/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Chase Ross
Chase Ross

Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions; click on titles above parts lists to see notes
pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
How to assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g [Embed]

Want help?
State budget & CURRENCY
Post at least some attempt at a parts list
List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing:
Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming
R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value
R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU
R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU (9900K for spendthrifts)
R7 1700X - Budget video editing
R9 3900X - Professional tasks

RAM:
Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU
CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 or Micron E-die recommended
AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP

GPUs based on current pricing:
1080p
RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost
GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games
RX 5700 - even higher FPS
1440p
RX 5700 - basic
RX 5700XT - standard
RTX 2070 Super - higher framerates in SOME games
2160p (4K)
RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does.
2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive

Navi launch drivers have issues, esp. w/ OC. Wait for AIB if considering the XT. 5700 blower is alright, due to low power. AIB models come mid-August.

General:
PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING
Yes, adaptive sync (freesync) is important
SSD Guide (250GB+ SATA bare minimums): i.imgur.com/79MYtoE.png
NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming
"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work
Don't use Speccy
AM4 VRMs + Monitors under "more"

more: rentry.co/pcbg-more
jowforums.com/thread/71882902/technology

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pcpartpicker.com/list/CC2NRJ
pcpartpicker.com/list/MnxmnH
amazon.it/MSI-B450M-MORTAR-Scheda-Realtek/dp/B07FNMLCTM
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/htmlview?sle=true
jowforums.com/thread/71882902/technology
userbenchmark.com/UserRun/18379208
pcpartpicker.com/list/KV2B8Y
youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE
pcpartpicker.com/product/Pq97YJ/asrock-fatal1ty-b450-gaming-k4-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-gaming-k4
amazon.com/RIOTORO-Compartment-Support-Dedicated-CR1080/dp/B01D205IXS
youtube.com/watch?v=-SAWtKEIYbw
amazon.com/dp/B0134EW7G8/
amazon.com/Ballistix-PC4-28800-288-Pin-Gaming-Memory/dp/B07NPKTRS1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2QGXV3BMPYO34
amazon.com/G-SKILL-Flare-288-Pin-Memory-F4-3200C14D-16GFX/dp/B06XFT7DF9/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=flare x&qid=1563188446&s=electronics&sr=1-3
amazon.com/dp/B01MQU6CWU/
youtu.be/ZzJCQkHXQSQ?t=179
amazon.com/Dell-D2719HGF-Response-Speakers-FreeSync/dp/B07J4SXNQ5/
youtu.be/itcd9H2ED4k
amazon.com/gp/product/B0143UM4TC
amd.com/de/where-to-buy/promotions2
hardwareluxx.de/community/f13/crucial-ballistix-elite-ddr4-3600-cl16-18-18-ble2k8g4d36beeak-im-kurztest-1229639.html
techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_Memory_Tweaking_Overclocking_Guide/
amazon.com/dp/B07L5HD4DH/?tag=slicinc-20&ascsubtag=f6e6add0a70211e986c6264570c22ffb0INT
tomshardware.com/news/ddr4-memory-overclocking-world-record-ram-micron,39358.html
jowforums.com/thread/71890814/technology
notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Zephyrus-S-GX531GS-i7-8750H-GTX-1070-Max-Q-FHD-Laptop-Review.357366.0.html
notebookcheck.net/MSI-GL73-8SE-i7-8750H-RTX-2060-Laptop-Review.403811.0.html
jowforums.com/thread/71891238/technology

Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

pcpartpicker.com/list/CC2NRJ
R8 and/or H8

Parker Foster
Parker Foster

does arctic accelero significantly raise the power consumption? I already bought a 620W power supply which should be enough for 3700x 5700XT/2070 SUPER X570 build, but now I'm considering 5700 XT with arctic accelero. will 620W be enough?

Joseph Gray
Joseph Gray

am I cucking myself here with this mobo ?

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Carson Brooks
Carson Brooks

pcpartpicker.com/list/MnxmnH
ayaya clap

Carson Clark
Carson Clark

Reminder that today is Prime Day
B&H and Newegg are also having a sale today

Cooper Brown
Cooper Brown

Prime days has some sweet gaymen 120-144HZ ultrawide 1440p gaymen monitor deals
I already own a 2 years old 3440x1440 60Hz IPS monitor so I can't find a justification to purchase a new one especially since I must have only IPS monitor in the world with close to no IPS bleed.
Life is hell.

Jace Jenkins
Jace Jenkins

1080p
GTX 1660
when vega 56 exists
why?

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Isaac Long
Isaac Long

yes get this
much cheaper much better
tm later
amazon.it/MSI-B450M-MORTAR-Scheda-Realtek/dp/B07FNMLCTM

Brayden Wood
Brayden Wood

Repost from another thread to raise awareness:

As an actual common sense buyer who goes for best performance per dollar option I actually will give some guidance instead of shilling for or against AMD.
If you bought an AM4 mobo and can still refund it double check this chart:

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wmsTYK9Z3-jUX5LGRoFnsZYZiW1pfiDZnKCjaXyzd1o/htmlview?sle=true

If your mobo has 128 Mbit rom flash refund it. It's not just about simplifying GUI or cutting it. MSI already did that by downgrading to gui-lite and they still are having issues fitting in both agesa microcode and all mobo functions. Even if your manufacturer has no issues atm if your mobo has 128 Mbit bios memory JUST REFUND IT, odds are you will still be fucked down the lane as microcode and bios size expands with each revision.

Caleb Garcia
Caleb Garcia

Vega costs $150 more

Tyler Moore
Tyler Moore

jowforums.com/thread/71882902/technology
They updated the specs of the 27GL850G to be freesync with G-sync certified compatibility.
It's a bit annoying for me because I was in the market for the G-sync version moreso.
If you're using your monitor for multiple things at once you might not need full gaming-tier refresh rates or adaptive sync on all of them, and if you want a bigger screen for gaming an ultrawide might work better.
I'm also not familiar with how freesync deals with multiple monitors

Christopher Baker
Christopher Baker

am i bottlenecking myself with 2600 for 5700xt gaymen?

zen 2 "just buy it goy" fanboys need not apply

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Colton Reed
Colton Reed

My 1440p doesn't have freesync or g-sync
How badly did I fuck up?

Carter Scott
Carter Scott

Since when? they cost literally the same?

Aiden Lewis
Aiden Lewis

yes

Joseph Hernandez
Joseph Hernandez

no

Juan Russell
Juan Russell

if 1440p no

Parker Flores
Parker Flores

From end of previous thread jowforums.com/thread/71882902/technology

Jace Hughes
Jace Hughes

zen 2 "just buy it goy" fanboys need not apply
if you were getting bottlenecked the answer to your solution would be to upgrade, and if you had the compatible motherboard a 3000 series would probably make more sense than a 2000 series, unless you for some reason wanted to switch to intel.
you'll get bottlenecked with a 2600 at 1080p, but likely still playable. at 1440p it's less significant

If it's a gaming monitor, then yes. However, you can still get use out of it as a secondary monitor if you want and the fact that it's 1440p will mean it will work well with a 1440p gaming monitor. It's best if it's VA but if it's just IPS that might be okay too. A 1440p TN panel without async is a ridiculous proposition, even moreso as a secondary monitor

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Josiah Johnson
Josiah Johnson

1660 is well over €250/200
A card released to compete with a 3 year old card(which is a refresh itself btw, lol) costs about 2x
Why did Nvidia mean by this?

Ian Carter
Ian Carter

AMD GPUs
power hungry
loud

Nvidia
overpriced
garbage drivers and software

You just can't win.

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Logan Adams
Logan Adams

Build a proper workstation overseas.
Laptops aren't suited to 3d work.

Grayson Howard
Grayson Howard

1660 ~305usd
vega 56 ~315usd
Pretty much the same price.

