How can anybody hate Windows?

Xavier Clark
Xavier Clark

It's just so... convenient

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Cooper Bell
Cooper Bell

convenient eh
update all your programs, user

Dominic Evans
Dominic Evans

updates? windows programs don't need updates because they're not written by neet neckbeards

Landon Rogers
Landon Rogers

Programs keep themselves updated

Hudson Walker
Hudson Walker

Windows program s do not need updates
I cannot even.

Nicholas Adams
Nicholas Adams

71863775
not worth a (you)

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Jaxon Stewart
Jaxon Stewart

Get-Disk
Get-Disk 1 | Clear-Disk -RemoveData
NewPartition -DiskNumber 1 -UseMaximumSize | Format-Volume -FileSystem NTFS -NewFileSystemLabel myDrive

meanwhile in freetard land
lsblk
mkfs.ext4 -L muhlabel /dev/sdx1
or even
cfdisk/cgdisk

Adam Wilson
Adam Wilson

update foss programs for everything
ninite
update drivers
windows does so automatically, only manual update is for graphics
update proprietary programs
program updates automatically, either in background or after asking for your permission

Carter Mitchell
Carter Mitchell

71863775

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Michael Phillips
Michael Phillips

As retarded as that user is, programs that do just work don’t need to be fucked with
Things working so well is how you get 30+ year old mills still running Windows 3.1

Levi Johnson
Levi Johnson

it's better to memorize an obscure command than use proper naming conventions and complete syntax
Is this what freetards actually believe?

Anthony Phillips
Anthony Phillips

choco upgrade all
Done.

Oliver Brown
Oliver Brown

list block devices
make file system ext4 with label muhlabel
yeah completely obscure
4/10 got a reply

Christopher Williams
Christopher Williams

why don't the commands work that way then?
why do I have to type
mkfs.ext4 -L muhlabel /dev/sdx1
if I could just type
make file system ext4 with label muhlabel
?

Hunter Clark
Hunter Clark

you can use any shell you want on linux anyway

Luis Robinson
Luis Robinson

go get a smartphone if you want to talk to a digital assistant in english

Colton Bell
Colton Bell

Giving up privacy for convenience is a bad idea, be warned OP.

Logan Garcia
Logan Garcia

Its so convenient for viruses and lag (on low-ram PCs).

But, now they are finally getting their shit together.

Andrew Martin
Andrew Martin

Fucking 16:9 is terrible for non-media/game consumption. Why can't we get a fucking good 5:4 monitor. Fuck.

Caleb Bennett
Caleb Bennett

You have to be full retard to get a virus. Like clicking on spam email links retarded.

Angel Stewart
Angel Stewart

Because we don't want computer that speaks our language, we want to give them orders and treat them like our bitches

Dylan Robinson
Dylan Robinson

it just werks and I don't need to update anything

Hudson Jenkins
Hudson Jenkins

(pic related)
refresh rate

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Ayden Taylor
Ayden Taylor

Proprietary

Jaxson Foster
Jaxson Foster

linux just werks
windows' commands aren't obfuscated and they work pretty well
nobody wants that, it's just that "list block devices" is better than "lsblk"

Parker Stewart
Parker Stewart

Things working so well is how you get 30+ year old mills still running Windows 3.1
More like each newer version being more abysmal than the previous one is how you get that

Christian Johnson
Christian Johnson

I don't need to. They update themselves when I'm not using it.

Isaiah James
Isaiah James

never again

Christopher Kelly
Christopher Kelly

3.1 works for 30 years
new windows embeded mills crash regularly.
just because somthing used to be good doesnt mean it remains good each release.

Ayden Ward
Ayden Ward

Just ask Cortana to do it for you lol

Zachary Peterson
Zachary Peterson

Yeah, I bet you'll also defend ftw as the obvious shorthand for file tree walk.
Autistic abbreviations are stupid.

Hudson Davis
Hudson Davis

that thread when the school spaz huffs too many Sharpies and discovers Jow Forums

Thomas Brown
Thomas Brown

I'm pretty sure that if you grew with the first one you'd shit on the second one. You can hate a lot of things about Windows and Microsoft, but powershell is great and you're just shitting on it either because it's new or because it's made by Microsoft. Or both.

John Young
John Young

needless verbosity is good
Go away.

Angel Butler
Angel Butler

readability is bad
I bet you love Perl.

Joseph Lopez
Joseph Lopez

Every program includes it's own bloated updater.

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David Rivera
David Rivera

Shitty file system that slows down all my build times because of excessive "anti-virus" checks

Landon Barnes
Landon Barnes

you can use powershell core on linux, ja?

what a blessed relief

Jason Allen
Jason Allen

Personally, I don't really like the syntax of powershell. But my main problem with it is all the different version of it that exist, and the major differences between them. Writing powershell scripts that will run on many different versions is nearly impossible. I know this is a problem for POSIX-like shells too, but this seems to be an essentially impossble task on powershell.

Zachary Collins
Zachary Collins

You have to be full retard to get a virus. Like clicking on spam email links retarded.

Not true. If you install software alot of times safe software will ask you to install other software that is malicious like spyware or adware. With Linux you don't have to worry about stuff like that since you choose what to install and every Linux software can be installed from trusted repos. Windows isn't as bad as Jow Forums makes it out to be but it still is a problem.

Wyatt Wright
Wyatt Wright

pic related

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Justin Stewart
Justin Stewart

dodging valid criticism with an insult, that's a classic.

Luke Garcia
Luke Garcia

ha...h...Winblows programs d...dont even n..need updates, take that nixnerds he

Enjoy your security vulnerabilities by not updating your software. Why do you retards who know nothing about technology come to a fucking tech board.

Thomas Brooks
Thomas Brooks

I don't need to update my programs, unlike linux which sometime breaks all of my programs

Brayden Brown
Brayden Brown

python

<cough>

Daniel Martinez
Daniel Martinez

samefag

Samuel Perry
Samuel Perry

I know nothing about tech but come here to live out my chuuni fantasies. I lurk and imagine myself posting while talking to anons, though.

Lincoln Ortiz
Lincoln Ortiz

I must say, Win10 is one of the most comfy versions to come out.
If you spend the few minutes and braincells (which Jow Forums seems to be short on) you can get rid of the bloatware tiles and really customize your layout to be super neat.
OS runs pretty flawlessly and now they are coming out with a Win Console. I'm curious what they are going to do with it, but currently it looks like a powershell manager in some sort of regard, but could become more interesting as it's not yet having a full release.
I do like browsing the web on my RPi with Rasbpian (PIXEL) based on Debian, but Win10 is my go-to.

Daniel Parker
Daniel Parker

you can right click and format tho

Adam Rogers
Adam Rogers

Get-Disk
Not diskpart

Daniel Taylor
Daniel Taylor

Python has the same and sometimes even worse problems.

Brayden Richardson
Brayden Richardson

LXDE takes me from login screen to fully interactive desktop in ~1s, but win10 takes 40+s.
windows is bloated garbage

Ethan Smith
Ethan Smith

using capital letters
fuck you

Jason Allen
Jason Allen

Even when using *nix machines I use PowerhShell. I don't see any sense in using utilities that made sacrifices for various and/or no longer relevant reasons. Legacy is not a good argument, and neither is "convention" when nothing is actually consistent. Verbosity isn't valid when tab completion exists.

And don't get me started on how stupid stdio is for a shell and scripts compared to native object comprehension that works with every script you write out of the box instead of doing all the plumbing yourself.
prog | jq | prog2 | yq | xargs ...

Landon Scott
Landon Scott

Verbosity isn't valid when tab completion exists.
And aliases. Again, even on Unix I'd rather have "copy" with an alias of "cp". The same goes for the rest of the utilities.
"uniq" is the worst offender.

Camden Roberts
Camden Roberts

he lets some unpaid neckbeard determine what versions he runs.

Isaac Garcia
Isaac Garcia

PowerShell is legit awful compared to bash.

Thomas Hernandez
Thomas Hernandez

There's no two ways about it, powershell is a ray of light in an sometimes Stygian gloom. Took MS long enough to arrive there. Makes huge sense for them. Being able to leverage the pool of command line admins out there. The tab completion and the help shit is pretty good and there's a growing body of know how on places yt or lynda. Good news for modern man.

Select all squares with
crosswalks
If there are none, click skip

Brandon Hughes
Brandon Hughes

Please explain why you feel that way. In my opinion Bash is probably the worst shell of all time.

