Need job for experience, need experience for job

Why is it that all these "bootstrap" faggots seem to forget to mention this in their little dickwaving contests? Same with money making gurus who just happen to forget that the only reason they could do what they did was because their richer/more sociable siblings took them out to donation drives or just straight up gave them free contacts.

>babby's first capitalism.

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this is for a 60 hour week?

that's not what I'm asking faggot, these maggots being carried everywhere obviously aren't lying with their self righteous gloating but they all forget a very vital part of the equation.

It's less about capitalism and more about human nature.

>that greentext
Isn't the purpose of an apprenticeship to feed an unskilled worker with knowledge and know-how, so he becomes a skilled worker?
Am kraut so this greatly vexes me.

>need job for experience
contribute to open source projects fucker, develop a portfolio of your own work to present to employers

no one actually cares about your hard skills. they want to know how socially competent you are.

I don't care about wagecuck problems. I took the neetpill and live like a king with no obligations. Even more hilarious are unemployed wagecucks that are mentally enslaved to hamster wheel.

depends on the place user, some places just want obedient code monkeys

You can't get a job because you don't have the skills. Ask yourself - why should I, as a boss, hire you?

if you prove you are able to take too much bullshit it will raise another red flag. i spent some time working a monkey type of job and now they think i'm a retard who can only be micromanaged.

Just get a small loan of a million from ur dad bro It's not that hard.

>posting jobshit on Jow Forums
Go to Jow Forums.
>bbbbbbbut they only talk about bitco-
Don't care nerd.

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What did socialists use before candles?

You don't need experience for a job.
You need connections. You need to know someone who is able to put your foot in the door.

Business has always been like this. Actual random applications are a secondary way to find employees. Most of the time, a company will prefer someone vetted by one of their pre-existing work force.

idk man i went to an interview, didn’t get the job, but got a call a couple weeks later saying someone got promoted and a junior role opened up and the only reason i didn’t get the first job was experience. make sure you interview well and good companies will keep in touch, way nicer for them to just phone a previous interviewee back than interview a whole new set of people etc

Do burgerd not have internships? I got paid to learn and now I'm being paid to work with what I've learned.

Germany is apparently the only country where actual apprenticeships are a thing.
The US prefers long-term unpaid internships instead.

We do but it is often unpaid or if you are unlucky you have to pay them to take you in.

>user there appears to be a gap unaccounted for on your resume, why is that?

Why would anyone want to work a job?
Just be a neet and give your own life meaning.

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Tell me more about the German labour market/apprenticeship system. What are its strengths, what are its flaws? Why is its approach not more widespread?

Fuck this shit. I'm done, I'm just gonna not work, not only that, I'll do everything in my power to fuck shit up for everyone else, I'll vote for shitty politicians. Fuck this world.

>I'll vote for shitty politicians
So will the majority

>The US prefers long-term unpaid internships instead.
This is mostly for office cuck jobs. Trades here are desperate for workers so I'm not sure why people are having trouble.

Money is fake & the economy is fake.
Most jobs contribute nothing. A lot are to make things worse.
It's a corrupt satanic evil system. Don't feel bad about not engaging in it.
Don't listen to the retards who scream about social responsibility and obligations, and muh tax dollars.
Society is cancer.

This pisses me off to no end. It's none of their god damn business.
That only works if there are people who make enough money to support you and don't mind wasting it on a manbabby.

Help code any open source project. Put your real name on the account.

Then later after some months of contributions you put your github or etc account into your resume.

neetdom really is the only way to live besides self-employment or being the 1/100 people who get to work at a position they enjoy.

The concept of wagiedom combined with the application process is laughable to me. You have to beg, bootlick and smile just to have the privilege of having a boss order you around 40 miserable hours a week, where you'll have to also deal with some combo of shitty customers, coworkers and traffic.
Its fucking bizarre. Employers should be the ones begging and grateful for those in the labour market cause they'll be trading their free time to each shit 5 days a week. I just cant come up with the nerve to fake real enthusiasm for a job, its like telling someone to beg for a prison term.