Luis Allen
Luis Allen

The problem was that at the time of purchase Nvidia had basically no competition in 1440p performance and I wasn't willing to pay premium for g-sync, with freesync not being by supported by nvidia it seemed to be an okay move at the time. Now I'm considering buying a 5700 XT and I have no fucking idea how to go about it. Should I try to sell it on ebay and buy one gaymen ultrawide va monitor with freesync?

Kevin Bennett
Kevin Bennett

Yes you can, by waiting for aib 5700xt or getting non-xt now.

Gavin Long
Gavin Long

so how bad is the performance loss b450/x470 vs x570 ?

Ian Evans
Ian Evans

I considered that as well and i'm going to ask if this is office oriented or meeting oriented where i'm supposed to bring it to different locations, it's in q4 so i have time to figure out details.

Jayden Morgan
Jayden Morgan

or getting non-xt now.
Aren't the drivers broken now?

Jose Bailey
Jose Bailey

how hard would i lose fps for 1080p 144hz? compared to 3600
if it's a loss of 10% i can live with it

Jaxson Anderson
Jaxson Anderson

Just keep your screen, and eventually get a freesync one. Old screen can then be a side screen or the like.
There's some thinkpad that's ryzen based, but AFAIK uses the on-die GPU, which just isn't great.

Hudson Bennett
Hudson Bennett

30/40watts more when the baseline is well over 200/300watts is bad
Based retard
Just underbolt

Jeremiah Evans
Jeremiah Evans

Is the BenQ XL2730Z best 1440p 144hz freesync monitor I can get my hands on at 27' if I plan to get 3 of them ? Shit is crazy

Austin Perez
Austin Perez

Where the fuck do you live
Check pcpartpicker prices

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

Probably like 10 frames, yeah. Who cares lol.

Sebastian Diaz
Sebastian Diaz

is there a point switching 1080 to 5700xt or wait for next gen navi

Isaac Howard
Isaac Howard

Poland, I assumed electronics are always cheaper in USA, because it's true like 99% of the time. No idea how the fuck is vega cheaper here. Is crypto mining still a thing inflating prices?

Aaron Morgan
Aaron Morgan

What temps should a CPU typically run at? I don't know if my 1700x is dying or something else is wrong. When gaymen its like around 55-65 and idle is like 40ish, should I be worried?

Dylan Hughes
Dylan Hughes

Pcpartpicker prices
Kys nigger

Landon Gonzalez
Landon Gonzalez

1660
runs cool
runs quiet
low power draw
decent performance at 1080p

vega56
runs hot
runs loud
high power draw
coil whine
great performance at 1080p or 1440p

It's by no means a no-brainer, miss

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Lincoln Mitchell
Lincoln Mitchell

It's fine.

Austin Peterson
Austin Peterson

Would a cheap 2060 super be worth it to buy over the stock 5700(xt) models? It seems to beat the 5700 most of the time on guru3d, the cheapest version I can get is 425€ while the cheapest 5700 is about 380 and 440 for the xt.

Will be playing on 144hz 1080p with a ryzen 3600

Kayden Allen
Kayden Allen

1080 is cutting it pretty close, especially if its overclocked; if it were me I would probably skip this generation and go for the next in 2020 so you actually feel a noticeable upgrade, rather than starting out with a baseline of a 1080 and increasing performance by 15 or so percent by grabbing the current navi models.

Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

When gaymen its like around 55-65
Intcels are perfectly fine with >90c, that too with liquid coolers.

Dylan Reyes
Dylan Reyes

you right. running hot and loud is an easy fix, so is high power drag if you lower the clock, and the coil whine is not guaranteed.

i'd rather roll the dice and have my great 1440, instead of grabbing an average 1080 card that i'll have to replace in the 2-3 years.

Logan Perez
Logan Perez

if it gets hotter it usually suggest you should clean your system or replace thermal paste. Also do take in account the temperature in your room, it's summer so ofc it's hotter

Henry Roberts
Henry Roberts

Fair enough. But for someone who was going 1080p it's still not the obvious choice that it was made out to be. Some people want out-of-the-box cool, quiet and good performance (at 1080p).

Kevin Young
Kevin Young

Depending how mobile he needs it to be he could just look into getting a really small case
if he needs a laptop he has a lot of requirements to find at such short notice

If you can sell it, feel free, although it might not be worth as much in cash as it might as a secondary monitor. It depends what screentype it is. If it's TN it's not going to give as good smoothness as an async monitor, nor make up for that with better picture quality

Depends on the games. There are benchmarks out there in the 3600 reviews, it seems to vary depending on how demanding of the GPU the games are. For more demanding titles it's 10-15, for less demanding it can be as high as 30.
Unfortunately 1080 is a CPU bottlenecking resolution.
However, I don't think you need to rush out and buy a 3000 series just yet. A 5700XT will be an improvement over what you have even at 1080p with a 2600. If you aren't happy with it and want to get better performance out of the 5700xt, you can upgrade in a few months, and the ryzen 3000s will likely be cheaper.

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

aight
better save them 100 bucks then

Matthew Ramirez
Matthew Ramirez

$250 Threadripper 2920X on Amazon

fug, I was really planning on a Ryzen build, but now I'm so tempted.

Jordan Cook
Jordan Cook

Why is this thread so biased toward AMD CPUs?
They're all still so far behind in gaming benchmarks.
There is no reason to buy an Intel CPU for productivity, but it's definitely the better options for kids who want to play games.

Grayson Perez
Grayson Perez

runs hot
runs loud
coil whine
literally not gpu related but cooling issue. You can have any gpu run loud and hot if you slap one shit fan on it.
high power draw
180-200W in witcher 3 on 4k is high?

Cooper Russell
Cooper Russell

would you suggest going 1440p gaymen or going 2600 now and then upgrading to zen 3 in a couple years?
my biggest concern is long term relevancy of the hardware, i can cope with mid to low setting in 10 years if i get to not have to buy more stuff
btw old pc is a laptop so i'm starting from scratch

Henry Cooper
Henry Cooper

avoid the shills. get an intel you need something now. if you can hold out for a little bit go for zen2 once all the kinks are worked out

Ryan Lopez
Ryan Lopez

I run my OC'd 2600 on air and never go above 70c. As long as your not constantly running at 60+, you'll be fine.

Kayden Wood
Kayden Wood

dont listen to them bro
just get intel
amd will get too cocky if they get market share lead
do it for me

Luke Anderson
Luke Anderson

my issue is the pricing for some of these 1080p cards. everyone was convinced 4k would lower 1080 gaming by a lot, but it still cost roughly ~$180 to 220 for a good 1080 gpu.

I thought by now we'd see $99 cards that do 1080 flawless, with the 1440 gpus sitting near $200.

Benjamin Diaz
Benjamin Diaz

The 5700 uses significantly less power than the 2060S and 2070. It's not louder than the 2060/2070, either.
5700 XT won't be loud when AIB cards come next month.

5700XT is roughly 1080Ti perf, and at lower power usage. It is an upgrade, but not a huge one.
It also has full DX12, Vulkan, and native HDR 10 support. And you have RIS/CAS natively, running faster than it runs on reshade (it's ~1% perf drop with RIS, and ~4% with reshade).

You may as well wait until like February to see if an RX 5800/5900 comes out by then, or if 5700 XT is on sale at closer to $300, to make for a better upgrade.

Most of what you listed has nothing to do with the GPU, but the cooler.
My Vega 56 Red Dragon is completely silent compared to my Noctua and Arctic fans, and the only coil whine is for less than 3 seconds when it starts ramping up in a few games but then it stops.
Power draw is only 25 watts more than the 2060, too, so insignificant. Runs everything at [email protected] which the 1660ti doesn't do, too.

There are also 1660Tis and 2060s which are hot and loud as fuck because they use milled heatsinks that belong on sub $100 GPUs.