Reposting

I have to disagree with this. Bash is so bad that nobody wants to use it in any regard, it exists solely for legal and legacy reasons.
As an interpreter it's slower than the shell it's derived from (Bourne) and it's alternative (Almquist). It's so slow that distros had to reimpliment ash just like they did for sh in the first place (as dash).
The extensions are not worthy of note or use compared to other shells, again so unworthy of importance that it's possible for distros to replace the default sh interpreter as dash which lacks those extensions
as an interactive shell there's no real reason to use it either, shells that are older than it are both faster and have better unique syntax/features and the same is true for shells made after it.
The one and only reason bash exists is because GNU obviously couldn't use the original bourne shell because of the license. And it only exists today because it was the default for so long.

For scripts people target bourne and run in a bourne compatible shell. For interactive I legitimately see anything other than bash, most people I know today are using fish and zsh, some use ksh, I use tcsh, and some people even swear by powershell (because it's object pipeline is unique and can be sensible).

I have never once seen anyone speak well of bash specifically, anything good said about it is inherited from bourne.

Nicholas Morales
Nicholas Morales

NTFS
Why the fuck would anyone use this?

Ethan Martin
Ethan Martin

It's fast as fuck. What would you rather use? It's not like ZFS doesn't work on Windows.

Oliver Martin
Oliver Martin

It's fast as fuck
No it isn't.
What would you rather use?
Literally anything.

Ryan Reyes
Ryan Reyes

dont robodrills have windows 98?

Alexander Cooper
Alexander Cooper

It sounds like you're not being serious and instead are just after attention.

Charles Rodriguez
Charles Rodriguez

Keep believing that, wintoddler. Go defrag your hard disk.

Jack Martin
Jack Martin

You're not making a good stance for your case or your platform (whatever it may be).

Nolan Clark
Nolan Clark

I don't really care what you think. I am merely mocking your awful filesystem of choice.

Matthew Miller
Matthew Miller

You asked, I answered, then for no obvious reason you got too scared to give a serious answer despite being anonymous.
Are you seriously afraid someone is going to mock you for your opinion? Why would it matter. Just name what it is and why and we can have that discussion.

Jaxson Perez
Jaxson Perez

Go defag ur hardly dick.

Jack Parker
Jack Parker

Answer this guy you pleb.

Ayden Garcia
Ayden Garcia

A serious answer to what? Your gay little shitpost? You said "fast as fuck". That makes no sense, considering NTFS is objectively slower than, for example, ext4.

Christian Gray
Christian Gray

ext4
Oh god how embarrassing.

Eli Jones
Eli Jones

How do I learn powershell

Cameron Reyes
Cameron Reyes

You have 5 seconds to explain why ZFS is awful. If you say heavy resource usage you're going to be discredited.

Josiah Foster
Josiah Foster

Says the wintoddler who uses NTFS. What a shitshow nu-Jow Forums is.

Asher Morris
Asher Morris

I don't think ZFS is awful so why would I do that?

Elijah Lee
Elijah Lee

I fucking hate Windows but until GNU/Linux gets its shit together by dumping fucking systemd and the goddamn idea that wayland is in any way good, as well as a ton of other "let's dump a bunch of ill-advised updates with no mind for stability at all" bullshit from fucking everything, it's not worth using.
*BSD
Fuck that. Fuck that nodrivers, barely functional bullshit.
Mac
AHAHAHAno

Bentley Cooper
Bentley Cooper

You literally called it awful.

Kevin Cruz
Kevin Cruz

I called NTFS awful, you illiterate winjeet.

Wyatt Gomez
Wyatt Gomez

You know you can use any init system you want, right?

Jayden Ross
Jayden Ross

Now you're just lying in a thread everyone can read. I knew I was right, you're just goading for attention.

Christopher Brooks
Christopher Brooks

I was going to respond to this with a fulsome exposition but then realized that the 5 seconds had expired.

Brody Perry
Brody Perry

Epic shitpost, prakesh.

Mason Ward
Mason Ward

using some obscure fucking barely supported distro or fucking LFS
HAHAno.

Ian Roberts
Ian Roberts

Use Gentoo...

Kayden Perez
Kayden Perez

install it even
wtf

Jonathan Johnson
Jonathan Johnson

In English, please.

John Butler
John Butler

What the fuck is going on with GNU/Linux right now. They've gone absolutely bonkers.
whoa whoa whoa launchd, the Windows registry, and distributing libraries with applications is so bad!
10 years later
systemd, systemd, snap+docker+all the other things that do this

Nicholas Cox
Nicholas Cox

desperately fishing

Parker Nguyen
Parker Nguyen

For what? I can't understand your post at all. Post in English when on an English speaking imageboard.

Michael Morgan
Michael Morgan

It's that familiar trajectory. Taken by all cool things, religions, neighbourhoods etc. Start out great with a small group of adherents. Devolve.

Wyatt Clark
Wyatt Clark

for why you have say this at me, you pedantic little shrew

fishing, fishing for some angle, some leverage in your exchanges with us, your fellow anons

Dominic Jenkins
Dominic Jenkins

use semi-automated LFS
AAAHAHAHAno.

Parker Reyes
Parker Reyes

Epic xD.
Gentoo is nothing like LFS. Are you retarded?

Nolan Moore
Nolan Moore

Cup all -y

Joshua Roberts
Joshua Roberts

forced auto updates that play russian roulette on system stability
pre-installed bloatware
bombards you with "notifications" and takes various amount of time to disable all the junk
invasive telemetry

Wyatt Adams
Wyatt Adams

I don't like ubuntu either.

William Brooks
William Brooks

xubuntu is better

Ryder Ramirez
Ryder Ramirez

I've grown to sort of like windows recently, a lot of things it has is convenient and useful.

But there's like no good C compilers for windows, and that's kind of a pain.

Jonathan Powell
Jonathan Powell

Holy shit the amount of misinformed lintards over here. It's like the early 2000s again.

William Ortiz
William Ortiz

t. pajeet

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

Cool, now pin something to the taskbar

Thomas Gonzalez
Thomas Gonzalez

Windows, Mac and Linux are harmful propertiary software which doesnt respects your freedom, written and managed by sociopaths.

Nathan Sullivan
Nathan Sullivan

It's not that we don't hate Windows. I certainly do.
But in 30 years, nobody has come up with anything worthy to lick it's feet clean.
Windows is crashing your bike into a telegraph pole and spending two days in hospital.
macOS is you and your kids being killed in a drive-by shooting.
Linux is your entire species becoming extinct in a global thermonuclear war.

Josiah Carter
Josiah Carter

This. Loonix has no gaems.

Adam Watson
Adam Watson

sudo choco upgrade all -y
Or its automatic for each program.
Or windows update does it for me.
Or MS app store does it for me.

Jack Gomez
Jack Gomez

in linux this is just

# Get-Disk
lsblk
# Get-Disk 1 | Clear-Disk -RemoveData
wipefs -af /dev/sdb*
# (no equivalent because Windows can't into diverse partition tables)
parted /dev/sdb mklabel dos
# New-Partition -DiskNumber 1 -UseMaximumSize
parted -a optimal /dev/sdb mkpart primary 0% 100%
# | Format-Volume -FileSystem NTFS -NewFileSystemLabel myDrive
mkntfs -L myDrive /dev/sdb1
# Get-Partition -DiskNumber 1 | Set-Partition -NewDriveLetter G
mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/g

Michael Turner
Michael Turner

It doesn't matter if it's six people or one, user - you got pwned.

Luis Howard
Luis Howard

sudo
on windows command line
what

Oliver Myers
Oliver Myers

Probably has it aliased to runas.

Camden Watson
Camden Watson

(Me)
Erm, meant to reply to .

James Roberts
James Roberts

choco install sudo
It's a small program that makes an elevated terminal run your command after asking for UAC permission.

Jaxon Wood
Jaxon Wood

Yes?
You cant open cmd as root by default. Try it.

Lucas Allen
Lucas Allen

Convenience != quality
My laptop, like all, came with win10. This borderline adware that wastes cpu cycles and runs as efficiently as a snail on ice is laughable. Every time, after putting a version of Linux on a new machine, the differences I notice are my reasons for hating Windows. The GUI aesthetics and performance on Linux are 10x better, not to mention that the operating system does its job and only its job; to be an operating system and does not attempt to brand itself or sell me stuff with bloat called 'features'.
The only convenience of Windows is its preinstallation.
L

Asher Mitchell
Asher Mitchell

an OS riddled with bugs
Forced updates that require restart and interrupt workflow
Shitty font rendering
Bloated 3rd party customization options
The most exploited platform in the history of computing
No automatic monitor color detection
Software ecosystem is probably the worst
Company is clearly in favor of monopoly
Developers forced to adjust code for Internet Exploder TO THIS DAY
I could do this all day.
It's a shit.

