Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU >R7 1700X - Budget video editing >R9 3900X - Professional tasks
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p 16:9 >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard >RX 5700 - overkill framerates* 1440p 16:9 + 1080p 21:9 >RX 5700 - basic >RX 5700XT - standard* >RTX 2070 Super - higher framerates in some games* 2160p 16:9 + 1440p 21:9 >RTX 2070 Super - standard >RTX 2080Ti - best fit for 4K but expensive *requires complementary CPU and high Hz monitor
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync >A 250GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
That torturing feel when your computer works fine but you wanna build a new one just for the building experience.
Grayson Russell
Build them for other people?
Christopher Torres
Pretty good
Henry Smith
>blowers Just wait lol
Carter White
>Build 3600/b450 Tomahawk PC for a friend >Works absolutely fucking fine >Build a 3700x/b450 Tomahawk for your brother >60-70 degrees Celsius idle temps with fixed 1.48-1.5V voltage with no actual fix that doesn't gimp your performance Niiiiceee AMD
>Build PC for a buddy >Use second hand parts to build $300 "gaming PC's" for those with low budgets >Word gets around that you can build PC's for people and give advice >Get at least 1 request every month to build a system for someone >Earn some cash whilst doing it
Just build yourself a network user, you'd be surprised at the amount of people that can't follow a basic build guide and are willing to spend cash to have someone else do it
Nolan Parker
>not knowing how amd handles their products Did vega not give you a hint?
Parker Miller
Post build
Aiden Walker
SSDs and graphics card choices are questionable
Don't get the blower 5700XT; wait for aftermarket cards Stock cooler is fine on CPU if don't OC (which is pointless anyway)
Jackson Watson
-X processors have a 10-20 temp offset. For the life of me, I still don't understand why this is still a thing, if not optional. If and when I get Zen 2, I'll have to think long and hard of whether I would ever get an -X processor, since this shit is retarded.
Dominic Morris
Basically the reason I'm still sitting here with the 1600 (besides the fact that it does everything I need it to even at stock clocks); let the early adopters suffer the agony of the release, then upgrade when the road is paved with new BIOSes and driver updates
Chase Perez
It doesn't seem to handle the zen2 topology correctly. Nvidia's driver is multithreaded but uses user-mode scheduling. They had a problem in the past with the 3930k, 6850k, etc, Intel 6 core and higher chips. A 6850k used to be worse in games than a 4790k when it shouldn't be. Only after Zen came out did tech analysts realize that there was an issue with Nvidia's driver scheduling threads when a CPU has more than 8 threads. They found that much weaker AMD GPUs were getting better FPS, like a 295x2 beating the 1080Ti, in some games. It was because of Nvidia's driver. They fixed that, and 6900k 1600X, etc, all got a big boost. But now that the 3900X is out, we're seeing the same issue where it sometimes does worse than a 3700X... but only on an Nvidia GPU.
Nvidia will almost surely fix this within a few months like they did for Zen1. But for that matter, I wouldn't even buy a 2080Ti when better for cheaper is coming out next year. $1000+ for a gayming GPU is retarded.
>You're right, that's impossible, because the 2080Ti is around 45% faster TPU is fake. They more closely follow Nvidia's review guide than anyone in game's tested and methodology. Not an unbiased source at all. Find another source that backs up your claim. Oh wait, you can't. Even if you go by TPU, the 2080Ti is only 30% faster than the $500 2070Super. And every other reviewer has the 5700XT only 2-5% behind the 2070Super, and matching it with the cooler replaced. >blah blah it's (((only))) $1050 now Still retarded for something not used for work.
>pcpartpicker.com/list/BRgJsZ Why the 970 evo? Why only 1TB on the QLC drive? Get a 500-600W PSU. Just use the 3700X stock cooler. It's pretty good, especially given that it's a low power chip. Rest is fine.
Angel Reyes
Is there a reason to get a separate SSD (250GB M.2) and HDD (1TB) as opposed to just a larger single SSD (1TB)? Price of the 2 is about the same as the single 1TB SSD btw, so other than monies
Mobo super expensive for no reason. Also dont buy m2 unless its an end game nvme because your limited or expandability. Just buy a 2.5 ssd even if it costs a little more you will thank me later
Ayden Gutierrez
Understood I can wait for that What would be the use case for OCing anyways? Doesn't it kill the cpu?
