MacOS

>RAM hog

whats it like in 1997?

All modern OSes take advantage of ram by filling as full as possible at all time. Empty ram is wasted ram.

>a BSD backend
Wrong; it's a hybrid backend of BSD & NeXTstep, which is essentially Darwin.

You must be upset over the truth of the matter. Please refrain from posting anymore defensive faggotry; just listen to what everyone else has to say are the reasons why macOS and Apple in general have such lousy products.

Hardly matters. It works for most things with minor tuning.

you havent pointed out a single flaw in the os. just anger and name calling in your posts.

>proper R&D to understand what customers want/need
Not to troll but yonestly, when did mac give a fuck about what clients want.
In 1984 maybe.

No its not, i have 16 gb in my imac and it barely ever goes above 8 gb

Imagine being this retarded
MacOS needs like a minimum of 8 GB of ram to be functional
I can have a fully functional and featured desktop with Budgie on Arch linux and idle at like 600 mb of ram. Fuck off.

>Too illiterate to read
>Still too retarded to understand how poor R&D & poor business planning translates to a defective end product
>Hurr dat hurtses muh feels
Typical iToddler getting BTFO

>terrible battery performance
are you retarded? my macbook pro lasts me 8 hours with heavy usage

>mac os needs a minimum of 8gb of ram
This just proves you have no idea what youre talking about

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You can always tell who the actual users are, we all seem to have the same complaints...

core software can be a bit shit or just buggy
diskutil got retarded

As I said, they seem to be getting more and more eager to pull features out, and I am getting nervous that one of those will be something like spaces that I actively use the fuck out of.

Enjoy your battery explosion.

You obviously don't use it.

nice, now you can stare at the idling 600 megabytes ram all day

I've used Linux, Windows, and MacOS extensively, here are my nitpicks:

Ancient OpenGL version, restricts certain specialised 3D software

Finder is too simplistic and doesn't have advanced features

Some keyboard shortcuts are odd (like indenting), though copy/paste is more comfortable

Multiple window management of the same application is clunky, the dock is more simplistic than the options of Windows taskbar

Apple's version of Aero snap is inferior to Windows, and by default they want software to run full screen

Apple doesn't care about breaking support for software in OS changes, very different to Windows philosophy

If a feature of MacOS doesn't work, such as iCloud syncing, you get very little information to fix it

ME DUMB ME CANT ARGUE ME HATE APPLE
enjoy your shitty thinkpad

Use MacOS Sierra on a laptop with 2GB or even 4GB of ram. I fucking dare you. I work at an Apple store and when we have people need that OS reinstalls on computers with less than 8 GB we don’t give them anything newer than Sierra because of the shit performance with that amount of ram. Fuck off retard. Apple’s documentation is full of lies

should been around for the PPC days...my G4 ibook had simply epic battery life. 6-hours with wifi on 12+ hours with wifi off. That was HUGE back then.
They actually lost quite a bit of battery efficiency in switching from PPC or x86

Use MacOS Mojave*

This is the last good MacOS version.

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Last point - I do not know the exact point of iCloud sync as I do not use that, but I am pretty sure it would shit all over console at debug levels if you looked.

Pretty much everything does. All the time... constantly.

>t. I can't replace my battery when I see my Macbook Air expanding and cracking open
ThinkPad batteries exploded in IBM or Lenovo's lifetime: 0

The switch to Intel is what killed Apple's computer market, pretty much. That's why you see deprecated ThinkPads flying off of eBay like hotcakes, instead of Macbooks flying off the shelves (in a non-explosive sort of way).

hmmm given the way apple is with specs...my guess is that machines with less than 8GB of ram are
1. Older machines
2. have spinning hard drives.
Those are the reasons there are performance issues....not the amount of ram itself. Low ram means more paging, and paging a spinning drive sucks no matter OS you use.

But you know all of that, because you work at an apple store right?

Macfag here, I've used Macs on and off since 2011 and as my daily driver since 2014/
MacOS is alright, it's unix and 90% of the time it'll do the job, but for that last 10% of the time it's fucking shit.
Either unix/linux software will compile first time, every time, or no amount of fucking around will ever get it to work.
I keep a minimum debian VN on my machine that I wake up when I need it, if I'm out and about, otherwise I'll just run whatever on my server.
Having 1GB of RAM set aside for Debian and 4GB aside for running a windows VM (Because nintendo dev and their compilers are windows only), on a laptop with 16GB RAM, still leaves 11GB for everything else (video editing, 3D modelling, programming, etc)
Things are pretty much alright in that regards
As for Modern MacOS, the usual deal is that when a new version comes out, I'll download it, then throw the installer on my server and leave it there forever.
Some versions are absolute fucking shitshows, that most pro's will either skip, or say "Fuck it, I'm not budging an inch. Give me back my fucking features or this'll be the last Mac I buy"
Sometimes the next version will fix it, sometimes not.
For many, they simply won't update to 10.15, it's taken out too much shit, broken too much shit, and offers fucking nothing in return
Using your iPad as a digitiser to draw furry porn? Is that what Apple thinks its pro users fucking want these days?
Fuck me dead.
Other shit like going "We're adding kext signing so fuck your compatibility layers, fuck your filesystems, fuck your OS plugins, fuck everything", then doubling down with system integrity protection while you haven't even fucking fixed the ability to disable kext signature enforcement, and now, FUCKING NOW, dumping the whole OS in a read only partition. Great fucking time to try switching everyone away from 32 bit, good job.
Too much shit stacked up like this is just a fucking pain.

