/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Vega costs $150 more

They updated the specs of the 27GL850G to be freesync with G-sync certified compatibility.
It's a bit annoying for me because I was in the market for the G-sync version moreso.
If you're using your monitor for multiple things at once you might not need full gaming-tier refresh rates or adaptive sync on all of them, and if you want a bigger screen for gaming an ultrawide might work better.
I'm also not familiar with how freesync deals with multiple monitors

am i bottlenecking myself with 2600 for 5700xt gaymen?

zen 2 "just buy it goy" fanboys need not apply

Attached: 1527797416306.jpg (316x278, 55K)

>My 1440p doesn't have freesync or g-sync
How badly did I fuck up?

Since when? they cost literally the same?

yes

no

if 1440p no

From end of previous thread

>zen 2 "just buy it goy" fanboys need not apply
if you were getting bottlenecked the answer to your solution would be to upgrade, and if you had the compatible motherboard a 3000 series would probably make more sense than a 2000 series, unless you for some reason wanted to switch to intel.
you'll get bottlenecked with a 2600 at 1080p, but likely still playable. at 1440p it's less significant

If it's a gaming monitor, then yes. However, you can still get use out of it as a secondary monitor if you want and the fact that it's 1440p will mean it will work well with a 1440p gaming monitor. It's best if it's VA but if it's just IPS that might be okay too. A 1440p TN panel without async is a ridiculous proposition, even moreso as a secondary monitor

Attached: cmcg.jpg (716x726, 68K)

>1660 is well over €250/200
>A card released to compete with a 3 year old card(which is a refresh itself btw, lol) costs about 2x
Why did Nvidia mean by this?

>AMD GPUs
>power hungry
>loud

>Nvidia
>overpriced
>garbage drivers and software

You just can't win.

Attached: 1557162823116.png (382x395, 62K)

Build a proper workstation overseas.
Laptops aren't suited to 3d work.

>1660 ~305usd
>vega 56 ~315usd
Pretty much the same price.

The problem was that at the time of purchase Nvidia had basically no competition in 1440p performance and I wasn't willing to pay premium for g-sync, with freesync not being by supported by nvidia it seemed to be an okay move at the time. Now I'm considering buying a 5700 XT and I have no fucking idea how to go about it. Should I try to sell it on ebay and buy one gaymen ultrawide va monitor with freesync?

Yes you can, by waiting for aib 5700xt or getting non-xt now.

so how bad is the performance loss b450/x470 vs x570 ?

I considered that as well and i'm going to ask if this is office oriented or meeting oriented where i'm supposed to bring it to different locations, it's in q4 so i have time to figure out details.

>or getting non-xt now.
Aren't the drivers broken now?

how hard would i lose fps for 1080p 144hz? compared to 3600
if it's a loss of 10% i can live with it

Just keep your screen, and eventually get a freesync one. Old screen can then be a side screen or the like.
There's some thinkpad that's ryzen based, but AFAIK uses the on-die GPU, which just isn't great.

>30/40watts more when the baseline is well over 200/300watts is bad
Based retard
Just underbolt

Is the BenQ XL2730Z best 1440p 144hz freesync monitor I can get my hands on at 27' if I plan to get 3 of them ? Shit is crazy

Where the fuck do you live
Check pcpartpicker prices

Probably like 10 frames, yeah. Who cares lol.

is there a point switching 1080 to 5700xt or wait for next gen navi

Poland, I assumed electronics are always cheaper in USA, because it's true like 99% of the time. No idea how the fuck is vega cheaper here. Is crypto mining still a thing inflating prices?

What temps should a CPU typically run at? I don't know if my 1700x is dying or something else is wrong. When gaymen its like around 55-65 and idle is like 40ish, should I be worried?

>Pcpartpicker prices
Kys nigger

1660
>runs cool
>runs quiet
>low power draw
>decent performance at 1080p

vega56
>runs hot
>runs loud
>high power draw
>coil whine
>great performance at 1080p or 1440p

It's by no means a no-brainer, miss

Attached: mart.jpg (206x304, 15K)

It's fine.