Easton Johnson
I agree wait for the blow and sont buy a dogshit cheap mobo for a high end cpu. At least get a fullsized board
Angel Gonzalez
>TPU is fake. They more closely follow Nvidia's review guide than anyone in game's tested and methodology. Not an unbiased source at all. False, they test a wide variety of games under fair conditions. Sucks to be a fanbitch like you
>R7 3700X Drop the X, overclock manually and save a buck >2 NVME SSD's Any particular reason, or just for sheer volume? >EVGA graphics card Better have an IR scanner handy there >750W power supply Slightly overkill? (Not up to speed on RTX power draws)
Lincoln Sanders
I agree overclocking is usually dumb and overclocking a gpu is usually smart
Tyler Morales
I got it for half off at microcenter and i want a small build. Is there anything wrong with this particular cpu?
Nathan Morris
what's the cheapest mobo without needing bios update for ryzen 3600?
Logan Ward
There is no R7 3700
Jack Clark
I wouldnt spend 330 on a cpu thats going to sell for 180 in a year and a half but thats up to you. Id just get a 3600. Do you really need 16 threads?
Jaxon Jackson
???
Anthony Bell
if I get an AMD Ryzen 5 2600X will I need a watercooler because its overclocked?
Cameron Scott
In the case of an intel CPU like a 9700k or a 9900k it is not dumb though since they overclock well, the power bill depending on where you live might get spicy though if you constantly use it at full load.
Elijah Mitchell
I don't have access to it atm. Left it at bro's home.
Only passable solution so far was to disable Core Performance Boost (which is basically AMD's Turbo Boost) and shit like PBO and then do manual OC but that locks your CPU at one steady voltage but that basically removes idling which isn't great for longevity and temps. This build literally runs cooler under load when Shitzen's automatic voltage control downplays it to 1.35V. On the other hand vcore idles at whooping 1.5V and it's not just observer effect because with CPB enabled even BIOS shows 1.47V.
It's basically garbage AMD microcode and after looking up those issues existed way before on Zen's 1000 and 2000.
Tried everything else like undervolting and toying with power plan - it's simply impossible as long as you enable AMD's Turbo Boost aka CPB you risk burning up your CPU.
Noted. any suggestions? I only bought this mobo because so many people were being ASSPAINED about older chipsets on the 3700x
I'm used to jewtel hsfs so I'll consider sending it back after testing the wraith. I also considered a lower PSU but that one is 80+ plat at a very good price + evga. The evo I don't really have an excuse for other than autodesk products take 900 years to load anything.
Honestly if you arent tight for cash, you can buy a nice mobo and enjoy it. If its the cheapest one with the features you want then its likely your best bet
Nathan Peterson
the gpu is placeholder since I couldn't find FE on pcpartnigger, the psu I kept even if it's overkill since it's cheap with evga warranty and competitive with the other plats @ lower wattage
Kayden Anderson
>shitting out products with massive overvoltage to increase margins buying an amd product is essentially a lottery in terms of getting the worst bin trash that needs those volts or getting lucky and getting something that actually doesn't.
Christopher Walker
>Write in first post it was build for my brother >AMD nigger literally has a reading comprehension of an ameba and refutes my second post purposely ignoring the first one. Seriously, just hang yourself. I've had the same experience with zealous niggers at AMD forums.
Landon Flores
Where do you buy a Windows 10 key for cheap?
Nathan Ramirez
I want to stream and do other stuff on my machine. Plus I want it to last a while
Jayden Baker
Sadly that's the way it goes every fucking time. And every fucking time there's people who still buy at release.
Zachary Kelly
does this get better after a couple of months/year after initial release? looking to get me some r5 2600 so i think the building process is more consistent and optimized
Liam Richardson
I feel like this whole launch was a massive fuck up and AMD basically pushed for super aggressive OC out of the box to look better in reviews on release day while people without beastly $500 mobos and $150 coolers are basically risking frying their mobos without having an option to actually undervolt w/o losing basic functions like clock boost or voltage management based on performed load.
If you really care about streamming and how long it will last, get the 3700x. I personally dont stream and like to buy midrange and upgrade every 4 years
Matthew Fisher
Its not lmao the 2070 and the 2070s arent even the same sillicon
how do i make it so my cpu/case fans don't speed up when i do as much as open a new tab in firefox? i already have set up a fan curve, but i couldn't find any 'fan smoothing' option. mobo is b450 tomahawk.