Jayden Taylor
Jayden Taylor

in linux this is just something twice as long
Thanks for the kek.

Luke Davis
Luke Davis

Mainly due to a lack of a root account, I imagine.
Admittedly nothing stops you renaming Administrator to root

Hunter Diaz
Hunter Diaz

Horrible, why arbitrarily remove letters? Nobody's running 80 character monitors anymore
Could have just applied a quick patch like blackbird or w10 privacy to nuke all bloat.

Zachary Taylor
Zachary Taylor

have sex

Matthew Reyes
Matthew Reyes

t. i will never have a job

Jaxon Long
Jaxon Long

twice as long
Oh, I get it. The brainlet is confused because he can't comprehend comments.

Here's the same thing with the comments removed:

lsblk
wipefs -af /dev/sdb*
parted /dev/sdb mklabel dos
parted -a optimal /dev/sdb mkpart primary 0% 100%
mkntfs -L myDrive /dev/sdb1
mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/g

Horrible, why arbitrarily remove letters?
Faster to type out. Apart from that, it makes no difference to anyone who knows what they're doing.

Liam Adams
Liam Adams

an OS riddled with bugs
??? No noticeable ones like in Linux.
Forced updates that require restart and interrupt workflow
Turn them off in group policy.
Shitty font rendering
ClearType works wonders.
Bloated 3rd party customization options
Customization is not bloat.
The most exploited platform in the history of computing
Use your brain and don't open porno.mp4.exe
No automatic monitor color detection
The fuck yes w10 does.
Software ecosystem is probably the worst
Worse than Apple but much better than any Linux distro. KDE connect is nothing if value.
Company is clearly in favor of monopoly
How since you can use libreoffice and Google tools...
Developers forced to adjust code for Internet Exploder TO THIS DAY
they're not, its only good practice. Despite this, edge chromium is the default browser.

Owen Hughes
Owen Hughes

You truly are this retarded? Noted.

Justin Watson
Justin Watson

doesn't even have any other response

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Connor Wright
Connor Wright

Its not faster because these are no real words. So unless you type them out regularly, your muscle memory is not trained. Linux snowflakeism as usual.

Ayden Hill
Ayden Hill

I don't need one, retard.

Joseph Martin
Joseph Martin

There is an admin account but no TrustedInstaller (super root) one so you cannot muck about with system files.

Hunter Lee
Hunter Lee

I have mixed feelings about windows too. The software developed where I work runs on it though. Seems like I'd really be swimming against the river using something else and remoting on to the windows boxes. If I was unemployed though I'd be right out of there though. It's pretty great that pooranons have something to use.

Camden Carter
Camden Carter

Normal people would do it with a few clicks in Disk Manager anyway. Why do it at the command line, when you've had an OS with a working GUI for decades?

Alexander Stewart
Alexander Stewart

Turn them off in group policy.

I thought win 10 wouldn't let you wriggle out updates. Amiright?

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

nsudoc.exe is your friend. Use wisely. :)

Adam Foster
Adam Foster

Linux users tend to hate bloat so much that distros like Arch come with almost nothing preinstalled. As a result the users things from the ground up, and install WMs/Drivers/Utilities all manually. In Windows, your 'power users' will install utilities to get rid of a bunch of shit. (I've never use blackbird or w10 privacy patch, if I'm going to be honest. If I want want to run .exes I will install w7, no problem) I have a good functioning Arch system running a 6.6 gb size in packages, include some dev utils and FF. 6.6 gb.
inb4 disk storage is basically free
It's also kind of amazing.

That aside, my laptop is no good for gaming on Windows, and the performance of Linux is so much better on it, it would be retarded not to use it.

David Ross
David Ross

It is faster, and the absence of real words has nothing to do with it, because one knows what one is doing. No need for muscle memory for individual commands when you've committed the entire keyboard layout itself to muscle memory because you are not a retard and actually know how to type.

Jacob Richardson
Jacob Richardson

lol do you even compute fella?

Eli Edwards
Eli Edwards

You have to memorize the powershell language too retard, it's not a natural language, there's no room for error or ambiguity. For powrshell you also have to remember the ridiculously long names and to remember to not use the synonym of one of the nouns/verbs for any of the commands.

Jacob Young
Jacob Young

Ahh, I thought you would raise the fact that Administrator is disabled by default.

It's easier to "wriggle out" from under them with Pro/Ent versions - but it can be done on all versions with a bit of brain cells.

Juan King
Juan King

It's easier to "wriggle out" from under them with Pro/Ent versions - but it can be done on all versions with a bit of brain cells.

so it's undocumented. All I could find was the possibility of postponing the update.

Aaron Johnson
Aaron Johnson

Linux destroyed! Wow
Sex is okay
Coke is great

Caleb Martinez
Caleb Martinez

you're right, I can do it in a GUI without thinking and guaranteed cant brick my device from a typo.
People whined and whined and MS let go.
Is not bloat as a lot of people use these preinstalled apps and features. Its easier to remove what you don't want instead of going oh damn I need this app now or fuck Im missing that dependency...
you'll excuse me for not believing w10 was slower on your machine that on Linux. Did you try enabling the ultimate perfomance power plan and setting all your apps to use the dedicated GPU? Did you make sure it has the latest drivers?
Idiot. Im not a NEET and I don't remember completely arbitrary commands by heart. You don't know what you're doing because you are a typewriter, you do because of your experience with the programs.
It isnt on any version Ive tried.

Nolan Rivera
Nolan Rivera

The UX is grotesque, the update system is a joke, there are no convenient tools to get shit done, it does everything in its power to avoid being transparent and unflexible, ...
Seriously, who in their right minds uses that shit? Oh, right, gaymes...

Josiah Peterson
Josiah Peterson

Longer words means unambiguous words means easier code completion.

Thomas White
Thomas White

Most things in Windows are "undocumented" in the eunuch sense. It's so sensible and logical that it's "self-documenting". No need for "HOWTO: Turn the machine on" and "HOWTO: Make sound work", etc.

Blake Diaz
Blake Diaz

I don't use PS enough to know (%comspec% diehard): does PS have tab completion for those sorts of commands?

Isaac Gutierrez
Isaac Gutierrez

Even ignoring how you wouldn't need code completion if the args are single letters, you still have to press tab multiple times, to get Get- then Get-Disk for example.

Jace Brown
Jace Brown

What's that got to do with details and options around updates? Nothing. Win 10 no longer allows to stop updates through their settings. Maybe there is some, perfectly viable, hack, but otherwise they shut that down.

Nicholas Sullivan
Nicholas Sullivan

you're right, instead ill need to know if its mkfs.fat32 or mkfs-fat32 or make-fs.f32......

Jordan Jackson
Jordan Jackson

Idiot. Im not a NEET and I don't remember completely arbitrary commands by heart. You don't know what you're doing because you are a typewriter, you do because of your experience with the programs.
I never said I know what I'm doing because I know how to type, I only said that A) I don't need complete words because I know what i'm doing i.e. I remember what the abbreviations stand for, and B) also I don't need to remember those abbreviations with muscle memory, only mental memory, because I know how to type. A and B are meant to be two unrelated but complementary counterarguments.

And by the way, it's not actually hard to remember what the abbreviations stand for. They're intuitive enough that you only have to have used them a small handful of times and then you remember them forever. It also doesn't matter at all if you *don't* remember them forever, because if you ever forget them, there's only a single abbreviation you *do* need to remember forever, and all the others follow naturally from that one:

man -k

Also, there's not necessarily any connection between having a lot of experience with command-line Linux programs and being a NEET. On the contrary, the Linux command line is what they teach you in school + expect you to use if you go to college for computer science.

Caleb Reyes
Caleb Reyes

You type make and press tab. Either that or figure out the very obvious pattern that no commands have periods in their names retard

Levi Smith
Levi Smith

idiot. Im not a NEET
A copypasta from a while back comes to mind to describe the dingbat you're arguing with:

It's actually pretty easy to pity freetards. When you're a turboautistic NEET with no skills, talents, job prospects, or friends (or chance of living
past 40 due to your diet and lack of exercise), memorising some obscure Linux configuration bullshit - so you don't always feel like you're an utterly
worthless drain on humanity - is a better choice than the Rafter and Rope comedy duo.

Henry Smith
Henry Smith

Your derision doesn't hold up against the argument that they teach you Linux in the comp sci major

David Robinson
David Robinson

Hey for now, op
Who knows what kind of shenanigans microsoft will be up to in 2021 when they attempt a second global migration
Didn't microsoft started harassing customers with windows 10 ads in 7 two years ago?