1440p is almost double the pixels as 1080p. Simple math, you just multiply the horizontal lines by the vertical.
Also look at fucking benchmarks.
Zen2 Ryzen is better than Zen+ threadripper.

Brandon Roberts
Brandon Roberts

check the benchmarks, it's not that great for gaming. you'd be better off with the $199 2700x, or the $250 3600x.

Robert Gomez
Robert Gomez

I agree

Ryder Russell
Ryder Russell

Why is price/perf so biased toward AMD CPUs?
ftfy

Jayden Barnes
Jayden Barnes

Zen2 Ryzen is better than Zen+ threadripper.
Not for multithread at that price tag.

Carter Davis
Carter Davis

Are you a bot? I swear that I have seen you say the exact same things before.
Or are you typing a script AMD gave you?

Leo Nguyen
Leo Nguyen

buy Intel CPU now which will continue to get worse due to more and more security patches
don't buy zen2 CPU now which will continue to get better with BIOS updates
Who is behind this post?

None of us who bought Zen1 on launch have problems with it.
Sure it had problems on launch, but then we updated our BIOS and it's fine.
If we had bought a 7700k or 7600k which were "fine on launch", we'd be stuck with a shitty CPU that would have required BUYING NEW HARDWARE to fix, which is much more of a hassle than simply updating BIOS and Windows.

Holy fuck the retardation. This is exactly why people recommend AMD, the literal opposite of the garbage you're spewing.

Board cost? X399 boards are expensive.
A 3700X is going to be close to the multithreaded perf of the 2920X.

Eli Garcia
Eli Garcia

Reminder that this is the person who told people to buy b450/x470 boards with zen2 and now their PC's can't post.

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Henry Cooper
Henry Cooper

He's doing a good job by turning people away from AMD. Which is sort of funny.

Caleb Morales
Caleb Morales

I could sell my 1080 for 330 at least or so, it still has warranty and its benching quite well
so basically there is not worthy upgrade if 5700 is not worth it
hers m performance on it userbenchmark.com/UserRun/18379208

Julian Smith
Julian Smith

$329 9700k
convince me not to purchase. keep in mind that 90% of what I do on my PC is game, with the other 10% being browsing and jerking off.

buy a 3600x
my plan is to sit on this thing for at least 6-7 years, and I've read that higher core count(and single core performance) helps with rpcs3 emulation

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Julian Carter
Julian Carter

now their PC's can't post.
are you memeing? I ask because reddit are buying tomahawks in mass.

Sebastian Gray
Sebastian Gray

prime day
Ballistix 3600CL16 on sale for less than any 3200CL16
Christmas came early this year.

Kevin Rogers
Kevin Rogers

3600 or 3600x

Carson Cook
Carson Cook

you retarded nigger lddit is complaining about that board in particular miles more than anything

Bentley Robinson
Bentley Robinson

reddit are buying tomahawks in mass.
Because they are sheep that got trolled. The tomahawk max gets released soon because the old version can't support the fixed BIOS

Wyatt Price
Wyatt Price

Ballistix
poor man's corsair/gskill

Asher Anderson
Asher Anderson

3600 for best value
3600x for better cooler and better clock (zen 2 doesn't OC well so you can't oc a 3600 to a 3600x level)

Jaxson Kelly
Jaxson Kelly

pcpartpicker.com/list/KV2B8Y

pcpartpicker.com/list/KV2B8Y

Pls rate. 5700 XT with Arctic Accelero or 2070 SUPER?

Leo Miller
Leo Miller

How bad it is if I take a gsync monitor with a 3700x + 5700XT aib ? The only monitor I can get my hands on is the ASUS MG279Q, and this shit has a 35-90hz windows for its freesync, what's the point since I want 144hz

Christian Price
Christian Price

9700k is best high perf proposition right now for gaming specifically and basically nothing else. Absolutely no guarantees it will remain the gaming champ if upcoming titles are more efficiently threaded though.
3600, especially if using an aftermarket cooler since although the Spire on the X is a little better it doesn't matter if you're not using it. There's fuckall separation in the binning between the SKUs so despite the higher advertised clocks on the X SKU they both hit the same performance ceiling within 3% at most.
If it has the specs and best of all no RGB then I recommend it.

Lucas Gomez
Lucas Gomez

I hope you mean 3000c15, with AES in the product code.
The 3000 16-17-17-17 shit is trash.

Ayden Cruz
Ayden Cruz

PC can't post
Only if you buy poor nigger tier b450/x470. Ayyyymd fags are fucking poor.

Carson Sanders
Carson Sanders

My 7700k destroys your zen 1 in any games though.

Hunter Parker
Hunter Parker

Disregard I suck cocks, didn't notice you said 3600c16.
Buy it.

Angel Gonzalez
Angel Gonzalez

Super

Nathaniel Smith
Nathaniel Smith

can't post
Oh. News to me.

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Jonathan Gray
Jonathan Gray

3.175Ghz at 1.4v
Oh no no no

Benjamin Kelly
Benjamin Kelly

Mobo choice for Ryzen 5/7 : MSI b450m Mortar ( You can update bios easily with flash youtube.com/watch?v=iTkXunUAriE ) ( if going for R9 just get x570 )

CPU cooling is waste of money unless you want to go for quiet build

CPU choice: R3600 or R3700x
Storage: 1tb m.2 nvme - 100$ ( P1 recommended has big warranty )

GPU: Entry - Vega 56 Sapphire or Reddevil
Else - RX5700XT or 2070 Super

Case - fractal design define c mini ( best if using rx5700xt for its closed design and low noise levels ) meshify or whatever else u like for cards with actual cooling

Ram - recommending to go budget and buy Viper 3733, very cheap very fast, always go for bdie if on sale

PSU - Seasonic has highest quality capacitors and most likely to last 15 years

Bentley Miller
Bentley Miller

what is a low current load
Please, don't pretend you know anything about how CPUs work. You'll only embarrass yourself.

Anthony Mitchell
Anthony Mitchell

It's a tough question, and I'm not the best to tell you, having never used freesync or an AMD GPU, but from what I know it sounds like a straightforward win for the monitor.
I'd probably choose the monitor, because the XT5700 will do that better to a greater extent over whatever you have now than a 3600+5700xt will do 1080p better than a 2600+5700xt
A 1440p freesync monitor will serve AMD GPUs for a long time. They basically won't become "obsolete" until mid-tier AMD GPUs and mid-tier freesync monitors are running 4K, which is a decade down the pipeline at least. And even then they'll still be of use if they still run. A 3600 will be where the 2600 is now in a few years.

poor man's g skill
and that's a good thing
poor man's corsair
corsair is the poor man's corsair
ballistix (e die) is the smart poor man's corsair

Very bad. Get a freesync monitor for an AMD GPU.
If you want a top-tier IPS freesync get something like an Aorus AD27QD, or wait for the LG 27gl850 with the new panel technology.

Grayson Lopez
Grayson Lopez

Your CPU is about to blow up on you my dude.

Levi Thompson
Levi Thompson

Powercolor RX 590 for 205€ or RX 5700 for 389€
Still at 1080p
Is vega 56/64 even worth considering?

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

it's fine to use 1.4v when idle
Seek help

Isaiah Morgan
Isaiah Morgan

On Newegg there are several reviews for the red dragon that feature complaints about coil whine. It seems like a common problem on the Sapphire Pulse as well, which gets recommended a lot despite that. ...

Wyatt Young
Wyatt Young

Anyone tried using remote desktop for work? how viable is it in the long run, assuming the internet connection is good. are constant lags and freezes pretty much guaranteed anyway? I work with some resource-demanding soft my pretty powerful laptop is barely able run, but I have to come by the office at least once or twice a week, so I figured that instead of paying a fortune for a new laptop, I'd buy a desktop instead and just use remote desktop

Bentley Taylor
Bentley Taylor

Does this make you feel better?

