/pcbg/ - PC Building General

How come no CPU only packages of the 3rd Gen Ryzen CPUs have been released? Are they just flat out not doing that?

remember fellow Jow Forumsoys
no matter how much pleasure your new rig is giving you, it'll never make up the emptiness of not having a girlfriend/wife

>strain on the chipset
It's only added on the lanes from the CPU. lol.

And ironically it isn't working on ASUS's highest end Strix board, yet works on some cheap shit ones, which illustrates the problem with the inconsistency of boards being able to support it.

Only very slightly worse.
The 212 evo is pretty mediocre.
212 black has a better fan and is more compareable to the freezer 33 and pure rock, though.

the bios issue is an Isolated MSI wtfuckery ,and idiots not wanting to lose the fancy UI with Lucky's dick in HiRes.

Any big brains able to give me the quick rundown on what I should be looking for as far as connectors for a PSU go?
I know I need 8 pin to the CPU, 24 pin to the mobo. I'm grabbing a GPU that needs a 8 and a 6 pin. Will this PSU cover that? Would i just use one of the 6 pins from the SATA/Peripheral slots for the GPU? If I'm using case fans, do they need any of the slots or do they go through the mobo? What the fuck are the peripherals that actually use the PSU?
amazon.com/Corsair-Vengeance-Silver-Semi-Modular-CP-9020176-NA/dp/B07F7X53NC?th=1

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asus pulled a bios for 470 that unlock pcie4 but amd told them to shut it down

Looking at upgrading the 2080 Super to upgrade from my 390. I want 120-144fps in most titles at near Max settings (dof, god rays and the like disabled). Benchmarks I've seen look like 1440p/120+fps isn't feasible in most titles. If that's true then how noticeable is downscaling into 1080p for those games?

Was looking at 1080p/144hz monitor at 27" to upgrade from my 60hz/24" but ppi seems to be an issue.

then why do i keep seeing msi still being shilled everywhere, wouldn't that botched zen 2 bios release make the market shift to asus of asrock?

Because it was shipped a month or two before it was ready. Same with navi.

i think there are cables that have one in and multiple outs to chain power multiple components

Fucking kikes

Is going mATX or smaller worth it? I like the form factor, cases look nicer and are easier to take somewhere. Other than those i can't think of any other pros.

because Buildzoid and GN did a good job shilling MSI B450 boards.

poor ventilation and limited slots

the MSI shills are even REEEEing than the "lowly" asrock boards have better compatibility.

>make full Zen 2 + RDNA build

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A couple 2060s on newegg got some discounts

newegg.com/evga-geforce-rtx-2060-06g-p4-2062-kr/p/N82E16814487434?Item=N82E16814487434

newegg.com/msi-geforce-rtx-2060-rtx-2060-ventus-6g-oc/p/N82E16814137380?Item=N82E16814137380

Which of these is a better value? And which one will keep lower temperatures?

newegg.com/corsair-vengeance-750m-cp-9020176-na-750w/p/N82E16817139244?Item=N82E16817139244
amazon.com/dp/B01MQU6CWU/
which of these should I buy?

evga is gold standard afaik
but go for 5700 xt it's better

So, I last built my PC quite a while ago and it is working fine enough that I don't really want to rebuild the whole damn thing.
What I would like to do, however, is upgrade my hard drive situation to an SSD. Ideally I'd like to do a PCI SSD so I am not still going over SATA.
However, I am not 100% that my old PCI slots are compatible (Slot 1 is my graphics card, so I can't remove that but slot 3 is a wireless card which I no longer need since I have run ethernet directly to my router) or if it can even boot over PCI.
I've included the speccy page of my motherboard, but even just pointing me in the right direction would help a lot.

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boomerfag here
back 10-15 years ago the general consensus was that asus was the gold standard in motherboards
how do they compare nowadays vs msi and asrock

I don't want a pizza oven and I get the impression that the AIBs are going to be $400

the 2080 is overkill If you go down to 1080p. Might as well get a 2060 super.

I’ll only expose my build when it’s done and I can’t get snide remarks about using a 7th gen CPU I paid $300 for in 2019.

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Shit.

slap an arctic accelero on it, cheaper than aib and does the same

Just turn down settings. And don't get a 2080.

Sure.

Because they're the only one who supports CPU-less BIOS updating on $100 boards.
ASUS only supports it on a few like $200+ boards. The other 2 don't support it at all.

SU800 1TB.

I wouldn't get a 2060 even at that price. Just get one of the $230 1660Ti sales instead. It's a bit weaker, but it's also even cheaper and more efficient.
Above the 1660Ti, you should simply be jumping up to the 5700 instead. More worth it.

source my ass

pls respond

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>The other 2
asrock and?

How is Wraith going to be quieter and a 120mm?

With the exception of the prime and TUF series, still better than most just dont take the marketing at face value. Even the good boards tend to be pricier than flagship msi and Asrock.

What went wrong? How did we get here?

