differences in loading time are noticeable.
A cheaper board and a stock cooler will mean you'll be able to afford the much faster 3900x.
Yeah but do I really need it? I won't gain much if any in games, maybe even loose performance since I wouldn't be able to keep the 3900X as cool and power fed as a 3700X with a decent board and cooler, so that PBO would continuously run it at max.
NVIDIA marketing is powerful for making you believe. Benchmarks do however tell a different story, the 5700 is consistently faster than the 2060 super.
Not that, I have a Vega 56 and a 970M, even though the Vega 56 is supposed to be 200% faster, real world performance in games is almost equal, some things that utilize OpenGL for example are even WAY faster on the 970M. Radeon cards look good on paper and I'm tired of that.

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Jackson James
Jackson James

Your cooler. Remove that and replace 2600 with 3600X.
And buy some cheap SSD.

Benjamin White
Benjamin White

see

Levi Cook
Levi Cook

Yeah. The price issue also looks different depending how many generations are considered.
For example 2080 ti vs 2080 and 2180 is different than looking at 2080 ti and 2280 ti vs 2080,2180,2280,2380.
Plus at least where I am the mark-up on 2080s vis a vis US MSRP doesn't seem to have translated to the 2080 tis, so it might be a regional question when it comes to the economics of which is better.

Josiah Martin
Josiah Martin

still no bios with agesa 1.0.0.3ab
nobody needs max boost clocks anyway.

Wyatt Jones
Wyatt Jones

73 KB
assrock msi asus
niggabyte tends to suck ass

Ayden Lee
Ayden Lee

I want a good emulation machine, capable of running PS3 and Switch emulators, is Intel still better than AMD?

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Henry Ward
Henry Ward

is a cooler not necessary? wouldn't the cpu overheat with no fan?
what SSD should I choose? does installing the OS on it make a big difference?
I also need a power supply

Michael Ross
Michael Ross

its cpu limited, get 3000mhz ram as you dont loose performance w/ that and its literally the cheapest

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

amd
you'll need that multi thread perf

Blake Cook
Blake Cook

Nope, same shit.
What you want is a Nvidia GPU though.

warosu.org/g/thread/S71513633#p71521141
warosu.org/g/thread/S71138733#p71139123
warosu.org/g/thread/S71513633#p71518538

Camden Ward
Camden Ward

you get a cooler with the CPU. And since amd stepped up their game, it's a pretty good cooler.

Jonathan Perry
Jonathan Perry

Is this ram good to go with a 3600x? amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-3200MHz-Desktop-Memory/dp/B0143UM4TC

Evan Torres
Evan Torres

I mean your choices aren't wrong, but you are fundamentally trading off acoustics for performance.
Not with the AIB cards.
Also nvidias drivers really are better.
Neither on Linux,
#dishonesty blog.mecheye.net/2015/12/why-im-excited-for-vulkan/
... nor on Windows either.

Noah Jenkins
Noah Jenkins

I doubt that ryzen ever will pass Intel's best 14nm+++++++++++++++ CPU in video games and security holes.
Intel is truly patrician choice.

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Jordan Hill
Jordan Hill

that particular ryzen cpu comes with a fan that is better than the one you picked, but you'd be buying a new last gen cpu
installing your os on an ssd just makes everything faster, and drives that can really only fit the os are pretty cheap these days

Jonathan Morales
Jonathan Morales

Radeon cards look good on paper and I'm tired of that.
This isn't GCN with its unachieve-able potential anymore. NAVI is different.
Refer to Radeon 5700 benchmarks, aka real world performance.
I have a Vega56
Then I'd definitely keep the Vega56 and get the 3900x with good board and cooling. Where's your hurry to upgrade the GPU?

Samuel Garcia
Samuel Garcia

Thanks bro.
If I can pick up 3200mhz for not too much of a price leap, should I?

Jose Price
Jose Price

is there any b450 motherboard that works fine with the new ryzen? anything but msi please

Adrian Rogers
Adrian Rogers

3600x 5700xt
recommend me decent 2x8 ram

Nathaniel Bell
Nathaniel Bell

yeah, sure.

Jonathan Martin
Jonathan Martin

PS3 emu
is Intel still better than AMD?
No. Even redditors know that.
reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cb2o0n/the_3700x_is_amazing_for_rpcs3_persona_5_stable/

William Richardson
William Richardson

literally fake

Landon Cruz
Landon Cruz

970 evo
1650
what the FUCK are you doing?

is Intel still better than AMD
Never was. Was just lying FUD spread by some paid trolls.
Only Dolphin heavily uses TSX. And Dolphin will run at double framerate on a $50 CPU.

RPCS3 *can* run shitty on anything. 9900k does not get a locked 60fps. The 3700X seems to run it very well, maybe better than the 9900k.

RPCS3 supports Vulkan.
You literally fucking linked to a dude posting how it runs fine on all-AMD, as in AMD CPU and GPU, and that people saying otherwise are literal shills.
Retard.

Camden Mitchell
Camden Mitchell

This isn't GCN with its unachieve-able potential anymore. NAVI is different.
Refer to Radeon 5700 benchmarks, aka real world performance.
I really don't care anymore, I'll know that I won't get fucked over with Nvidia at least, even though they are bastards, at least they gave us the Super now and that's all thanks to AMD being remotely competitive.

Then I'd definitely keep the Vega56 and get the 3900x with good board and cooling. Where's your hurry to upgrade the GPU?
It really sucks when you can barely keep 30 FPS in Cemu while your old Nvidia laptop with a whorse GPU in every way does 60 FPS.
I just don't want to deal with the cooling/power usage, inefficiency and unoptimized performance anymore. I'm going to sell the old build and put together a whole new build.

Tyler Diaz
Tyler Diaz

No. Even redditors know that.
If you read the comments, everyone (even the 3700x OP) say that Intel is better for emulation
You're illiterate

Tyler Brooks
Tyler Brooks

hey man hedt is totally different and you will never catch me arguing against amd there, zen is dramatically better than intel for that.
you also wont catch me arguing against the $150 2600 for 60-75hz games
however at 144hz and 240hz I can't in good faith buy a zen 2 chip over a 9600k or 9700k.
this is going to be worse when you can get a 5.2ghz 7700k(10th gen i3) for $150.
I want AMD to be better so badly because all intel has managed to do for me since I bought my 6600k is add 200mhz. My games only use 4 threads and it's already 4.9ghz.
I know you can't post a benchmark without people finding something wrong with it or claming cherry picking but this is a legitimately good showing of the differences percent wise between the CPUs.

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Wyatt Adams
Wyatt Adams

my system refuses to boot with XMP profiles and new ryzen 3600. it does run at 3200mhz without the profile. It ran XMP before cpu upgrade. wat do? wait for new bios update?

Jaxson Edwards
Jaxson Edwards

You literally fucking linked to a dude posting how it runs fine on all-AMD, as in AMD CPU and GPU, and that people saying otherwise are literal shills.
No, one guy had a all AMD system and he was only talking about one game without any proof, the other had a Nvidia GPU and posted pictures.
user asked nicely, I just responded with what I know from dealing with this and personal experience. I don't care what you think or what your opinion is, you can tell it to user not me.

There's no difference in terms of CPUs anymore. AMD used to lag behind because single core performance, that's not true anymore. Specially when you consider AMD being more optimized in multi core too now that matters a lot in these emulators.
Either one works fine.

Oliver Ross
Oliver Ross

ffs, if the most you'll be doing is gaming, don't get a 7 or 9, AMD or Intel.

Samuel Gray
Samuel Gray

ah good
is the difference between 3600 and 3600x worth $50?
also I forgot I have a leftover power supply, that should work

which SSD?
pcpartpicker.com/product/mPgPxr/a-data-ultimate-su800-128gb-25-solid-state-drive-asu800ss-128gt-c
pcpartpicker.com/product/6yKcCJ/samsung-860-evo-500gb-25-solid-state-drive-mz-76e500bam

any other things I need to consider?

Connor Baker
Connor Baker

Why? Ryzen 7 seems to be doing really well in games over 5.

Elijah Reed
Elijah Reed

yea sure, cant hurt

Ethan Russell
Ethan Russell

So, I flashed my bios, no blinking LED, but the power is still on. Do I cut the power?

Jason Foster
Jason Foster

You are also forgetting intels TIM degradation problem that intel most likely pays millions to keep swept under the rug. Makes all 3rd-8th gen cpus overheat severely like 4 or so years later

Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

The fuck are you talking about?
Navi is out and the performance is real. It's matching Turing performance processor-for-processor at lower clock speeds. In other words, it has higher IPC.
CAS/RAS is real, DLSS is a bullshit scam.
Raytracing is real, but the RTX cards are too weak, even the 2080Ti, to run it worth a shit without horrible artifacts.
It really sucks when you can barely keep 30 FPS in Cemu
LMAO okay buy that Nvidia GPU and enjoy your 5 fps increase because you're too retarded to realize the reason you get poor FPS in Cemu is purely down to config and you just didn't configure it properly.
Cemu runs better on Nvidia, but Vega is powerful enough for 60fps still.