Aren't they dropping 32 bit support soon in MacOS? Don't know how much software this realistically affects, in iOS they killed thousands of pieces of software with this move, some paid, don't know how they got away with it.

Macs have shipped with SSDs for years you fucking retard.

idk about that but ubuntu already did lol

man thinkpad is the best that's why in almost every tech place you will see people using them everywhere i go i see thinkpads they must be so good

They dont all ship with SSDs right now.

Depends how you define years. I own a Mac Mini, from around 2014 possibly. It has a 5000rpm HDD, and became very slow after Apple switched to APFS (which I think expects an SSD).

Need to upgrade to a SSD but I'm reluctant to spend money.

My 2010 MBA works perfectly fine with 4gig and has for awhile on both sierra and high sierra.

"I work at an apple store" Then you should certainly be more and used to telling people they need to buy a new computer, because it is all that shit hand book of yours tells you to do.

The OS has been steadily eliminating features in order to become more iOS-like.
Killing Finder's snap-to-grid feature was the last straw for me.

I hope your laptop dies so I can personally tell you your repair will be $1200

1TB Sata SSD is like $100 bucks now.
That will go a long way to making that mac mini usable for the forseable future

if your laptop dies send it to Louis Rossman

You have to buy it from apple or you get no trim support

cont
>It’s a RAM hog
Then people like this show up and spout everything they think they know about what makes an OS bad.
The memory management in OSX is one of the reasons I love it so much.
It using 1GB at boot may be more than most, so you could say it's "Bloated", but the way it manages memory compression and swapping makes up for that tenfold.
On a system with 16GB of physical memory I'll often be running with up to 50GB of used application memory with no more than 2-5GB actually swapped out on disk, compression handles the rest.
In this day and age, memory compression is a fucking godsend, and MacOS does a great job of it. It's one of the few things that I actually think would justify calling it an "advanced OS"
"Terrible battery performance"
I can't speak for the newer Pro devices, but my 2017 model year 12" macbook, idling, with the screen on, battery charged, draws 2-3 watts from my power adaptor
Light web browsing or video playback will rarely get over 7 watts, simply programming will usually float around 5 watts, heavy workloads will go up to maybe 10 watts and thrashing the CPU will peak at 15.
With 40 watt hours, that's a good 4 hours of heavy workload, 8+ of programming. That's all I fucking want, and nothing else has provided this performance.
I've got it in a case with a 26Ah battery pack, giving it an extra 100 watt hours, it'll run off the pack till the packs flat then off its own battery, and it has never used more than half of the pack so far, even when I haven't plugged the system in for a number of days
Stop exagerating nigger, here's a headless server. Not even using 3GB, and it's been spun up and idling for god knows how long

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Damn you got a minor case of severe brain damage

See That screenshot's a 2010 Mac Mini with 6GB of RAM, only using 2.5GB, running 10.14 just fine.
It's acting as my file server, time machine target for all my devices, as well as iTunes wifi sync target for WiFi backups of iOS devices, and handles some website scrapers I have running.
None of my VM's are spun up because I don't need them, but when they are, it hardly uses more than 4GB of ram.

and if you worked at an apple store you'd know people bring in old computers with spinning drives all the time

>All these seething mactoddlers angry over the truth that their bloated ifruit OS is a bloated mess with terrible RAM and power management.

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OpenGL should have died in 2005. No one should mourn it.

thats some fake news

Literally shat out by an army of Pajeets.
Shit performance.
Shit drivers.
Shit compatibility.
Shit optimization.
Shit security.
Just complete shit.

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They have one of the highest R&D budgets in the world.
Mojave and Catalina both implement many requested features by users.
iOS 13 is going to be the best version since iOS' inception with iPadOS being a much asked for feature.
Apple new's login system is objectively the best form of login for privacy conscious users.
The iPad Pro is a marvel of engineering, having one of the best LCD panels in the world and is the most powerful tablet in the world, having pencil support that rivals that of dedicated tools specifically for art (Wacom devices).
iOS is far more optimised than Android, with vastly better RAM management and battery life with smaller batteries.
I'd say they're spending their R&D budget quite well, but of course armchair experts on Jow Forums would know better than a company led by people who brought its value to a trillion dollars a few times.
>iJeet
Pic related.

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doesn't fucking matter
macos is just like all those other shitty systems
everything is garbage
world is fucked
kill everyone itt
fucking saged and hidden and reported to mods

Street shit harder iJeet.

