ISPs call Mozilla ‘Internet Villain’ for promoting DNS privacy

>UK
Wow. What a surprise.

This. UK, and Europe is kind of worse though, because they actually vote for it.

>huh what did those mozillatards do again
>"The UK Internet Service Providers Association"
>oooh

OY VEY GOYIM DNS PRIVACY BAD

>filtering obligations
>safety standards
God the Brits are so boring.

there is no 'right side of history', only an occult projection created by the victors to retroactively change people's mind. read 1984.

Is there any other web browsers that support ESNI?

>cuckflare
>privacy
pick one and only one

Stop posting on Jow Forums if you don't want Cloudflare to have your posting history.

That's not what he's saying. He's just pointing out that people in the west merely think they're "free" when actually being in a different type of dystopia that just pretends to be something else.

Its a mix of incompetence, nepotism and jews. Why do you ask?

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ISPs are correct that Mozilla is an internet villain, but are wrong about the reasoning.

digdeeper.neocities.org/ghost/mozilla.html

And that's not even touching on all the stuff you need to do in order for them to not datamine you.

spyware.neocities.org/guides/firefox.html

>all the stuff you need to do in order for them to not datamine you
You make it sound like it's a big deal, when it's not.
1) Make user.js and copy-paste the config presented there
2) Save and double click Firefox.exe

>.exe

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>worried about data mining
>uses wangblows
You make no sense

Awesome. Now post the mitigation guide for chrome and chromium. Oh wait...

Faster than typing "double click Firefox's executable", but there you go.

There is no datamining in Windows 7 and 8.1 after disabling it, or in the Chinese Gov version of W10 for that matter.
You're the one who doesn't make sense.

>There is no datamining in Windows 7 and 8.1
Retard.

Seriously? Iridium. Ungoogled Chromium.

>Is there any other web browsers that support ESNI?
I guess no one knows this answer.

UK industry is hamstrung by surveillance laws. The lows that the british government and press have gone to, to discourage secure DNS, is nothing short of being fucking pathetic. here's another example of retardation against privacy:
> somebody think of the children!
iwf.org.uk/news/exposing-child-victims-catastrophic-impact-of-dns-over-https
lmao.

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The UK is retarded anyway.

yes, sadly...

Usa is free. We call the UK bongistan for a reason.

People in the east also think they're "free".

dns filtering is such a fucking joke no self-respecting banana republic uses it nowadays. time to step up the game.

It is a WIP in Chrome.

> gov steps up its game to ip blocking
> its last solution
> vast amounts of servers are blocked
> be uk citizens
> continue using tor and vpn
they can't do anything. they're fucked. unless the gov starts outlawing tor, vpns and other solutions, nothing will happen.

>UK
>free
No one has ever claimed this.

>USA is free

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>2019/07/08

Better late than never, amirite? I suppose they can just make using FF illegal.

That Neocities blog is such bullshit though. Anything with an Internet conenction is "spyware" according to that faggot.

>wanting degeneracy to spread further on encrypted channels
'''freedom''' literally enslaves

That spyware page is biased garbage, especially considering they're "reviewing" old versions of it and badly at that.

It is the most free place on earth

Mozilla: pro-net neutrality
ISPs: anti-net neutrality

Mozilla: pro-DNS privacy
ISPs: anti-DNS privacy

Am I detecting a pattern here?

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That's right. And everyones traffic should be monitored and used for a social credit system like China.

this but also cloudflare is said to be helping out browsers make this possible

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Yes, corporations hate us.

>about:config
>set "network.trr.mode" to 2
If you want to use it, this is how you do it. Its not enabled by default.

I learned from a friend who work on a isp that they use dns queries to log internet usage(here in brazil by law ISPs need to keep logs for a year).

How can they be that lazy? How about torrent? Does torrent even use dns?

Even if you set it to 2 it probably isn't working. You have to set it to 3 to check if it really works on your network. For me it doesn't which is a bummer.

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the UK is a shithole, fuck them

Is Quad9 more trustworthy than Cloudflare? I've seen several people shit on cloudflare due to privacy concerns but I've seen nothing much about Quad9 other than IBM and malware blocking. It's faster than cloudflare on my end.

Read the 3 words that come after that and then kill yourself, you FUCKING retard.

In Firefox 68, you can enable it in the Network Settings at about:preferences, alternatively.

I used 3 and it seems to be working fine as long as I set it correctly. In about:networking over the DNS, everything listed is showing TRR "true".

If the UK ISPs are actively fighting against it it means it has to be a good thing, regardless of what I might think about mozilla or cloudflare.

Yeah after I posted that I checked step 4 here zdnet.com/article/how-to-enable-dns-over-https-doh-in-firefox/

Which is to set *.trr.boot* manually to 1.1.1.1 and now it works. Interesting.

but if sophos was a chinese company they wouldn't be able to publish an article about the great firewall in china

What is their end game?

