Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU >R7 1700X - Budget video editing >R9 3900X - Professional tasks
RAM: >Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 or Micron E-die ("AES" in code) recommended >AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP >B-die is EOL, stocks are limited
GPUs based on current pricing: 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games >RX 5700 - even higher FPS 1440p >RX 5700 - basic >RX 5700XT - standard >RTX 2070 Super - higher framerates in SOME games 2160p (4K) >RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does. >2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive
>Navi AIB models come mid-August. 5700 blower is alright, due to low power.
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Yes, adaptive sync (free/g/sync) is important >SSD Guide (250GB+ SATA bare minimums): i.imgur.com/79MYtoE.png >NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming >"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work >Don't use Speccy >AM4 VRMs + Monitors under "more"
>get most everything today for my new build >waiting patiently for the cpu/cpu cooler to get here via USPS >waiting for it to arrive in town/go out for delivery all day >updates a few minutes ago to 'In Transit, Arriving Late' >leaving all of this shit on the table until the rest gets here tomorrow or Sunday >tfw
Man, after all these new benchmarks coming out showing 10-20% worse performance for 3900x over 9900k, I'm starting to actually consider buying intel instead.
Until they bump down their prices and offer hyper threading for their CPUs, their 1% lows will remain shoddy and their value poor. Also, socket changes every year or two is just lame.
Ryder Russell
No, it's to capture HDCP protected content from my splitter and copy some tapes/DVDs later on.
Isaiah Howard
>copying and reading/writing a lot oh that explains the pro
Parker Rogers
>talks about 10-20% performance loss on the 3900X vs 9900k >ShOuLd i BuY inTeL?
post links shill
Dylan Lopez
What brand has the best BIOS software for x570 boards?
Wyatt Richardson
Is there a single better looking ram kit than this?
Shit, RTX 2070 dropped to $420. If it somehow manages to drop to ~$380, it might just be worth considering.
Jonathan Bennett
Thank you anons for all the help i have gotten on this list. Can you please help me understand this note, i'm not sure what it means, i have a idea but don't understand fully. This price tag is alluring as is nearly 1000 less then what i was looking at when i woke up.
Did you see the 424 usd bundle on prime day for a 9600k, asus z390 prime-a (I know, shit vrms) and an Intel 660p 1tb nvme ssd? I had been looking to get either a 9600k o 9700k for just gaming and a 1tb ssd so it was a gift from the heavens imo. What do you think?
>pcpartpicker.com/list/3PqsyX that means that the m.2 port and the SATA ports are 'sharing wires', if you plug shit into m.2 it uses up some of the SATA slots basically
Samuel Baker
new case, gives the dust more room to breathe
Eli Nelson
Everything. OEM motherboards will fuck your shit up.
Kevin Fisher
>I need some help with my audio setup and I'm a total audio noob, not sure if this thread is the right there but.. I've been using a Philips stereo like pic related for my desktop audio and its been great up til now but I'm getting some crackling/popping occasionally. Kinda want to throw it all out and replace it with a proper setup but I don't know what all the parts I need are. I think I would need a reciever, yes? Something that connects from the motherboard's 3.5mm audio out and into the reciever. And then from there I think I would need a couple of bookshelf speakers which would likely connect to the reciever using a little bit of speaker wire?
9900k is 3% faster than 9700k in games, about the same is true for 3900X and 3700X, so they're pretty comparable.
I do care about gaming mostly but I want to pull some multithreaded loads once in a while too. It would have been nice if AMD could just be better at everything, so I guess I'm a bit disappointed.
Ryan Bennett
I'm grug brain, does this raw dog me or is it a small issue i can solve when faced with my product. it sounds like a small issue that i should be able to work around, yea?
DAILY REMINDER THAT KRYONAUT IS OVERHYPED OVERPRICED AND OVERSHILLED. It performs WORSE than mx-4 and Nocuta NT-H1, while being usually TWICE as expensive. Big reviwers will tell you its all the hype, yet if you see reviews from smaller, non european testers youl see it constantly performs worse.
I just reapplied noctua after fucking around with kryonaut for 2 days. 6 application later and the temps never were favorable, no matter how much or little was applied. But nocuta back and BAM, fucking temps right back where they were before I put in shit kryonaut. >b-but derbauer says its good No shit, they fucking make it, not shit they would say it's the best.
well in work loads the 3700X competes with the 9900k no problem if you're after comparing 8c16t to 8c16t. The 3700X is $329 while the 9900k is still what, $450? Then for $500, the 3900X wipes the floor with the 9900k.
Liam Evans
i've been using mx-4 and i'd highly recommend it
Joshua Evans
I like the idea of ccx OCing, but isn't that what PBO is supposed to do? It makes me wonder if PBO is even working correctly.
Colton Bell
Yes, literally every single ram kit that has ever been produced look better than this.