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Charles Price
Charles Price

How do I find Samsung B Die ram for this motherboard?

pcpartpicker.com/product/Pq97YJ/asrock-fatal1ty-b450-gaming-k4-atx-am4-motherboard-b450-gaming-k4

I was looking for 3200 cl14 or cl16 and most of the ones for sale seem to be a gamble between samsung or hynix.

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Ayden Russell
Ayden Russell

Wait for next month before considering 5700. Remodels come out.

Isaiah Morris
Isaiah Morris

whats wrong about cpu using 1.4 idle?

John Sullivan
John Sullivan

5700xt

Joshua Thomas
Joshua Thomas

Prove it isn't.
You can't, because you have absolutely no idea how it works, or how it literally changes in 1ms intervals depending on what the CPU is doing. It even spikes to 1.5v, which is completely fine and within design spec.

Jace Gray
Jace Gray

too much of a brainlet to externally flash a spi bios
Imagine being this useless.

Juan Diaz
Juan Diaz

3200/14 is basically guaranteed to be B-die
if you're using a 3000 series on that mobo you'd be fine with E-die

Jacob Miller
Jacob Miller

People keep posting about it here and there, but are there any actual reviews/benchmarks of an Accelero on a 5700XT?

Ayden Stewart
Ayden Stewart

If it is sold as 3200c14, it is B-Die. No ifs or buts.

Jacob Peterson
Jacob Peterson

I could sell my 1080 for 330 at least or so
wat where is this?
In the US they go for like <$250.
If you can sell your 1080 for nearly what a 5700 costs, it's a no brainer.

stop trolling and shitting up /pcbg/ with these retarded posts.

5700 xt with arctic accelero is the obvious choice. Cooler, quieter, same/better performance, and cheaper.
pcpartpicker.com/list/KV2B8Y
I'd get a less retardedly huge case. It's an otherwise ideal build.
If you really need a 5.25" drive, as opposed to getting a slim blu-ray player, there are still options under 45 liters. 60 liter cases are incredibly pointless for a gaming desktop.
Can also consider amazon.com/RIOTORO-Compartment-Support-Dedicated-CR1080/dp/B01D205IXS Fractal Focus G

Consider that the 5700 uses ~70% of the electricity for double the performance.
vega 56 worth considering
Depends on price. the red dragon or pulse for under 300 euro is a good deal. It also uses the same or less power as the 590 for a lot more performance.

Stop posting this garbage. Those models are going to cost more. The blower is fine on a card that's as low power as the 5700. Noise levels are comparable to the 2060 FE that people had no problems recommending.

Nolan Butler
Nolan Butler

R3600 cant get pas 1.38 that's how its set in bios i have no idea what you're on about

Landon Robinson
Landon Robinson

Show us voltage under load to laugh

Jace Sanders
Jace Sanders

and that's a good thing
how so?

Charles White
Charles White

5700/xt is cool and quiet
kek

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Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

ahahahaha

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Anthony Bailey
Anthony Bailey

lol hilarious
such unsafe voltage
it's almost like the firmware AMD made knows better than you or something

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Luke Lewis
Luke Lewis

Explain this then

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Bentley Stewart
Bentley Stewart

Not everyone can afford g skill b-die

Evan Hill
Evan Hill

mobo B450M + ryzen 3700x

its good or bad?

Owen Brown
Owen Brown

I have a 4670k and a 1080p 144hz monitor (and a 1080 60 one for youtube etc if that matters) Im planning on getting a 5700XT when aftermarket models with non shit thermals release. Is this too overkill? should I get a new monitor, maybe 1440p 144hz? will the CPU be too much of a bottleneck for gaming? consider that I'm on a budget so I would rather not get both a monitor and a CPU

Gabriel Fisher
Gabriel Fisher

5700 xt with arctic accelero is the obvious choice. Cooler, quieter, same/better performance, and cheaper.
same/better performance
Citation needed. According to gamersnexus:

youtube.com/watch?v=-SAWtKEIYbw

with current drivers 5700 XT is competing against 2070 and 2060 Super while being 10-20% behind 2070S and running hotter and louder than a jet engine.
muh arctic accelero
Again no actual evidence or tests confirming that you're not fucking him over by recommending something that hasn't even been tested yet just to trick another tech illiterate idiot (no offense) into buying your favorite brand.

Isaac Brooks
Isaac Brooks

big cringe
my athlon ran on 1.5 for 12 years

Joshua Gutierrez
Joshua Gutierrez

I'd probably choose the monitor, because the XT5700 will do that better to a greater extent over whatever you have now than a 3600+5700xt will do 1080p better than a 2600+5700xt
ok
thanks for the insights

Andrew Martinez
Andrew Martinez

okay thanks. would this one be good?

amazon.com/dp/B0134EW7G8/

Alexander Richardson
Alexander Richardson

CPU bottlenecks stop being a problem at 1440p because you reach the GPU bottleneck first at that demanding resolution. 5700xt is a bit overkill for 1080p too. 1440p 144hz monitor would be better but it seems like a nightmare to buy since there are many problems with them and you have to play a panel lottery, just hoping you get one that doesn't have a fucked up panel (IPS this is)

Jace Campbell
Jace Campbell

m-itx

cringe

Angel Perry
Angel Perry

That's nice, but not at all relevant.

Carter Watson
Carter Watson

he referred to 5700XT with an aftermarket cooler and those tests were performed with the blower version though

Levi Wood
Levi Wood

If you want to spend your time playing games without issues buy Nvidia for the premium. If you want to spend your time on Jow Forums convincing others that no - proving Nvidia owners on an anonymous forum that your AMD gpu is in fact better isn't a sign of buyers remorse then buy the blower 5700 xt with some plastic case cooling on top of it.

Kayden Garcia
Kayden Garcia

Are Noiseblocker fans any good? I can get a bunch of 1200RPM 140mm fans for next to nothing.

Kevin Ross
Kevin Ross

are the 2070 cards good or I must buy the super variant

Gabriel Anderson
Gabriel Anderson

amazon.com/Ballistix-PC4-28800-288-Pin-Gaming-Memory/dp/B07NPKTRS1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2QGXV3BMPYO34
amazon.com/G-SKILL-Flare-288-Pin-Memory-F4-3200C14D-16GFX/dp/B06XFT7DF9/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=flare x&qid=1563188446&s=electronics&sr=1-3
compared to his 3600MHz non b die he's missing a lot

Julian Ward
Julian Ward

Buy a 5700xt

Adam Walker
Adam Walker

No problem, you did most of the work by asking the right question
the simple answer to "does 2600 bottleneck a 5700xt" is yes, but the answer to whether it's a better use of money to jump to 1440p or to Ryzen 3000 is a more informative one
a lot of variables go into choosing the right purchases for the right context

That's 3000/15, not 3200/14.
If you're in the market for something of that budget get the Crucial Ballistix 3200/16
Same price and same nominal speed and timings, but reputation is that it's a better overclocker on Ryzen. whether that's true or not won't matter if it does at least what it's advertised to
There is also the off chance that new RAM for Ryzen will be released around the beginning of August that might be cheaper, but it's unlikely to actually be cheaper, and not of huge relevance to you because afaik the older motherboard imposes the limits of 3433mhz and a good overclocker 3200/16 will do that

William Murphy
William Murphy

Buy a 2070S

Nathan Smith
Nathan Smith

they're the same
go 5700xt

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Adrian Campbell
Adrian Campbell

What is he "missing"? The whole point of B-die is that it's the best overclocker, but B-die at a lower factory setting isn't automatically superior to E-die with a higher factory setting. It's the practical result that matters.
I don't believe that a result of 3200/14 beats 3600/16 either
3600/16 overclocking to tighten the timings will probably beat 3200/14, although I admit I haven't seen enough to say whether 3200/14 overclocked would beat 3600/16 overclocked

Austin Cruz
Austin Cruz

have sex

Isaac Butler
Isaac Butler

t.