Everyone knows RPCS3 runs fine on AMD GPU.
It's only Cemu, which retardedly uses OpenGL, which has less than ideal performance.

Owen Wilson
Owen Wilson

That blower GPU might give you trouble with temps

Jacob Harris
Jacob Harris

3600X comes with a better cooler and will overclock better if that even becomes a thing with Ryzen 3000. It's less value now but I imagine it'll be worth it later.

Grayson Morales
Grayson Morales

is the difference between 3600 and 3600x worth $50?
better fan better binned chip better clock and OC
if that's worth 50$ for you then go for it
otherwise stick with 3600

go for the 860 EVO

Bentley Ross
Bentley Ross

Informative, thank you. Perhaps it's just better to build just to meet certain monitor requirements and only upgrade when you want to move onto a higher resolution, hz, or you can't handle new games, although it does make sense to sell GPUs while you still can get some money for your old one. Right now a GTX 1050ti can be sold in my area for almost the same price as a RX 570 or GTX 1650.

I wish there was more information out there on how to get the most value out of a build, although it can feel like a fool's errand with how fast technological advancement is and how much deprecation you'll see within a short period of time regardless of what you do. I generally say away from high end components because I think they suffer much more deprecation and I don't need their ability, but I wonder if I'm running into trouble fucking around on the low end side.

Right now I can get a 9020 Optiplex SFF with a i5-4570, 16 GB DDR3L Ram, a 256 GB SSD, and a GTX 1050 for reasonable price(regionally) but I could build the new equivalent using a Ryzen 3 2200g for around $150 more or about 30-35% more. One has less deprecation because it's cheaper to start with, the other has better resale value and ability to upgrade. I'm unsure what is the better option. I would want to wait for the price of a Ryzen 3600 to come down before consider a build using it.

Christian Baker
Christian Baker

im pretty sure there's a website that ranks ssd reliablity but I can't recall the name of it right now
I can't imagine it would be very hard to fuck it up, Ive had a random hp ssd for a couple of years now that's been working fine
everything else is okay

only true gaymers use xenon (tm) cpus

Jacob Cook
Jacob Cook

yeah it's a place holder because i'm waiting for AIB
anything els though?

Landon Wright
Landon Wright

You're gonna need a BIOS update

Carter Davis
Carter Davis

LMAO okay buy that Nvidia GPU and enjoy your 5 fps increase because you're too retarded to realize the reason you get poor FPS in Cemu is purely down to config and you just didn't configure it properly.
Cemu runs better on Nvidia, but Vega is powerful enough for 60fps still.

See: It really sucks when you can barely keep 30 FPS in Cemu while your old Nvidia laptop with a whorse GPU in every way does 60 FPS.
It's configured fine. No need for ad hominem because my personal experience does not fit your narrative and I say thing you don't want to hear.

Owen Moore
Owen Moore

Building a 2k PC every 5 years is worse than building a 1k PC every 3, Jow Forums does not accept this fact.

Andrew Reed
Andrew Reed

Is a 550w platinum psu enough for a 3600 and 5700xt aib?

Parker Thomas
Parker Thomas

It doesn't even show or tell in the official MSI guide. What the fuck. They explicitly tell you to avoid power losses during the process or you'll brick the thing and then don't tell you when it's safe to cut the power.

Bentley Garcia
Bentley Garcia

So...Sata SSD or M.2 SSD?

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Julian Scott
Julian Scott

I build a 2k PC every 2 years. Seems to be the sweet spot.

James Myers
James Myers

Hey man it's very important that you make people aware of the insane performance you can get out of the 5700 and 5700XT with the overclock limit bypass when you are arguing in support of the cards.
They are absolutely the only thing worth buying right now outside of super budget 570/580/1660
you can see here what im talking about fuck i want one so bad but i have FUCKING GSYNC FUCK

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Jeremiah Phillips
Jeremiah Phillips

NVMe SSD.

Jace Powell
Jace Powell

okay thanks

pcpartpicker.com/list/HbhB8Y

should I switch out the seagate
pcpartpicker.com/product/gwBv6h/seagate-internal-hard-drive-st3000dm001
for this hitachi
pcpartpicker.com/product/Cs4gXL/hitachi-internal-hard-drive-hua723030ala640
they have the same specs but the Hitachi is far cheaper, is it reliable or should I stick with the seagate?

Kevin Gonzalez
Kevin Gonzalez

considering i'm waiting mid august for the 5700xt AIB
should i order the mobo now or waitfag till they make they pre flashed?
also would the price decrease for a b450 until then?

Oliver Walker
Oliver Walker

most likely not, wattage calculators exist

unless you're running a small ass pc I'd get sata to not worry about heat

Brody Thomas
Brody Thomas

vega 56
blackscreening as soon as gameplay starts in Total Warhammer
blackscreening at the same intensive part of slime rancher

I've some GPU-Z logs, temps seen high but safe (gets to 80 when it crashes although it did peak at 90 several minutes before). It's a 630W branded GPU so I'd be pissed if that's the cause

What else in the logs should I look for as a telltale sign of something fucking up?

Jason Ross
Jason Ross

unless you're running a small ass pc I'd get sata to not worry about heat
but nvme is faster and more efficient? plus doesn't even cost more per gb than sata?

Jacob Rivera
Jacob Rivera

pcpartpicker.com/list/bfvmnH
How bad did I do? Looking to build a gaming PC. I also need to get a new monitor.

Asher Torres
Asher Torres

dunno much about hitachi
but for hdd toshiba>WD=Seagate in term of reliability

Christopher Hernandez
Christopher Hernandez

I can either buy an asus rx570 for around 75 or i can buy a xfx rx480 8gb for 100, which one should i go for? the asus card is supposedly to be one of the best rx 570s out there, would spending extra 25 for the 480 be a good idea? (dollars)

Daniel Rogers
Daniel Rogers

brainlets shouldn't buy AMD cards, they aren't worth it out of the box but take some time to set up

Daniel Foster
Daniel Foster

anyone?

Brody Cox
Brody Cox

It is stupid that they don't specify it, but after the Bios Flashback LED stops blinking and isn't lit anymore, it's safe to cut the power by flipping the PSU switch, even if there are other LEDs lit on the board.

Camden Bennett
Camden Bennett

but nvme is faster and more efficient?
only if you're moving massive (+30Gb) files on a daily basis like processing or rendering
for gaymen the 2.5 has virtually no diff than nvme
youtube.com/watch?v=V3AMz-xZ2VM

Adam Ward
Adam Ward

If the ram is not on the x570 compatibility list won't it still work? Why is the motherboard and ram support so fucking random. Some of these x570 boards don't support pretty popular amd GSKILL ram.

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Colton Campbell
Colton Campbell

Can a 550 PSU run a RTX 2080 and a 9700k CPU build? I currently have a 650 PSU but I think it's on it's way out

Ryder Russell
Ryder Russell

yeah you're right, nvme is faster but they asked about m.2

generally you don't want to spend more money on a cpu than your gpu, an r5 would be the equivalent to that 1660
don't know what your use case for a blu ray reader/writer but most people don't need one

Blake Cook
Blake Cook

amazon.com/Dell-Precision-T3600-Workstation-Refurbished/dp/B07FP3QRZB/ref=mp_s_a_1_8?qid=1563035693&refinements=p_n_feature_four_browse-bin:1264445011,p_36:2421880011&rnid=2421879011&s=pc&sr=1-8
If I add a 1660 to this, will it run Fortnite well?

Landon Martinez
Landon Martinez

Probably but I wouldn't

David Wright
David Wright

It still runs cooler though, since it takes less power, that's true. Not user but that depends on the game, if you plan on playing something specific a lot, I'd recommend checking beforehand, because I've had games that load over a minute on a SATA SSD but 20 seconds less on a NVMe one.
Personally I see no reason to get SATA anymore for SSDs (only HDDs) when the price is the same as SATA but it's better in every other way, specially if you have a slot on your motherboard.

Chase Russell
Chase Russell

can't finish my build cause the screws I need to remove for putting on the cpu cooler won't budge

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Hunter Jackson
Hunter Jackson

HGST is pretty good even thought they're under WD now.
Why you don't buy 1TB SSD and removed the HDD?

Kayden Russell
Kayden Russell

just ask tyrone the same way he opens your onions bottles

Bentley Wright
Bentley Wright

fuck i want one so bad but i have FUCKING GSYNC FUCK
We warned you about the lock-in, user.
If only if you listened.

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Julian Jackson
Julian Jackson

Can a 550 PSU run a RTX 2080 and a 9700k CPU
You'll need an extra 1000w PSU for the industrial chiller itself.