Carson Wilson
is it for a gaymen system? are you not doing anything else? then just get a 9900k, or better a 9700k/kf there’s no reason to fanboy, buy parts that you need plus you can get a cheaper z390 motherboard compared to x570
Carter Collins
Has there ever been a worse time to be in the market for a graphics card? We're still looking at crypto prices for cards that are barely more powerful than crypto cards. I guess at least AMD fanboys have something to celebrate now but that's setting the bar pretty low.
Ayden Harris
They are pointless unless you need an iGPU and more than 4 cores for passthrough under Linux. Hot, insecure, pay even more on your power bill than their overpriced costs up front. Zen2 was made to compete with Intel 10nm and mops the floor with their 14nm instead.
9600k stutters and is bad, though. Should be a $100 CPU.
Jordan Gomez
So I'm getting a Timespy near 9500 with an RTX 2060 super and a Ryzen 5 3600. Does that sound about right?
Jaxson Hall
unless you want to use ALL of your SATA ports AND the m.2, no, you're fine
Adrian Torres
No. It's one of the best times now with Navi launch. It was just bad before.
Isaiah Myers
god it just pisses me off that it's shilled so hard, yet performs WORSE while costing TWICE as much. What the fucking hell, it literally feels like a scam! Why the fuck does gamers nexus shill it?!
Julian Cook
you don’t even have to work around it, just don’t fill up the sata ports (leave 2 remaining) and you’ll be fine
Daniel Myers
thank you anons, i feel like i'll be making a purchase in the next 24 hours. Jow Forums has saved me 1000$.
So would getting a 9700K paired with a 2080Ti for 1440p 165HZ be a good idea? I actually have a 3700X as is but I still feel like I'm holding back my GPU. Some games it's only like a 2FPS difference in performance, where others it's like a 15fps difference. I game mostly but do occasionally video edit/encode. But I noticed I can just use me 2080Ti to help encode/render for the rare instance.
Connor Clark
I'd go ahead and get the 3600 for a bit more. It's a lot better in some cases even if you'll usually be GPU bottlenecked at 1440p like you said you planned on anyway.
Isaiah Perez
Stick with the 3700X for now and wait for Intel's Comet Lake chips if you really want to go with Intel.
Lucas Clark
>comet lake eh I'm more about hardware in the here and now. Not hardware that may or may not be coming out by 2023.
Elijah Lewis
does anyone have any recommended ambient light products for this effect? thinking of phillips hue but it's pretty pricey
I already own an Asus ROG STRIX B350-F Gaming mobo asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-STRIX-B350-F-GAMING/ and im thinking of upgrading my 1500x to a 3600. also saw i could upgrade from corsair vengeance ddr4 2x8gb 3000mhz to some new 3200mhz 2x8gb for $78.
opinions?
Nathaniel Green
>IPS >G-sync >cheap "No". Also G-sync isn't a meme no. Some will SWEAR that Freesync monitors with "g-sync compatibility" are the same, but they're not. I will say G-sync with my 2080Ti is fantastic >comet Lake 14nm+++ They're still sticking with 14nm? I thought the entire wait was 10nm. What is Comet Lake supposed to bring that current gen doesn't have? Gaming and moderate multi-tasking? 3600. Higher end gaming and/or work loads? 3700X.
Leo Torres
HOWS THE BUILD QUALITY? ANY NIGGLES? HOW LONG IS THE WARRANTY?
Camden Wilson
Save your money on the RAM and use that money towards something else. As for you board supporting Ryzen 3xxx, it depends on if the BIOS is mature for it. B450 boards with 3xxx is a shit show right now, let alone B350.
Brandon Bailey
build quality is fine. Don't know what niggles are. No idea about the warranty. Also chill with the caps.
Charles Flores
Comet Lake will probably have a 10-core $500 CPU and Hyperthreading will be activated on every CPU down the product line. It'll also be on LGA 1200.
Hunter Lewis
How much money do you think intel is spending in trying to find vulnerabilities in ryzen cpus?
Jaxon Howard
countless millions if they're smart. >probably We'll have to see then. I'll just enable PBO on my 3700X for now I suppose.
Cooper Lewis
Are RAM speeds of over 3.2GHZ important for a 3700x build or is it not worth worrying about?
Isaac Bailey
your so sweet, can i order u a pizza or something.
From last thread Get a Nixeus EDG 2, I did an asston of research on 144hz+/1440p monitors recently and ultimately concluded the Nixeus blows the fuck out of the Dell and many ASUS' that cost hundreds more. And no 4ms response time isn't at all discernible from 1ms
Oh uh, for a 1070 maybe don't get 1440p, I'm managing okay around 72-90 FPS on my 1060 right now (with G-sync smoothing the rest out) but can't run intensive games but that's only because I'm buying a 2070 super whenever it's in stock Forgot to mention it's IPS but again, the latency discrepancy doesn't matter, pretty sure under 4ms is impossible which is why they're usually listed as 1-4ms anyway
Benjamin Torres
I'm updating a emulation/NAS/HTPC running a J1900 to a J4105. An OEM J4105 motherboard is about half the price of a retail board, but has only one RAM slot. Is going single-channel going to hurt performance that much?