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Daniel James
Daniel James

awesome, thanks bro

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Jayden Ward
Jayden Ward

wich one

Samuel Jackson
Samuel Jackson

2070S

Luke Cooper
Luke Cooper

If you have amazon prime the Ballistix 3600/16 is cheaper than the 3200/14 right now.
the older motherboard imposes the limits of 3433mhz
That's just what they were validated at when they were released. Your memory speed is dependent on your CPU and the 400-series boards have no issues running 3600+ with Zen2.

Michael Morris
Michael Morris

Wait for the 5700XT third party variants, or just get a 2070 super

John Evans
John Evans

If you have amazon prime the Ballistix 3600/16 is cheaper than the 3200/14 right now.
Yeah, this user looking for good ram ought to jump at that. It's basically the best you can get that isn't B-die, whether or not it's actually better than the lower grade 3200/14 B-die. (Which I suspect it is).
That's just what they were validated at when they were released. Your memory speed is dependent on your CPU and the 400-series boards have no issues running 3600+ with Zen2.
That's good to hear. I wasn't clear because it wasn't relevant to me so I didn't do the research.

Lucas Lewis
Lucas Lewis

wait mid august 5700xt AIB will blow the 2070s out of the water

Luke Bell
Luke Bell

I need a hard drive to back up a lot of video content. No room for a drive in my current pc but I do have a free sata port. Should I buy an external hard drive or a regular hard drive? Just going to sit in a drawer desu.

Elijah Young
Elijah Young

External if there's no room. I mean, what else do you want?
Only reason to buy a HDD you can't fit into the computer on a permanent basis is if you're intending to save stuff onto it using your current computer and then put it into a larger system/case.

Caleb Barnes
Caleb Barnes

amazon.com/dp/B01MQU6CWU/
is this a good PSU?

Samuel Jenkins
Samuel Jenkins

Well I made the mistake of buying a define S which is a good case but the hard drives are a bitch to put in. Also its a back up drive so i won't always need it.

Carson Taylor
Carson Taylor

Jesus Christ this AMD shill is annoying. How has he not been banned for advertising yet?

Jonathan Jenkins
Jonathan Jenkins

He has. He's ban evading

Jaxson Hernandez
Jaxson Hernandez

Assuming I care about my PC case and it's build quality, what are some recommended brands?
I was planning to get a Lian Li, but damn, those things are expensive.

Landon Sullivan
Landon Sullivan

Would this be a dumb buy and what should one pay for this? I'm guessing I could haggle it down to 1000e or less.

i7 6700k OCd 4.4ghz with Noctua NH-D15
GTX 980 4GB
Intel Z170A Gaming Pro Carbon mobo
16Gb Kingston HyperX DDR4 2666Mhz
480GT 2.5" SSD
Corsair 650w
Asus Xonar Essence
some asus wlan
shitty Antec case

Acer Predator XB270HU 27" 144hz
+ i'd guess about 100e worth of shitty peripherals

Oliver Bennett
Oliver Bennett

should I buy this one or wait to see what newegg has on sale later today?

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Josiah Wilson
Josiah Wilson

i bought that ram a few days ago from amazon for £147, now it's selling for £187. no christmas for bongs.

Charles Reed
Charles Reed

when the fuck is the MSI brapmaxx coming out

Noah Peterson
Noah Peterson

I find it kind of hilarious they were even using 16MB flash chips in 2018

Grayson Flores
Grayson Flores

GTX 980 4GB
4GB in this day and age
yikes
i7 6700k
yikes
Kingston
yikes
rest is ok

Matthew Jackson
Matthew Jackson

check out the good old goy 1600x/2600x/3600x comparision vid for that
youtu.be/ZzJCQkHXQSQ?t=179

Nolan Perez
Nolan Perez

Almost all b450 boards except for asus are using 16mb flash chips.

Daniel Perry
Daniel Perry

1000 euroes for a 5 year old system
just buy as new one dipshit

Christian Barnes
Christian Barnes

Still funny as shit considering how everybody has gaudy and bloated EFI firmware these days.

Aaron Baker
Aaron Baker

you mean you cant rpcs3 emulation with a 3700X+5700XT ?

Lucas Scott
Lucas Scott

can someone tell me if there's anything wrong with the x570 boards? and if yes, is it easy shit to deal with? because a few videos I watched mentioned something about voltage, which doesn't like a reason to avoid buying it. but is there anything else?

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Logan Diaz
Logan Diaz

i probably will, i considered this because new monitors are rather expensive

i'd have to rearrange the insides anyway because its a spaghetti hell

Lincoln Ramirez
Lincoln Ramirez

You can't rpcs3 emulation with a 64c128t HEDT solution.

Nathaniel Davis
Nathaniel Davis

is there anything else?
half of them work

Hudson Cox
Hudson Cox

WWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRRRRR

Dominic Fisher
Dominic Fisher

What is an "overclocking key" as included in be quiet PSUs good for? It says it turns multiple 12v rails into a single rail, but I'm a noob and don't understand what that means.

Chase Davis
Chase Davis

there's nothing wrong with them aside from the questionable fan

Jordan Foster
Jordan Foster

Is this a good deal? Are there any real good deals for prime day? I don't follow monitor prices.
amazon.com/Dell-D2719HGF-Response-Speakers-FreeSync/dp/B07J4SXNQ5/

Gavin Mitchell
Gavin Mitchell

$500 for the PC and I guess $200 for the monitor.
euro pretty much translates 1:1
You could build a much much better new PC for 900 euro. How is that not obvious? Did you not part out what a new PC costs?

Did you reply to the wrong person? I don't see any context there.

Just general BIOS teething issues.

Aiden Diaz
Aiden Diaz

used 1920x1080 for 170
no

Julian Robinson
Julian Robinson

27" 1080p
TN panel
yikes

Jack Garcia
Jack Garcia

LED-lit
holy shit those kikes almost swindled me

Jason Murphy
Jason Murphy

jowforums.com/thread/71882902/technology
thanks to some professional shitposting spammer.
Which one?

Robert Morgan
Robert Morgan

Fuck if I know but whenever I try to post pictures I get an info about uploading files from your IP range being blocked due to abuse. Maybe it's just Hiro trying to force more Jow Forums passes down our throats.

Samuel Smith
Samuel Smith

Maybe it's just Hiro trying to force more Jow Forums passes down our throats.
Not likely.
I am asking you which "shitposter" got you banned.
Cause the only one we have here is the AMD shill.

Joseph White
Joseph White

I'm not banned. I'm just banned from posting pictures. I don't see an ip or anything like that when I try to post like you do when you get IP banned.

Robert Wood
Robert Wood

prime day
want both WD red 8TB internal and 10TB external
they're both on sale but clearly being imported from America meaning that they'll be half broken by the time they reach my fucking house
not to mention the nightmare it would be to return these for a replacement

100% cucked. Guess I'll take the hint and go fuck myself today

Nolan Mitchell
Nolan Mitchell

Trying to find a direct answer for my question about upgrading my second hand build

My mobo is a shit p7h55-m with an old ass Xeon 3440, would a 2600 and a b450m be an easy upgrade to pair with my RX 570

Hunter Williams
Hunter Williams

Curious, usually you just get a 3 day ban or something.

James Mitchell
James Mitchell

garbage drivers and software
that's actually AMD, nvidia is just overpriced, but as far as drivers for games, new and old and performance/per watt, they deliver.

Owen Perez
Owen Perez

The stealth cooler that came with my 3600 should be fine if I don't OC right?

Julian Kelly
Julian Kelly

It's probably somebody else from my IP range doing something naughty like spamming child porn or forced memes through bots so mods ban whole ip ranges or ISP (sky in my case).

Juan Wood
Juan Wood

Been trying to undervolt a vega 56.
But both the frequency settings and the voltage settings are mere suggestions to the GPU, and it still uses whatever it wants.
Any idea how to fix this?
I am tired of the voltage and frequency bouncing around all over the place with a very loose correlation to what I set in wattman.