Ian Flores
Ian Flores

If you buy a non-gaming Dell/IBM/HP . Work on the principle that the PSU won't cope with any sort of GPU upgrade and the motherboard will have a proprietary power connector so you can't swap it out.

I've fried a motherboard + GPU before trying to use a motherboard power adapter to upgrade an IBM PSU. It's not worth it.

Chase Gomez
Chase Gomez

What would you recommend as a video card for the 3700x?

Grayson Gomez
Grayson Gomez

yes no yes no waaaat help

Cooper Bailey
Cooper Bailey

OK, I have non hedt image too. More general.
Imagine being AMD!
YIKES! who would want secure CPU!?
Intel clearly wins in every aspect.

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Jackson Long
Jackson Long

No you didn't, I consciously made the choice because I had a 980ti that I just bought a couple months prior and I figured I would eventually upgrade to a xx70 card down the road. It was also the cheapest 1440p 144hz 27" monitor I found, I got it for under $300.
I had no way to know t he 2xxx series would be such a huge regression in value compared to 10xx or that AMD would then release a card with such good performance that was actually overclockable at an okay price.
I also couldn't have predicted that my 980ti would fail in under a year after I bought it. Nvidia baked in planned obsolence into their maxwell cards, they cheaped out on specific already cheap power components so that they would fail in about 3 years of use. I'm very sad(it failed in november) because I specifically went for the 980ti as it was the last overclockable card nvidia made. I wish I could repair it I loved it so much, it even has an AIO water cooler on it.

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Connor Carter
Connor Carter

1660 Ti is fine for 1080p, but it's kind of old by now. Unless you're looking to play big titles at 1440p 144hz, I'd just wait until august and get a RX 5700. Unless you have some specific reason for getting Nvidia.

Gabriel Sullivan
Gabriel Sullivan

AHAH FUCKING NVIDIOTS! YOUR DRIVERS LOOK LIKE WINDOWS XP
INSTEAD LOOK AT OUR PRETTY INTERFACE
whats that, performance, how it performs?! Better than Nvidia and that's all I need to know HAHAHAA

Mean while in the real world, a free software that's open to literally all GPUS, performs better than any other alternative to it's function
youtube.com/watch?v=4mWmd2zaom8

But no, please continue talking shit about your "rival" and how yours is better, while ignoring the fact that both companies are shit and you being a loyal cum sucking drone is just a part of why these companies get to fleece dumb retards like you.

James Thomas
James Thomas

a monidor with ears!!!
:-DDD

Austin Roberts
Austin Roberts

Ryzen 2 and 5700 cards are not yet updated on the PSU calculator websites yet.

Guru3d says it's fine, so I'm guess I'll be good.

Jason Flores
Jason Flores

So... will I need to buy a separate psu for the GPU itself? Or will the mobo fry itself anyways? I've heard that people gayme with xeons. How do they exactly do that then?

Levi Hughes
Levi Hughes

completely depends on your monitor goals, the OP has recommended cards for different resolutions
there are some different aftermarket coolers that people recommend for both amd and nvidia so that also matters

Charles Wilson
Charles Wilson

Hey there, a friend ask to take a look for is computer since "I build my own last year".

So for him I was thinking:
(pcpartpicker.com/list/spKG7W)

But i have few question

R53600X (should I not take X and a cooler ?)
16 Go 3200 Mhz (it looks overkill to me, am I wrong )
If i pick anything else than an x570 mobo I had a warning, but what those that imply IRL ?
RX5700 , it looks perfect but seems to be sold out everywhere and overpriced (in europe shop)
is 500 watts enough, I never know.

Any other recommendation ?
thx

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James Phillips
James Phillips

yeah but it's still better at games
my cpu is completely vulnerable but it's never impacted me, all I know is my i5 absolutely shits on the 1600 that came out almost a year after I bought it.
AMD needed a far higher all core turbo and you know it. Optimistic people expected 5ghz so I chose to be a pessimist and figured 4.5ghz would be the worst case with 4.6, 4.7 being likely. Instead we got 4.2ghz all core turbo.
Maybe the refresh next spring will give us 500mhz in which case the r5 4600 will be better than the 6 core 12 thread 5.4ghz i5 it's competing with in every way.

Brody Wright
Brody Wright

I will. Thanks. Dunno what boot loop is btw.
It's ddr3

Dylan Price
Dylan Price

Where's your HD600, user?
I'm sure I told you to get HD600, buy AMD stock and avoid gsync screens.
user...

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Kevin Russell
Kevin Russell

I'm agreeing with you, dummy.
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Henry Clark
Henry Clark

anime and ps1/ps2 games take up nearly a tb already for me and those folders are only going to get bigger
I'll have to sort everything out on my current drives before I can decide I guess, but currently all my stuff is installed on an external storage drive and sometimes it makes a grindy noise if it's doing too much writing so I'm paranoid it will fail
I think I'll have to consider the storage more, everything else looks fine though, even if it's mildly overbudget

Charles Perry
Charles Perry

should i just cough up 60€ and get a x570 or wait for the retards at msi to actually make a bios that works

Jackson Wood
Jackson Wood

reminder to be nice to the ESL guys

Xavier Harris
Xavier Harris

dude just install the cpu cooler while the backplate is completely free haha
excuse me this is literally impossible?

Nolan Morales
Nolan Morales

Are curved monitors that good? I've never owned one so I don't know how reliable they are.

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Carson Brown
Carson Brown

dude just flash your bios, like wtf close your eyes haha

Nolan Johnson
Nolan Johnson

You'll need to look it up to see if that dell has any sort of proprietary connectors, that a regular ATX PSU will fit, that there's a PCI-E slot with space for the GPU.

Mine fucked up because I was forced to rely on the crap adapter, not sure if it was the adapter or just a fucked up motherboard that was responsible. Connected up the system, didn't turn on, spotted an LED go on the motherboard, realized that there was no LED on the motherboard and it was something glowing red hot.

GPU and Motherboard both fucked up, RAM and CPU were both fine so was able to sell those off and make back almost all the money it had literally burned through (PC was an ultra cheap clearance from John Lewis that I managed to get even cheaper haggling another £100 off)

Luke Reed
Luke Reed

No HD600 although I would love to own a pair. I have an HD650 and a HD660S both of which are exceptional headphones. I think both are very good stock but I do prefer harman to either.
HD600 must be better than HD650 though so maybe I would prefer it to the harman target. I'll find out one day.
You have to see it from my point of view here. In 2017 when I bought it I didn't think there was any timeline where nvidia works with freesync. They have done so much anticonsumer shit that I figured it was impossible(killed overclocking, killed bios modification, planned obsolence, no gpu pass through, etc).
So I saw the cheapest 1440p 27" 144hz monitor at $273(keep in mind this is 2017), and it had gsync which was usually a $200 premium and I had just gotten a second hand 980ti that I was in love with.
There is no way any reasonable person in that situation would spend more money for freesync(which is supposed to be cheaper) in order to NOT have adaptive refresh.
If you look at ebay for sales of the Dell sdg 27" 1440p 144hz and do the math for shipping cost, ebay, paypall fees you'll see it's not worth selling.
I think I'm just going to get the 5700XT anyway and then maybe buy a new monitor in the future and just keep this one too. That way I could have 1440p 144hz and 1080p 240hz at the same time.
ily btw i hate how there are so many people I enjoy talking to here but the only way to talk is like this and then im lonely all day

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Joshua Campbell
Joshua Campbell

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Luke White
Luke White

Ebuyer's Ebay store will have a 20% off everything voucher
Ebuyer are one of the non-shiity stores that don't ramp up the prices for these.

Do I get a new monitor from this or wait for Prime Day...

Jaxon Scott
Jaxon Scott

there are specific use cases for intel vs amd, don't bring that shit here

Angel Price
Angel Price

Nvidia works with some low quality tn freesync, almost every VA and IPS panel is still unsupported

Sebastian Young
Sebastian Young

Is 4k and/or 144hz nice?
Ive never actually seen them in real life, I just have always used somewhat cheap 60hz 1080 monitors

Luke White
Luke White

"Should I get an i7 or an i5, it's mostly for watching videos and playing fortnite?"
"use Jquery"

Hudson Brown
Hudson Brown

don't ramp up the prices for these
They did last month. 9700K was up to £410, X470 mobos at £200 etc. Still okay discounts but bullshit tactics.

David Morales
David Morales

Example? If AMD has a better CPU in every field, what use case does Intel have? Maybe a very specific rendering or scientific load that utilizes some SIMD instructs AMD doesn't have.

Chase Butler
Chase Butler

I might wait for the B450 MAX that MSI is about to pull off. The cards are already referenced on their website, how long does it usually take for them to be buyable?

Besides, since they're pulling off this MAX shit, I'm afraid their current B450 will see support for this Zen 3000 series, but after that, it'll be over. They'd focus on updating their MAX motherboards, and will say the current B450 won't be supported by the Zen 4000 and such because muh 16MB rom. Fuck that shit, I need a new motherboard this week, why did they have to cheapen out like jews

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Asher Powell
Asher Powell

They had obscenely cheap Vegas though.