You have to beg, bootlick and smile just to have your CV noticed

you have to beg, bootlick and smile at every step of the process. fuck i'm glad i'll live to see either the end of capitalism or the end of the world

"That time reflects a period where I ran into financial troubles. In that period I accepted any kind of jobs I came across, most times working double shifts or 2-3 jobs at the same time. It was too crowded and chaotic to list them and they are not related to my field, being them low level cleaning, courier and generic helping hand kind of jobs. I managed to pull myself out with studying in the mean time and managed to establish a solid economic basis so I could progress further in my chosen field. Now I am here discussing a stable position in your company"
Honesty about money troubles and low level jobs will work out nicely if you put an upper tone in the end, you being able to come out of a rut on your own. Shows dedication, something employers want more than perfect GPA and field related credentials/experience. "Smart but lazy" don't fly outside of school.

Also saying you were full time helping at home with ill and/or disabled family member also shows dedication and willing to sacrifice your own time for others. Also a good trait to have in a candidate.

Except I've got iron fucking leg muscles and I'm hopping my way up. It's be faster if it weren't for my 10 kg dong weighing me down but alas, I need something to fuck your wife with

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and don't worry about them thinking you've been to jail. ex cons play their cards right and don't spill spaghetti at an interview. they can tell you are a neet

Capitalism was a mistake.

ayyyyyyy my man

Background checks can confirm whether or not you worked in those kinds of jobs

the burning corpses of their starved chrilen

so dont lie, nanobrain

No one unable to find a job is skilled enough to contribute to a serious open source project

Not true. There are serious projects with many entry-level tasks to do, and you can improve dramatically by engaging seriously and working your way up to harder tasks.
I learned C++ by doing open source and ended up working at multiple big tech companies.

I'm currently writing a letter to a devops traineeship, which pays more than my current non-IT job.
A friend of mine who has zero tech skills got hired, so I hope they are willing to hire someone with tech skills as well.

>3 years most of the time
>1,5 days per week trade school
>between that it's regular work at the company you're doing your apprenticeship in
>company is part of a local business association, either for industry, or for manufacturing / craftsmanship, or for service branch firms
>LBAs represent their members in local discourse, set quality standards with their members
>pay during apprenticeship is shit compared to work as a certified employee, but your company still pays enough in LBA fees, trade school tuition and shit, to where it just about comes together like a regular employees salary

Good:
>preserves middle class
>keeps a steady flow of qualified workers
>don't have to study to do stuff you shouldn't need to study for
>education system is insanely modular, where e. g. someone can start an apprenticeship at 15, work their way up to eventually become a "master" (think master smith for example) and qualifies for university through that avenue, instead of sitting through highschool

Bad:
>Bad apples; had a guy in tradeschool who made less then half what i did and i wasn't even a top earner in that class
>in some areas the apprenticeship status is debatable; systems integrators are, most of the times, just better level 2 support guys. For a good sysadmin you still prolly need an it bachelor guy

Overall i'm hella glad i benefit from it

how do I get a tech job?

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Step 1: remove your interests.

Sounds like a good system overall. Why would you say it isn't more widespread then?

What was it
or post a list of possibilities/projects of similar seriousness

it's sometimes good to include interests (although I've found that the companies that want to know about your interests will just ask) but your interests are not the right interests to be telling people about, you need to just hide your powerlevel.

KDE mostly :)

you write better english than most burgers and leafs

>tfw begged and bootlicked really fucking hard this past week
>I even wrote a "passionate" cover letter for the company I want to work the most at
>even fucking called them
>got ghosted 99% of the time by other companies
I just want to work.

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looking more closely at this image, this is b8 isn't it?

if it's not, then I'm interested to understand how someone is a property manager and a fund manager at the same time, and then decided to work at gamestop on top of that

also
>interests
>skipping rope

>interests
>shooting ropes

Just get some professional certifications, user.

I don't necessarily have a problem with it. Even if they didn't put in the work, their relatives did.
It just annoys the shit out of me when they pretend that anyone can do it with a tiny bit of effort.

youtu.be/Z5m1O5niSr0

skipping rope is cool

I manage a portfolio of digital commodities and manage my parent's house

Germany's trade sector is completely understaffed to that stopped it from adopting the most cancerous US practices. In Germany you only need to have basic skills in math and writing plus not be a total asshole to get an apprenticeship.