Would a cheap 2060 super be worth it to buy over the stock 5700(xt) models? It seems to beat the 5700 most of the time on guru3d, the cheapest version I can get is 425€ while the cheapest 5700 is about 380 and 440 for the xt.

Will be playing on 144hz 1080p with a ryzen 3600

1080 is cutting it pretty close, especially if its overclocked; if it were me I would probably skip this generation and go for the next in 2020 so you actually feel a noticeable upgrade, rather than starting out with a baseline of a 1080 and increasing performance by 15 or so percent by grabbing the current navi models.

>When gaymen its like around 55-65
Intcels are perfectly fine with >90c, that too with liquid coolers.

you right. running hot and loud is an easy fix, so is high power drag if you lower the clock, and the coil whine is not guaranteed.

i'd rather roll the dice and have my great 1440, instead of grabbing an average 1080 card that i'll have to replace in the 2-3 years.

if it gets hotter it usually suggest you should clean your system or replace thermal paste. Also do take in account the temperature in your room, it's summer so ofc it's hotter

Fair enough. But for someone who was going 1080p it's still not the obvious choice that it was made out to be. Some people want out-of-the-box cool, quiet and good performance (at 1080p).

Depending how mobile he needs it to be he could just look into getting a really small case
if he needs a laptop he has a lot of requirements to find at such short notice

If you can sell it, feel free, although it might not be worth as much in cash as it might as a secondary monitor. It depends what screentype it is. If it's TN it's not going to give as good smoothness as an async monitor, nor make up for that with better picture quality

Depends on the games. There are benchmarks out there in the 3600 reviews, it seems to vary depending on how demanding of the GPU the games are. For more demanding titles it's 10-15, for less demanding it can be as high as 30.
Unfortunately 1080 is a CPU bottlenecking resolution.
However, I don't think you need to rush out and buy a 3000 series just yet. A 5700XT will be an improvement over what you have even at 1080p with a 2600. If you aren't happy with it and want to get better performance out of the 5700xt, you can upgrade in a few months, and the ryzen 3000s will likely be cheaper.

aight
better save them 100 bucks then

>$250 Threadripper 2920X on Amazon

fug, I was really planning on a Ryzen build, but now I'm so tempted.

Why is this thread so biased toward AMD CPUs?
They're all still so far behind in gaming benchmarks.
There is no reason to buy an Intel CPU for productivity, but it's definitely the better options for kids who want to play games.

>runs hot
>runs loud
>coil whine
literally not gpu related but cooling issue. You can have any gpu run loud and hot if you slap one shit fan on it.
>high power draw
180-200W in witcher 3 on 4k is high?

would you suggest going 1440p gaymen or going 2600 now and then upgrading to zen 3 in a couple years?
my biggest concern is long term relevancy of the hardware, i can cope with mid to low setting in 10 years if i get to not have to buy more stuff
btw old pc is a laptop so i'm starting from scratch

avoid the shills. get an intel you need something now. if you can hold out for a little bit go for zen2 once all the kinks are worked out

I run my OC'd 2600 on air and never go above 70c. As long as your not constantly running at 60+, you'll be fine.

dont listen to them bro
just get intel
amd will get too cocky if they get market share lead
do it for me

my issue is the pricing for some of these 1080p cards. everyone was convinced 4k would lower 1080 gaming by a lot, but it still cost roughly ~$180 to 220 for a good 1080 gpu.

I thought by now we'd see $99 cards that do 1080 flawless, with the 1440 gpus sitting near $200.

The 5700 uses significantly less power than the 2060S and 2070. It's not louder than the 2060/2070, either.
5700 XT won't be loud when AIB cards come next month.

5700XT is roughly 1080Ti perf, and at lower power usage. It is an upgrade, but not a huge one.
It also has full DX12, Vulkan, and native HDR 10 support. And you have RIS/CAS natively, running faster than it runs on reshade (it's ~1% perf drop with RIS, and ~4% with reshade).