Mason Thomas
Mason Thomas

German bros explain this shit to me I THOUGHT MINDFACTORY WAS THE PATRICIAN CHOICE, WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT I ORDERED MY CPU OVER A WEEK AGO. FUCK FUCK FUCK.

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Dominic Thomas
Dominic Thomas

ALSO WHY THOSE FUCKING DICK SUCKING FAGGOTS MAKING REVIEWS BEFORE THEY EVEN RECEIVE THE ITEM, WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING?

Dominic Price
Dominic Price

What's the best 1080p monitor for about $100 usd? If anyone knows of a good soundbar for 50, or integrated into a monitor, that'd be great too.

Gavin Nelson
Gavin Nelson

bought a 256GB samsung 2 and a half years ago for this price
do i get it?

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Jason Perez
Jason Perez

garbage drivers and software
Is turning around the facts a new meme?

Jayden Wright
Jayden Wright

coil whine
literally not gpu related but cooling issue.
That's where you are wrong though.
Coil whine doesn't happen because of high temps, but because of high currents through inductors that are designed for better electric properties, rather than quiet operation. Since vegas draw plenty of power, most of them have those kind of inductors as it's cheaper and easier to use them.
I really haven't seen any vega card that completely lacks coil whine as of yet, there is just some that are unbearably loud, and others are in reasonable territory.

Nathaniel Thomas
Nathaniel Thomas

It really is, Pooga should be avoided

Jace Ward
Jace Ward

They would not have included it if it couldn't handle stock operation.

Kayden Miller
Kayden Miller

I've heard there's delays in general in Germany.
I'm not from Germany but I ordered from a different Germany company and haven't heard anything since

Luke Morgan
Luke Morgan

I've heard there's delays in general in Germany.
IS IT BECAUSE OWNING AMD IS A SIGN OF NATIONAL SOCIALISM??? DOES RYZEN 3000 REMIND THEM OF THE HOLOCAUST???

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Grayson Fisher
Grayson Fisher

talk about facts
provides no facts
okay

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Aiden Gray
Aiden Gray

might as well steal it at this price point. get it, Nigel.

Camden Myers
Camden Myers

nvidia has good software
that doesn't support dithering, despite "supporting" $2000 local-dimming HDR monitors
that doesn't support having multiple monitors are mismatched refresh rates
that won't even fucking install properly, no matter your attempts to clean install, because of conflicts with windows auto-installing drivers
that won't run lots of older games properly despite how much some retard shills that only being an AMD problem
that tanks your FPS using shadowplay, which also doesn't support h265
that requires heavier driver optimizations for games to run decently, yet often doesn't provide them on game launches, compared to Navi that just werkz whether it has specific game driver optimizations or not
awful try

I'd just use the % scaler for the frequency. Manually enter pstates.

Austin Moore
Austin Moore

Bros the last generation zen prices are getting slashed right now here, 3600 is $200 while the 2600 is reaching $120, should I just get that instead? My current PC is old as shit.

Joshua Mitchell
Joshua Mitchell

I was planning to build a PC during the Prime Day deals but it seems like there are a lot of issues with the Ryzen 3000 series processors (particularly with motherboard compatibility). Should I just wait a few months?

Charles Green
Charles Green

based hifumin poster

Jayden Gutierrez
Jayden Gutierrez

Not really. It's fairly clear where they stand at the minute.
If you want better compatibility it's only older 4XX boards with smaller BIOS storage space that are a concern, and those are really only worth getting for budget builds.

Cameron Rodriguez
Cameron Rodriguez

is B die ram a meme or worth the money for ryzen 2600/3600 cpu?
also if given the choice
should i go B-die 3200Mhz 2x8 or non B-die 3600MHz?
for gaymen purposes

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Adrian Reyes
Adrian Reyes

imagine being a g*rmanoid lol

Adrian Lopez
Adrian Lopez

Depends if you want absolute peak performance or just good enough.
Really isn't much difference unless you're going full autism over it.

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Easton Morgan
Easton Morgan

What difference in performance is there between an 860 EVO sata and a 970 EVO nvme?

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Carter Hill
Carter Hill

If you're upgrading from 4c/4 or even older 4c/8t, even the 2600 is a massive upgrade. May as well just save the money.

No reason not to now if it fits your budget for what you want.
There are some BIOS issues, but it still works now and will just work better in the future.

For 2600, definitely when it's only ~$40 more as you get a 10-20% perf increase, for 3600 less so, no.

Prime has 3600CL16 on sale for $110 which is pretty worth it imo.

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Ryan Jones
Ryan Jones

I'd just use the % scaler for the frequency. Manually enter pstates.
I did manually enter p states, both frequency and voltage.
yet as I said, the vega just ignores what I stated both in frequency and voltage, it bounces around how it pleases.
It really feels like the settings I put are "suggestions" rather than rules to follow.
How do I change this, I want to gpu to put out exact frequency I tell it to rather than bounce around this value +-50mhz
Similar story with voltage.

How the fuck am I supposed to undervolt well, if I can't even find a stable limit because it just does what ever it wants to anyway.

Brayden Wood
Brayden Wood

should i go B-die 3200Mhz 2x8 or non B-die 3600MHz?
I reckon the difference is minimal because 3200/14 is equivalent per AMD's publicity to 3600/16. The real question is which will give better results, it's not a question of inherent superiority of lower clock B-die to even higher clocked E-die.
3200/14 will likely get to 3600mhz easily, but will the timings be better on it than on an E-die that's 3600 by default lowering its timings?

Either way I expect the performance difference to be far smaller than the current price difference, especially with this amazon sale people are talking about, so there's that to consider in E-die's favour at the minute.
I expect the new B-die coming out at the end of the month to make price less of an issue, however.

Jayden Garcia
Jayden Garcia

alot faster sequential writes and reads slightly higher random qd1 reads
aka mostly just faster writing fuck hueg or reading fuck hueg files all in one go not lots smaller files

Tyler Foster
Tyler Foster

how big is the gap between 3200 cl 16 and 3200 cl 4 Bdie?

Aaron Barnes
Aaron Barnes

nvidia has good software
Yeah, both old and new games work with no issues, can't say the same for amd.

Christopher Powell
Christopher Powell

Order directly from amd. I ordered mine last thursday and got it delivered on friday.

Hudson Gray
Hudson Gray

zen 2 is a mess and intel is house fire

nvidia game works proprietary cpus when?

Colton King
Colton King

In gaming, windows boot times, and regular desktop usage?
No difference.

both frequency and voltage.
So you didn't do what I said. k.

Thomas Martinez
Thomas Martinez

Well you can see the difference between 3000c16 and 3200c14 is 1.9%, so less than that.

Lincoln Miller
Lincoln Miller

Talks about fact eg nvidia drivers being worse
Provides no facts
Why are weebs so braindead?
Can you support your claims with facts, up to date ones and not 2015 forum entries long fixed?

Bentley Peterson
Bentley Peterson

ok
thanks

Brandon Thompson
Brandon Thompson

what cpu should i pair with 5700? thinking of 3600X

Austin Clark
Austin Clark

mem scaling on 3000s seems to be less critical from the large cache it seems? havent seen enough tests just one

Josiah Howard
Josiah Howard

based

Elijah Walker
Elijah Walker

3600 and a 5700 xt rather better

Robert Thomas
Robert Thomas

It's fine if you don't care about noise.

Lucas Adams
Lucas Adams

1440p? 2600 is fine and is on sale for $120.
1080p? 3600 obviously.

Correct.
3600, or at least 3466, matters for the faster FCLK, but memory latency matters far far less with the big cache. Also since the IMC is so much better with Zen2, you can likely get a 3200CL16 kit running at 3200CL16.