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Josiah Bennett
Josiah Bennett

PS uses a relatively consistent naming scheme for its, so called, commandlets. It's kind of hard not to catch on. It's a best practice recommendation too from the PS-Lords, adhering to the naming.

Luis Walker
Luis Walker

the same colleges that teach underwater basket weaving
the same colleges that 70% of their graduates are working in Starbucks
the same colleges that are rolling in cash from the stupidity of people like you
Actually, the last point makes them A-OK with me.

Christian Morris
Christian Morris

Doesn't matter what you think of colleges, the fact of the matter is that anyone who goes to them is objectively not a NEET.

Joseph Smith
Joseph Smith

Just like working part-time in Starbucks makes you objectively not a NEET.
But it doesn't make your pontificating on a Martian terraforming forum worth a bean (boom-tish) either.

Ethan Lee
Ethan Lee

So you concede that knowing how to use a Linux CLI doesn't necessarily make you a NEET then.

Zachary Walker
Zachary Walker

See .

Josiah King
Josiah King

That doesn't answer my question. In fact it wasn't even really a question, it was an authoritative declaration.

You concede that going to college makes you not a NEET.

You concede that working part-time in Starbucks makes you not a NEET.

You concede that there are colleges that teach the Linux CLI as a part of the computer science program (any students of which are necessarily not NEETs), but you hold that most graduates from such colleges work at Starbucks (and thus continue to be necessarily not NEETs).

If you accept all of these premises then you must accept the conclusion that there are people who are familiar with the Linux CLI and are not NEETs. It's only a matter of deductive reasoning.

Adam Barnes
Adam Barnes

Actually, I just switched from linux to windows becasue my job moved away from coding to more creative stuff, like audio editing and design work.

It's shit. I could move around so quickly in Linux, and its physically painful to complete a task in Windows. Why the fuck are powershell commands so long? Better than CMD to be sure, but still. Also, forget coding in windows. Literally fuck that noise. Borderline impossible.

Hunter Moore
Hunter Moore

its impossible to code in windows
that's why windows has 1000x as many programs as linux

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Austin Myers
Austin Myers

Windows 10 LTSC works way better on my NUC than any other Linux distros I've used. Runs way cooler, never crashes, CPU activity is stable, scaling is automatic and done properly on my 4K TV, compositing is perfect without the need of tweaking 13 config files and so on. Also scoop package manager is neat af.

Wyatt Butler
Wyatt Butler

Can attest. Gf runs Windows Server 2019 on hers - absolutely bulletproof (apart from the rigmarole of sneaking the network driver in behind Windows' driver signing's back).

Michael Nguyen
Michael Nguyen

Windows has more programs because more end-user systems run Windows. This, in turn, has nothing to do with the quality of the OS and is owed entirely to the shitty business practices / OEM deals Microsoft used to establish a monopoly by force.

Caleb Walker
Caleb Walker

5yo chucking tantrum
When you grow up, you'll understand

Hudson Perry
Hudson Perry

I've brought up a point. Do you or do you not have a counterargument for it?

By the way, my first post in the conversation is the one you just replied to. Before that, you were talking to someone else.

Jacob Cook
Jacob Cook

Five year-old confirmed - didn't even understand that he just got pwned.
A shame too, I was all fired up for a slanging match. Bit disappointing to head-shot in the warmup.

Hudson Perry
Hudson Perry

Five year-old confirmed - didn't even understand that he just got pwned.
Where? When you said this?
yo chucking tantrum
When you grow up, you'll understand
Because that was the first post you made to me. Gotta admit, it really came off as trying to cover your ass by avoiding the question.

The question being: do you or do you not have a counterargument to my point that Windows became the dominant consumer OS via unethical business practices that were coercive toward OEMs?

Nolan Jackson
Nolan Jackson

Its a botnet

James Sanchez
James Sanchez

If you weren't a small child, you would already know the how's and why's of that question, and wouldn't need to ask it.
But because you're a small child, and have stupid attachments to concepts like "fair", you're not even worth talking to.
So go back to laying in that pool of your own blood and skull fragments - the grown-ups are talking now.

Easton White
Easton White

OEMs have tried to sell PCs with Linux installed. Guess what all their customers do? Complain that they don't have Windows and install it themselves.

Windows has had multiple competitors and it has beat them all on quality.

Cooper Brooks
Cooper Brooks

became the dominant consumer OS via unethical business practices that were coercive toward OEMs?
not that user, but that's what you call a "business incentive" and there's nothing wrong with it. Had any of the *Nix distributions of the day had the money, they'd have done the same thing. Windows got popular because they were on OEM machines. Then because of this, their program library got fuck huge. Then from there, they have backwards compatibility. You can not like windows all you want, but you have to admit it's a system that works.

I have windows 10 Pro on my main machine.
My server is Windows 7 Pro based (until it's EOL) sharing 4 network shares with automated backups and It's headless. I access is via windows remote desktop manager.

Any and all of my Linux experience comes from only using a LiveUSB for recovery.

Asher Cook
Asher Cook

Ah yes, the brief moment that they started putting Ubuntu on netbooks in 2008 or so. What was the return rate? 50%?

One of those "look back and laugh" moments in tech history.

Jayden Stewart
Jayden Stewart

Thanks for explaining it to him, user. I've had to deal with kids all day (thank God it's back to school tomorrow), and didn't want to have to spell it out for another rainbows/unicorns head.

Camden Davis
Camden Davis

Windows got popular because they were on OEM machines.
My point exactly. And why were they on OEM machines? Because of their "business incentive."

Microsoft paid to have their foot in the door first. Linux fundamentally cannot do, could not have done, the same thing, because it is not a corporate entity. Nor should it be -- nor should any other software be -- because a software installation is not a scarce resource.

Benjamin Phillips
Benjamin Phillips

Because of NSA

Cameron Brooks
Cameron Brooks

then we'll have to agree to disagree. That software isn't just some guys creation that he updates when he feels like it. Entire industries are based on Windows and windows-centric software. It needs to work and work right. Security needs to be a high priority. These things require employees, which means money, which means a business is born. If even a SINGLE Linux distro got even 1/10 the capital MS has, they'd be a power house. As it stands, there is no non Windows OS out there worth a damn other than certain niche stuff like BSD and Redhat for like 2% of servers out there. For the common user? Means nothing. MS saw Linux as a competitor, someone who could pose a threat, so they proactively changed the market.

Like how Intel did with their Pentium 4 bribery against AMD to big OEM's like Dell and HP.

Dylan Richardson
Dylan Richardson

These things require employees,
This is where we disagree. Keeping software working right is a job for developers. The creation and upstream maintenance of software (NOT the installation of the software, and NOT the downstream / end-user maintenance) is a service, and should damn well cost money. However, there is no reason that money should be owed to "employees." It should be owed to the developers. There is no actual need for the lazy do-nothing middlemen we call employers. A centralized business model is the biggest scam in the history of man.

Parker Clark
Parker Clark

whatever. What I was getting at is there are people who need to be paid. What it comes down to is that money talks. And when it mattered most, MS had money to sweet talk the OEMs. Like it or now, that's how it is and crying about how it's not fair won't change it. What the entire Linux community needs to do is fly under one banner and not have 750+ distros. Everyone get on the same fucking page and make a product worth a fuck. Maybe then you'll exceed 2% market share.
I mean Gentoo linux popularity sky rocketed because of ChromeOS.

Leo Hall
Leo Hall

Get-Disk 1 | Clear-Disk -RemoveData

lmfao this is their idea of easy to use... fuck you lol
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M

Josiah Lee
Josiah Lee

What it comes down to is that money talks. And when it mattered most, MS had money to sweet talk the OEMs. Like it or now, that's how it is and crying about how it's not fair won't change it.
Maybe it won't change anything, but it does effectively challenge the implicit claim that the reason for Windows' popularity is because it's any good. Which is the entire point. Never by complaining about how it's not fair did I actually intend to "change it." My intention was merely to argue that the unfairness poses an alternative to the originally proposed explanation for Windows' popularity.

Like it or not, Windows is popular because Microsoft paid for it to be popular. You can talk all you want about how that's the way it is and I can't change it, but you can't talk your way into returning to the original implied claim that Windows is popular because it's good.

Wyatt Lewis
Wyatt Lewis

Except that it is good though. Don't you see the catch 22 here? Yes MS paid for their product to get exposure in the first place, but that's where the paying part ended. Programs were developed, and windows became known as the do all OS. Professional applications, games, you name it, Windows has it. That's why it's "good". It's program library.