You may as well wait until like February to see if an RX 5800/5900 comes out by then, or if 5700 XT is on sale at closer to $300, to make for a better upgrade.

Most of what you listed has nothing to do with the GPU, but the cooler.
My Vega 56 Red Dragon is completely silent compared to my Noctua and Arctic fans, and the only coil whine is for less than 3 seconds when it starts ramping up in a few games but then it stops.
Power draw is only 25 watts more than the 2060, too, so insignificant. Runs everything at 2560x1600@60 which the 1660ti doesn't do, too.

There are also 1660Tis and 2060s which are hot and loud as fuck because they use milled heatsinks that belong on sub $100 GPUs.

1440p is almost double the pixels as 1080p. Simple math, you just multiply the horizontal lines by the vertical.
Also look at fucking benchmarks.
Zen2 Ryzen is better than Zen+ threadripper.

check the benchmarks, it's not that great for gaming. you'd be better off with the $199 2700x, or the $250 3600x.

I agree

>Why is price/perf so biased toward AMD CPUs?
ftfy

>Zen2 Ryzen is better than Zen+ threadripper.
Not for multithread at that price tag.

Are you a bot? I swear that I have seen you say the exact same things before.
Or are you typing a script AMD gave you?

>buy Intel CPU now which will continue to get worse due to more and more security patches
>don't buy zen2 CPU now which will continue to get better with BIOS updates
Who is behind this post?

None of us who bought Zen1 on launch have problems with it.
Sure it had problems on launch, but then we updated our BIOS and it's fine.
If we had bought a 7700k or 7600k which were "fine on launch", we'd be stuck with a shitty CPU that would have required BUYING NEW HARDWARE to fix, which is much more of a hassle than simply updating BIOS and Windows.

Holy fuck the retardation. This is exactly why people recommend AMD, the literal opposite of the garbage you're spewing.

Board cost? X399 boards are expensive.
A 3700X is going to be close to the multithreaded perf of the 2920X.

Reminder that this is the person who told people to buy b450/x470 boards with zen2 and now their PC's can't post.

Attached: pepelaugh.jpg (251x242, 10K)

He's doing a good job by turning people away from AMD. Which is sort of funny.

I could sell my 1080 for 330 at least or so, it still has warranty and its benching quite well
so basically there is not worthy upgrade if 5700 is not worth it
hers m performance on it userbenchmark.com/UserRun/18379208

>$329 9700k
convince me not to purchase. keep in mind that 90% of what I do on my PC is game, with the other 10% being browsing and jerking off.

>buy a 3600x
my plan is to sit on this thing for at least 6-7 years, and I've read that higher core count(and single core performance) helps with rpcs3 emulation

Attached: 1557468086539.jpg (945x1500, 154K)

>now their PC's can't post.
are you memeing? I ask because reddit are buying tomahawks in mass.

>prime day
>Ballistix 3600CL16 on sale for less than any 3200CL16
Christmas came early this year.

3600 or 3600x

you retarded nigger lddit is complaining about that board in particular miles more than anything

>reddit are buying tomahawks in mass.
Because they are sheep that got trolled. The tomahawk max gets released soon because the old version can't support the fixed BIOS

>Ballistix
poor man's corsair/gskill

3600 for best value
3600x for better cooler and better clock (zen 2 doesn't OC well so you can't oc a 3600 to a 3600x level)

pcpartpicker.com/list/KV2B8Y

pcpartpicker.com/list/KV2B8Y

Pls rate. 5700 XT with Arctic Accelero or 2070 SUPER?

How bad it is if I take a gsync monitor with a 3700x + 5700XT aib ? The only monitor I can get my hands on is the ASUS MG279Q, and this shit has a 35-90hz windows for its freesync, what's the point since I want 144hz

9700k is best high perf proposition right now for gaming specifically and basically nothing else. Absolutely no guarantees it will remain the gaming champ if upcoming titles are more efficiently threaded though.
3600, especially if using an aftermarket cooler since although the Spire on the X is a little better it doesn't matter if you're not using it. There's fuckall separation in the binning between the SKUs so despite the higher advertised clocks on the X SKU they both hit the same performance ceiling within 3% at most.
If it has the specs and best of all no RGB then I recommend it.