Tyler Hall
Tyler Hall

For 2600, definitely when it's only ~$40 more as you get a 10-20% perf increase
will keep an eye out
thanks
I expect the new B-die coming out at the end of the month to make price less of an issue
quick run down on that? are you talking 3600MHz B die?

Lucas Nguyen
Lucas Nguyen

Some Swedish site did it too and found the same results, very minimal scaling compared to 1st and 2nd gen.

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John Collins
John Collins

youtu.be/itcd9H2ED4k
Why do non whites loves AMD so much?

Justin Perry
Justin Perry

Trident Z Neo is coming out and it seems to be 3600mhz B die
I didn't bother waiting and just got the currently extant Trident Z 3600 because it looks to be basically the same

Parker Butler
Parker Butler

why do whites love giving their money to jews so much?

Adrian Morales
Adrian Morales

Reminder: DO NOT IMPULSE BUY ANYTHING ON PRIME DAY
THE DEALS ARE ALL FAKE AND ALL THE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT THE (((GREAT DEALS))) ARE AMAZON SHILLS

Ayden Long
Ayden Long

Guys is this memory decent with the Ryzen 3600?

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 DRAM 3200MHz C16 Desktop Memory Kit - Black (CMK16GX4M2B3200C16)
amazon.com/gp/product/B0143UM4TC

Blake Phillips
Blake Phillips

Amazon has great return policy, so what's the risk if you see a good price?

Lucas Perry
Lucas Perry

Buy what? There's literally nothing.

Dominic Cooper
Dominic Cooper

only deal I could find is on samsung evo 860, everything else is either shit or chink shit which I can get cheaper on aliexpress.

Aiden Williams
Aiden Williams

How do I nutt inside hoes like that? They're so wholesome looking.

Cooper Long
Cooper Long

If you have prime get the Ballistix Elite 16GB Kit instead
it's the prime deal of the day

Brody Richardson
Brody Richardson

ok thanks for the info
btw how does trident z compares to ripjaws V if same speed same latency

Chase Barnes
Chase Barnes

So should I wait for AIBs or buy the reference 5700 XT and slap Arctic Accelero on it? I keep hearing that the reference + Arctic Accelero will be cheaper and better performing than most AIB, but I somewhat doubt it. Is the cooling the only difference between the reference and AIB cards? would I be giving up anything else going that route?

Jayden Hill
Jayden Hill

brainlet here, if hwinfo says my dual channel 3200 memory clock is 1600, that means it's running at 3200, right?

Adrian James
Adrian James

Arctic Accelero cooler is better than any AIB's cooler on the 2070S or that there will be on the AIB 5700XT.
If you want THE BEST, then 5700XT now with arctic accelero.

AIB cards are likely going to be $50 more. That's what Arctic Accelero costs.

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Michael Miller
Michael Miller

$105 3600 B-Die
Nice.

Luke Sanchez
Luke Sanchez

D O U B L E
D A T A
R A T E

Levi Reed
Levi Reed

alternate.de
available in stock after 11 days
no

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Joshua Bell
Joshua Bell

It's not B-die

Xavier Baker
Xavier Baker

both frequency and voltage.
So you didn't do what I said. k.
?

Jacob Watson
Jacob Watson

I want to upgrade but man I hate the PC monitor market these days
I don't want my monitor to look like cringy shit with like a turbine for legs or edgy wings
Also what the fuck am I going to do with 160Hz if I can barely afford stable 60 fps in all my games

Andrew Brown
Andrew Brown

Ballistix elite is. I had the 3466 version.

Jaxon Young
Jaxon Young

thanks. Is picking Xtreme IV worth extra price over Xtreme III or Twin Turbo if I don't intend to overclock?

Andrew Lee
Andrew Lee

How do I activate windows? Or can I just keep windows unactivated forever?

Jacob Cox
Jacob Cox

Seriously, could someone give me a source on this data loss meme? All I'm getting through Google is people losing wattman profiles and game settings.

David Cook
David Cook

KMS_VL_ALL

Ian Russell
Ian Russell

Ballistix elite is.
Some are, not all.

For Ryzen 3000, it doesn't really matter anyway.
3600mhz cl16 is going to be great, b-die or not.

Joseph Cook
Joseph Cook

What's the best motherboard for a Ryzen 5 3600 that either supports it out the box or can be flashed without needing an old CPU?

Owen Watson
Owen Watson

They stopped making bdie. Unless AMZN is holding on to old stock it's likely micron e-die like all of this year's crucial Ram products.

Samuel Carter
Samuel Carter

b450 tomahawk

Benjamin Rodriguez
Benjamin Rodriguez

thermaltake
Mixed, stick with Seasonic or EVGA

Lucas Clark
Lucas Clark

amd.com/de/where-to-buy/promotions2
But it's sold out at the moment.

Nolan Smith
Nolan Smith

Ballistix Elite is relatively old, made long before micron could do 3000+ at low latency. There's a ton of stock of B-Die left, even if it is EOL. G.skill are just about to launch a new range of kits using it.

Kayden Bailey
Kayden Bailey

I said to just use the % scaler for frequency. Only manually enter voltages.

Get VESA compatible and a legitimate stand/arm for it.

Isn't the only difference the backplate between the IV and III? The backplate which won't even fit with some coolers. Afaik you can still retain the 5700XT backplate, as well.
So no, I'd get the III, twin, or even the mono if your case fits it (120mm fan).

The III cooled my 7970 at a 350W overclock, silently, despite its 300W rating so really I'd say that's ridiculously excessive for the ~200W 5700XT. I'd personally go the mono, but I don't think my case is wide enough to fit it.

Leo Gonzalez
Leo Gonzalez

Da jooz are at fault I'm a balding basement dweller
Have sex, hit the gym and get a job

Landon Perry
Landon Perry

Someone post the chart.

Noah Foster
Noah Foster

it was never in stock, i ordered it day 1 soon after the purchase button worked.
also checked.

Kevin Rodriguez
Kevin Rodriguez

I said to just use the % scaler for frequency. Only manually enter voltages.
And I did that, and it changed nothing?
How hard is that to understand.
Both % scaler and manual produce similar results, that is the vega frequency bounces around +-50mhz and never stays rock solid in Any frequency no matter the voltage or temps.

Jacob Brown
Jacob Brown

hardwareluxx.de/community/f13/crucial-ballistix-elite-ddr4-3600-cl16-18-18-ble2k8g4d36beeak-im-kurztest-1229639.html

Thomas Sullivan
Thomas Sullivan

Not sure, but I think ripjaws is the less prestigious branding of the same company, so it will probably function to the same advertised standard but overclock less, if there is actually any difference besides appearance
same output, same results
only reason to choose one ram over another is if you know the ram has poor compativility with a cpu (not the case in ryzen 3000), or for the likely overclocking potential

Nolan Ramirez
Nolan Ramirez

Huh, guess they did do a new revision of it then. From 2016 until a few months ago they were only B-Die, or samsung E-Die on 3000 or below kits for the Elite models.

Luis Morris
Luis Morris

»Broo you gotta buy AMD, it’s much cheaper»
The Mobos to use it costs much more, making it more expensive than Intel builds

I fucking hate you guys

Cameron Perez
Cameron Perez

How does one start to learn how to OC RAM?
If it helps I have this kit: F4-3200C14D-16GTZSK

Austin Flores
Austin Flores

I don't speak destroyer of europe

Landon Jackson
Landon Jackson

Take Prime Day deal for an RX 590 today, upgrade to RDNA later
Or
Stick it out for 5700 XT partner cards and pay early adopter tax

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Noah Richardson
Noah Richardson

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Nicholas Sullivan
Nicholas Sullivan

is the LG 34GL750-B monitor good for gaming? Shits on sale for prime day. How are ultrawide monitors? I've heard people say that there are issues sometimes with games not supporting their resolution?

Jace Jenkins
Jace Jenkins

techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_Memory_Tweaking_Overclocking_Guide/

Matthew Lewis
Matthew Lewis

And requires more expensive fast ram kits.