I think they have a general ~5% markup on Ebay over their store prices

Bentley Rogers
Bentley Rogers

Bought a B450 Gaming Pro carbon ac, tried to bios flashback it several times, none worked, what do?

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Hunter Robinson
Hunter Robinson

Buy NAS.

Liam Hernandez
Liam Hernandez

Never used/had 4K but 144hz is nice.
I got a 1080p freesync 144hz recently and after using it as my main monitor for a few weeks holy shit the 60hz one looks so unsmooth when I have my cursor on that screen now.

Evan Cook
Evan Cook

Actually follow the instructions?
100% of the time it's user error.

Tyler Stewart
Tyler Stewart

I have an HD650 and a HD660S both of which are exceptional headphones.
They are. I only own the HD600 so my testing is very limited, but I preferred HD600 > HD660S > HD650 when I tested them in yodobashi.
I understand the HD600 is also the closest to Harman target of the lot.
I think I'm just going to get the 5700XT anyway and then maybe buy a new monitor in the future and just keep this one too.
Yeah... I'd probably do the same thing (get AIB). Thankfully, my Vega64 means I am in no hurry to upgrade; I'd first build a new system (maybe by zen2 threadripper) and get a screen, then upgrade GPU only when it makes sense (2021 likely).
My screen is 2014-ish with no fancySync, but otherwise good (24" 1920x1200 60Hz AH-IPS, wide gamut, 10bit as 8bit+FRC).

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Jordan Hughes
Jordan Hughes

Forgot to mention, my current CPU is shintel i7 4790 "meltdown edition". Thus why I'm thinking of upgrading that.

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Grayson Brooks
Grayson Brooks

bought a LG 34gk950g
want to play Total War: Three Kingdoms
potato PC (i7-7700k + 1080) drops fps to 20 in battles

do i really need to buy a 2080ti?

Jace Smith
Jace Smith

Yes, at least on a 400 series board. The X570 boards largely seem to be overvolting at the moment.

Not comfortably, no. I'd get at least 600 or 650 even. You could run into issues that require disabling MCE with how inefficient the 9700k is.

From what I've seen, the power consumption isn't worth the increased performance.
One of the good things about the cards is their efficiency. Especially the 5700.

xd
No there aren't. Name one without lying. You probably were thinking of saying Premiere, but nope that's a lie as the 3900X still wins there now.
The only case is 1080p gaming with a 2080Ti which is some special snowflake 0.1% users use case which will probably go away when Nvidia improves their driver to utilize the 3900X better.

Christian Mitchell
Christian Mitchell

gonna buy the MB+3700x+ram end of the month, hope the price doesn't skyrocket

Chase Morgan
Chase Morgan

I meant, like, can I use two seperate psus? One for solely the gpu and leave the other default psu in to power the mobo and what not. I was more concerned about the gpu not fitting in the mobo, desu.

Kevin Fisher
Kevin Fisher

Got a 3900x on the way, still don't know what mobo I want to get. Should I go for a x570 board or go with a high end x470. Also what brands have the best IOMMU separation as I will be running a windows VM on this machine for gaming later on.

Brayden Thomas
Brayden Thomas

Yes, still no use, when I plug in the USB, the lights won't get on, if there isn't anything plugged they will flash 3 times, tried different usb's

Jason Hughes
Jason Hughes

a 1080p 144hz monitor is gonna be $150
you also want adaptive sync, and you need a compatible graphics card (freesync for amd and g-sync for nvidia)
my recommendation is pcpartpicker.com/product/ZBZ2FT/aoc-monitor-g2460pf
it has 144hz, freesync and is probably the cheapest 144hz monitor you can get. need a graphics card that support freesync though, or you'll have bad screen tearing
as for 4k it's marginally better but nowhere near worth it, even for stuff like movies where the performance cost isn't a problem

Noah Fisher
Noah Fisher

Remove, CPU, RAM, GPU, EVERYTHING but the 24pin power on the mobo.
Format a flash drive with NTFS, put ONLY the BIOS file named MSI.ROM on it.
Power up, press button.
If it won't work, try an older bios first, also try a different size flash drive, try FAT32 and EXFAT formatting. It'll take eventually.

Joshua Rodriguez
Joshua Rodriguez

pcpartpicker.com/user/zyrtec9/saved/#view=tVHGcf

is this ok or am i destined to fuck up

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Jordan Torres
Jordan Torres

What are you using your rig for user?

Carter Robinson
Carter Robinson

EVERYTHING but the 24pin power on the mobo.
You connect CPU_PWR1 and ATX_PWR1
Format a flash drive with NTFS
FAT32

Some have found success with different USB sticks, smaller ones especially.

Jordan Campbell
Jordan Campbell

There's also a newer 7B85v17N on the MSI ftp here msi-ftp.de:8080/main.html
Quite a few have reported using NTFS got it working.

Luis Parker
Luis Parker

Nvidia works with some low quality tn freesync, almost every VA and IPS panel is still unsupported
That's a flatout lie.
what matters is the quality of the freesync implementation. Not panel type, you mong.
VA , IPS, TN doesn't matter.
What matter is lower framerate compensation, 48-144hz freesync range and so on.

if you get a freesync thats 60-78 then no shit it wont work well.

Mason Jackson
Mason Jackson

Asrock Taichi

Eli Anderson
Eli Anderson

gaming/entertainment on a 4k television mainly, just don't want to have to build another one for 2-3 years

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Elijah Foster
Elijah Foster

did AMD stop doing that program that lends you a cpu to upgrade the bios?

Gabriel Smith
Gabriel Smith

No.

Carter Perez
Carter Perez

nah they still have that

Nathan Diaz
Nathan Diaz

Anything wrong with this build? I plan on just updating the GPU (and probably CPU) later.

pcpartpicker.com/list/XXM6TB

Gabriel Hill
Gabriel Hill

My next build is gonna be an Intel one and there's nothing you can do to stop me.
How does that make you feel?

Jace Powell
Jace Powell

just buy a flashback mobo
it'll save you costs long term

Dylan Gonzalez
Dylan Gonzalez

Anyone else been having issues with the msi b450 tomahawk with an 3700x

Sometimes it gets to bios sometimes it doesn't
It's just randomly works and doesn't work sometimes

When it doesn't work the cpu debug led just keeps burning

Jaxson Cooper
Jaxson Cooper

it's you money pal
more power to you

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Robert Roberts
Robert Roberts

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Charles Baker
Charles Baker

Lots of people have been having msi issues

With it being unstable af

forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=321288.0

Andrew Ramirez
Andrew Ramirez

based retard

Lincoln Allen
Lincoln Allen

always wanted a 8700k
getting a 3600 + motherboard+ ddr4 ram for the same price instead

Thanks AMD.

Carson Russell
Carson Russell

I'd spend a little more for the Asus Tuf gaming, has the same vrms as their $300 boards

Hudson King
Hudson King

people who are buying a mobo just for this flash back are stupid fucks

Kevin Cooper
Kevin Cooper

he thinks the problem is the GPU and not 4 core CPU he memed himself into buying at the worst possible time to buy one
yikes. And still didn't learn after over 2 years?

contact MSI support.

i've heard some having issues but don't know if it's user error or the BIOS.

Christian Young
Christian Young

Someone will need to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain that gaming through a 4k television will not output a 4k resolution 80% of the time. You'll get an output of 1080p.
Not only that, if you're using a television for gaming, really consider input latency. If you press and input, say - jump, it will take usually 10ms+ extra time to broadcast it to the tv making things feel sluggish. That's why monitors are good, and tvs are eh for gaming because monitors usually have 10ms latency, while tv's have 20ms+ (some bad ones go to 40).

Lastly to your build - If you're not planning on doing any hardcore editing or rendering and just purely gaming and entertainment like movies, etc, you should definitely consider rolling back your build.
If you want to splurg money on a CPU, the 3700X is the max you want to go for gaming - you won't need 12 cores ever for gaming, keep it to 6 - 8. Go to 3600X if you want to save even more money.
You can save money on the motherboard by going the previous generation - the B450 motherboard is a good option, you just have to flash the motherboard with an update to support the new chips. If you don't have a previous AMD chip so you can boot the bios, make sure the motherboard has "BIOS Flashback" so you can flash it without a chip installed. I attached an image with all the mobo's with the feature.
Consider the size of the motherboard as well. You may only need a mATX also, it'll save moving a huge tower as you can downgrade the size of the computer with it.
Also it's not terrible to get 32GB of memory.. But it's pretty overkill - consider 16GB total memory instead.
Otherwise everything else is fine. In a nutshell -
Get a CPU with 6-8 Cores for gaming (3600, 3600X, 3700X)
Lower your ram
Consider rolling back your motherboard to B450

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Jaxson Edwards
Jaxson Edwards

Which one has better price for performance?
$79 RX 570 4gb
or
$108 GTX 970
Both are used parts.

