Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 3200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU >R7 1700X - Budget video editing >R9 3900X - Professional tasks
RAM: >Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks ONLY for a typical dual channel CPU >CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 or Micron E-die ("AES" in code) recommended >AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP >B-die is EOP, stock is limited
GPUs based on current pricing: 1080p >RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale/used for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost >GTX 1660 - higher fps / more demanding games >RX 5700 - even higher FPS 1440p >RX 5700 - basic >RX 5700XT - standard 2160p (4K) >RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing performance scales better into 4K than Navi does. >2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive
>Navi AIB models come mid-August. 5700 blower is alright, due to low power.
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Yes, adaptive sync (free/g/sync) is important >SSD Guide (250GB+ SATA bare minimums): i.imgur.com/79MYtoE.png >NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming >"Bottleneck checker" sites don't work >Don't use Speccy >AM4 VRMs + Monitors under "more"
My 3200 RAM is showing up as 2333 in the bios. Would it be safe to just crank it up to 3200 or should I do it incrementally?
William Hill
It's physically impossible to damage your components by increasing the frequency, only by increasing the voltage can you do damage.
Unless you have some kind of feature enabled that automatically increases voltage, but don't enable anything like that
Also, you need to enable your XMP profile. All RAM is like that. No RAM just automatically works at its rated speed for some dumb reason, you have to manually switch XMP on
Parker Reyes
Have you set your XMP profiles?
Gavin Moore
>muh view angle can't you niggers just move the screen?
any ASUS or ASrock b450/x470 user here? how are the bios updates for zen 2?
Christopher Morgan
No I didn't know that was a thing. Thank you friendo.
Jaxson Murphy
>Accidentally bought a b450 that was in the top tier vrm list only because it had wifi on it. I'm going to tell everyone I did it on purpose and you can't stop me.
Hunter Morgan
Is the blower the only problem with the 5700s right now or are there are other issues?
For gaming only, is a 9700k worth getting over a 3600 or 3700x? It seems to get better framerates all around but I imagine the AMD stuff will catch up once games start incorporating multi-threading more.
Luke Sanchez
>buy well priced ram on Amazon >buy refurbished mobo on Amazon >get refunded on both FUCK AMAZON, I finally found the same mobo today for almost the same price (X470 Taichi for 189€), and 4x8 3600 CL18 for 200€. Not the best deals, but it's something. The Taichi is t topology, so it should do great with 4x8gb ram. Is there any specific guide to overclock these kind of ram/mobo combination? I will be using a 3700X.
Brody Thomas
reminder that 2400mhz dual rank beats 4000mhz single rank
>For gaming only, is a 9700k worth getting over a 3600 or 3700x? Yes, and this won't change
Gabriel Morales
Did I fuck up by buying a 4x8gb set of ram for my 3700x?
Anthony Perez
Not really
It's not a quad channel chipset so you won't get quad channel speeds, but you can use the full 32gb as dual channel
Jackson Price
No, what gave you that impression? 2x16gb has goes for a little cheaper, performance wise you're gucci.
Xavier Rodriguez
No. 3700X > 9700k even for pure gaming. The 9700k stutters in some games like far cry 5. Also the 3700X seems to be better when GPU bottlenecked, at least with an AMD GPU. Haven't seen to really tested much with Nvidia GPU.
>Yes, and this won't change Blatant troll. You fucktards said that about the 7600k vs 1600X, and look where we are 2 years later with the 7600k being unplayable in a lot of games and the 1600X still fine.
Isaac Rivera
>3700X > 9700k even for pure gaming. You're delusional.
Levi Cruz
The "once games start incorporating multi-threading more." argument has been floating around for a long time. Buy what's good now.
Leo Taylor
3600 = 3700x = 3900x for gaming
Anthony Baker
>look where we are 2 years later with the 7600k being unplayable in a lot of games and the 1600X still fine Are you assuming the 9700K is going to also have a fuckton of security flaws and get raped by mitigations? Not saying it's impossible or even unlikely since it's still on the flawed arch, but it's still an assumption.
And it's been true for a long time. Try using a single core. it's unusable. 4c/4t CPUs stutter like mad and 4/8 cpus are next in line. hexacore is the minimum now.
Hell bulldozer which was absolute trash at release rivals sandy bridge in modern games. That's a huge gap bridged.
Logan Wright
I figured as much. Is Amazon's ~$360 price here to stay or is this a typical sale price for them? I want to wait a month or two before buying and don't want to spread out the purchases in case anything's doa.
