/pcbg/ - PC Building General

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on titles above parts lists to see notes
pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
>R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value
>R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU
>R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU (9900K for spendthrifts)
>R7 1700X - Budget video editing
>R9 3900X - Professional tasks

RAM:
>Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 or Micron E-die recommended
>AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

GPUs based on current pricing:
1080p
>RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost
>GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games
>RX 5700 - even higher FPS
1440p
>RX 5700 - basic
>RX 5700XT - standard
>RTX 2070 Super - higher framerates in SOME games
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does.
>2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive

>Navi launch drivers have issues, esp. w/ OC. Wait for AIB if considering the XT. 5700 blower is alright, due to low power. AIB models come mid-August.

General:
>PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
>Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important
>SSD Guide (250GB+ SATA bare minimums): i.imgur.com/79MYtoE.png
>NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming
>"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work
>Don't use Speccy
>AM4 VRMs + Monitors under "more"

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lg.com/us/monitors/lg-24MP59G-P-gaming-monitor
pcpartpicker.com/product/bMKcCJ/msi-optix-ag32cq-315-2560x1440-144hz-monitor-optix-ag32cq
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>GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games
Buy an RX 590 for $170 or less on sale or used instead.

mATX
ITX
ATX
which one if gaymen with 5700
preferably airflow, at least 3 ssd 2.5"
will use only 1 gpu and 2 dimm

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Help me I want to cry I wish my computer would just work I wish I didn't need to fix everything all the time

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Isn't that just a tiny bump up from the RX 580 performance-wise for a less tiny bump up in price? Or has that changed?

GTX 1660 performs only a little better than the 590, but the 590 can often be found at deep discounts. You're better off getting the 590.

newfag here
do i need a gpu to update my bios on a 3600 considering they don't have APU?

Another shill thread.

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What cooler should I pair with a 3600? Is watercooling a meme?

pcpartpicker.com/list/XYMg8Y
small bump, this is my updated list, pretty sure this will be final

shouldn't need to worry about anything other than sata or power, it's probably legacy power or something

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if you are using bios flash or whatever without the cpu then no
>Is watercooling a meme?
yes, anything in the $30 range should be very good, the hyper 212 black in on sale on amazon

hello sir, please buy noctua.

>win 7
>3600

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Single tower cooler like the Hyper 212 EVO Black edition.

The stock one or a cheap ass air cooler.

>if you are using bios flash or whatever without the cpu then no
might sound like a retard but how does the mobo send any signal to the monitor if no apu no gpu and no mobo integrated gpu

can someone give an actual source on this or why they won't work because no one has explained it
or can you actually just recommend me an alternative motherboard and cpu for windows 7?

MY TOMAHAWK DOESN'T FUCKING WORK

EOL
also
why win 7?
why not 10?

You dont need a signal on your monitor the mobo should have a led somewhere to indicate that the update is on

did u flash it

just get win10 for free
your power supply should have at least 550W btw
also, you could get a crucial mx500 M.2 instead of that samsung ssd.

>based on current pricing
You think a shill is someone looking for price/performance?

so i'll have to guess what's happening through a led
sounds laborious

I'm already regretting getting a 3700x with all the bios/driver issues reported. Never again early adopting.

You were warned

Correct, hence the screeching of anons whom cant get their msi flashback boards working.

attach fans to the headers and try again, if its not spinning, you're not flashing the bios.

Whats the thing that the sata thing plugs into? Not the hard drive, it goes the other way. I think that might be whats broken on my computer. Is it easy to replace?

Thanks for being beta tester, goy.

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So the 3800X isn't out yet?

Some retailers have it listed as out of stock and many don't even bother listing it

Howdy my fellow Jow Forumsoys
should i go 2600x or 3600 for best value gaymen paired with a 5700xt

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there's enough reasons that 2000 characters aren't enough, from bloat, spyware, not being in control of your own pc, no customization or freedom etc.
>EOL
I'm tired of hearing this shit, all it means is no more updates from microsoft, which I already have turned off and so does anyone who ran ancile. the only support that matters is the third party support from hardware and software, e.g. cpus and games
I can easily get win10 for free, I got win7 for free as well, I'm not an idiot
the power supply I have lying around is 520W, is that not good enough? if not, why?
>m.2
what are the differences? I'm going to be installing the OS on it
is it objectively better?
it goes in your motherboard
if it's broken it's likely you'll have to get a new motherboard

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nah it's out. Just not popular. Honestly it's not worth the money.