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Mason Scott
Mason Scott

I fucked up and bought 16 gigs of HyperX fury 2400 last year because I didn't read into this shit enough. Currently paired with an i5-8600k with no intention to upgrade it for a while. Would you recommend upgrading the RAM to a kit of 16 gigs at 3200mhz? Will there be a significant boost in performance when gayming?

Ayden Myers
Ayden Myers

Oh and final note - If you're splurging a fucktonne of money on a GPU - make sure your monitor can display more than 60fps(60hz).
(You want a monitor that can show 144hz at least). You want to be able to display the extra frames you're getting ofc.

Jack Robinson
Jack Robinson

I want to test my parts before moving them to a case (I have good reasons for this), is it safe just to run them inside the mobo box (just on the cardboard, not the plastic)

Levi Perez
Levi Perez

Considering getting this pcpartpicker.com/list/7Kk8LJ mainly for emulation (PS1-PS3, Wii and WiiU) + gaming @1080p.

Yes i know 32GB is too much for gaming but I'll use it on other stuff

Brody Butler
Brody Butler

Question to Asus ws x570 ace owners. How did your onboard fan sound like when you first turned on the board? Mine had this sort of fast clicking sound for a while when reinstalling everything and even when idle. However, I tested a game for about 30 minutes, and the noise had completely stopped and hasn't happened again. Did any of you have similar problems with it, or were yours completely quiet?

Jordan Carter
Jordan Carter

I'm at this point a total EQ/DSP shill really. I honestly believe that at this point a lot of the normie/consumer headphones and earphones have surpassed almost all of the hifi stuff simply because of their willingness to use DSP. The new power beats for example is incredible, it's better than anything else i've heard and my friend has an extensive iem collection.
So instead of buying new stuff I've just been working on EQ'd for what I have. For example I just spent an hour tweaking the treble settings from oratory1990's harman eq to perfectly match rting's sound stage target(they claim a 10khz dip is largely responsible for staging) on my lcd2.
I was planning to just sell all of my headphones save lcd2f, my i3 6100u 13" 1080p folding laptop, my HHKB, and my modi 2/magni 3 to buy a GPU and a SRS-3100 but I'm scared of getting scammed after I already spent the money and then my friend who let me use his ebay is fucked and i lose a friend. I just started a new job and did my budget and I'll have $3400 a year to save or spend so I'm just going to sell my 6XX(180), DT990(90), and HE500(350) to fund a well cooled 5700XT.
I want Zen 2 as well, the new threadrippers will be monsters but I always play with all my settings down to make sure im at 144 fps so intel is the best choice for me, going to buy the 8 core 16 thread i7 next year maybe.
The vega 64 is pretty awesome huh? It's faster than my old 980ti and equally as overclockable. Great card to have at the moment as you're going to get to wait out this horrible gpu market.

Zachary Watson
Zachary Watson

Pretty sure it is. Linus even encouraged it. Just be sure not to touch the PSU when it's turned on.

Jayden Bailey
Jayden Bailey

Jow Forums, what's the consensus?
Is the 3700X too overkill for gaming? Or should I just stick with the 3600 or 3600X?

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Liam Mitchell
Liam Mitchell

I hope you had fun shopping for your 3400G

Try overclocking first faggot

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Brody Smith
Brody Smith

Best ram to get without rainbows comming out of my ass? Why would I even need gold coated ram like Skill-G ones if my case is going to be closed all the time?

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Brandon Long
Brandon Long

Thanks. Not going to touch it at all when turned on. My reason is that the components are replacing a live, running server and I want to minimise downtime by having it all ready before the part swap.

Dominic Phillips
Dominic Phillips

OC it yourself.

For PS3 emulation, you should be getting a 3700X.
What's with the retarded drive choices and mini GPU? I'm pretty sure the node 202 fits larger GPUs than that.

depends on what you play for fucks sake
not every single game utilizes the same amount of CPU.

Noah Martin
Noah Martin

is it safe just to run them inside the mobo box

The inside of the box is safe the outside might not be

Alexander Bailey
Alexander Bailey

You mean Linus the guy that made Linux?

Christopher Sanchez
Christopher Sanchez

should i sell my gigabyte g1 1080 for an rx 5700 xt
kind of hard to directly compare them due to 1080 being older

Aiden Robinson
Aiden Robinson

your r5 3400g is TRASH. You are making this thing RIGHT NOW yet you couldn't slap a rdna 7nm GPU on it??? It's probably like 3 clicks of a mouse in your dumb HDL program
You do realize that the 3400g is just a 2400g refresh on a 12nm process, right?

And without the HBM it doesn't matter anyway, since it would be bottlenecked by DDR4 bandwidth.

Caleb Harris
Caleb Harris

3200mhz

Josiah Jenkins
Josiah Jenkins

yikes. And still didn't learn after over 2 years?
At that resolutions the cpu isn't important or is it?

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Aiden Gutierrez
Aiden Gutierrez

brand?

Christian Lewis
Christian Lewis

Just buy a transparent case to go with it

Elijah Cruz
Elijah Cruz

Unless he has opened it up and disassembled the psu and touching the primary side, why couldn't he touch it?
12V or 5V is gonna gonna kill you.

Landon Nelson
Landon Nelson

trying to help my friend build his first PC. His budget is 1200$ USD and he wants to play games at 1080p res 60fps along with some slight video editing for youtube purposes. he already has a basic 1080p monitor, though i forgot exactly which one along with a keyboard and other standard peripherals. this is what he has looked at so far pcpartpicker.com/list/7nwjfH. thanks for any help

Hunter Wood
Hunter Wood

That's the one I'm using, also using NTFS doesn't work for me

Landon Morgan
Landon Morgan

For PS3 emulation, you should be getting a 3700X.
Any particular reason why? I've seen some "benchmarks" with the 3600 and it seemed to run fine.

What's with the retarded drive choices
The case can only fit 2.5" dries and i want some local storage, the M."s are for the OSs drives

and mini GPU?
It was the cheapest 2060 listed there not necessarily the actual card I'll be getting.

Aiden Rivera
Aiden Rivera

why is the 9700k always left out?

Eli Richardson
Eli Richardson

I'm running 8400 with 1660 Ti and everything run just fine with max unit size (not max settings)

Brandon Collins
Brandon Collins

nvidia named their refreshed carts super for some retarded reason
tfw almost bought Palit GeForce RTX 2070 Super JetStream

Joseph Reyes
Joseph Reyes

Any reason to upgrade an i7 6700k yet?

Luke Long
Luke Long

eq/dsp
I tried oratory hd600->harman and I actually prefer no EQ.
stax
I liked the L700 the most, of the ones I tried in Japan. I'll probably get it once I move to japan, in part as a way to celebrate it. About that, I'm doing job interviews but so far no dice. I did notice they tend to contact back more often now that I have both aws pro certifications, so there's hope.
modi2/magni3
I'm super happy with my Topping DX3 now. I'm now using the Modi2/Magni2 at work with the MSR7, which is overkill, but improves on the laptop output considerably.
vega64
I have a good case and cooling, and the card is the nitro+, so it runs pretty cold and happy. As I'm not on 4K or the like, I don't care that much about the performance, so I'm running it with the power vs efficiency switch set to efficiency.
wait out horrible GPU market
Yes, that's what I'm hoping to do. Whatever is out there by late 2020 or by 2021 is definitely going to be worth it against what I have and what is out there right now.
gonna buy Intel next year
We'll have to see what the situation is like next year. It's not like AMD is frozen at its current CPU lineup. From my perspective, unless Intel fixed their Spectre stuff (unlikely), their hardware isn't even in the table.

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Matthew Allen
Matthew Allen

3600 is best value for modern gpu
unless you stream

Camden Perez
Camden Perez

the RTX 2070 Super is actually a different GPU from the nonSuper. the Super is a cut-down 2080.

Brandon Bennett
Brandon Bennett

One last check; anyone see any issues with this? Upgrading mobo, keeping my 1070 and 300 illiusion. Have a hyper 212 evo. Replacing PSU to be safe since current one is over 10 years old.

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Oliver Anderson
Oliver Anderson

2x8 3200 cl16 is best value
lpx vengeance of ripjaws V

Sebastian Sullivan
Sebastian Sullivan

Apparently Asrock Pro4 works? techspot.com/review/1872-ryzen-9-on-older-motherboards/

Caleb Bennett
Caleb Bennett

Usually doesn't matter.
Line up all the available 3200mhz that you have for sale - then go find the number that looks like this -
15-16-16-39
Look at the first number (15), and compare all the ram. If one has a lower number, that will be a better ram.
If you see a difference of 1~ for $20, it's not going to be worth it either. Weigh up the costs.