Ayden Hall
Google its model number and "dual rank"
Tyler Peterson
Intel CPUs never go on sale even for holidays. They only decrease in price when new stuff comes out, but that's not guaranteed.
Noah Gonzalez
Remember 2017? >4 cores is all you need! Who won out on that one?
Owen Stewart
pcpartpicker.com/list/msspq4 rate my build, upgrading from i5-6500 and 480 rgb was also planning on getting a ben q XL2411P drives and ram are gonna be the same would a windows 10 reinstall be best?
Brandon Flores
Why not just buy a 6700?
Gavin Baker
Bros how the FUCK do I keep this fucking Ryzen cpu from getting hot in the summer.
Parker Young
Buy an intel.
Jack Lopez
Get a cheaper CPU cooler and a B450 motherboard. Replace 1660Ti with RX 5700.
Yes, reinstall Windows from scratch.
Adam Morgan
I have a Intel 530 series SSD. The 4k random reads on new NVME drives in my price segment do 75–90pc better in this area. Will the improved cold boot times and application loading times be noticeable?
In other words, go from 120gb SATA drive to 1TB SATA m2, or go to 512gb NVME instead?
Isaac Collins
Undervolt. Unless you got shat upon in the silicon lottery it will actually hit higher boost clocks than stock at -0.1V offset.
William Watson
I would either skip the CPU cooler OR upgrade to NH-D14 because a noctua is an investment you can use for many future builds, and you might as well spend a little more to get the best one.
the motherboard is overkill. get a b450 or x470. Maybe upgrade CPU instead?
James Clark
If you have to ask you won't notice. NVME does *NOTHING* for OS boot, game/application loading.
Matthew Ward
Post proof of purchase.
This is so fucking disingenuous when intel are the housefires these days.
Daniel Russell
My i5 idles at room temperature.
Colton Jones
Is a noctua d15 overkill or overpriced? I'm between that and a cheaper scythe mugen/ninja.
Nathan Cox
Why the fuck do BIOS become impossible to access once you boot from an SSD? You would think a solution to this would be commonplace.
Nathan Russell
Depends on your CPU I guess. If you're rocking a 3900x/9900k by all means get one.
>Hell bulldozer which was absolute trash at release rivals sandy bridge in modern games. That's a huge gap bridged. Can I get some source on that? I don't accuse you of lying. I'm just curious.
Adrian Lee
There are other issues everybody hopes will be fixed with the next update, crashing, bad speeds/lag in certain games
Josiah Parker
>fc That's such a yummy looking cherry you picked.
looking at older mobos rn flashback is fairly easy i'd imagine? also should i wait for after market 5700's? gonna start buying stuff in the fall
Jonathan Gomez
Literally no
Jason Johnson
The blue thing on your chart is Intel
Michael Lee
Post proof of purchase for your ryzen or troll
Christopher Gray
get a dark rock pro 4 with same performance and better optics for 10 bucks less
Noah Sanchez
In all honesty I don't think it's worth upgrading from what you currently have to what you plan on. A 3700x/9700k with a beefy GPU would make sense but going from midrange stuff into newer midrange stuff is not worth spending $1200 in my opinion. I'd say get a new graphics card only, either a 2060S or 5700XT aftermarket one and wait out on the rest.
It's amazing, isn't it? Ask any intel user what their idle temps are and they'll all say the same thing: room temperature with the dollar store stock cooler that came with it. It's a perfectly mundane and unexceptional fact to an intel user and not something to get excited about. But to AMD users, who usually idle at around 50-60c with a 100 dollar Noctua cooler that had to be shipped all the way from Austria, this is so preposterous, so unthinkable, that they'll refuse to believe it and will even get mad at you if you insist that this is true, because they can't even imagine that such a thing could be possible.
Dylan Jackson
What the fuck is this trying to say Why is it in % differences and not just the actual fps Sketchy af
I'll make it easy for you: You are cherrypicking the game everyone knows intel does that best at and amd does the worst at. It's not a representative benchmark at all.
Both of the rainbow six benchmarks you posted ( and this youtube one) are fake.
This is why I don't like AMD: weird, cultish behavior from its customers
Henry Moore
>pay more to get less What's up with the 0.1% minimum of 3900x compared to 3700x and the overall performance difference between 9700k & 9900k?
Jackson Wilson
Look at Ryzen's 1% mins in your chart.
Jonathan Green
So I put my new PC together. Howeverm when I try to boot I get a yellow "DRAM" light on my mobo.