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>60fps
>g-sync

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your average gaymer doesn't have bitcoin miner money to spend. if the "mid-range" GPUs weren't 4 and 5 hundred dollars people would be buying them

Avoid ASRock and Gigabyte motherboards.
Avoid Gigabyte GPUs, AVOID ALL BLOWER GPUs.
Avoid Corsair PSUs, get a EVGA G3 or a Seasonic PSU.
Avoid Seagate HDDs, get a WD Blue HDD.
Avoid Kigston SSDs, get an ADATA, Crucial or Samsung SSD.
All RAM brands are the same, only Micron, SKHynx and Samsung make RAM, everyone else just puts gayming heatsinks on them so go for speeds and ratings.

Add this to the OP

Do you expect people to buy new gpus every year?

730 represent

gigabyte is alright

Should I stick with 1080/60 for an RX 590?

You FUCKING SHILL.

HEY there anons

I wanna build a sick pc
my parts:
I just finished my PC 2 days ago

CPU: I7 8086K OC @ 5,2 Ghz with pure silver IHS and Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut Liquid metal Thermal paste

Cpu Cooler: Look at the mobo

GPU: 2xRTX Ti Aorus Waterblock

PSU: BeQuiet DARK POWER PRO 11 1200Watt

Case: I dont know which one fits 4 480mm rads thats why im here i hope you guys know one. maybe the Thermaltake
Level 20 XT E-ATX Cube?

Monitor: AOC Agon 35" 120HZ G-Sync Curved

Headphones: Beyerdynamic DT770 PRO

Soundcard: Omni Blaster sorround 5.1

Mainboard: Gigabyte - Z390 AORUS XTREME WATERFORCE EATX LGA1151 Motherboard

RAM: 32GB Thermaltake water ram

Keyboard: Logitech G910 Orion

Mouse: Logitech G400

Reservoir: PHANTEKS
Glacier R220 Reservoir, RGB LED

Pumps: d5 (does the manufacturer make a difference?

i wanna build 4 independend loops with 4 480mm rads (dont ask me why there has to be 4 480mm rads it HAS to be because im an autist and i have OCD)
Loop 1: CPU and mainboard
Loop 2: GPU1
Loop 3: GPU2
Loop 4: RAM and second (and maybe 3rd) M.2 SSD

yes, i know its kinda expensive but i dont give a fuck.

and yes THIS CPU, because: base clock speed: 4.0 Ghz. Boost clock speed: 5.2Ghz (on all cores yes) i want to play vidya so i dont need more cores.

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you should have added that micron ram is of lower quality compared to hynix and even more so to samsung

Intel makes overclockable 8086s now? Dayum.

>I just finished my PC 2 days ago
forget that line copypaste is shitty

not a shill, I've had an ASRock, Gigabyte, ASUS and MSI motherboard before and I can say that ASRock is definitely the worse out of all the ones I've owned

i understand niggabyte mobo but what's wrong with asrock?
legit question

thermaltake probably, gold and fully modular

AYYMD releasing shit for years and RTX being an useless, overpriced feature.

>reddit spacing
au revoir nigger

nothing really, the 10 series what too good and will probably last another entire gen

The majority of "gamers" use shit like prefab machines and laptops.

>avoid asrock motherboards
i have an asrock h81m
>avoid corsair psus
i have a corsair cx600m

they were from day 1
the 8700k (8086k) series has just way better temps than the 9900k. it has something to do with a thicker layer of silicone shit on the 9900k. And there are no aftermarket IHS for the 9900k

>Avoid Seagate HDDs, get a WD Blue HDD.
lol

Which of these is the best deal?
if the answer is the 580, is it REALLY that much better than the others, because I really don't want to go up to 190 dollars for a gpu. since it is getting paired with a 6600k for light gaming but i'm willing to do so if it's a MAJOR improvement over the others.

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I only expect people not to buy new GPUs every year

remove lucky's dick off your mouth first.

>>reddit spacing
wut?

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>Avoid Seagate and WD HDDs, get a Toshiba HDD.
ftfy

What benchmarks are you looking at where the 2060 super is getting near 144fps? I seeding 90-115 in most titles.

580 ist he best since it has 8gigs of Vram if it had 4 than the 570 would be better.

>SU800 1TB.
Thank you for the reply, but that doesn't fully answer my question.
Are you saying that my Mobo is just too old and I should go with a/that SATA one instead?
Or is PCI just not worth the extra cost for the speed?

>asus was the gold standard i
Not 100% sure about 2019, but I built my last PC like 7 years ago and went with a high end ASUS. I haven't had a full system crash not even once. I don't restart my PC for months at a time and only to install updates. I won't go back to cheap boards not ever.

Nor cheap PSUs - always buy something better than what you need so it never struggles at full load. That in turn means stability and longevity.

Obviously now I'm building a new PC, and I think I'll stick with ASUS. They did very well last time.