But if you cbf'd doing all that (I don't blame you), just get the cheapest 3200mhz, it really shouldn't matter much at all.

Adrian Hernandez
Adrian Hernandez

Someone will need to correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty certain that gaming through a 4k television will not output a 4k resolution 80% of the time. You'll get an output of 1080p.
Yes, you are very wrong. Of course a 4K television will output a 4K screen, what are you on?

Jason Brooks
Jason Brooks

Is the stock cooler for the 3600 alright? Or should I bump it to 3600X?

Tyler Williams
Tyler Williams

ryzen 3700x or 2700x if can't fit budget
1700 is a bit short

Jordan Peterson
Jordan Peterson

3600x
literally a 3600 with 100mhz more that make no difference

Aaron Reyes
Aaron Reyes

user the closest I could find was 15-16-18-35, what do? Is it good enough to go to the next step?

Elijah Myers
Elijah Myers

the RTX 2070 Super is actually a different GPU from the nonSuper.

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Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

Douuuhhhh productivity

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Juan Sullivan
Juan Sullivan

if stock clock
nah
if OC 3600 the cooler might be not enough

Jeremiah Carter
Jeremiah Carter

Just achieved a post on my ryzen system after bending cpu pins back and assembling in 94 degree weather, drenched in sweat

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Grayson Sanchez
Grayson Sanchez

Yeah that's fine dude. Don't stress too much with that number. 15 - 16 is usually the standard for ddr4 3200mhz. You're good to go.
Ram isn't too special. Just find the cheapest of the bunch - branding doesn't matter too much.

Joshua Roberts
Joshua Roberts

Is the PowerColor Navi AMD Radeon RX 5700 XT a good model?

Wyatt Watson
Wyatt Watson

Forgot to mention, do intend to OC

Asher Nguyen
Asher Nguyen

it doesnt have pins?

Levi Lee
Levi Lee

i really doubt that

Carson Hall
Carson Hall

Wait for the custom cards in a few weeks.

Jaxon Martinez
Jaxon Martinez

I started building my pc, but the CPU didn't arrive yet. So I started building it. After finishing, I wanted to see if at least the thing booted up with no CPU error. The thing doesn't even turn on. Only a flash of white near the io panel. Is this normal?

Levi Taylor
Levi Taylor

intend to OC
Then you shouldn't buy ryzen. Turning on PBO is always better performance than manual OC.

Aaron Allen
Aaron Allen

buying blower
pleb tier

Sebastian Kelly
Sebastian Kelly

I know, I meant that I almost bought Palit 2070 Super JetStream thinking it's an RTX 2070 Super, but it's just a regular RTX 2070 called "Super JetStream" and came out last year lol. they should put some warning on it because it's literally called 2070 Super

Brayden Nguyen
Brayden Nguyen

bongistan lays
g'day muhammad

Camden Williams
Camden Williams

I think that the original 2070 was supposed to be just a cut-down 2080, the eventual 2070 that we got is a lower-tier GPU.

Gabriel Reyes
Gabriel Reyes

What power supply brand do i buy

Brayden Reed
Brayden Reed

Yeah no shit.

Nolan Long
Nolan Long

Aren't those going to be more expensive? I just want to sell my old card while it still covers most of the cost of the new card.

Zachary Thomas
Zachary Thomas

Can find Cryorig in NA anymore

Blake Myers
Blake Myers

Is there a good 2700x/3600 mobo deal that I can get for 300 bucks? only found one deal in micro center

Xavier Walker
Xavier Walker

Should I spend an extra £30 for an 860 EVO over an MX500?

Aaron Garcia
Aaron Garcia

Any reason not to buy it then put a custom fan on?

Juan Ramirez
Juan Ramirez

Depends on the model you choose obviously, but most are only marginally more expensive, like 10-20$.
For it, its worth it to not have a loud shitty blower on the card.

Kevin Scott
Kevin Scott

Aren't those going to be more expensive?
it's still less expensive than having an underperforming/fried gpu due to poor cooling

Adrian Taylor
Adrian Taylor

Laziness?
Id rather just have the out of box experience, so im waiting myself.

Andrew Lee
Andrew Lee

rpcs3 benefits from having more physical cores rather than logical ones.

Gavin Thomas
Gavin Thomas

no

Levi Barnes
Levi Barnes

is it known already if ryzen 4000 will also support am4 socket or will amd make a new socket for it?

Nathan Gray
Nathan Gray

samsung reliability is superior to crucial
do you want to gamble or spend those 80 bucks
up to you
if you have one one hand go for it
if you need to buy one don't

Brody Edwards
Brody Edwards

My evaluation was that they're meh. I did not buy them again.

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Parker Price
Parker Price

Anyone who takes advice from this thread is a retard.

Brandon Robinson
Brandon Robinson

I'm reading conflicting info on it. So is it normal or not?

Luis Perez
Luis Perez

3600 "strongly recommended" by techcheetos for its value over the 9600k
memory speed kept constant at 3200 mhz during benchmarks for muh scientific method
memory frequency dependence tests to come later

That he hasn't even mentioned the risk of ryzen 3 having high memory speed dependence is negligent and straight up misinformation. If you need to buy the magic memory to make ryzen perform well, that can quickly invalidate the price/performance argument

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Owen Long
Owen Long

he can up it too 3700 or 2700 for sure. he made this small list before a good amount of time ago. any other advice on what to add? thanks

Asher Ortiz
Asher Ortiz

Will the 1080s price likely drop by then?

John Morgan
John Morgan

So if I sink my whole pc in Mineral Oil what could happend? Wouldnt that be actually better in the long run?

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Carter Anderson
Carter Anderson

Ignore literally everyone telling you to stick with the stock cooler, it sucks. It doesn't suck for the 2000 ryzen stuff but it sure as hell does for the 3600/x. I replaced mine with an aftermarket even and only saw temps go down to 75 as opposed to 85 under load, and you should expect to idle around 50-55. It's not a house fire in the making but shit runs hot.

Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

overpaying for that ram
best trustable models would be lpx vegeance or ripjaws V
also maybe going for a gold rated PSU if you can find at good price
btw what GPU?

Alexander Long
Alexander Long

meanwhile im jelly of all the AMDtards because i, a intlet, bought a H series mobo and a non-k i7 thinking i could overclock it
i cant even try to OC the memory

Jaxson Diaz
Jaxson Diaz

win7 is dead
you gonna tell him to use win8? vista? ubuntu?

Isaac Rogers
Isaac Rogers

he didnt read what the k means

Colton Watson
Colton Watson

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David Richardson
David Richardson

Anyone able to comment on this build?

pcpartpicker.com/list/kgxtw6

Debating between the 2700 and 2700x
Going to use stock wraith for now until I find a cooler I want.
HDD, PSU, and other stuff I already have.

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Evan Hernandez
Evan Hernandez

ok thanks for that about the ram. ya i think going gold would be a good call too. he mentioned a 2070 at one point, but is that overkill for 1080p 60fps?

Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

3600 is better
that mobo is garbage
that SSD is garbage
that GPU is garbage
that case is garbage

The RAM is OK. Great job.

Jack Scott
Jack Scott

does it matter if a case explicitly advertises its cooling mounts as radiator compatible or can i just look for cases with say 2x120mm top fan mounts and mount a 240 rad there?

Matthew Walker
Matthew Walker

the oil would eventually heat up and all the parts would overheat unless you're literally using like 15+ gallons of mineral oil. It's a stupid thing people do to try and impress others.

John King
John King

but is that overkill for 1080p 60fps?
yeah at that point might as well go 1440p 60MHz
or increase refresh rate of 1080p monitor cuz he'll be missing on those 100+ fps
you can find decent 1080 144MHz or even 240Mhz for good prices

Logan Johnson
Logan Johnson

He also says 9600k is better than 3900x
What now?

Jose Stewart
Jose Stewart

What's your actual budget?
You're trying too hard to go for deprecated clearout parts.

Asher Rivera
Asher Rivera

so with consoles potentially offering an 8 core CPU, would it be better for me to get an 8 core for gaming?

Oliver Long
Oliver Long

He
Who?

Ryan Gray
Ryan Gray

AMD stock cooler is pretty good. What cooler do you want anyway that you need to change it?
2700 or 2700X
3600 or 3600X if you have the money.

Jason Reyes
Jason Reyes

depending on the case, it may not have enough clearance for fans AND a radiator to hang above the motherboard.

Jaxon White
Jaxon White

Anyone?

Julian Myers
Julian Myers

fan compatibility doesn't translate into rad compatibility even if they use the same fan size

Aiden King
Aiden King

Will the 2080 super actually be any good? At the current pricing it feels like you might as well bite the bullet and push your budget into a 2080 ti

Adrian Gonzalez
Adrian Gonzalez

OC the memory yourself. tbqh dont think its a big deal if the memory is stable. entirely possible the memory is incompatible with the mobo so you have minor issues to get into compatibility mode

Nicholas Fisher
Nicholas Fisher

looks good to me. Although if you intend to upgrade the CPU in the future anyway, might as well save some money and get the 2200G.

