What's the deal with the i5-9400f? I'm looking to build a new PC and it's about the cheapest i5 you can get, significantly cheaper than anything else within it's range, and seems to boast very good performance as well ahead of Ryzen 5 and i3 processors (especially in videogames, not so much in synthetic benchmarks).
Is the lack of integrated GPU really that bad? Why is this CPU never talked about? Seems to be the best bang for your buck out there
I5-9400f
Nolan Martin
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Ryder Bailey
>shitel
Daniel Richardson
It's one of the few Intcel CPUs to get destroyed by Zen 2 for gayming (and anally ravaged for multi-thread performance)
Jack Long
Eh I'm not from Brazil or Poland or something I'm not too keen on AMD
Camden Taylor
made irrelevant by price drops in Zen+ CPUs and the 3600.
Hunter Richardson
>and the 3600.
Do you recon the Ryzen 5 3600 will be good for an average user? It looks promising.
Jeremiah Watson
This, it made a strong stance against Zen+ but ultimately got REKT by zen 2.
It destroys the i5-9400F in multi-core which will steadily become more important as time goes on (see pic related).
Jordan Rogers
it's the best budget CPU at the moment. unless you need a lot of threads then a cheap 8 core zen/zen+ could be better.
Eli Richardson
So you're from India, that explains everything.
Tyler Scott
NOPE, because of the 15% IPC uplift the 3600 actually has similar multi-core performance than say a 1700 or even a 2700.
Oliver Gomez
Chase Price
>AMDspot
Dominic Price
It's the reality of things though, why do you think intel rushed coffinlake so hard that they left kabylake users to eat dust? Their i7-7700K was getting CURB STOMPED by a lowly 1700.
Carter Phillips
Ok motherfucker.
Jaxson Ortiz
you have zen 2 and all that gamer cache to get 500+ frames on csgo best value is still a ryzen 2700 for $150
Jaxon Anderson
all right, son
Charles Roberts
He's actually right on that one tho. At least compared to zen 1.
Bentley Morgan
>synthetic benches
>forgetting that the 3600 is $200 and you can get a zen 8 core CPU for pennies
Hunter Clark
I'll save you both all the pointless spamming and just post the summary. Things we can all vehemently agree here on:
1.) Beside all the extremely massively overrated dumb boomer games from the 90s most games benefit from higher multi-core performance.
2.) In this particular test the i7-8700K had 1GHz HIGHER clock speed advantage which SHOULD have yielded 20% better average FPS.
3.) It DID NOT even at an intel approved (tm) 1080p resolution from the 2000s, the average frame rate advantage with the i7-8700K was less than 10%
4.) While the i7-8700K technically won it required a very high end Z motherboard with like 40 phases and VRMs and a 360MM custom AIO to keep stable at 5 GHz.
Parker Collins
my 3600 got 3700 exactly just boosting at default out of the box (d14 tho). not bad for a cheapy 180 quid cpu.
Hudson Hill
It's one of the most accurate single and multi-core performance benches readily available out there right now. Would have you preferred I posted gookbench or pissmark scores instead?
Also of course you can get a 1700 for like $150 or less in some places but it's going to have massively lower single threaded performance (more than 15% in this case). It's a hard choice to make desu.
Henry Murphy
man you talk too much shit
Mason Nguyen
What RAM speed and latency was used for this particular benchmark? I've seen this particular benchmark being posted several times and I noticed it doesn't match the other benchmarks posted.
Anthony Hernandez
>AMDspot
Caleb Barnes
>Linus Shill Tips
Dylan Foster
look for normal users the 3600 is obviously the best budget CPU right now, but IF you NEED more threads the 1700/X(and maybe the 2700) is a steal right now. that was my point.
Angel Brown
The i5 has shit multicore performance and has no upgrade path, not to mention new consoles sporting 8-core Ryzen CPUs are coming out next year so you'll see your 6-core start struggling soon enough.
Jacob Jenkins
So are you going to tell us what RAM speed and latency was used in the test you posted or not? It's a very simple request.
Carson Brooks
>le upgrade path meme
People don't buy CPUs every year.
Jaxson Peterson
Whatever RAM speed and latency was used, I'm sure it can't make up for a 150% deficit in 1% minimums.
Evan Edwards
Okay then I'm going to assume some shitty $50 2400Mhz CL17 kit was used and consider your benchmark invalidated. Shame the creator of linux can't run a simple and extremely basic gaming benchmark.
Jeremiah Bailey
Not even going to bother responding to this jibber shit. Fucking stock holders shitting up the board with their garbage.