>with all the bios/driver issues reported
explain
i want to get one for my new build with a tomahawk

what BIOS issues? Are you talking with 3xxx series on older chipset boards? Because I have an X570 board with zero issues.

2600 non x is better value obv but 3600 is better. pretty big jump

Limited quantities. Expect them to be out of stock at e-tail for weeks, easier to check on local retail and hope they got a shipment of processors soon.

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So long as my cpu clock stays at the right clock speed with the manual voltage I've set during a benchmark and the temperature is fine, it's " le stable "?

I CANT GET A NEW MOTHERBOARD THATS SO COMPLICATED

its not broke broke but my brand new hard drive is really noisy and internet said it could be that data cable

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amd should just stop binning multiple same core cpus at this point its a meme

Every fucking BestBuy near me is outta stock.

MicroCenter doesn't even have them listed

I don't even know why the 3600X exists

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i just don't understand why you insist on using win7
520W might just barely cut it, but don't expect long-term reliability
for sata SSDs M.2 is just a form factor. it's just less of a hassle because it doesnt require any cables

anything above ryzen 2000 x ocing is a meme... i hope u are not getting memed

isn't 2600 already overkill for 1080 144Hz gaymen?
i mean what's the point of muh extra clock speed if the gpu will bottleneck me

Older chipset, 3XX and 4XX. Of course 5XX doesn't have this issue because it already shipped with newest bios.

Alternatively the internet is lying to you and your hard drive has dysfunctional spindle motor.

>segmentation for 100-200mhz higher clocks and a better box cooler
memery

answer the question dork

People are still mad because they wanted boost clocks on all cores. Shit works fine on my X470 board.

not for high hz gaymin. nothing cpu wise is a meme for that. even a 580 will se increases in lows and what not from a 3600

Its new though and my old one sounded the same i hate pc stuff so much

>ebullying to get answers

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yeah but going early adaptation on a non-proven (ie a few years down the line) product for muh +10% fps ain't really worth it
i mean my old 2630Q can't even be maxed

nice triple dubs

some hard drives are noisy
unless it's making a hard grinding sound all the time
if it makes noise while you're copying large files or doing stuff on it then it's no worries
>that's so complicated
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g
here's a video to show anybody who's even remotely scared of building a pc that they shouldn't be even remotely scared of building a pc
I don't know how young you are but you shouldn't be worried user, it's okay
if you still think your hard drive is broken then I can try to help

witnessed

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>early adaptation on a non-proven
its 3rd gen ryzen bruh

>+10% fps
havent checkd benchmarks in your specific usecase(tm) so cant comment on dis

3600 over 2600 has like double the 0.1% lows in some games
2600x is shit value over 3600 atleast here. 2600 is better. but id go with 3600 huge jumps in gaymin

>maybe 2-3 good upcoming games
>no new tech to rush and upgrade for
>buying into marketer hype and upgrading now
Goddamn it feels good not being a complete stooge. Enjoy wasting money on shit when the real drops come out in late 2020.

What's the Jow Forums approved mouse for 2019? my G400s scroll broke, don't know what to buy anymore.

triple dubs have spoken

>its 3rd gen ryzen bruh
yes, but what if in a few month there a shit ton of call backs because the new 7nm architecture manufacturing process wasn't on point? or the extra heat of zen 2 causes too much malfunction end short product life
call me a boomer but i'm not that autistic about muh bleeding edge adoption, i can live with a slightly outdated lpatform especially knowing that i'll be less salty when zen 3 will come out than if i went zen 2
> but id go with 3600 huge jumps in gaymin
eh i'll consider it

forgot to add
muh limited OC headspace on zen 2

>real drops come out in late 2020.
you'll say the same about zen 3

G305, G403, MX518, G Pro, Glorious Model O

I tried building my 3700x build but fucked up the pins. One pin even fell out. I've accepted that my cpu is done but is the motherboard (asus prime x570 pro) still good for use? There are scratches from the pins in the upper right corner

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Amazon has some nice monitor sales during prime. I'm willing to buy a new ultrawide monitor but I can't decide whether IPS or M-VA is better. I'm loving my current IPS and don't while on paper the va monitor has better functions like gsync I don't want to suffer from shitty image quality or ghosting.