I hope you mean 3000c15, with AES in the product code.
The 3000 16-17-17-17 shit is trash.

>PC can't post
Only if you buy poor nigger tier b450/x470. Ayyyymd fags are fucking poor.

My 7700k destroys your zen 1 in any games though.

Disregard I suck cocks, didn't notice you said 3600c16.
Buy it.

Super

>can't post
Oh. News to me.

Attached: specs.png (640x577, 74K)

>3.175Ghz at 1.4v
Oh no no no

Mobo choice for Ryzen 5/7 : MSI b450m Mortar ( You can update bios easily with flash youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE ) ( if going for R9 just get x570 )

CPU cooling is waste of money unless you want to go for quiet build

CPU choice: R3600 or R3700x
Storage: 1tb m.2 nvme - 100$ ( P1 recommended has big warranty )

GPU: Entry - Vega 56 Sapphire or Reddevil
Else - RX5700XT or 2070 Super

Case - fractal design define c mini ( best if using rx5700xt for its closed design and low noise levels ) meshify or whatever else u like for cards with actual cooling

Ram - recommending to go budget and buy Viper 3733, very cheap very fast, always go for bdie if on sale

PSU - Seasonic has highest quality capacitors and most likely to last 15 years

>what is a low current load
Please, don't pretend you know anything about how CPUs work. You'll only embarrass yourself.

It's a tough question, and I'm not the best to tell you, having never used freesync or an AMD GPU, but from what I know it sounds like a straightforward win for the monitor.
I'd probably choose the monitor, because the XT5700 will do that better to a greater extent over whatever you have now than a 3600+5700xt will do 1080p better than a 2600+5700xt
A 1440p freesync monitor will serve AMD GPUs for a long time. They basically won't become "obsolete" until mid-tier AMD GPUs and mid-tier freesync monitors are running 4K, which is a decade down the pipeline at least. And even then they'll still be of use if they still run. A 3600 will be where the 2600 is now in a few years.

>poor man's g skill
and that's a good thing
>poor man's corsair
corsair is the poor man's corsair
ballistix (e die) is the smart poor man's corsair

Very bad. Get a freesync monitor for an AMD GPU.
If you want a top-tier IPS freesync get something like an Aorus AD27QD, or wait for the LG 27gl850 with the new panel technology.

Your CPU is about to blow up on you my dude.

Powercolor RX 590 for 205€ or RX 5700 for 389€
Still at 1080p
Is vega 56/64 even worth considering?

>it's fine to use 1.4v when idle
Seek help

On Newegg there are several reviews for the red dragon that feature complaints about coil whine. It seems like a common problem on the Sapphire Pulse as well, which gets recommended a lot despite that. ...

Anyone tried using remote desktop for work? how viable is it in the long run, assuming the internet connection is good. are constant lags and freezes pretty much guaranteed anyway? I work with some resource-demanding soft my pretty powerful laptop is barely able run, but I have to come by the office at least once or twice a week, so I figured that instead of paying a fortune for a new laptop, I'd buy a desktop instead and just use remote desktop

Does this make you feel better?

Attached: specswew.png (640x577, 74K)

How do I find Samsung B Die ram for this motherboard?

pcpartpicker.com/product/Pq97YJ/asrock-fatal1ty-b450-gaming-k4-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-gaming-k4

I was looking for 3200 cl14 or cl16 and most of the ones for sale seem to be a gamble between samsung or hynix.

Attached: panthermedia_22842959_7187x4792.jpg (620x413, 206K)

Wait for next month before considering 5700. Remodels come out.

whats wrong about cpu using 1.4 idle?

5700xt

Prove it isn't.
You can't, because you have absolutely no idea how it works, or how it literally changes in 1ms intervals depending on what the CPU is doing. It even spikes to 1.5v, which is completely fine and within design spec.

>too much of a brainlet to externally flash a spi bios
Imagine being this useless.