Asher Torres
cope harder, rabid, seething, disillusioned, intard
Henry Scott
>People don't buy CPUs every year.
No, but with AMD I can swap the 1600 I bought in 2017 with a 3700X or 3900X at the least in a few years for pennies.
Carson Reyes
You can have the thread to yourself m8. Have fun spamming GPU bottlenecked benchmarks from AMDspot with no 1% mins and intel running at 3,6 GHz and then responding to yourself saying intel btfo.
out
Anthony Perry
awww we broke him
Brandon Perry
noOoOooooOooOOoo
Aaron Cruz
Christian Johnson
>unlocked intel cpu
Don't even bother with intel unless you are overclocking.
Nicholas Green
>gpu bottleneck
Yeah, something 99% of people are going to be. Ultra high end gpus are a niche market. Most people are using a gtx 1060 or weaker.
Robert Nguyen
Jow Forums is an amd shill board
Isaac Turner
I know what you mean bro. If only there was some sort of way to like, lower your graphics settings or something. Imagine if you could do that.
Anthony Stewart
>motherfucker
Literally Indian speak. Fucking loo.
Caleb Cruz
have you tried undervolting yet?
Dylan Kelly
just buy whatever you want bro :^)
Xavier Johnson
The i5 8400 was the most based budget gaming cpu. No other cpu has ever released at 189 usd and performed so well in gaymens
Austin Nelson
Don't come to Jow Forums if you genuinely want unbiased responses, this board is mostly third world /v/edditors telling you to buy whichever brand they can afford.
Kayden Sanchez
except the 3600 whoops it's fucking ass
David King
The 8400 release almost 2years lmao ive had it this entire time.
Luke Lewis
This especially in multi-core
Also:
>6 threads
lmao
Michael Reyes
I have to admit the 3600 scores slightly better in most Winzip benchmarks.
Jackson Garcia
8400 gets CURB STOMPED in multi-core Enjoy playing CS:GO at 240p on your 2080ti I guess.
Lucas Howard
chill bro, go unzip some files with your AMD cpu you'll feel better
James Evans
Look I can't force you to come to accept the reality that intel CPUs are now officially OBSOLETE. I can only show you the door, you have to walk through it.
Lincoln Walker
>Blender
literally no idea what the fuck that is
Sebastian Price
Cinebench isnt a fun game i dont play it anymore
Nathan Jones
Can you update my list, I'm not certain I have all of the intel mental gymnastics down.
>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>*NEW* 7nm doesn't matter!
>*NEW* StoreMI doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Security doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Stock coolers don't matter!
>*NEW* Games don't always matter!
>*NEW* Hyperthreading doesn't matter!
Bentley Jones
>"L-less is more!"
lmao
Mason Walker
AMD version:
>Blender matters
>Cinebench matters
>Winzip matters
Juan Fisher
Lol, 500fps+
Oh I need 800fps
Wyatt Flores
I mean Intel really hasn't made any architecture improvements since Skylake and their prices are still far from competitive. Meanwhile AMD is really innovating right now. We've haven't seen generational improvements like this on Intel's side in over a decade now.
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Alexander Wright
If you need a CPU for cheap gaming AND are able to get the 9400f for dirt cheap, go for it. The benefit of the 9400f is you can usually get it and a dirt cheap motherboard with even more dirt cheap 2666MHz memory because the i5 can't be overclocked or utilize RAM above 2666MHz. However you have to keep in mind that games are making the move towards higher multi-core spread and with next gen consoles going to have AMD based 6c12t (or 8c16t, not confirmed yet), games will take advantage of more cores/threads even more than now.
FPS aside if you check many games, the 6c6t Intel chips see ass much as 85% or higher CPU load on games. When you have cores approaching 100% load, you start running into issues of FPS stutter.
Logan Lewis
The 8400 came out shortly after the 1600 came out. The 1600 was/still is
dogshit for gaming
Joseph Sullivan
That deep buyers remorse really gets to you guys, huh?
Remember: the i7-8700K is clocked 1GHz higher.
Aaron Gutierrez
>counterstrike
Charles Ortiz
It really was BUT not for the reasons everyone else thought. I actually got mine to clock at 3.7 GHz at 1.4v on a hyper 212 BUT for the life of me I just could not get CL15 3000 to fucking boot. Had to crank it down to 2400 CL16 to get memtest to pass (2666 booted but bsods). Zen+ mitigated this a bit by having more RAM comptability and the advent of b-die RAM going down in prices.
It's been a hellish 2 years for AMD desu but they finally got their shit together. Personally I'm upgrading to an X570 after all the BIOS issues as steamrolled.