>Why would you say it isn't more widespread then?
It's expensive. Easily pays off if you can keep the guy after he finishes his apprenticeship because you "raised" him yourself and made sure he's actually competent but that requires some long term thinking to realize.

>KDE
the Linux thing? desktop environment or whatever? like in Kubuntu

Anyway my point stands, you were probably good enough to find a job if you were able to do anything for a well known Linux project. For some reason the market might've been slow to pick up on your skill/potential, for example if you were a freshman in university you're not gonna get as much attention compared to someone who can graduate the following spring and come on board full-time even with the same resume

also a good half of aspiring devs online seem to be front end/UI people so telling them to do open source is especially bad advice, there's no use for them and they lack the CS foundations to do harder stuff

How do interviewers react when they learn that your employment by "Company name confidential" means "doing housework for my parents" and "I do a bit of crypto"?

Why did you last less than a full month at Walmart? How long exactly did they keep you on and what did you do to cock it up so quickly?

What exactly does your "Certificate in Financial Markets" entail? It says Yale but I take it you haven't actually got an Ivy League degree or anything vaguely approaching that?

assuming this isn't just bait, remove all of those interests, apart from maybe crypto. go and do some short course on fishing, archery or some shit like that which isn't too widespread and pick up the most basic knowledge on it. gets you through every conversation about it unless the other guy is an enthusiast but in that case just let him do the talking.

You retard alt-right zoomers voted Republican to the point of calling even classically liberal light regulation muh evilz socialism, let alone having real social democracy. Now you're crying because handing over all three branches of government to rich dudes out to fuck you with an NYC con-artist running the show is fucking you? LOOOOOOOOOL

T. you liberal-left boomer who made enough working in technology when you could literally get a tech job at a hot dot-com just knowing html and still in high school in the late 90s or developer just with a bit of windows front-end in the big ibanks during the 00s boom to be FIRE. Kek I love how poor you sad faggots are. Especially as I am brown. Lol losers. Kek.

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coursera.org/learn/financial-markets-global

Does Germany have the same problem the UK/US has (particularly for tech) where people will hop jobs every 18 months if they want any real pay increases?

I hate the ghosting shit. It's not recent either, I had one holiday job ~15 years ago during my school time where my job was just to pre-sort through applications. i.e. check if the formatting was acceptable, if the choice of words hinted towards more than two brain cells and so on.
I threw out about two thirds of them and then when I was done and expected they'd tell me to prepare the letters for those people they just dumped them all in the trash.
Nowadays it's even less acceptable because half of them do it online, they wouldn't even need to pay postage and they could automate it.

it's a meme i've seen it on biz and other boards

Not as much as the US/UK, but especially the tech sector is starting to have to deal with that problem. The company I'm working at (Chemicals) is trying to counteract that by just rotating their qualified staff between company branches and groups every couple years to keep you entertained.

The job hopping does still occur a bit for the first timers though. Everything that's not total grunt work wants you to have work experience so you just take some shit job you don't actually want to do, clench your ass for a year or two and then start applying for jobs you'd actually enjoy.

71935644
>larping this hard
>not even remotely interesting
0/10 no (you) for you

I lost it at the inconsistent Yale University | Certificate then HS Diploma | High School

>As with almost every position, knowing people is what matters.
This. And when you don't know people you better start doing internships. You probably won't get paid, but if you're good you'll get to know the important people. After that the rest is easy. Assuming you're actually good.

>yeah just go work for free so you can maybe work for money later, what's the problem?

>need trust fund to be a NEET
>need to have rich family for trust fund
why even live

Possibly missing cultural adoption. Apprenticeship has existed in germany since the middle ages, although back then you had to pay to learn from a master. Like our bismarckian social securities, this shit takes alot of time or alot of pressure to stick

Don't think so. Employment generally is a mid-to-longterm thing in germany. Most people just want to establish a stable base of existance. If you really think you're undervalued and you can't renegotiate, sure, but that's the exception.

