>historical footage that is trustworthy today will at some point become untrustworthy
>deepfakes didn't exist when it was recorded, of course
>but at some point it will become impossible to tell if past historical footage has been tampered with in the present
It's like there's a clock ticking; the day that deepfakes are perfected will become the expiration date for the believability of any currently still trustworthy footage.
Of course at that point no video can be trusted anymore. Yet today that isn't the case yet, so can we somehow at least carry over the pre-perfect-deepfake footage into the future as a last beacon of "realness" from the past?
What can we do today to preserve real footage's believability while deepfakes have not yet been perfected?
Some kind of certificate? Hashing?
Deepfakes put an expiration date on historical/archival footage
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nothing. we're basically fucked.
You can always do something you dumb defeatist frog
Build a really large mirror on the moon and then we can use a telescope on Earth to see our past
Nothing will change.
Deepfakes will replace those deceptive and out of order editing, and out of context comments they already show on TV.
One day, children will grow up believing that Terry A Davis was a black man.
blockchain has a use case here , a hash of the video is uploaded to a chain somewhere and if you wanna verify you have the same video compare the hashes.
>What is Checksum.
>What is metadata.
Researchers already found a way to detect deepfakes. They're fighting fire with fire using AI too.
deepfakes dont look realistiv
Blockchain :^)
yet
what is HASHING fucking retards
Is not all footage subjective? There is also nothing that stopped footage or even actions themselves from being faked with actors, cgi or edited frame-by-frame at an earlier date.
>"blockchain" means any hashed linked list
When will this meme end.
But yeah, you're right. Need to a public verifiable reality confirmation chain. The problem will come when deepfakes can be computed in real time. They'll get added so fast it will be hard to differentiate fake from real.
it's not trivial to hash the contents of video
of course you can hash a certain encoding of that video in a certain container file with zero effort, but once you re-encode, or get the same footage from a different source, the hashes will not match
we need a way to reliably fingerprint videos, similar to how it's already done with audio for the purpose of automatic content recognition, like shazam
They will put black people at d day.
Google it you lazy fuck. This is /g, not yahoo answers.
>based and redpilled
>implying this is anything new
>implying history isn't written by the winners
>implying there aren't countless things we take as """'facts""" in history that are nothing but fabrications of the elite of that time
That doesn't stop footage from being untrustworthy, dimwit.
holy BASED
A lie will go round the world while truth is pulling its boots on.
always been been impressed by that shoop desu, I wonder how long someone had to do this with pencils and razors or something
>implying this is not common knowledge and has not been known for thousands of years
>implying anyone who actually is serious about history and study it professionally does not take this into account...
>also implying that there are not some subjects that professionals/professors are not able to talk about.
Deepfakes will change the way history is perceived but only in societies that are directly benefiting from an agenda. There would still be many cases where fakes would be called out and also stuff like blockchains can be used to store information for political events and secure that the only information that is permitted to be imputed in the blocks is verified. Naturally this would not solve the problem, but it has always been a thing.
Only forward thinking man in this thread.
> take way to detect fakes
> use it to train better AI
wow, that is such a problem.
as I understand it, this is exactly what GANs are meant to do. I imagine you could just feed them the deepfaked inserted face with a deepfake detector comparing to a real face and have it optimize to perfection. At least someday when technology is fast and powerful enough to do this very sophisticatedly
People already believe in lies and bullshit, this won't change anything.
The Sci-fi series "The Culture" mentions this. In the series video evidence is no longer considered valid unless the event was witnessed by a trustworthy witness (meaning, a military ship's artificial intelligence or other equally powerful AI).
We’ll return to town halls, rallies and other real life events to believe politicians are not being faked
>what are hash checks
you can always make sure something is the original
top bait
>hurr
I don't understand why so many idiots ITT think hash checks are relevant. The question is about how we prevent faked videos from causing problems in the future. If you create a fake video of a politician talking about niggers and jews in a private conversation there is no easy way to prove that it didn't happen.
>gotosleep.jpg
hashing and certs seem like a good way to send you down a rabbit hole looking for the one true encode.
i'm not convinced that deepfakes will be much of a problem for anyone concerned with historical truth. official channels and authoritative sources won't really go away.
for everyone else however, reality will collapse in on itself as we truly enter the post-truth age.
It doesn't change that much, does it? The possibility of footage being fake was always there. And it's not like footage was particularly common or existed before the 1950s either.
How the fuck can something look so innocuous from a thumbnail but fucked up full size? It's mostly the other way around.
ALL historical/archival footage has been already tampered with. This method is what is shown and what is not shown more than outright alteration.
not secure.
Technology that detects deepfakes is technology that makes deepfakes harder to detect. The more accurate deepfake prevention is the more accurate deepfakes become in order to circumvent the detection.
The moon you say? A large mirror?
>What is Checksum.
Numbers that are meaningless unless signed by a trusted authority.
>What is metadata.
Today I can shoop a photo and save it with original EXIF or make it say whatever I please.
So we can look moon and see when people go. Like a camera, we keep people watching moon and no bad can go wrong
We're not fucked, governments are.
We're either going to ancapistan heaven or this plane crashes with no survivors.
Get known good recordings now and make cryptographically secure hashes of them.
ai generated action movies about fighter-jets when??
I'm kind of impressed with how they bothered in the Soviet-area. In the west they simply remove all mentions of anything they don't want the public to see or know. Replacing one photo with some other photo seems a whole lot simpler than manipulating the footage.
I also don't think deepfakes will make that much of a difference. There's nothing but lies and propaganda with some entertainment mixed in on "news" programs anyway.
A huge % of footage that was ever produced is now on Youtube or archive.org. Even if we can't discount tampering on future uploads, we can be almost sure that nothing uploaded before roughly 2015 was deepfaked, that includes historical footage. We have an authority in Google, so to say.