Jeremiah Jenkins
Meanwhile look how little IPC improvement we have here.
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That's 15% higher baseclock and 18% higher boostclock and it still only averages 20% better!
Adam Miller
>couldn't get CL15 3000 to boot
I was a day one adopter of Ryzen 1xxx and my 1700X was more than capable of pushing CL14 3200MHz like 3 BIOS updates in.
Brayden Nguyen
Dude your list is old as shit
Here
>Multi-core doesn't matter!
>Productivity doesn't matter!
>Price/performance doesn't matter!
>Performance per watt doesn't matter!
>Power usage doesn't matter!
>Temperatures don't matter!
>Soldered dies don't matter!
>Stutters don't matter!
>Streaming doesn't matter!
>Data centers don't matter!
>Locked CPUs don't matter!
>OEMs don't matter!
>Hyperscalers don't matter!
>Upgradeability doesn't matter!
>Anti-competitive business practices don't matter!
>Locked platform features don't matter!
>Synthetic loads don't matter!
>PCI-e lanes don't matter!
>Burnt pins don't matter!
>Heat doesn't matter!
>1771w cooler doesn't matter!
>Server space doesn't matter!
>ECC support doesn't matter!
>Free RAID doesn't matter!
>NVMe RAID doesn't matter!
>IPC doesn't matter!
>7nm doesn't matter!
>StoreMI doesn't matter!
>HEDT doesn't matter!
>Stock coolers don't matter!
>Security doesn't matter!
>Enterprise doesn't matter!
>Hyperthreading doesn't matter!
>VMware doesn't matter!
>MySQL doesn't matter!
>Unix doesn't matter!
>Linux doesn't matter!
>Wafer yields don't matter!
>Benchmarks after full patches don't matter!
>Asian markets don't matter!
>Own fabrics don't matter!
>Chipset lithography doesn't matter!
>Cray doesn't matter!
>Cisco doesn't matter!
>HPE doesn't matter!
>AZURE doesn't matter!
>5nm doesn't matter!
>TDP doesn't matter!
>10nm doesn't matter!
>Cache doesn't matter!
>Integrated graphics doesn't matter!
>PCIE 4.0 doesn't matter!
>Mindfactory doesn't matter!
>Processors doesn't matter!
>Custom Foundry Business doesn't matter!
>Stock voltage doesn't matter!
>Games don't ALWAYS matter!
>Amazon sales don't matter!
>Prime95 AVX doesn't matter!
>Large corporations don't matter!
>Your DATA doesn't matter!
>Context switch duration doesn't matter!
>*NEW* 202x market outlooks don't matter!
>*NEW* VRM doesn't matter!
>*NEW* Single core performance doesn't always matter!
>*NEW* World records don't matter!
>*NEW* Socket support doesn't matter
Levi Davis
Probably a hynix casualty like me, I got a 3200 CL16 at microcenter for $50 a month ago and ofc I had to clock it down to 2833 with my 1500X.
Connor Howard
Sorry OP, don't listen to these mean neanderthals. I'll give you the benchmarks you want.
When you're done, we can snuggle at my place (AMD HQ).
Zachary Hughes
No. That depended on mobo/BIOS and 3200 CL14 is B-die while 3000 CL15 is not.
Ryzen 1000 was utter garbage with shit memory compatibility and only useful for applications that make use of moar cores/threads.
Justin Reed
The 9400 can support 3000 mhz, but it requires a z390 board.
Doubt it's worth the investment unless you just want a preupdated bios, because Z390 boards are expensive.
Grayson Long
yea I had my 1700X inside of an Asus Crosshair X370 motherboard so BIOS support was on point.
the only benefit of the 9400f is it's cheaper platform. Once you start throwing money away on a higher end chipset motherboard, at that point just get an R5-3600.
Noah Sullivan
I know that's why I said it was overpriced.
I got a Z390 free from a sweepstakes fortunately, though the downside is it's an Assrock board.
Christian Ward
ASrock isn't terrible. I take Asus and Asrock LONG before you find me with MSI or God forbid Gigabyte. I'll use Biostar or ECS before Gigabyte.
Nicholas Barnes
based
Josiah Hill
1600 on X370 Prime Pro and I had to run it at 2400. Imo "upgrading" to Ryzen, even from fucking Nehalem, was a bad choice.
At least my computer is now silent and I have a nice GTX1080.
Jeremiah Mitchell
>Nehalem
You gained cheap cores and some slightly better IPC going even to gen1 Ryzen, memory issues aside. And Ryzen SMT is far superior to Intel's hyperthreading based SMT.