Julian Clark
Julian Clark

Techpowerup

Jacob Robinson
Jacob Robinson

PSU is an obsolete 10 year old model, build otherwise fine. Get focus gold.

Tyler Price
Tyler Price

How much is your budget?

Jace Scott
Jace Scott

pcpartpicker.com/list/TVXFcY

Is this a good one, just for gaming (and for lasting for several years)?

Joseph Lewis
Joseph Lewis

The shit CPU and PSU are all I can see

Samuel Howard
Samuel Howard

probably not the best place to ask but...

Anyone knows if AMD plans to get their windows OpenGL drivers on par with their Linux ones?

Dominic Hall
Dominic Hall

Cholesterol is bad for your PC.

Luis Miller
Luis Miller

I'd suggest getting G.Skill RipJaws 3200MHz CL16 if possible

Levi Butler
Levi Butler

Change your SSD. Buy samsung.

Cooper Nelson
Cooper Nelson

5700xt does more good for less bucks

Eli Turner
Eli Turner

not him but are they better than corsair lpx?

Ryder Green
Ryder Green

zotac
blower
get one of these if you want a 2070
amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-RTX-2070-Architecture/dp/B07KWX4NL8/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=2070&qid=1563043093&s=electronics&sr=1-6
amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-RTX-2070-Architecture/dp/B07KWMXKJQ/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=2070&qid=1563043093&s=electronics&sr=1-5

Brody Torres
Brody Torres

I don't have the patience to wait another month for buying a new setup
Will do

Other than that, will this pc last for like 7/10 years?

Angel Long
Angel Long

It worked, thanks again

Camden Anderson
Camden Anderson

i need to contact him later and find out what the refresh rate of his montior is. thanks for your help, ill work on tweaking this list some more

Isaac Evans
Isaac Evans

I don't have the patience to wait another month for buying a new setup
you'll regret it when it'll come out

Jordan Nguyen
Jordan Nguyen

glad i could help

Colton King
Colton King

What is the better deal right now?
AIB RTX 2070 SUPER for 620$
AIB RTX 2070 for 525$
Reference RX 5700 XT 495$
Those are the cheapest one I've been able to find in my country (MSI). right now I'm torn between reference 5700XT and AIB 2070 Super. Are an aftermarket cooler instead of blower and slightly better performance worth 125 more? I'm also considering waiting for AIB 5700XTs, but they probably will be more expensive than the reference onces at launch and I'm tired of waiting

Nathaniel Moore
Nathaniel Moore

okay, but aside from clearance (which i was already considering), is there any difference in mounting points, like what implies?

Jack Miller
Jack Miller

will this pc last for like 7/10 years?
What do you use it for? or do you mean it will not broken that many years? Please elaborate.

Luis Brown
Luis Brown

Thanks for the advice; I've updated the build:

pcpartpicker.com/list/g9dg8Y

No set budget, but would rather be price-conscious

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Ryan Bennett
Ryan Bennett

Is the MSI X470 GAMING M7 AC the best non x570 motherboard for these new AMD CPUs?

Jackson Moore
Jackson Moore

nv1660
I'd go for a radeon 5700 for a good performance bump and a proper full amd build.
ddr4-3200
I'd evaluate prices of ram to see if it's feasible to get ddr4-3600.
3600x
I'd upgrade CPU to 3700x or downgrade it to 3600. The 3600x isn't a peak of value.

Chase Miller
Chase Miller

B450M is considered the best mobo's.
They're cheap and work with the new cpu's if flashed.
Just make sure they have the flashbios setting.

Josiah King
Josiah King

I'm torn between reference 5700XT and AIB 2070 Super
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2070-Super-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4048vs4045
you tell me
I'm also considering waiting for AIB 5700XT
worth the price bump
i've been waiting 8 years for my upgrade and i want the aib 5700xt, 1 month is nothing and you'll not regret it

Oliver Parker
Oliver Parker

Which bit runs the hottest? I've got a VRM heatsink to mount.

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Isaiah Carter
Isaiah Carter

How the fuck do I get the am4 wraith cooler seated? As soon as I put a screw on one side in the other side REFUSES to go in

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Lucas Johnson
Lucas Johnson

wrong, 3600 will not OC to 3600x stock speeds and 3600x will OC past that

Kayden Bell
Kayden Bell

i would get a 3600 instead and use the $50 to get a radeon 5700 if you can wait for better coolers, otherwise you should change the GPU, the asus strix model is good but the asus dual fan has always been garbage
amazon.com/MSI-GeForce-GTX-1660-Ti/dp/B07N825Y1L/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=1660 ti&qid=1563043803&s=gateway&sr=8-6
this one cost the same but is much better

Hudson Wright
Hudson Wright

Just for gaming
What I mean is that I hope that pc configuration will last for 7/10 years until I must upgrade it
I don't really care that much for 4k, 200 fps, ultra high setting and so on.

Daniel Ross
Daniel Ross

think really hard senpai you can do it

Justin Clark
Justin Clark

If you plan to OC, then you want a good cooler, not stock.
If you have extra money to spend on a cooler, you're better off spending it on getting a higher CPU like the 3700x.

Juan Howard
Juan Howard

Thanks for the quick feedback. I'll wait for the better fans on the 5700, and get the 3600 instead.

I'm trying to update my build that's currently using a AMD Radeon HD 6850 and a AMD Phenom II X4 965, would it at all be feasible to upgrade everything but the GPU at this time, or should I wait to upgrade everything at once?

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Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

ask your mom to screw the other one at the same time

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

The price in here for the zotac is way lower than the msi

Noah Rivera
Noah Rivera

Difference between 3700x vs 3600 is really small dude - for the price, 3600 is always better for gaming.
youtube.com/watch?v=0GjSiLbCtHU

Aiden Gutierrez
Aiden Gutierrez

Yes it will "last" if thats how you use it. 7-10 years is pretty long time so i'm sure between that time you will be upgrading some or even all of it thought.

James Adams
James Adams

Motherboard hardware RAID or mdadm software RAID?

Joshua Nguyen
Joshua Nguyen

ryzen
OC
lol, enjoy your 1% gains for +30 degrees heat

Carson Murphy
Carson Murphy

Who the FUCK designed this shit to require 3 hands

Evan Bennett
Evan Bennett

people with friends

James Brown
James Brown

You'll probably be able to play shit at 30-60fps low by 7 years, past which you'll really start to struggle

Dylan Richardson
Dylan Richardson

Just got a 3600 on a B450 working. Nice. Installing debian stable.
Nice.

Jackson Reed
Jackson Reed

Nice

Chase Hill
Chase Hill

nice

Wyatt Martin
Wyatt Martin

Will I be able to use normally use a computer (web browsing and programming) without a GPU for some time? I already have all the parts except 5700 xt, because I'm waiting for non-reference cards and I've been wondering if it's worth puttiing it together now

Brayden Bailey
Brayden Bailey

which mobo

Levi Long
Levi Long

Depends on your CPU.Most ryzens don't have integrated. I actually have a cheap little shitter PCI card for this kind of thing.

MSI B450-A PRO

Has a CPU-less flashing system which is NEAT

Connor Brown
Connor Brown

Oh well. I hope to not spend an another fortune buying new parts

Luke Bell
Luke Bell

I bought some E die RAM rated at 3200mhz cl16 @ 1.35v.

In regards to OCing, can I just set frequency to 3600mhz and voltage to 1.4-1.45v and call it a day? I really don't want to figure out timings and VCCIO and such.

Luke Jones
Luke Jones

Ok thanks mate, I'll do some research.

Jayden Anderson
Jayden Anderson

CPUs last a long time these days, it's mainly GPUs that are bottlenecks and how tech changes over time. Even 1gb of VRAM was considered excessive 9 years ago

Andrew Cox
Andrew Cox

Trial and error dude. Most bios' can stress test the values.

Colton Wilson
Colton Wilson

without a GPU for some time?
You won't at all, unless you picked a CPU with integrated GPU. None of the current Zen2 chips are.
You can use an old GPU if you have one, even if it's crap, as long as it's pci-e.
If you don't have one, you can get people to loan or give you their old GPUs easily. Just ask around your circles.
(web browsing and programming)
Shit GPU should be no issue.

Jaxson Brown
Jaxson Brown

Yes if you use APU. Other than that you will need dGPU.

Anthony White
Anthony White

Woops, in regards to the previous post, didn't mean to put the 'M' at the end. Just look at B450's in general, and check if they have BIOS flashback as always.
He's a quick reference labelling some of the mobo's that have it. (MSI has the most.)

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James Miller
James Miller

how does it compare to a tomahawk?

Julian Nguyen
Julian Nguyen

newegg.com/amd-a6-7th-gen-a6-9500/p/N82E16819113454

Can I flash my bios on a B450 mobo with this?