Probably fine but might want to make sure that the missing pin didn't fall in and get lost in the socket

>One pin even fell out
oof

ocing past 2000-x cpus are literally a meme.
>wanting non optimized cpus so you can squeeze out oc yourself instead of getting a working product out of the box
>buying a low clocked cpu for the specific reason that u can manually oc it instead of the performance it delivers
we are hitting boomer nostalgia levels that are unprecedented

>having this much fear
dare I say it?.... s-stop kvetching and just buy it goy
>zen2 heat
>7nm
it's literally less heat tho
you are way too paranoid but sure

"Luckily" the pin that fell out landed on my desk. I don't see any other missing pins besides that one.

Goddamn I fucked up. Who knows when they will come back in stock again.

Get a load of THIS userbenchmark score!

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Picture of the processor?

Rma it and say it was like that in the box

I have a 1700x its prob gonna be good for budger 1080p gaming for a while. Prob will get the 5700 or xt when customs come and if on sale.

>ocing past 2000-x cpus are literally a meme.
wouldn't future drivers increase that?
>wanting non optimized cpus
but i'm not the one shilling for early adoption user :^)
>dare I say it?.... s-stop kvetching and just buy it goy
kek
>it's literally less heat tho
latest benchmarks tend to show that 3000 are way too hot compared to 2000
>but muh cooling
that's not the point
>you are way too paranoid but sure
that's when happen when you saved and waitfagged for 10 years and don't want to fuck up your only shot of the decade

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You too dude? My 3600 took it out of the box and bottom 3 pins were bent as fuck.

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Oh this was the pic with the 4th bent pin I forgot which was which

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My 3700x.

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(2)

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oh man this image

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I feel you, but at the same time I haven't gotten new hardware since early 2012, and I'm in need of an upgrade now.

what motherboard/cpu combo has great power and thermal management? would like features like fine grain fan control including complete spin down and extremely low rpm speeds, and able to idle with minimal power consumption?

How does one bend the pins? How does that even happen?

lg.com/us/monitors/lg-24MP59G-P-gaming-monitor
>no vesa or height adjustment
damn
it was almost perfect
anything similar or do I just have to deal with this?
specifically looking for 24" freesync 75Hz 1080p

In my case I legitimately don't know. I opened the box and it was already bent.

forgot to add "IPS/VA only" woops

WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE 2080 SUPER REVIEWS AND INFO STUFF FUCK

what features do you need and what CPU are you using, because iirc there's no itx x570 motherboards out there yet and the 5700 performs worse without a pcie 4.0 mobo

thoughts on this monitor?
pcpartpicker.com/product/bMKcCJ/msi-optix-ag32cq-315-2560x1440-144hz-monitor-optix-ag32cq

LG 24MK430H-B

There is one x570 ITX board that I know about.

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How did you fuck that up?

but do you want to buy a 300 dollar motherboard when the Asrock mobo coming out soon will have tb3 onboard, 1151 mounting and better VRM?

2080 Super releases in about a week.

I'm not advocating for one thing over another. Just posting to say something exists.

Pick any PWM fan. Most, if not all modern MOBOs have PWM fan controllers. Unless you buy some garbage chink shit that won't boot. Case and CPU fans usually don't have a 0 RPM mode unlike some PSUs and GPUs... but if you invest in BeQuiet or Noctua fans, you won't hear them over your system general noises. I ramped up the cheapest 140mm BeQuiet! fans, can't hear them even with my ears next to them. Literally everything else is noisier.

Is it better to evenly cover your CPU with thermal paste or to just do a single dollop in the center?

Yeah but usually there are reviews and shit before launch heck