>does this get better after a couple of months/year after initial release? it gets worse actually. Initially you get good bins mixed in, later on they get better at binning and you get only shit bins. Great example of this is people who got 2600 ryzen early, vs people who got it much later. The early adopters could find that their example hits 4.2GHZ easy on low voltages, while the later adopters after reading all the hype find that theirs is far more lack luster, with many hit a wall at 4GHZ and some not being able to boot no matter the voltage or cooling past 3.9GHZ.
John Reyes
>Go to slash gee slash minus technology to find some deeper knowledge about voltage fiasco before I buy Ryzen >Turns out the place is filled with tech illiterate retards and 14 yr old gaymen shills who haven't even heard about the issue because as long as it plays them gaymes it's all good bruh
They re-used the same cooler, because why not I just find it a bit lazy that they couldn't be bothered to use cooler without the sticker. This is probably only an issue with early models.
this a good deal? sorry I don't know how make the links smaller
Colton Parker
that's what they want you to believe literally a higher binned 2070
Aiden Cruz
seriously why does it take so long for non-reference 5700s to come out
Mason Sanchez
is it just me or has the amd shill recently gotten more bitter and angry?
Bentley Diaz
>evga takes their 2070 packaging and modifies it for the super >guys it's the same as the 2070
Michael Watson
If there is one thing you can honestly criticize AMD for it is their ability to end up with a paper launch no matter how much they promise or how hard they try.
David Brooks
The only place I can put the tower is near a radiator that will be to the rear of the case, so I was advised to get a top mounted radiator and a slightly more beefy cooling system to compensate Is this BS?
I was thinking of getting a Corsair H100i, if that matters
Nathaniel Edwards
So your retort for how their results are always outliers is that literally everyone else is an AMD shill? Because otherwise, at least 1 other major outlet would match their results.
Just use the 3700X and THEN buy a new cooler if you think you need one. You can use the wraith max as a refresh point to compare other coolers to. >I also considered a lower PSU but that one is 80+ plat at a very good price Seasonic 620W fanless is a really good one. > The evo I don't really have an excuse for other than autodesk products take 900 years to load anything. A faster SSD than an MX500 won't help that. Read/write speeds aren't the bottleneck. Maybe a PCIe 4.0 one might be faster due to the higher iop/s. Did you actually look at a test which shows a 970 evo loads autodesk shit faster than a MX500 or 860 Evo? I wouldn't believe so otherwise.
It was funny the first time, but now it's retarded.
3700X is the minimum for streaming and better than the 9900k. 3900X is better still. >pcpartpicker.com/list/jyjpq4 But yeah I'd get a better board. That one has the same VRMs as the pro4 IIRC. Not good for anything more than a 3600. I'm also not a fan of those short tower mITX cases. If you're getting mITX it should be for a "real" mITX case. Better off getting something like the Thermaltake G3 if it'll fit the GPU. Phanteks makes a nice tall tower mITX, too.
Nathan Powell
>+7% perf >le based ngreedia giving us next gen technology (and totally not a better binned 2070)
Lucas Flores
Reminds me of the AM3+ lineup, where people would put top of the line 8-core chips in cheap 880/970 boards and set the VRMs on fire by overclocking them
I barely ever bother to visit AMD product related forums if I have an issue. The amount of overaggressive nigger-like behaving apes who roam those plains, willing to shift the whole blame and fault on the user is staggering. I guess they've managed to slip into our dimension.
Cameron Johnson
Leave the thread idiot. The 2070s is 2080 silicon and the 2070 is 2060 silicon
Lucas Myers
New build, planning to get a 2080Ti: 4k 60fps or 1440p 144fps?
Jayden Gonzalez
they're all the same silicon you consumerist retard
Connor Flores
>t. retard 2070 cant sli and 2070s and 2080 can because, differenr sillicon
Ryder Cox
3440x1440 100-120Hz.
Jace Walker
>differenr sillicon ok retard
Hudson Hughes
Even if I have no desire to OC would I see a performance dip due to the mb?
I'm only asking this due to the price I got it at
Lincoln Cook
Come back any time to get btfo for talking out your ass
David Moore
Are ultrawides really all that? I feel like they're a meme. I like being able to hold the full frame in my FoV without having to move my head much.