Aaron Gray
Aaron Gray

Less useful at removing scalps or cutting trees. If you're refering to a brand name of some motherboard, no idea. This bad boy has 6 SATA and no RBGs which is why I got it.

Robert Allen
Robert Allen

got pissed off at my tomahawk and traded it for a x570

Xavier Brooks
Xavier Brooks

Anyone that can spot room for improvement or optimisation with this planned build? I intend to use it for 3D environments, that includes modelling, rendering, having a hundred chrome tabs or videos open, explorer windows open, possibly gaming on the best or second best graphical settings.

pcpartpicker.com/list/x7NWWD planned build

800-1300$ budget assuming i can save on some of the components i already have
the components being upgraded are the processor, motherboard, graphics card, ram
considering if i should upgrade my monitor to a 144Hz 1440p display, or if i should buy cheaper 2x16 RAM with heat spreaders to overclock it, or if i should keep the PSU
already have my drives covered
not sure about the case i already have and it's missing a top fan
mobo prices are usually 230$ or above here

jowforums.com/thread/71855974/technology for more detailed information

pcpartpicker.com/list/8qmLhy currently what i have

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Evan Thompson
Evan Thompson

Check your mobo supported cpu list. Its ussualy on its website.

Alexander Jackson
Alexander Jackson

AH! Thanks for the pic, I was using that for a reference already anyway, but kind to include it.
Ok, that makes more sense now, not the 'm' models.
Wonder what the improvements are for me going from a i5 4690k to a 3700 or 3600. I do a lot of video editing and have loads of videos open usually too, I'm thinking it will render much faster and I have tons of software open usually so more cores and threads will help spread the load.

Joshua Lopez
Joshua Lopez

Keep your radeon. Go 3900x + ddr4-3600 ram.

Isaac Thompson
Isaac Thompson

If you're refering to a brand name of some motherboard
yeah compared to b450 tomahawk from MSI
pcpartpicker.com/product/Hy97YJ/msi-b450-tomahawk-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-tomahawk

Jackson Roberts
Jackson Roberts

If you plan on doing a hybrid rig for gaming and productivity through editing, 3700x is considered a good middleground for it, whereas the 3600(X) is designed mostly for gaming, (although you can still get some good render times out of it).
This video is really informative on the differences, check it out. It goes into productivity and gaming.
youtube.com/watch?v=0GjSiLbCtHU&t
And you're totes right, those extra cores will definitely help.
Don't underestimate the value of upgrading your ram too in your build to something like 3200mhz if you think it needs an upgrade.

Joshua Nelson
Joshua Nelson

pcpartpicker.com/list/vCHr3b
Or do what the other guy said and get the 3900x.

Hudson Cruz
Hudson Cruz

newfag here
B450 vs X470
what's the difference?
for a 3600X

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Nathan Torres
Nathan Torres

what was the issue? tomahawk is one of the boards i'm looking at, along with the carbon

Noah Hughes
Noah Hughes

SLI

Asher Mitchell
Asher Mitchell

what about vrm and OCability

Isaac Wilson
Isaac Wilson

depends on the board.
youtube.com/watch?v=zuyuS04lD4o

Joseph Campbell
Joseph Campbell

OCability
Won't know till months where people will compare all the mobo's

Benjamin Morales
Benjamin Morales

Wouldn't that just further a GPU bottleneck in that build?

Samuel Campbell
Samuel Campbell

i mean if one chipset OC better with 2000 serie, shouldn't it translate the same with 3000 serie?

Carter Wood
Carter Wood

Are EVGA gpus good?

David Sullivan
David Sullivan

from what i hear they're the nvidia gold standard

Robert Sanders
Robert Sanders

About to buy the EVGA 2060 super, I'm not making a mistake are I?

Ayden Lopez
Ayden Lopez

why would you instead of the rx 5700 /xt

Jace Murphy
Jace Murphy

gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2060-Super-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4049vs4045
my advice waitfag till mid august for AIB 5700xt from sapphire (the gold standard of amd)
that's what i'm doing

Ayden Wood
Ayden Wood

thats what I planned to do but I can't really wait till mid-august, that's when I go back to school

Jose King
Jose King

compromising over a few weeks
for something you will own for years and years

Dumb

Zachary Lee
Zachary Lee

you'll seethe when other people will show up in sept with a superior product knowing that you're stuck with sub par investment for a few years
anyways what's 1 month of lost gameplay compared to the years that you'll enjoy the product

Jaxon Edwards
Jaxon Edwards

3900X
9900K is faster & at the same price point, unless the VAT in Europe makes it different for him

Charles Williams
Charles Williams

The chipset isn't the thing that controls OC capabilities, that's down to your chip. Memory and BCLK OC is where your motherboard comes into play and that is hard to evaluate from a physical or visual inspection that Bullzoid is doing.

Kevin Rodriguez
Kevin Rodriguez

Is the 5700 really that superior to the super though? they're essentially the same except the 5700 is $50 cheaper, the only thing I'm sacrificing is 50 bucks

Ethan Edwards
Ethan Edwards

9900K is faster & at the same price poin

I guess you didnt read where he said
I intend to use it for 3D environments, that includes modelling, rendering, having a hundred chrome tabs or videos open, explorer windows open, possibly gaming on the best or second best graphical settings.

Landon Robinson
Landon Robinson

alright
thanks for the info

Evan Martinez
Evan Martinez

the 5700 xt is matching the 2070 super

Brody Butler
Brody Butler

gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-2060-Super-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4049vs4045
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-5700-vs-AMD-RX-5700-XT/4046vs4045
gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-5700-vs-Nvidia-RTX-2060-Super/4046vs4049
5700xt>>2060s
and the 5700 are blowers so when fanned version come out they'll blow 2060s out of the water both in value and perf

Luis Clark
Luis Clark

It worked, thanks again
Perfect. Remember that for future. When things don't work after installing or removing pc components. It's just the bios failing to recognise things. The reset is basically a refresh for the bios

Jose Jenkins
Jose Jenkins

Ok fair enough, I can wait. I've already ordered all my other parts which should come in the next few days, should I wait until I get the gpu to assemble everything?

Charles Garcia
Charles Garcia

i mean, you won't be able to do anything with it without a gpu, but it's up to you
if your cpu has an integrated one you can use it

Angel White
Angel White

3600?

Jason Martin
Jason Martin

all this talk about cpu by resolution
I thought the cpu's work had nothing to do with your resolution

Leo Thompson
Leo Thompson

nope
only models ending with "G" haven integrated graphics for amd

Justin Scott
Justin Scott

no integrated gpu on the ryzen 3600

Nolan Bailey
Nolan Bailey

When should I replace my power supply?
I built my current PC 5 years ago, I bought a normal Seasonic PSU.
A few years ago I got a deal on a Modular Seasonic PSU and threw it in.

Im commited to upgrading my PC, I cant decide if I should use the old PSU or not. EIther PSU I have laying around has 2-3 years use on it. I turn my PC off every night.
I know seasonics are pretty good, but I dont want it failing and hurting my new rig.

Brandon Thompson
Brandon Thompson

so i have a b350 pc mate will i be able to use the new ryzen chips?

Joshua Ramirez
Joshua Ramirez

jowforums.com/thread/71863644/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71863644/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71863644/technology

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

Most seasonics come with a 10 year warranty and are probably the most reliable in the business. What wattage and rating is it though? What kind of system are you upgrading to?

Juan Barnes
Juan Barnes

ah, that's fine though, I'll just wait for the sapphire. maybe by then the kinks with the bios will be ironed out too

Jack Long
Jack Long

yes

Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

bios update im assuming? (im going to wait a few months any way)

Isaac Ortiz
Isaac Ortiz

yes
forgot to mention it

Justin Rodriguez
Justin Rodriguez

blue

Carson Adams
Carson Adams

Any answer fucker ?

Parker Price
Parker Price

I'll have to upgrade to DDR4 anyway, because I'm still on DDR3 with that haswell i5. I'm aiming for 32gb of 3200 mhz ram like you mentioned. I'll have to look into all that cl14, cl16 stuff too.
That video shows there isn't that much difference between the 3700x and the 3600, very interesting. Might consider saving some money for other parts and going for the 3600 maybe.

Logan Evans
Logan Evans

What's the best value mobo to be able to use the 5700?

Luis Cooper
Luis Cooper

Yeah you totally won't be able to have a lot of tabs open and doing your 3D environments stuff on a 9900k
These new AMD CPU's are the first time people have been able to open tabs and do rendering

Nicholas Wood
Nicholas Wood

Oh he could totally do it with the 9900K
He could just do it better with the 3900X for less money.

Levi Allen
Levi Allen

Gaming is his lowest priority AIUI. He can get a better GPU later. Better than doing it today, that is.

Isaiah Cruz
Isaiah Cruz

It is though? Not sure what you're getting at here.

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