The special libraries in multimedia corporations have a workflow for securing the content produced by cameramen and into the archive where the master copies cannot be modified.
It's good enough for certifying that video footage is original in court.
V-ID $1000 EOY
It doesn't matter.
why don't they just develop an ai to look for fakes
It comes down to trust, and whether you trust a given authority when they claim that a given piece of footage is correct.
That'll be an important aspect of the market, if you're looking for a startup idea. A few years too early though.
Why don't we just ban technology?
Not sure if existentially/ontologically based or just retarded
Deepfakes are like intel CPU vulnerabilities. They are all proof of concept. Sure you could make a fake politcal video but nobody ever does. They just make porn. Stop making these threads.
I seriously believe that humankind is not really ready yet for many technologies we will create soon. I mean the nuclear bomb is a small thing compared to the technologies from the near future and we are lucky that we haven't nuked each other in the past. Everyting is a probability questions. Sooner or later we will draw the "null".
Oh shi-it! Stop it! reeeeeweeeeeeee
It is almost like a feedback loops, isn't it?
The presence of "trustworthy" information in the context of social and political arenas have never mattered, not before deepfakes and certainly not after deepfakes.
From the perspective of credibility, the only "credible" sources are unaltered and unedited video footage i.e. live CSPAN streams, but because nobody watches that, evidently no one cares about credibility, and so credible sources of information never mattered.
In the social and political arena, the only thing that have ever mattered is clout, presence, and feasibility.
Note how truth is not any one of those things.
And in arenas where the credible evidence is necessary, i.e. during legal proceedings, deepfakes aren't economically viable in general.
Video footage will be dismissed from courts.
We will need old fashioned eye witness testimony
Well, atleast DNA evidence can still be trusted... Inb4 someone fucks that up too with 3d printed dna or some shit
>What can we do today to preserve real footage's believability while deepfakes have not yet been perfected?
What about using blockchain technology (TM) to preserve good data?
eye witness is the least reliable form of testimony given that human memory recalling is complete garbage
Tiny ass paintbrushes. Back then many photos were more like half-paintings. Especially for poinb ohhhuyyy6777777 up;
It... it kinda is, isn't it?
>giant explosion that kills millions is worse than fooling someone
Gotta take a dump so posting this to keep the thread alive, I might come back later with an interesting and very relevant story.
I hope your dumb is going well, user.
Deepfakes overblown. Nothing Hollywood couldn't do 50 years ago.
Only good for porn and silly mocap avatars.
Already a thing and it too is easily fooled.
but soon any citizen can make a deepfake of their political opponents, and intelligence agencies can mass produce and distribute them with ease.
based. the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
Alright I'm asking the dump.
The story I wanted to mention is that back in the summer of 2006 our PM (Hungary) made a private speech in front of his party's congress in which he admitted they cheated and lied all day every day to the general public for at least 2 years and they manipulated a lot of economic metrics like national debt and the deficit of the budget and so forth. And he used very harsh language throughout the speech. You can find the English transcript here, it's actually very funny: en.m.wikipedia.org
But there was one problem, someone recorded the entire speech (or at least most of it) and leaked it to the press and eventually literally everyone I knew had it on their proto smart and dumb phones because everyone sort of found it bizarre and funny. It resulted in an absolute shit show and nationwide protests, I think the biggest this country has ever seen. Protesters literally sieged the parliament, the building of the national Bank, the socialist party's headquarters, the building of the national TV, etc. It really looked like some sort of revolution is taking place. But the police was loyal to the government and they fought the protesters for the next 4 years constantly until the next elections. In the meantime we had out of control currency exchange rates, national debt skyrocketed, the country almost defaulted and only thanks to IMF we didn't, GDP fell by 6 percent, and many people moved to western Europe.
By the time of the next election, the opposition was in full force without actually doing anything since everyone thought nobody can be worse than those faggots and Orbán won more than 68% of the seats in the parliament which granted him supermajority which meant he can do literally fucking anything like a king, which he basically did in the last 9 years. The socialist party that won by 45% in 2006 is on 6% today, thanks to a sound recording.
Cont.
Anything that can be created in this fashion can be scanned to check for authenticity too.
It will fool normal people but it won't be hard to scan a video for manipulation.
Cont.
Now I see most of you are only concerned about deepfake videos but I'd say deepfake "voice recordings" will be a lot harder to detect and far easier to make. I wonder why it isn't a thing yet. You could destroy any political enemy with a tech like that. Especially when you would fake a low quality phone call. Nobody could ever verify its authenticity.
HE WUZ A GUD BOI HE DINDU NUFFIN THOSE CIA CRACKAS HAD IT OUT FOR MY NIGGA POUR ONE OUT FOR HIM RIP
It was also a major plot point of 1984, the MC works in the ministry of truth where they doctor the past to fit the current dogma.
There is zero need to use such sophisticated methods to erase problematic history. Simply stop teaching children history at school and after 30 years there will be no history left. Even now some countries believe that USA won the WW2 and that "war on terror" was justified simply by sheer amount of false positive propaganda made by holywood.
Also the /g answer to your "problems" are these aka cryptography.
who the fuck makes these images?
Just like how Japan doesn't teach their kids about all the war crimes and experimentation they carried out on PoWs and the idiot kids that come to my country get shocked when they see the museum dedicated to Japanese occupation.
Its in the top right corner: minds.com/akana
If the website is erased, try your luck with internet archive. Obviously someone added the bottom text for more punchline effect. Why do you ask?
*cracks open watermelon* terry davis... *smacks lips* now dat dere wuz a real nigga... *sips* them ain't making 'em like them old times...
>applies random static on the video
nothing personnel kid