There are two Prime deals right now on NVME ssds.
1tb WD black for 179
960gb Corsair MP510 for 120

I kind of want one, are either ok?

I feel so stupid when I see charts like this. Nobody is falling for the overpriced hardware except me.

sapphire is simply THE best

>1650
>1050 ti
>even considering those
youtube.com/watch?v=cvNXm9Qt9dA

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thus

i've seen in some forums that "MSI has better VRM" how true is that?

So I'm a fucking retard when it comes to monitors. I've got an GTX 1070, Ryzen 5 3700x and 16gb of RAM on the way. I need a monitor for this setup. I keep reading shit about how I need freesync or gsync, or I NEED 144hz or 1ms response times. I mostly play cs:go, Squad, total war games and RPGs. I have about £150 to spend. What do I drop it on? What do I look for? It's prime day and loads of monitors are on sale. Any tips? Sorry for the dumb question I'm just a bit overwhelmed.

Speaking of G-Sync
Is there a master list of FreeSync / VESA AdaptiveSync monitors that are G-Sync Compatible?

What's the best place to acquire empty FX boxes? I need them for my collection...

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Ok I'll be "that guy" today. Here's my issue, make fun of me for being retarded:

>Building a new box
>Don't want to buy new hard drives
>W10 currently installed on its own SSD, was a free update from a retail copy of 8.1

I know windows used to be ausitic and bind itself to the chipset. I'm gonna assume I can't just plug my OS SSD into the new box and expect it to boot? I'm gonna have to do some license removal/reinstall fuckery, right? How can I make this non complicated as possible? I don't have the 8.1 box/key anywhere on hand.

Would a 520w Bronze Seasonic PSU be passable for an i7 9700k and 1080ti, or am I risking burning to death?

i'm gonna bios flashback tomorrow my b450 gaming carbon AC, wish me luck, If I brick it I will kill myself livestream

Pick any 1080p 144hz freesync TN
Have sex

are you sure the 1660TI is $230? I only found the regular 1660 for that price on amazon.

>Pascal was great
>RTX is a scam
>AMD hasn't had anything worthwhile to offer in forever until now
Pretty simple

something like this
amazon.co.uk/Acer-KG251QFbmidpx-Monitor-FreeSync-ZeroFrame/dp/B077NSDPVP/ref=sr_1_6?keywords=AOC G2590FX&qid=1563219293&s=gateway&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&sr=8-6

So I picked out everything I wanted this weekend, but when I went to order Sunday the 3700x I noticed it was sold out everywhere. Any rumors on restocking ?

wtf
cheaper Asus mobos can into pcie 4.0 but the top of the line can't.

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as far as I know there were problems with windows even when you changed your gpu, if you're replacing mobo+cpu it probably won't work, you'll have to reinstall.
Shouldn't your serial be in computer system properties?

I have been on windows 10 about a month so I am not all that knowledgeable.

With that said, I just upgraded from Haswell I5 to a Ryzen 2. Same video card. Windows booted right up, reset and its been working perfectly fine.
Its a very fresh install of 10, and ill probably reinstall anyways but it seems to work

>tfw RGB really fucked up signal integrity

Better? No. Spec wise they're the cheapest parts and cheapest designed power arrays on the market BUT they make up for it by having actual cooling solutions to keep them functioning at high power input (more cores, faster OC).
Their flagship boards are comparable to ASUS and their budget line is far better than budget ASUS, because not only does ASUS cheap out on vrms they also dont put real heatsinks on their boards anymore.

Alright so I got my 3800x and associated parts and its running fine on my x570 board, I've only recently started hearing about nvme problems and stuffs, anyone mine giving me a rundown?

I bought Skylake i5 like a dumb fucking zoomer, and now I'm getting tired of waiting with my shitty exploit-ridden corelet CPU even though technically, there isn't much reason to upgrade yet. But with Zen 2 out, it feels like the best possible time to buy a new CPU, and now that the low hanging fruit has likely been mostly picked on Zen and Intel is still roadmapping more +'s onto their 14nm we're probably gonna start stagnating again.

So my question is, first of all, is this likely to be a correct ass easement, or should I just keep waiting and seething?
Secondly, am I correct in that 3600X is best value for money for single core performance, and that 3700+ start costing significantly more for little benefit? Coming from 4c/4t, even 6c/12t is gonna be fucking supercomputing cluster to me, so I don't feel like paying for extra cores.
And finally, what is the practical difference between an X570 and a B450 mobo? I believe PCIe4 is a meme for now. Is there any reason to get the more expensive one? Especially since I'm not going to be OCing some 3800X/3900X or anything remotely like that?

X470 Taichi here, where is the problem?

>i wanna build 4 independend loops with 4 480mm rads (dont ask me why there has to be 4 480mm rads it HAS to be because im an autist and i have OCD)
this is how you know this post is bullshit

3600 has better thermal room for OC out of the whole lineup. The 3600x is $50 for better binning but zero increase in OC headroom and even stock performance.