Angel Anderson
9700k stutters down to 30fps in some games so obviously not. You won't get 165fps in everything no matter what, anyway. Lots of games just run like shit.
Zen2 is the only thing worth buying now. Intels new *Cove architecture could be good, but it's not coming to desktop until 2021 or 2022.
give ERP
Ian Hernandez
What's the best and smallest case I can get to hold this stuff?
I don't care how it looks I'm going to throw it under the shelf of my desk and never look at it unless I need to plug something in
Do other msi ventus cards suffer froom poor quality fans or heatsinks? Checking a review for the MSI RTX 2070 SUPER VENTUS OC the temps and noise levels seemed fine, but hard to tell for long term use.
which would you prefer buying a 6gb 1060 or a 8gb 570? if prices were the same
Mason Moore
techpowerup.com/review/amd-zen-2-memory-performance-scaling-benchmark/2.html >Overall, when looking at the application averages, there's barely a five percent performance gain to be had going from DDR4-2400 to DDR4-3600. >Games are a different story from applications as they tend to be more memory bandwidth hungry. At 720p, there is a 10 percent performance increment to be had when going from DDR4-2133 to DDR4-3200. >DDR4-4000 and beyond, while easy to do on these processors, isn't worth the effort unless you have decent memory modules that are rated for it. With Infinity Fabric clocks not scaling beyond 1700–1800 MHz, the gains from extremely high memory speed are almost certainly not worth the added cost.
1) Why the fuck do you want a 5400RPM drive. A normal HDD couldn't cost that much more? 2) That board looks like it has 4 SATA ports. Just check the manual when you build which ports get used by the M.2 slot and don't stick your HDD into those.
Asher White
how painful would it be to put a new PSU in an old computer? computer is around 1999-2000 era, and i dont want to chance buying an old PSU off ebay or somewhere.
Swapping the ram is pointless. The difference is minuscule. However, you could probably actually just add the new ram in and run it at 3000mhz and have 32gb without issue though.
Angel Reed
>kryonaut shills finally arrived to damage control Hello tards, you do understand that the paste was removed and reapplyed multiple times, with different methods. In all cases it performed WORSE than MX-4 or Noctua NT-H1. Even doing a switch back and froth you could see increase temps with kryonaut and decrease temps with mx-4 or nocuta.
>but muh user error fuck off mate
James Long
I'd put it in a fractal focus g. cheap, still mid atx so you have expansion room, comes with front fans already, and is a good design at that price.
Some AMD B450 chipset motherboards may need a BIOS update prior to using Zen 2 CPUs. Upgrading the BIOS may require a different CPU that is supported by older BIOS revisions.
some parts are hot and i wanted to open the case and put some in the hot parts to cool it down
Julian Smith
Same price? 1060 6GB. But I've never seen them the same price. 570 is so good because it's been $130 for months.
idk PCIe didn't exist then and stuff.
Good luck. That shit is overpriced all over.
Not him, I've ignored your rambling up until this point, but you are retarded.
not what I meant Drop the thermal paste. It's no better than the stuff the cooler comes with. Get a better case. Do you really need a CD/DVD drive..? buy windows key for $5-$10 from ebay. They're grey market. Just buy from a reputable seller who has good feedback on selling them. Since your budget was originally $2400, why not get a 2TB QVO 860 SSD? HDD are basically defunct, outside of NAS and server usage.
maybe if you can't handle applying thermal paste, you might want to use the wonderful Thermal Grizzly Carbonaut! It's a re-usuable thermal pad that provides moderate level performance while being so simple even a retarded child could apply it, since it's merely a cloth that you put on top of the CPU! That should be suitable for you user.
Christian Baker
>Jayz No thanks
Oliver Hall
no. just leave PSU's alone.
Grayson Jenkins
>Not him, I've ignored your rambling up until this point, but you are retarded. and I care why?
yes shill me some more grizzly products, I am sure the next overpriced piece of shit you suggest isn't a complete failure
No. A NAS enclosure is just another computer. Do the math yourself: chassis + motherboard + PSU + CPU + RAM + SATA backplane. Even on the extreme low end it's very easy to go over $150 altogether.
If you need many drives it's better to just build a proper server, possibly from an old PC. If you need few and can afford to move them around between machines, just use USB externals. Otherwise the NAS tax is probably cheaper. Just be aware that NAS enclosures often use proprietary internals, especially power supplies, that can be a bitch to replace if they stop working (OEM parts not sold to end users). I prefer option 1.