Is this supposed to speed up loading for websites in any measure? I've been noticing some shit loading slightly faster and I'm sure all I've done is set it to DoH exclusively.

>What is their end game?

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welsh independence can't come soon enough

>USA is free

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Completely fake quote, download the PDF from libgen if you don't believe me.

>about:networking
I never actually looked at these before but it's surprising how many IPv6 addresses you get from DNS servers. Most websites are truly IPv6 ready. I guess that's kinda great.

with dot, esni and a cloudflare like service it becomes impossible to block a specific website

This is why the internet will die. Governments will take their countries off the grid and reduce it to fully controlled national intranet. To fight terrorism and nazis of course.

The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today's races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. [...]

Instead of destroying European Jewry, Europe, against its own will, refined and educated this people into a future leader-nation through this artificial selection process. No wonder that this people, that escaped Ghetto-Prison, developed into a spiritual nobility of Europe. Therefore a gracious Providence provided Europe with a new race of nobility by the Grace of Spirit. This happened at the moment when Europe's feudal aristocracy became dilapidated, and thanks to Jewish emancipation.

I don't like what Mozilla is doing for different reasons. I don't get why ISPs are upset. Only plausible reason I can think of would be
for now the ISPs can just say "We have the DNS filtering". Perhaps they are afraid government(s) will demand IP based filtering. That's kind of hard to do. What are you going to do if something "bad" is on Cloudflare or Amazon AWS? Make half the Internet unavailable? Wouldn't say Mozilla is a "villein" even if they fear having to do that.

>ESNI
ESNI is just a Cloudflare product which they pretend is some kind of standard. It's not.

Perhaps their bullshit filter helps people from "accidentally" stumbling over child pron - though I don't have a bullshit filter like that and I never do. It sure won't make a difference for anyone looking for that stuff. It's not like it takes much time or skill to change dns settings.

Lastly, I'd like to point out that what Mozilla is doing with Firefox here is absolutely disgusting. One day you're using your own DNS server, configured the way you like, then you upgrade and suddenly you're using Cloudflare botnet DNS and you wouldn't even know if you didn't pay attention to technology related news. Don't care about reasons, that's just unacceptable.

Name a more free place. Ill wait.

India. Not even joking. Yes, half the people there shit in the streets. And yes, the vast majority are poor. So in terms of actual practical freedom.. it's not that great. However, in terms of state intervention, regulation and laws it's a whole lot more free than the US.

>Perhaps their bullshit filter helps people from "accidentally" stumbling over child pron
no, it's a draconian filter system that incorporates piracy and any website the iwf feels like blocking. the thing with iwf is that they don't even have to go to court, they just add the site to their list and submit it.
>then you upgrade and suddenly you're using Cloudflare botnet DNS
use dnscrypt instead? it's not like you don't have choices. you have security then and your dns requests aren't going to a cancerous organization like cloudflare.

1. I don't fully disagree with the photo quote. Im just saying that its fabricated and shows up no where in the book it claims to be from.
I.e., Dont trust everything you see on pol.

2. Im mixed myself. There's blatant pro-interracial propaganda in advertising and the media. The reason for it is completely obvious, like you said.

3. you're on the wrong board

>it's a draconian filter system
Of course it is. I'm saying that their story about preventing people accidentally stumbling upon stuff is at least plausible. That it prevents those interested in forbidden content is, as I said, hogwash. It basically makes the Internet slightly harder to use.

>it's not like you don't have choices
You seem to have entirely missed the point. I am not complaining about a lack of choice. I set my OBS theme to the system theme. OBS developers decided to ship a "night mode" dark theme as default in the latest version. Upgrading OBS made it switch to black and ignore the previously set theme. Fuck that shit. New default settings are fine, but don't mess with my existing settings. That's also what Mozilla is doing with Firefox. One day you're using your own settings, suddenly you're using Cloudflare and if you know about it you can re-configure your browser so you get the settings you already had. THAT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE. Fuck that. Making it a default for new installs.. sure, that's barely acceptable. Fucking with existing configurations is not in any way shape or form.

Also, there is no defending using cloudclare's botnet as a default.

>I'm saying that their story about preventing people accidentally stumbling upon stuff is at least plausible
>accidentally
you accidentally go to a child porn site? lmao.

>You seem to have entirely missed the point.
i did fucking not. you just can't stop crying like a bitch, in a world of alternatives.
> use dnscrypt?
> BUT YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT! I WANT TO CRY ABOUT TRIVIAL SHIT THAT FIREFOX IS KNOWN TO PULL
> MUH THEME CHANGES FOR OBS!1
>Also, there is no defending using cloudclare's botnet as a default.
nobody is defending it. you have choices, faggot. you can use the software, you can consider options, but not.. it's just easier to cry and complain like a little bitch. shut the fuck up and doing something about it. software changes all the time. don't like it? don't upgrade your shit. time and time again, faggots update their shit then cry when such updates make changes. reading changelogs seems to be far too difficult for you spastic crying retards. I bet you're the same kind of faggot that lets windows auto-update then wonder why your system has died or introduced unwanted shit.