As an OS, no. It's a clusterfuck of an OS trying to maintain like 30 different libraries in a balancing act that results in BSOD's when the PC doesn't like which way the wind was blowing that day.

John Walker
John Walker

Fuck off tripfag. Grown-ups are talking.

Dominic Smith
Dominic Smith

I have linux and everytime I close my laptop and open it again it freezes.
Why is that?

Benjamin Collins
Benjamin Collins

That's why it's "good". It's program library.
Yes, and I don't deny this, but the person I originally raised this argument against was trying to imply it's the other way around (i.e. the program library is extensive because Windows is good in and of itself).

Camden Morris
Camden Morris

lol i dont agree so you're 5 years old

Great argument! I'm wiping my Linux drive to NTFS to make more room for Windows shareware.

Jose Foster
Jose Foster

BSOD's
Freetards always tip their hand here. This is because you're trying to run Windows 10 on dumpster-dived Pentium 3s - end of story.
inb4 drivers - no, none of you can afford performance graphics cards

Robert Green
Robert Green

(YOU MUST PAY 2 BITCOINS IN THE NEXT 72 HOURS TO DECRYPT THIS POST)

Samuel Edwards
Samuel Edwards

oh goodness no. That's retarded. Windows as an OS is only as good as it's program library for me. If Ubuntu for instance got their hands on native Adobe suite, I'd probably make the switch. KVM/GPU passthrough is just too much of a hassle.

Christopher Wood
Christopher Wood

Literally nobody is going to google how to wipe a disk with powershell on windows, see some shit like that and think, oh this makes sense.

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Camden Cook
Camden Cook

mixing camelcase with hyphenation
having capital letters
"pipes"
cringe and bluepilled

Brody Diaz
Brody Diaz

Ryzen 3700X and 2x16GB of CL14 3200MHz RAM, speccy is being a bastard. I got BSOD's on a fresh install of Windows 10 because Windows by default installs a fleet Nvidia driver that throws a tantrum when you try to install the latest driver that's non OEM/fleet, and causes freezes. You have to run DDU AND disconnect from the Internet so it doesn't re-install the problem driver just so you can get an updated GPU driver going. This is on a fresh install, with fully priced $140 Pro key.

You're just too stupid to understand is all. windows is only as good as the program library it supports. The OS itself is a hot mess.

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Henry Gonzalez
Henry Gonzalez

Yeah, this is what I was initially responding to: The crux of my argument was never really that Windows' use of OEM deals to effectively establish their OS as the de facto world consumer standard was "unfair." The point I was making was moreover that said use of OEM deals (and not any kind of ease of use in the official toolchains, as the other user seemed to be claiming implicitly) is in fact the reason for the vast program library available.

Benjamin Taylor
Benjamin Taylor

No, they're going to use Disk Manager, as I said in . Now fuck off tripfag.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher

why is it called NASA and not National Aeronautics and Space Administration (or whatever it is)
its because its shorter, dumbfuck. its called a mnemonic.

Dylan Campbell
Dylan Campbell

Normal people aren't going to wipe a disk.

Smart people aren't going to do it with Windows.

Dylan Nguyen
Dylan Nguyen

See .

Nicholas Powell
Nicholas Powell

top fucking kek

Andrew Rodriguez
Andrew Rodriguez

I dunno, I know of a few people I consider smart who would wipe a drive and install windows for muh games.

Maybe they're just in the uncanny valley of being smart, smart enough to install an OS, not smart enough to make it a Free one.

Michael Collins
Michael Collins

he literally mentioned defragging...

Thomas Morgan
Thomas Morgan

security updates though

Bentley Taylor
Bentley Taylor

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Zachary Allen
Zachary Allen

brainlet

Grayson Clark
Grayson Clark

Because you didn't configure it properly. GNU isn't for amateurs.

Gavin Garcia
Gavin Garcia

I guess it's convenient if you're used to it. To me Windows is a pain and Linux is just convenient and comfy

Brandon Gray
Brandon Gray

smart people
playing with video games

Carson Harris
Carson Harris

GNU isn't for amateurs
this thread is full of freetards who freely admit they can't even operate windows
then, more hilariously, try to blame windows for their stupidity

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Jordan Powell
Jordan Powell

Anyone can use Windows, the people who you call tards for caring about their freedom are simply pointing out how bad Windows is. Is Windows hard to use? Yes, but not because it requires knowledge or skills. But simply because it is a mess that barely works.

Julian Hughes
Julian Hughes

i think windows is hard to use
everyone from 4 year-olds to grandmas use it successfully every day
this is because windows is a mess that barely works

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Jonathan Kelly
Jonathan Kelly

Not him, but when hardware actions, not software actions, directly cause software misbehavior -- especially if that misbehavior amounts to a full-scale system crash -- it tends to be a problem with Linux itself, not with GNU. user should probably check the config file in his boot directory and/or Linux build directory, and rebuild Linux with support enabled for his hardware's sleep functionality. If that doesn't fix it, or he already has said support, he might want to think about upgrading to a more recent Linux. Meaning the kernel of course, not necessarily the whole GNU/Linux system.

Colton Gray
Colton Gray

All those people do is run binaries. Hardly anything that requires much use of the OS.

Josiah Wood
Josiah Wood

GNU can use Linux.

Ryder Nelson
Ryder Nelson

Nice job completely missing the point.

Anthony Wright
Anthony Wright

You're acting like by saying GNU I am precluding Linux, that isn't the case. The rest of your post is irrelevant to me.

Benjamin Fisher
Benjamin Fisher

You're acting like by saying GNU I am precluding Linux,
Again, nice job completely missing the point. I'm not saying you're precluding Linux, just that you probably pointed user in the wrong direction. GNU does not include Linux. It operates OVER Linux, but Linux itself is not a part of GNU. Ergo, if Linux is misconfigured, then what is misconfigured is no part of GNU.

Wyatt Bennett
Wyatt Bennett

No, what? GNU is the OS. It can run Linux. If it does then they aren't seperate. So when I say GNU it probably includes Linux, since it is now the most commonly used kernel with GNU.
GNU is not the GNU core-utils like you seem to think. GNU is neither a compendium of software written under the GNU project. GNU is the OS as a whole.

Grayson Bell
Grayson Bell

How can I not?
I use Windows for only one thing, I stream games to my TV and Linux laptop. Yet it still manages to fail at that.
no way to create virtual monitor
I have to connect turned off monitor to have graphical environment working
audio doesn't work if there is no physical output devices
I had to connect old headphones for audio to work
updater keep asking to update every hour and if I choose to restart it doesn't install anything and ask again to restart
in home streaming randomly doesn't work for whole day, but works on Linux/tv
installation took me few days because of cryptic messages because windows 7 apparently can't be installed from USB 3.0(it kept showing error about harddrive)
updated to 10 on its own
It has just one job, and it fails in every way it can.

Connor Morales
Connor Morales

GNU is not the GNU core-utils like you seem to think. GNU is neither a compendium of software written under the GNU project. GNU is the OS as a whole.
I strongly disagree. The OS as a whole is GNU/<kernel name>, or, even more generally, <userspace name>/<kernel name>. GNU, used as a name by itself, refers to the GNU project.

Connor Clark
Connor Clark

Why do you think this? GNU by itself has never been used by GNU or anyone associated with GNU to refer solely to the GNU project. Are you just basing this on information you gleaned from memes?

Elijah Robinson
Elijah Robinson

No, I base it on the general impression I got from manpages, mostly.

Anyway, the point is that user should check their kernel config

Justin Carter
Justin Carter

Well, you're wrong. Email rms and ask him if you want to know more.

Aaron Davis
Aaron Davis

Is this something no other OS can do?

Charles Foster
Charles Foster

RMS is not the authority on the matter. In fact there is no single authority on the matter.

A complete free OS installation is not one software installation, so it does not admit a single name. It's at least two software installations: a kernel, and a userspace. Though these interact, they're completely separate packages. The Linux foundation does not call Linux (their project) a part of GNU, so Linux is not a part of GNU. The FSF calls GNU (their project) GNU, so it is called GNU. Together, they are GNU/Linux. Regardless of whether the FSF happens to approve this name, or did at any point, that is nonetheless the name of the OS irrespective of their suggestion or approval, because one part of the OS is GNU and the other part is Linux. In fact, even calling it "the OS" is misleading, as it suggests "the OS" is something which, in concept, can even be called by a single name at all under any circumstances. Instead, "the OS" should be called "two packages." This makes it clear as day that it makes no sense to refer to the complete system as "GNU." Consider: "I installed an OS, namely GNU" versus "I installed two packages, namely GNU." I'm the latter question, the obvious question becomes "GNU and what?" The question is revealed as semantically incorrect, a detail hidden in the prior case.