Levi Ortiz
Levi Ortiz

There are people using zen2 on 300 series boards without problem.

Jose Young
Jose Young

Micron

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Jaxon Miller
Jaxon Miller

So it's E-die.

Justin Sullivan
Justin Sullivan

I was able to get an i7-9700k and RTX 2080 build for cheaper than the recommended 2060s and 3700x build on logical increments
Bandwagoners lose as always, do your own research, lads

Kevin Jenkins
Kevin Jenkins

Better and cheaper than Hynix trash.

Cameron Ward
Cameron Ward

Still worse than Samsung

Jonathan Richardson
Jonathan Richardson

which was never the point of debate you retard

Nathan Morgan
Nathan Morgan

Is the Crucial P1 any good?
New to using M.2 SSD's, I'll probably use it for dual booting Linux or a game drive

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Matthew Foster
Matthew Foster

wrong thread but you guys are the only ones I care about. looks like amazon made a pricing error.

amazon.com/dp/B07L5HD4DH/?tag=slicinc-20&ascsubtag=f6e6add0a70211e986c6264570c22ffb0INT

add to cart and proceed to checkout. it should be roughly $12-13 when time to pay. 3rd gen firestick and amazon echo. better hurry before they fix.

Evan Nelson
Evan Nelson

allowing the amazon botnet into your house
ISHYGDDT

James Garcia
James Garcia

absolute brainlet here, does lowering the resolution in a game increase the processing power needed? wtf

Adrian Anderson
Adrian Anderson

higher resolution = gpu does more work
lower resolution = cpu does more work
the sevarity of this discrepancy depends on the configuration; i.e pairing a 2080ti with a pentium 4

Ayden Gonzalez
Ayden Gonzalez

It increases your framerate and puts more pressure on the CPU than the graphics card

David Bailey
David Bailey

At lower resolutions and graphics settings, the CPU is usually the bottleneck that determines how fast the game can run. As you raise the resolution and graphics settings, the game demands more and more from the GPU until eventually the GPU becomes the bottleneck.

Levi Cook
Levi Cook

That model holds the world record for memory overclocking, so it can't be that bad.
tomshardware.com/news/ddr4-memory-overclocking-world-record-ram-micron,39358.html

Cameron Barnes
Cameron Barnes

Doesn't seem like it to me.
Also this

A lower resolution means the graphics card aka GPU needs to do less work to create one frame, meaning it can generate more frames. More frames means more work for the CPU to do to be able to handle all the potential frames.
That's why stronger CPUs usually mean more frame increases at lower resolution than at higher resolution, where the GPU is the one which more often is the weakest link.

Chase Russell
Chase Russell

I LOVE ultrawide. So far every game I've played can be patched to play at my 2560x1080, even old games, but that has required user made patches. It's not much hassle when you have resources like the wsgf website

Hunter Rodriguez
Hunter Rodriguez

Apparently the controller or the flash in those aren't great, they slow down a lot with age, something along those lines. I came very close to buying one but ended up with a Sabrent Rocket instead, similarly priced (here in the uk) but much higher performance

Tyler Phillips
Tyler Phillips

Crucial is fine.
Not sure if that deal is worth it because I'm not familiar with aussie bux exhange rates.

Austin Perry
Austin Perry

yes i meant the xt

are you saying 1080p is more demanding that 1440p

Evan Bailey
Evan Bailey

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Elijah Clark
Elijah Clark

wtf are you doing

Mason Bell
Mason Bell

Nice try Incel

Nolan Perez
Nolan Perez

Is there any reason to not buy the Samsung C27HG70 over Aorus AD27QD ? 150$ difference.

Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross

OH NONONONO

Jose Jenkins
Jose Jenkins

curved
VA
those are two obvious ones

Brody Perez
Brody Perez

this
they're completely different monitor types

Gabriel Allen
Gabriel Allen

reminder that intcels are from reddit and don't know how to use Jow Forums

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Austin Jones
Austin Jones

Thinking of returning the vega 56 i got for $299 for the radeon 5700. I have until the 21st to ship it back to amzn, would that be in time for AIB cards to start appearing?

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Carson Wright
Carson Wright

AIBs show up mid-late august

Camden Wood
Camden Wood

21st of July? no
do amazon allow you to use the product before returning it?

Parker Young
Parker Young

I was thinking about getting a mini itx build for personal reasons. When I look into a GPU, would a blower model have better cooling when the mini itx case has the GPU fan facing directly into an open spot that was designed for this or would a GPU with the two/ three small fans do a better job of dispensing the heat?

Lincoln Williams
Lincoln Williams

was gonna pull the trigger then saw it was 1080p. Thats a definite deal breaker

Brayden Cook
Brayden Cook

Games don't benefit from NVMe over SATA, data is usually loaded in small chunks well within the capability of a "measly" 600 MB/s SSD. And this is not likely to change in the near future, unless we start seeing midrange video cards with like 64GB of VRAM.

Ian Rodriguez
Ian Rodriguez

lol, you could literally shit them back a box full of dog shit that weighs the same as the card and they will refund you.

Carter Taylor
Carter Taylor

New thread:
jowforums.com/thread/71890814/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71890814/technology

New thread:
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jowforums.com/thread/71890814/technology

New thread:
jowforums.com/thread/71890814/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71890814/technology
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jowforums.com/thread/71890814/technology

Kevin Gonzalez
Kevin Gonzalez

go away intcel

Josiah Brown
Josiah Brown

logical increments
Wow you're retarded; no wonder you think you got a deal when you didn't.

I'd get the SX8200 or Inland Premium instead.

???????
Lower resolution means higher framerates, you mong.

I wouldn't bother waiting for AIB cards for the 5700. It's so low power that the blower is fine.

ultrashort
yikes just get 1920x1200 if you want an increase over 1080p.

I knew that was you, evading your ban again to shit up the threads.

David Lopez
David Lopez

I am overclocking an FX-8350 with a phanteks PH-TC14PE, I have the buss speed at 262.88Mhz & the CPU clock at 4732MHz. The temps are a little high. Are the temps being misreported? Doesn't the CPU throtle/turn off when the temps are too high? How long will the CPU last like this?

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Blake Martin
Blake Martin

Alright, I've got $1,300. What is the BEST laptop I can get on Prime day? Looking at these two right now:

notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Zephyrus-S-GX531GS-i7-8750H-GTX-1070-Max-Q-FHD-Laptop-Review.357366.0.html

notebookcheck.net/MSI-GL73-8SE-i7-8750H-RTX-2060-Laptop-Review.403811.0.html

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Dominic Foster
Dominic Foster

what temps are you getting?

Christopher Cooper
Christopher Cooper

incel caught with his pants down.

Joshua Wright
Joshua Wright

I'm considering a Corsair MP510 vs a Samsung 970 Evo Plus for my OS drive, the Corsair is $40 cheaper, has a better warranty, and the random reads/writes don't seem that far off from each other. They're both TLC. What's the better choice?

Nathan Mitchell
Nathan Mitchell

what temps are you getting?
Below 75 degrees celsius, I think the max temp on FX-8350 is 70C.

Jace Brown
Jace Brown

turn the clocks down then if it's above TjMax
also run HWMonitor to keep track of temps

Isaiah Reyes
Isaiah Reyes

NEW:
jowforums.com/thread/71891238/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71891238/technology
jowforums.com/thread/71891238/technology

Jackson Taylor
Jackson Taylor

It's basically the best you can get that isn't B-die, whether or not it's actually better than the lower grade 3200/14 B-die. (Which I suspect it is).
After B-die the best is probably 3200-3600CL16 dual rank ram.

Josiah Watson
Josiah Watson

Better than Hynix trash.
citation needed

Carson Moore
Carson Moore

I'll probably use it for dual booting Linux
you sure love to waste money

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