Nah, go look at infosys, revature, fdm, etc.
You’ll get placed at a big bank or institution making pennies for two years, but at least you’ll get some experience. I was trained for data engineering and did manual testing, did about 2 or 3 hours of work a week since I scripted everything and spent the rest of the time coding on a free tier google vm and studying leetcode. Was pretty comfy.

Most tradesmen ruin their bodies at age 55 and can't do anything else. Worse yet, unless you're an entrepreneur and master tradesman, you won't make more than 100k a year max.

what's wrong with 100k/year?

When people in tech are making 300 to 500k with free food, benefits, and sitting in an AC office/home doing trivial API debugging, making 100k breaking your body sounds pretty shit m8.

>place has "now hiring" sign
>ask to speak to manager
>"go apply online"
>please spend 30 minutes doing this automated survey that is impossible to get to the eyes of a hiring manager without using a cheat sheet

>apply for TRAINEE position
>"sorry, you don't have the experience we are looking for"

You know it was for a boiler maintenance trainee and a elevator shaft maintenance trainee.

I worked in a mechanic shop, yet I still didn't have enough experience for a completely new trainee position

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It's fine in and of itself, but you damn well better have free healthcare and family to rely on when you inevitably ruin your hands, back and shoulders doing trade work (electrician, plumbing, construction, etc.)

That salary still isn't worth it, even at my age (29) when I actually need to think about maintaining my health so I don't up and get cancer at 40 and leave my kids destitute. 100k a year is middle class now.

I have a PhD in chemistry(cue the incredulous anons, I'd love to expound on my dissertation to anyone who'll listen), got a couple conferences and publications as well as a patent application on my combo resume/CV, and I still get rejected from fucking postdoc applications.

I've probably submitted a few hundred applications, done the "right" way by customizing my resume and cover letter after doing oppo research on the company, and still nothing. Not even a phone interview. I'm brushing up on my python skills which I used sparingly for data analysis and visualization so I can hopefully contribute to an open source project to make connections and get some resume padding. Wish me luck.

>he doesn't mention the widespread abuse of apprentices as cheap labour force
>he doesn't mention the chance of hitting a shitty employer who will treat you like a slave, manipulates you and / or you learn nothing in the end
>he doesn't mention the fact that if you got fucked over by a horrible employer and you leave from a apprenticeship before finishing, that your ass will be flip-flopping for 1-3 years until you either get a new apprenticeship or your resumee is ruined forever.
>he doesn't mention the corrupt IHK that pretends to protect apprentices, but takes bribes behind your back from accused employers and let's you eat shit.
>he doesn't mention the godawful "write down everything you did every day for 3 fucking years, only for some fat cunt to browse it through in under a minute for your final test at job school" rule, which is heavily enforced.

(((everything is fine with the German apprenticeship system)))

I don't believe anything anymore.

They're either showing the application as a formality while searching internally for their next goon, or they're simply throwing out a canned response after finding their candidate.

It's got to be the above cases because the alternative is too depressing for me to bear: the market is so saturated and the company so retarded that they look for people with experience for positions that don't require experience.

I'm not that user but at one point it is no longer about what is best or what is right, it is about evaluating options you actually have.
I had no idea how to get into what i liked, i have dane half a year of unpaid internship and actually managed to branch off from there thanks to meeting people and receiving free training courses. Admittedly, i had the spare money (and some passive income) to do so. I don't know if this was the best decision at the time, but im good now.

Were you a former tradie? I know tradies who are in great shape. If you are working on your knees you just have to stay lean and work out. The additional muscle and strength will prevent you from sustaining injuries. The only problem is when you under pressure to finish as quickly as possible so you move hastily and without proper safety equipment and form.

There are people that offer to work for free, the market for entry level work in any field is so far beyond saturated it’s ridiculous. I blame low standard Pajeets.

This. Currently discussing job contract just because I know someone that knows someone. Connections are everything and experience literally doesn't matter.

No, and admittedly, my report is based on (a large amount of) anecdotal evidence. What you say is likely true, but I see many tradies with some sort of health problem.

I agree, labour camps solve unemployment problems.

is the gamestop/walmart work history just being a cashier? i don't get the ""confidential"" ones