Nathaniel Collins
Nathaniel Collins

As the head of the GNU project he actually is the authority on this. He has the final say on all things under GNU. So you're wrong there, too.

In regard to your rambling second point. What is GNU? It is not the GNU project or the GNU core-utils or any software collection. So stop acting like it is. How this actually works is that Linux is used in GNU as a kernel. It is not the only kernel GNU can use, nor was it the first. It is just one. So no one claims that Linux is part of GNU I'm this sense, but is a component commonly used within the GNU operating system. Since Linux was licensed under the GPL in 1993 it can be freely used in any operating system and naming it as such is not required. Google uses Linux in Android just as the GNU project uses Linux in GNU. It isn't that difficult to understand.

Joseph Barnes
Joseph Barnes

no commands
It autocompletes to f2fs instead of fat32, your argument is invalid.

Angel Hughes
Angel Hughes

Only because you don't have the binaries r-word

Luke Richardson
Luke Richardson

How's that system wipe on reinstall treating you?
They figure out how to load configs to a separate partition to preserve your work environment on that clunky DOS clone yet?

Adrian Jones
Adrian Jones

I know what i'm doing i.e. I remember what the abbreviations stand for
One does not imply the other. With power shell, there are no abbreviations.
remember
You're only burdening yourself for no legitimate reason.
intuitive
I don't need to remember abbreviations because I don't want to remember abbreviations because there is no reason to use abbreviations over whole words.
man
Perfect on BSDs, trash on GNU.
teach you in school
Maybe in africa where they can't afford windows or internet to pirate windows. They teach powershell in my university and linux is an extracurricular because if you know one, you know the other but only one will help you professionally.

Jose Anderson
Jose Anderson

I have f2fs and fat32 installed and autocomplete chose the former because it is lexicographically smaller.

Anthony Price
Anthony Price

No need for separate partition and no need to wipe, either. You can choose "upgrade" instead to keep all your shit for 15 years now. Dumb Eunix

Ayden Wright
Ayden Wright

Everything in a single partition
You people don't actually do this do you?

Jonathan Harris
Jonathan Harris

Clear-Disk -RemoveData
Confirm
default is "Y"

Angel Perez
Angel Perez

I never, ever implied that. You can have 10000 partitions if you want. Windows will create Windows.old and other such folders and optionally delete them. It's an intelligent tool, surprising I know, since it wasn't written for free by amateurs who expect the end user to fill in the blanks himself.

Ryder Hughes
Ryder Hughes

sudo rm -rf /
no questions asked

Henry Myers
Henry Myers

[sudo] password for my-user-name:

Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

asdasdasd
*click*

BRRRZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZRRRRRRRRRR
KRKRKRKRKRRRRRRRR KRKRKRRRRR

Jackson Clark
Jackson Clark

$ man rm | grep -A 1 "preserve-root"
--no-preserve-root
do not treat '/' specially
--
--preserve-root[=all]
do not remove '/' (default); with 'all', reject any command line argument on a separate device from its parent

Noah Cox
Noah Cox

Windows will create Windows.old and
So you're saying it dumps the old, non-OS data to a folder somewhere on C:\?
So you need to manually move files back to where they were?
I can move from arch to debian to ubuntu to whatever I want and mount the existing home partition to home by default in most installs, then just boot into essentially the same desktop environment with the same config settings for everything (from applications to things like XFCE/i3) saved between installs.

Isaiah Harris
Isaiah Harris

wut
What shell are you using?

Parker Rogers
Parker Rogers

No, as the head of the GNU project, RMS is the authority on all things under the GNU project, not all things under an installed system consisting of disparate and unrelated packages running in cooperation.

In a software ecosystem where the complete OS does not exist as a single project, an OS installation is a collection of separate but mutually compatible projects maintained by separate organizations. Each organization, no matter what they may say, only has the authority over all things to do with THEIR project within that system. This leaves no one with the authority to name the complete system -- again, no matter what authority any constituent organizations may CLAIM to have -- and therefore, the only adequate ways to refer to the system are either in general for short, i.e. "the OS"; by the authority of the person or organization who combined the packages, e.g. "*my* OS," or "Debian," or even "my pal Fred who is made of software other people wrote and I put him together and love him very much"; or as the sum of its parts, each named by the authority of the organization responsible for the respective component, e.g. "GNU and Linux."

Adam Lee
Adam Lee

using a super user rwx permissions
no questions asked
how dumb are you?

Julian Brown
Julian Brown

running rm as sudo
Have you considered that if your normal user does not have access to it, it might not be something you should delete?

Aiden Scott
Aiden Scott

You don't need to move anything, windows 10 does not destroy your config files.
It doesn't ask for confirmation when I tried it last month. Bash.
It's an exercise in QA. There is no reason any user ever, normal, super, supersuper etc. would need to destroy the system or bring it to a non-functioning state. Ever. However, the developers of rm just assume any .sh script should be able to nuke your system no questions asked.

Dylan Edwards
Dylan Edwards

Because I'm lazy and I'll stab you to death in your sleep if you think I'm typing all that shit out.

Lucas Miller
Lucas Miller

lazy
Typical linux user.

Benjamin Wilson
Benjamin Wilson

No, as the head of the GNU project, RMS is the authority on all things under the GNU project, not all things under an installed system consisting of disparate and unrelated packages running in cooperation.
That isn't what I was referring to. I was referring to you using GNU to refer to the GNU project.

You misunderstand how an OS is named. GNU is the OS because it is what all things are based on. The OS is about the idea that created it, in this case being a fully functional Unix-clone. The GNU project completed GNU in 1993. All other software is not needed and is simply GNU compatible software.

Nathaniel Fisher
Nathaniel Fisher

It's an exercise in QA. There is no reason any user ever, normal, super, supersuper etc. would need to destroy the system or bring it to a non-functioning state. Ever. However, the developers of rm just assume any .sh script should be able to nuke your system no questions asked.
I would recommend looking into the command 'man rm' and going over the section on '--no-preserve-root'

Connor Harris
Connor Harris

GNU is the OS because it is what all things are based on.
Says who? Says the GNU project?
I don't reject the concept that the authority to name the complete system can be passed from one organization to another by proclaiming that the latter's project formed the ideological basis for the prior, but that handoff itself can only be performed under the authority of the organization on the giving end. If the Linux foundation doesn't claim that Linux is based on the idea of GNU, then GNU/Linux can't be called GNU, no matter what the FSF claims.

Luis Russell
Luis Russell

I have already done that and sudo rm -rf / can and will bring your system to a non-bootable state, and delete any binaries it can before that.

Isaac Russell
Isaac Russell

That's pretty easy to fix, boot into the install and re-run pacstrap and grub-install.

Nolan Wright
Nolan Wright

running scripts mindlessly
back to windows

Sebastian Edwards
Sebastian Edwards

No one claims Linux is its own OS. Linux only became widely used when it became used in GNU. Google isn't forced to call Android Android/Linux are they?

Jayden Moore
Jayden Moore

Fantastic and I agree with you. And I want a prompt before the massacre happens.
You run binaries mindlessly all the time, you've no ground to step on.

Justin Morgan
Justin Morgan

I said nothing about claiming Linux is its own OS. Linux is, of course, just a project within a complete OS, as is GNU. If Linux does not claim to exist in deference to the ideal of GNU, then it must be understood as a separate component, and the complete system therefore is a sum of separate components, none of which has privileged authority to name the sum.

Tyler Green
Tyler Green

mpv is 2 clicks and everything else does it itself

Benjamin Jackson
Benjamin Jackson

As for this:
Google isn't forced to call Android Android/Linux are they?
That's different because Google is a corporation. Corporations are trash pigs who rule the world and do whatever the fuck they want. Google has the """"authority"""" to name Android just Android and not Android/Linux because Google has fat wads of cash and can influence everyone.

Gavin Lee
Gavin Lee

I'm pretty sure the program for rm is listed on a public repo, you could add a catch for just running '/' as the target dir, infact, I wouldn't mind looking into that if anyone knows where it's actually located

Levi Wilson
Levi Wilson

GNU isn't within an OS, it is an OS. You are free to go make your own OS called Linux if you want, so stop bitching about GNU being called GNU. It is pointless.