Also would it be valid to get a dual monitor setup on the go? 1440 144Hz for fast paced games, 4k for watching movies and slow paced games?
Logan Flores
not him but if you unironically think that they didn't purposefully disable SLI and that silicon is the reason they can't SLI, then you're very naive
Samuel Butler
When will Ryzen 3000 be supported by B450/X470 boards out of box? I want to build one with 3600 as X570 boards are HEDT-tier expensive but all this talk with over-voltage and shit makes me want to hold on for a while till everything is fixed.
That doesnt change the fact that the 2070s is a 2080 die does it?
Asher Richardson
Let's just say that I'd never go back to 16:9 after jumping on 21:9 4 years ago >I like being able to hold the full frame in my FoV without having to move my head much. Most of modern UW monitors come with curved displays anyway so you get higher FoV without that fish eye effect or losing corners.
Logan Rodriguez
Because nvidis didnt last minute add sli to the 2060 die and change their manufacturing process. Obviously its a 2080 die they already had rebranded
Ethan Stewart
Just get the blower one. It's so low power that the blower is fine. It's only the XT you ought to wait for (or replace with a different GPU cooler yourself).
idk I haven't seen a board that bad tested. I know the Tomahawk is fine. But afaik the 3700X can still pull quite a bit of power in short bursts stock. Technically it should work even for a 3900X, but the board might wear out faster.
Don't bother replying to people who are trolling with objectively, easily verifiably wrong, retarded shit like that. Just report them.
When you buy one that has a "Ryzen 3000 series ready" sticker on the box, or one that says so on the online retailer. Buying only without that notified is a gamble. Hell it still is, buying 300 series boards.
Brandon White
not until new boards come out with the new bios installed
Nathaniel Hall
>The amount of overaggressive nigger-like behaving apes who roam those plains, willing to shift the whole blame and fault on the user is staggering. That happens with pretty much anything. Like a day ago there was the anti-shilling for kryonaut and even with many different reviwers saying it actually doesn't perform so great, you had kryonaut users storm in and start blaming user error on every single case where somebody went form normal paste to kryonaut and got hotter temps, then went back to their other paste and got better temps.
Gabriel Ortiz
What's the point in mITX x570? You don't get any expansion slots and no one really needs those m2 speeds.
Probably never considering the fact that there are still Ryzen 2000 owners who have that issue 2 years later.
Benjamin Jackson
Considering a GPU upgrade (currently rocking a GTX 950) i was looking heavily at the RX 580 but i've been told it get's quite hot and i have a generic case with side and back exhaust. Also was looking at the RX 570 since it's cheap but it's a Gigabyte so that's a red flag i've been told.
Joseph Lee
what is the cheapest 4k monitor that has low ms and 10bit?
Jack Rivera
580 is trash and shouldnt be recommended. Buy a 570 or pay up for a 1660ti. Gigabyte isnt a big red flag. Its fine.
Jacob Clark
get the gtx1660 or the 1660ti
Evan Morgan
to reuse the original point, the fact that the die is different means nothing for the end consumer if he's having the same perf than the older die so at this point you're just paying extras for artificial bragging rights >my gpu was made by a n(j)ewer die than your gpu
Christopher Wilson
212 black + meshify c is absolutely amazing I can't even hear my computer it's so quiet
Kayden Brooks
don't waste your time with him he's a consumerist retard
Elijah Cox
Fuck off retard
Jack Powell
>So your retort for how their results are always outliers False, but keep trying your narrative. Burden of proof is on you. Show me another average performance chart that covers ~20 games where the 2070 Super is only 2% faster than the 5700XT. Judging by the fact that you can't even quote the price of a 2080Ti correctly , you're nothing but an exaggerating fantard talking out of your ass. But hey, it's you, the former namefag, so we already knew that.
Justin Gonzalez
Absolutely worst period to buy a GPU I'm afraid.
- AMD gave us a paper launch so Nvidia wasn't forced to give us any price cuts.
- Plus it's literally 2 GPUs in rivaling with 2060-2070S so there is no chance to see any price cuts for budget & high end owners alike.
- Add the fact that due to high demand and low supply prices and lack of competition prices on most GPUs are $100-150 over MSRP and yea I think you couldn't choose worst time to buy.