When I use one of my sticks in any of the four slots a lone my PC's "case" won't boot, the CPU fan spins up but none of my case fans spin up, this occurs in each slot.
When I use my other stick of RAM everything on the case "works" but I get the yellow DRAM LED and I get no post, or picture.
Will the 3600 be ok for gaming and some streaming for the foreseeable future? Also planning on getting a b450 board, thinking that, if needed, I could always grab an 8 core ryzen 4000 part
Ok I have a stupid question which I'm sure yall are used to dealing with, so sorry.
I'm just trying to penny pinch and get a new hard drive because I've filled all mine up with stupid shit I don't want to get rid of, so on to #5
I was just going to get another WD blue, but when looking around I noticed the WD Re datacenter drive is the same fucking price, but from what I can tell at least, just flat out better.
Am I just missing something? Why are they the same price?
I'm probably just going to fill it with stupid shit honestly, maybe my steam blacklog who knows.
Currently I have 1 TB WD blue x2 500 GB Samsung 4 TB Seagate hybrid
The Samsung doesn't have anything really important on it, I kinda just want to see how long it takes to fucking die because I've had it for as long as I can remember, it's off the PC I had when I was like fucking 11. Currently: Power On Count 10387 times Power On Time 2238.5 days
Lincoln Wood
Fuck the Wraith Prism is extremely loud. If I wanted one of the be Quiet CPU coolers would I need to snag the whole heatsink + fan or is there such thing as just the fan that I can get?
Yes? The chart I posted said average. Minimums =/= average. As for 9700k/9900k, no idea.
Jacob Rogers
The minimums is what matters.
Owen Nelson
Is the ASRock X570 Phantom a decent board? IT's cheap and has 8x sata ports which should be the minimum a new board should have. 6x sata is so stingy.
Anthony Anderson
There's a reason we don't trust you.
Joseph Robinson
>spend 50€ more for no reason at all instead of saving that to get a better ram or cooler or CPU If it fails somehow, I can just tell Amazon and they should supply a new one.
>Average of 12 reviewers >CHERRY PICKS CLICKBAIT UNBOXED Holy fuck intcels are so retarded with their shilling and projection. They're the ones who cherry pick and accuse of others of it when they average out 29 games across a DOZEN sources.
Brody Garcia
>AmdTechTips
Why do you keep doing this?
Andrew Rodriguez
Called it. Get rekt, nerd.
Adam Carter
Now show the input lag you get with AMD vs Intel
Jack Sanchez
>Only minimums matt- >Oy vey minimums no longer matter Potterry
Cameron Martin
I'm absolutely fine in all my games at 4c/4t though, and I've played a handful of big AAA games of the past couple of years perfectly stable 60fps
Andrew Davis
Amd has anti-lag, intel/Nvidia doesn't. Try harder shill.
Imagine lagging so badly that you actually need to develop some sort of anti-lag technology and be forded to advertise it because it's a well known issue among your consumers
Luke Green
>flashback is fairly easy i'd imagine
It depends on the MOBO, some require a CPU already installed to update the BIOS. In that case, you can request a free CPU from AMD, update and send it back.
No idea how much time it takes, shipping and all, but it sounds like a pain in the ass. A friend of mine is building a new PC these days and bought an MSI B450 Carbon AC (msi.com/Motherboard/B450-GAMING-PRO-CARBON-AC) just because you can update it with no CPU installed.
>also should i wait for after market 5700's
If you can wait, yes. With good cooling, you can get a ~20-25% overclock it seems. But you can also get one now, and then install an Accelero Twin Turbo or something, if you don't mind taking your GPU apart.
>gonna start buying stuff in the fall
I should have read the whole thing before answering... in that case you can wait for B550 motherboards, which should support Ryzen 3000 from the get go. No idea when they will be released, I'm guessing in a couple of months.
Elijah Martin
I just want to say how amazed I am by your shilling skills. Some AMD Pajeet was complaining about high temperatures and somehow you ended up spamming charts from LinusShillTips as a result of that
Joshua Peterson
>720p I fucking hate e-sports fags.
Hudson Harris
Does AMD shill-kun ever sleep? Like I swear he monitors /pcbg/ 24/7. I hope AMD is paying him well, he is very dedicated.
Carson Perez
how much does the 5700 benefit from pci-e gen4? the b450 is gen 3 right?
Isaiah Howard
Hey guys, I ordered these parts yesterday and just realised that the ssd is not nvme. I have cancelled it as I can get something 3 or 4 items faster for a very similar price. What should I get that would be compatible with my motherboard in the 60 - 75 bong price range?