And with that perspective on the horizon, Cloudflare would just squeal and start censoring shit and refuse service for problematic sites. I don't believe Internet would actually die, the chosen ones in collaboration with governments would be allowed to broadcast worldwide.

>ESNI is just a Cloudflare product which they pretend is some kind of standard. It's not.

ESNI is not a cloudflare product. SNI = Server Name Indication was added in 2003 and it exists in order to allow a person to host multiple encrypted websites on a single IP address.

tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3546

ESNI is simply SNI, encrypted, thus the SNI is not in plaintext for ISPs or whoever to see what site you're visiting.

Exactly. Firefox can be mitigated via copying some preferences over from about:config to user.js. Chromium needs to be modified and recompiled (which results in projects like iridium and ungoogle chromium. Big difference.

If you're trying to enforce censorship with dns level blocking alone you're retarded you need to go full firewall of china and even then shit still gets through.

Are bongs seriously throwing a fit over basic security features because they love having fucked up security so they can stop people from watching porn with spanking in it?

>their
Depends really on who you mean. Bankers want to print more money, force inflation so nobody can actually save money. Other bigger countries want chaotic and destabilised EU so it cant compete with other big ones and the politicians usually want more money or they simply love telling others how they should live their lives.

There isnt really a single simple answer. Also very popular opinion about brits is that hey are simply idiots who did too much interbreeding on their tiny island for centuries resulting in various brain and body defects multipled by their extremly shit dietary habits resulting in average brits suffering from minerals deficits.

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>dns over https
>dnscrypt-proxy has been a thing for years and nobody complains even though it is far better
Proof that UK really is retarded

>Depends really on who you mean. Bankers want to print more money, force inflation so nobody can actually save money.
Bankers want rich clients. Bankers want a strong currency so that debts don't lose value because of inflation (money loses value). People saving their money is a bank's bigest line of business. The more money people have the better for the banks.

i don't know why british ISPs are so fucking villainous

You probably mean the low tier private banks. I was talking about the bankers who sits in national banks where money are printed en masse. Their biggest nightmare is rich population which only hoards money and dont buy anything.

What the ISPs and the retards in Bong government are afraid of is that it's something that can give dumb normalfags some resistance to their control and censorship without them needing to have much technical knowledge. Yeah, anyone who knows their way around basic networking can set up an encrypted resovler, and has been able to for some time. They can also figure out how to set up and use Tor, VPNs, and so on. But people like that are what, a few percent of the population? The thing that they're afraid of is that their filtering and repression might be made ineffective by "download Firefox and use that for your browser", since that's well within the realm of something the average consumer will be able to do.

Most of the Brits I know are so chill, how do they end up with politicians who are so aggressively trying to ban porn?

More consumers are opening up to the idea of switching to Firefox for control over their browsing experience. A non-techy friend of mine was watching some anime at my place and wondered why crunchyroll didn't have ads. I told him Firefox is better at blocking ads and he switched his laptop to Firefox. Feels good man.

Based, I wish I had friends

Of course, it's the UK

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Different political culture. The UK is much more collectivist and authoritarian than the USA. Banning things, restricting things, that's par the course for British politics. There are still lots of civil liberties and so on but you don't get the same attitude that you get in the US about limited government. The government is still seen as the good guy by a lot of people, although this has changed a lot in recent years. In the US even benign interventions by government are viewed with suspicion and hostility by many, but this is not so in the UK. In the UK it's the answer to problems, not the problem. Although again that is changing.

Fuck how can we get something pleasantly in-between? Government should handle infrastructure, safety (including stuff like crime, food safety, airplane safety, etc.) but leave individuals to their own devices.

I hate jews too but using fake quotes is jewery of a different kind.

The answer you are looking for is Monarchism: https:// EIGHTch dot net /monarchy/index.html

New Zealand, Switzerland, Ireland Iceland, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Norway, Finland

>inb4 muh gun

Shady businesses come up with an award. Is this important? Everyone can give awards to everyone.

Theres no objective "in between."
Eg. You cant have "safety" without restricting some liberties. Think about gun laws, the tsa, cctv, etc.

The UK and the US are both statist shitholes. At least in the US (today) you wont get jailed for "hate speach" (but you might get a friendly visit with some feds for it). Yet you can go die for Israel before you can legally have a beer.

I think the solution is a more flexible/adaptive legislative body, a more restricted/narrow executive. Based on a codified constitution.