Gabriel Russell
Gabriel Russell

trash pigs
There would be no linux as we know it without corporate support period. No drivers, no device support, no funding, nothing. Just a bunch of CS majors playing around.
Either rm.c or remove.c.

Brandon Adams
Brandon Adams

GNU isn't within an OS, it is an OS
So says the FSF. But they don't make the whole OS, so they don't get to name the whole OS, no matter what they claim. The Linux foundation doesn't make the whole OS either, so they also don't get to name the whole OS.

William Williams
William Williams

There would be no linux as we know it without corporate support period. No drivers, no device support, no funding, nothing. Just a bunch of CS majors playing around.
That's only because our economic system is structured the way it is. In an ideal world there would be no need for corporations because there would be no distinction between employers and laborers.

Jace Lopez
Jace Lopez

actually, i don't. i don't install shady stuff and i don't copy paste internet instructions without understanding what they're doing.

Leo Wilson
Leo Wilson

The GNU project makes the whole OS. They put it all together.

Lincoln Harris
Lincoln Harris

.c
oh, that should be easy to sort out then

Nathan Watson
Nathan Watson

But do they make the kernel or do they take kernel of someone else? If they do, can their OS work without said kernel?

Connor Hill
Connor Hill

The GNU project makes the whole OS. They put it all together.
No they don't. They make the whole userspace. They put the whole userspace together. The Linux foundation, meanwhile, only makes the kernel. Neither of those is an OS.

Jason Garcia
Jason Garcia

You're posting on a website with javascript, while running a binary produced by a non formally verified compiler for a non-formally verified browser. No, you do worse things.

Lucas Green
Lucas Green

apple logic

Isaiah Reyes
Isaiah Reyes

GNU is just an OS, Linux is just a kernel. Distro maintainers put these together.

Adrian Ross
Adrian Ross

It's funny because Apple doesn't provide a way to do this either.

Only free OSes ship with full-scope package managers, because in the proprietary world, exposing how a complete product was assembled, or encouraging the end user to take it apart or reconfigure it, is considered very bad news.

Liam Torres
Liam Torres

GNU isn't an OS, it's a largely kernel-agnostic userspace that sexually identifies as an OS

Nathaniel Roberts
Nathaniel Roberts

sorry buddy, but one of the must have OS components is kernel.

Chase Gray
Chase Gray

what is ad absurdum?

Lucas Cooper
Lucas Cooper

Mac OS has its package managers you can use. One is the app store, the others are CLI. You don't need open source to have a package manager, just an API and a database of repos.

Gavin Price
Gavin Price

Lean to read. I didn't say write.

Gavin Reed
Gavin Reed

No, you said put it all together, and they don't do that on every machine running their userspace. They do create distros, most of which include Linux, and there's nothing wrong with calling those distros GNU because they're the ones who put it together. But you can't just assume someone is running a GNU distro just because they're running an OS consisting of GNU and Linux.

Sebastian Gonzalez
Sebastian Gonzalez

What do you mean "their userspace"? It is GNU if it is based on GNU, which they all are.

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

No, it only "is GNU" if someone with the authority to name the entire OS named it GNU. In practice, this means any distro put together and distributed by the FSF. If I partition a drive, and install GNU software on that drive and also Linux, then the OS I've installed is NOT just called GNU, because FSF didn't put it together, I did; and if I don't name it anything, it's called GNU and Linux, because that's what in it.

Dominic Bell
Dominic Bell

can be done in just 3 clicks in windows
why are linuxfags so masochistic that they still have to write stupid commands for 5 minutes to get the same job done?

Thomas Green
Thomas Green

You can't go back in time before 1993, kid

Gabriel Jenkins
Gabriel Jenkins

I don't have to. You can manually install a userspace and a kernel as separate packages on a manually partitioned drive even today.

Landon Garcia
Landon Garcia

because not everybody is a poorfag like you that has to hold on to old standards just because he can't afford anything else :^)

Parker Hughes
Parker Hughes

You'd just be making GNU.

Jayden Peterson
Jayden Peterson

To be fair, PS and diskpart allow scripting, which is nice.
But yeah, 99% of people will use a GUI that has been stable for decades (like Disk Manager).

Nicholas Miller
Nicholas Miller

No, you'd be making an unnamed operating system consisting of GNU and Linux, that happens to exactly mirror the most rudimentary OS that has ever been called GNU.

Nolan Roberts
Nolan Roberts

Really? No config files or anything? Why do we need distro maintainers?

Aiden Miller
Aiden Miller

Convenience and nice things.

Lincoln Martinez
Lincoln Martinez

Is that why I can just compile my own linux and sudo update-grub2 does everything else for me?

Daniel Bailey
Daniel Bailey

It can't consist of GNU, GNU isn't a component...

Isaiah Green
Isaiah Green

I don't understand the question. Are you asking if the convenience and nice things are the reason for this behavior? If so, then yes.

Easton Perez
Easton Perez

So says the FSF. But if they're not the ones putting the OS together, they don't decide what the OS is called.

Jace Hughes
Jace Hughes

But what is GNU if it is a component?

Jason Gomez
Jason Gomez

I have been using windows all my life. I started using Linux on my devices about 2 years ago. In my personal opinion Linux is far more convenient and just outright easy to use than Windows will ever be. The only real problem with Linux is the lack of supported apps, which is why I still keep a windows computer.
inb4 linux is a kernel
inb4 gahnoo plus linux

Matthew Perry
Matthew Perry

Right, let me correct myself. Suppose you manually install a bunch of GNU software and also Linux. GNU is what the FSF calls their versions of what you've just installed. GNU is not the GNU software you've installed. The OS you've installed is not necessarily GNU, because you are the one who's put it together; however, it does contain, as a component, a lot of GNU software. It makes sense to say you've installed GNU and Linux, but what you really mean by that is GNU software and Linux, not GNU and Linux. The GNU software, not GNU itself, is a component. The FSF can call that component whatever they want, but we don't have a better name for it than GNU software, because the FSF reserves the name GNU for their distributions of that software packaged with various kernels.

Julian Jackson
Julian Jackson

What do you mean by GNU software?

Hunter Rodriguez
Hunter Rodriguez

judging only preinstalled Windows is like judging only pre-eaten food

first thing you should do is nuke the drive and install a clean Windows

Colton Carter
Colton Carter

tbf you'll always run the risk of this stuff happening when you run hardware which is under a couple of months old.

I think the newer linux distros can't boot with ryzen cpus due to some weird interaction with systemd and the kernel

Daniel Long
Daniel Long

Communist bullshit. We're not in an ideal world so stop thinking about the ideal world an adapt.

Kevin Rogers
Kevin Rogers

P R O P R I E T A R Y

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Bentley Sanders
Bentley Sanders

Well you wont get any support for making what windows does better ported to linux any time soon.
Linux has what i like to call a customization nigger infestation.
They are like regular niggers, lazy, unmotivated and have bouts of unwarrented self importance.
But their defining trait is to over customize an operating system so much that it becomes practically unusible to anyone else.
They start projects on github and never finish them or support them. They usually use these excuses
I DO THIS IN MA SPEARE TIME
JUST FORK IT
PLEASE FEEL SORRY FOR ME
All excuses for them to suck up attention and time when they could be making AAA games work on linux and attually benefit the whole linux/GNU project.

Grayson Foster
Grayson Foster

Name a single reason to use Windows besides gaming.
For everything else I boot linux.

Connor Cook
Connor Cook

So I can still nuke my system with rm -rf --no-preverve-root with a simple sh script.

Gavin Ross
Gavin Ross

Photoshop, adobe software, outlook

Brandon Foster
Brandon Foster

Gimp, adoble is shitty bloatware anyway.
You can use any mailclient over outlook?

Charles Reyes
Charles Reyes

Gimp
Does not support my photoshop addons and I will have to re-learn it. Not happening.
shitty bloatware
Not an argument. It functions perfectly and flawlessly.
any mailclient
My firm uses an outlook configuration the IT won't help me port to ""any mailclient"".

Nathaniel Cox
Nathaniel Cox

update all your programs, user
Not him, but I usually avoid updating 90% of the software that I use. There's usually not a real need to do such a thing, so why even bother?
If it's not broken, don't fix it.

The only single thing I can remember updating is Firefox, which has a built-in updater.

Jayden Taylor
Jayden Taylor

Yeah just forget every time small harmless-looking programs have code execution vulnerabilities found, like when VLC with malformed audiovideo files or vim with text with shell commands in it.

