Cars today are oversized computers, ones that are designed to be mechanically inaccessible to the regular Joe. They often require specialist tools for repairs which only the mega-corporations own. Car owners can't even tackle even a basic oil change anymore, previously the most simple of maintenance tasks. The same shit is happening to computers too. A basic understanding of the command line used to be a requirement, but today’s graphical interfaces have all but demolished that barriers to entry, meaning there are now millions of people who think clicking icons is the height of ‘programming’ expertise. Computing was once the realm of the technically minded but as technologies developed it became very easy and more accessible to the masses. This is fucking tragedy.
Cars today are oversized computers, ones that are designed to be mechanically inaccessible to the regular Joe...
Did you just wake up from 2008? You're over a decade late to this, champ. You'll be appalled to learn what a "smartphone" is.
Ummm no just get a decent odb2 scanner for like 50 bucks and assuming you don't have a car from a meme company it will tell you what's wrong with trouble shooting codes. Yes computers and sensors have been introduced to cars but for the most part they actually help you. I'm sorry you have never worked on cars in your life OP it's a fun hobby
I agree to a certain extent.
But the problem is more the assembly than the computers.
The worst time for cars is the 1990-95 because they are inbetween being complete computers and being mechanical.
They have OBD but there is no standard and they break and become useless.
The worst offender is Tesla. They are disgusting with their crap! But since they are the Mac of the car world they will set the standard and all other dumbass brands will follow.
The nice thing about cars is that they are actually usefull decades after they where made unlike computers and such.
This. Anyone who can't work on a modern car is likely a dumb cunt. ECU swaps are common, so is adding more electronics to older cars.
Why are people so scared of electronics when it comes to cars?
If you want to be able to fix your car yourself, don't buy one you can't fix. It sucks that the newest 'luxury' cars basically require manufacturer mechanics but that's the game we've got to play.
> tesla
well the upside with a tesla is that they require little maintenance to begin with and tesla provides warranty and maintenance (and i hear they have better service than most manufacturers)
The downside is when tesla goes out of business or stops caring about service, or you are out of range of tesla support.
This is why I highly recommend against the SolarCity junk, because its all proprietary and digital, so when you REALLY need support on it (I.E. mass power outage event) you are sure that you won't get it. It's just for liberal assholes that think they are saving the planet (kinda like a prius -- the hybrid car that doesn't save money)
>Why are people so scared of electronics when it comes to cars?
Because they cost a lot and people use them daily to go shopping or go to work.
In my experience, it is not the electronics that are an issue. It's proprietary parts and tools that the manufacturer refuses to sell to the public. If you own a Lexus, its likely that even a simple tire change requires going to a Lexus dealership, unless you buy their special wheel lock key, or drill the nut/bolt, have fun with that shit when you're out in the middle of nowhere.
Mechanical parts are also expensive. I'd rather deal with EFI than carbs.
You can also blame laziness but I think most of people would like to be able to fix their car themself if they weren't afraid to break something.
you can be very sure that any modern car implements iso 14229 diagnostics and iso 15765 as can on the obd2 connector
just buy some chink dtc reader/obd2 scanner and you can do shit yourself
Dude, you can just by the wheel lock key for $5 if the previous owner lost it, then swap the lugnuts out for none locked ones. Besides, didn't wheel locks die after the 90's?
>have to open the trunk every time you want to turn on/turn off the car
based apple design
Tesla drive trains have already been taken apart, put back together, and reverse engineered. You can buy salvaged Tesla parts and use them to put together kit cars or restomods.
You just don't see people generally using that knowledge on their Tesla vehicles because Tesla has not gone out of business, is in no danger of going out of business, and so few Tesla vehicles are out of their warranties yet.
There's also the issue that Tesla can remotely disable access to the Super Charging network if they detect something 'wrong' with a car, but the hold that gives Tesla over Tesla vehicles will be reduced as third-party charger networks gain similar coverage and charging performance.
>>have to open the trunk every time you want to turn on/turn off the car
>based apple design
A Windows car would need Redmond's permission to change a flat tyre.
Worse, they would initiate the tire change while you're driving down the interstate automatically. Loosening your lug nuts and disabling your steering to assist with the process.
Left should be linux and right should be windows 10
You have that backwards. 1990-1995 was the best era of cars. No obdii so safety check inspections only and electronics that were pretty dumb so you could strap a turbo on and change the ECU without a bunch of other too smart for their own good modules freaking out. Cars were lightweight and fun. Port injection so no carbon build up. Throttle cables so no ECU interference when you demand load. More rust proofing and better built than 80s cars. Tons of amazing aluminum head and iron block engines that could hold power. You have to be completely retarded to think this wasn't the best era of cars. You could only argue it extends until the switch to direct injection and the removal of throttle cables (early 2000s).
Electronics are considerably less likely to fail compared to mechanical parts though. Electronics can pretty much only fail when you aren't maintaining the car properly and then you're equally if not more likely to have serious mechanical problems
Cool story OP. I read the torrent freak article too.
>mostly slow af (you know it's true)
>almost none have heated seats
>no digital climate controls
>bad suspension era
>horrible side impact and rollover safety, often lacking any airbags whatsoever
>even ABS not universally standard
seriously let these cars be in the past. They are unsafe shitheaps
By that logic, just let cars in general be in the past where they belong. Computers are more predictable than humans, therefore they are safer.
Just pay a certified technician to fix your shit. Better yet, just get a personal transport subscription service so you have all of the convenience with none of the maintenance burden.
Shit rebuttal. Argument in bad faith attempting to ignore any nuance.
Enjoy rolling over in your 93 camry and having your head turned to jelly
Kill yourself dumb luddite
man have you ever worked on a car. they're all inaccessible to the average joe. want to change a ball joint? good luck without a press. or even changing a clutch, or a rear differential, or whatever. unless you have access to tons of tools, you're shit out of luck, and honestly you can do all the same work on a modern car but you'll need all the tools for the OLDER car too. how do you thin k techs work on them? they don't have anything special except for a little computer that they will give you access to
Which is why I'm rocking a 2003 Ford Taurus.
Forget modern cars with all their electrical doodads. A 1994 Celica is the only car you'll ever need.
>heated seats
Your 2nd argument is something that is not even needed for cars. Are you that much of a mom driver that if your car isn't some speedy auto-drive tesla that it is automatically bad?
wait till you discover motorbikes
I can do most maintenance in my '18 Mazda 3 just fine.