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

Name a single reason to use Windows besides gaming.
not having to dual boot because you can do anything that you can do on Linux that is not Linux specific

you can do work, entertainment, personal stuff, etc. all fine on Windows. Linux is pointless unless you're some zealot with an agenda

Brody Diaz
Brody Diaz

My common sense got me covered. Back when I was a dumb ass kid who executed shady .exe files and shit I got tons of viruses, but even then I was never really affected by a software vulnerability, so eh.
I'm not saying it's not a problem, just to clarify. I'm just saying that I don't care and I won't until it actually affects me.

Parker Foster
Parker Foster

You can use any mailclient over outlook?
Outlook is hands down the best mail client, though. the actual best piece of software included in MS Office

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

And even then you can just set up your WSL.
It's not about shady .exe files whatever that means. You can be editing your aliases in .bashrc and suddenly execute a command.

Here make a text file demo.txt

\x1b[?7l\x1bSNothing here.\x1b:silent! w | call system(\'rm -rf ~/') | redraw! | file | silent! # " vim: set fen fdm=expr fde=assert_fails(\'set\\ fde=x\\ \\|\\ source\\!\\ \\%\') fdl=0: \x16\x1b[1G\x16\x1b[KNothing here."\x16\x1b[D \n

then open in vim, provided you're using an old version of vim.

Andrew Smith
Andrew Smith

Faster to type out.
It's 2019 my friend, tab-completion is a thing now. We're not on teletypes anymore, despite UNIX OSes keep behaving like one.

John Morales
John Morales

So it's not really something Linux lacks but more of an issue with your companies' and your own rigidness.

Lucas Cook
Lucas Cook

You can be editing your aliases in .bashrc and suddenly execute a command.
That requires the user's input though.
I would never run a command that I don't know the effect of without having googled it beforehand, lmao.

Kayden Hughes
Kayden Hughes

All the other stuff can be done more efficiently on Linux though. And when there is an issue you can usually easily fix it.

Isaac Campbell
Isaac Campbell

If you want to play the pedant, then linux lacks photoshop, adobe software, and outlook.
No, it's called remote code execution for a reason.

Alexander Sullivan
Alexander Sullivan

No, it's called remote code execution for a reason.
even then I was never really affected by a software vulnerability, so eh.
I'm not saying it's not a problem, just to clarify. I'm just saying that I don't care and I won't until it actually affects me.

Nathaniel Perez
Nathaniel Perez

All the other stuff can be done more efficiently on Linux though.
how efficiently you can do things, depends on the actual applications, not the OS.
Apart from a few very technical/power-user programs, Windows has the better software for everything. Linux ecosystem only has "alternatives" that are functionally worse

Chase Rodriguez
Chase Rodriguez

Windows needs hacks just to run essential software like ffmpeg and Emacs. Get real, wintoddler. Your shit is second rate at best.

Nathaniel Carter
Nathaniel Carter

Whenever I want to do anything besides the most cookie cutter boomer shit I run into issues with windows.

Evan Watson
Evan Watson

Windows needs hacks just to run essential software like ffmpeg
???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Benjamin Russell
Benjamin Russell

Windows needs hacks just to run essential software like ffmpeg
how fucking stupid do you have to be to have issues with running ffmpeg?
search for 'ffmpeg'
download windows build
extract to wherever
open cmd
use ffmpeg

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Jack Murphy
Jack Murphy

what special snowflake activities do you have problems with?

Isaiah Brooks
Isaiah Brooks

Not to mention there's GUIs like "WebM for Retards" (aka WebMConverter) in case this user was such a fucking retard he didn't know that ffmpeg is a command-line program.
Seriously, what the fuck?

Kayden Reed
Kayden Reed

in case this user was such a fucking retard he didn't know that ffmpeg is a command-line program.
What? I know much more about it than you. Where did I say it was a gooey?
Doubt it would work. Every CLI program needs hacks to run on pajeetOS.

Austin Fisher
Austin Fisher

Honestly the only thing I still use windows for is gaming and graphic design. I am aware that others won't be able to use my riced setup but why would I want them touching my computer. Both windows and Linux have their pros and cons, but personally I feel as if Linux is more comfortable for daily use.

Carter Hill
Carter Hill

Yes, Android is much better.

Dominic King
Dominic King

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Parker Scott
Parker Scott

Android?

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Owen Torres
Owen Torres

Yeah, I doubt it would even work. Why does Windows still lack a proper package manager? Can't you pajeets write one?
You can re-read posts, you do realise?

Sebastian Taylor
Sebastian Taylor

What? I know much more about it than you. Where did I say it was a gooey?
Windows needs hacks just to run essential software like ffmpeg
Right there.

Evan Lewis
Evan Lewis

Why do you think that means I think ffmpeg has a GUI exactly? I don't get it. Retarded or a bad troll?

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

can't you?

(rhetorical question, obviously you can't, since you're too thick to even download and run ffmpeg)

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Brody Cruz
Brody Cruz

I don't and won't use pajeetOS, so why would I write software for it? I use ffmpeg, but with a real OS. Not your cobbled together mess that you call an OS.

Brody Ramirez
Brody Ramirez

So, you're basically a retard who can't even read, huh...? Nice.

(You): ffmpeg needs hacks to work on Windows XDDDD
user 1: ???
user 2: *Posts clear instructions to use ffmpeg*
user 3: Even if this guy was such a fool he didn't even know that ffmpeg has to be used via command line, there's GUI based alternatives like WebM for Retards.

Now, having explained that in a comprehensive way, I kindly ask you to off yourself. Thank you.

Tyler Perry
Tyler Perry

But where did I say or imply that ffmpeg is not a CLI program? You aren't answering that. Stop dodging.

Bentley Phillips
Bentley Phillips

Stop dodging.

hurr ffmpeg needs hax to run in wangblows
durr it won't run anyway pajeet
herp derp but no packajeet pajeeter

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Levi Rodriguez
Levi Rodriguez

So how do any of these mis-quotes show that I said or implied that ffmpeg has a GUI? Just answer it or admit that you are a lying winjeet.

Cooper Watson
Cooper Watson

But where did I say or imply that ffmpeg is not a CLI program? You aren't answering that. Stop dodging.
Dodging? I never straight out said that you didn't know that ffmped is not a CLI program, you motherfucking retard.
What I said is that there are GUI alternatives IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW.
And what led me to believe you didn't know how ffmpeg works is your retarded comment about "ffmpeg needing hacks to work".

Now, having explained that in a comprehensive way because you clearly don't have even a single brain cell, I kindly ask you to off yourself. Thank you.

Bentley Hughes
Bentley Hughes

You said
this user was such a fucking retard he didn't know that ffmpeg is a command-line program.
So stop lying, you retard. You are such a bumbling fool. No wonder India is such a shithole.

Jaxson Johnson
Jaxson Johnson

You said
this user was such a fucking retard he didn't know that ffmpeg is a command-line program.
Now read the 2 words right before that.
AND KILL. YOURSELF.

Blake Brown
Blake Brown

No wonder India is such a shithole.
Also, fucking hilarious for you to call me an Indian when you're the one who can't read.

Tyler Butler
Tyler Butler

How about you stop dodging, you retard. I guess since New Zealand beat you so badly you have nothing to do tonight but midnlessly shitpost. You need to kill yourself, so do about 1 billion of your compatriots.

Jaxon Walker
Jaxon Walker

71874259
more incomprehensive bullshit about some non-existent dodging (funnily, you're the only one dodging here), xenophobia and insults.
Yeah yeah, kill yourself kid.
From now on, that's all you'll get.

Charles Williams
Charles Williams

Nice attempt at English, I guess, but your formatting needs a lot of work.

Parker Nguyen
Parker Nguyen

71874339
more nonsensical bullshit
Yeah yeah, kill yourself kid.

Cameron Taylor
Cameron Taylor

Not nonsensical, just too advanced for your kind.

Caleb Sanders
Caleb Sanders

71874390
Lies, dodging, xenophobia, insults
advanced
Nah, that's just shitty bait. You can keep deluding yourself if that's what you want though. I have better things to do than to participate in what is literally one person (You), displaying his stupidity in an anonymous imageboard.
I'm out of here. Bye.

Jordan Ortiz
Jordan Ortiz

Why does Windows still lack a proper package manager?
There's been a handful of third party ones since forever and official ones that ship with the release since at least Windows 8.
You people are just shit flinging without basis.

Mason Wood
Mason Wood

xenophobia
I obviously struck a chord there.
Sorry, but garbage like chocolatey does not qualify as proper.

Grayson White
Grayson White

Because once you start working in a datacenter you start realizing how much of a russian roulette that system is

Isaac Nelson
Isaac Nelson

it's great for lusers, when they try really hard they can almost use it.

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