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>The iPad Pro is a marvel of engineering
My mother, who can barely operate a computer and just wanted to set up gmail, bricked hers after 2 hours of using it.

>They have one of the highest R&D budgets in the world.
And can't even handle security as simple as not allowing people to login as the root account by simply leaving the password box blank and pressing enter twice. Apploo is a fucking joke.

pajeets are not capable of making something as nice as appkit, uikit, metal or swift
performance is good
drivers just work
optimized nicely (no pajeets touch code)
security not worse than any windows or linux shitbox

appkit, uikit, metal and swift were all shat out by an army of pajeets like yourself
that's why pajeetOS has such shit performance, shit drivers, shit optimization, and non-existant security

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And how did she manage that?

>overheats
>Bad to no quality control
>no window manager/snapping/tiling
>no copy/ create new context menu
>literally hides everything from you
>uninstalling programs is a mess

She probably installed a malware killswitch, Apple calls them updates.

So you're full of shit, got it.

maybe one day you'll have seamless light/dark themes when winjeets, and linjeets stop hardcoding everything

see

>brick ipad while logging into email
No, that didnt happen.

Maybe one day people won't be able to log in to your pajeetOS by typing root and pressing enter twice.

retard, that was fixed almost instantly, go read up cwes for linshit, systemd, wincrap, no security found on your shitbox

>left open for 10 years
>b-b-b-but they finally fixed it!!!
t. iJeet

citation, your shit on the street, pajeet

>doesn't allow for Vulkan
Oh but gaming on MacOS!

It's pretty slow and buggy

Nice English iJeet.
How many weeks of ESL have you taken?

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nice comprehension skills, pajeet

Nice try pajeet vindaloo

>pajeetOS
>security
good joke

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>third party crapware
i bet you have ccleaner installed

Dock based GUI are pretty but rather useless after the novelty wears off.

If you want some unix base to things BSD or Linux will do you better. For that matter if you have to learn a new OS may as well use one of those and get more out of it.

They piss off a lot of manufacturers so support on some features is terrible.

The default browser is amazingly worse than IE/Edge which as much as I've blasted that over the years I never thought I would see worse.

The legendary stability and performance they got known for was more they came back swinging in the days of Vista and used SSD tech commonly when others didn't. It wasn't magic of better software it was using a better piece of hardware in an age of 5400 rpm shit ass laptop drives.

I just fail to see the point outside of it being less scary to try for the average person than some pretty and friendly linux distro. I can get something similar with less limitation and I never really liked Final Cut even in its glory days so eh?

>iPajeet defends pajeetOS
like pottery

My MBA idles around 3-4Gb ram, with 17 tabs open in Safari it is the same. With Firefox the resource consumprion skyrockets with just one tab.

>wincuck keeps posting irrelevancies that are possible on any os because most applications are not sandboxed

This. Why would anyone run pajeetOS on Pajeetbook housefires when they can install linux on real hardware?

because in the end macos is the best desktop os

>pajeetOS
>best desktop os
you aren't even trying street shitter

That’s mostly on old spinning drives rather than RAM

>ram hog
not really unless you're an autist. macos deliberately uses all of your ram at all times. it'll cache in certain programs, documents, and other things so that you can use your computer even more quickly, when you open something that isn't cached it can clear the right amount of space in the ram that it doesn't need and then load in the correct things without a performance hit. retards that think that ram has to be empty and don't actually do anything productive with their computer rather than staring at how low their ram usage is are autists.

I've got a few questions for mac users if any would be kind enough to answer, particularly programmers. I've never used a mac in my life
>is the dock a fixed feature or can you remove/customize it at all? to what extent?
>how is support for a keyboard centric workflow - what are keybind options like and relevant settings/pages
>I've read that because it is also a unix based OS, 95% of software/tools at least for programming/development are interchangeable with linux. how true is this? what managers and repos are available?
>MacOS utilises RAM in the same way as Windows 10 - using as much as possible at any given time for caching to allow quick access to everything running, and frequent use of SWAP. does typical business usage (office programs, web browsing, remote access and conferencing) all work well within the 8gb models?
cheers

on the same hardware performance is worse than windows, linux, or even less fucked bsd forks. like run superpi in mac os and then install linux and run superpi again. linux will be close to 10% faster for any given calculation.

>RAM Hog

Wrong. I use Parallels and it doesn't even put a dent on my 32GB RAM.

Glad I didn't get the 64GB RAM for the mac mini

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unused ram is wasted ram

yes

As for RAM pressure

tldr winbabby gaymers again don't know what they're talking about.

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A manchild OS for manchild losers.

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>display
>battery life
>trackpad
>speakers
>build quality
>form factor
can you name me some devices comparable to the mbp 13? I can think of the dell xps 13 (common coil whine, very small screen due to aspect ratio, bad audio, otherwise about the same) and x1 carbon (overall superior but has a BAD parts lottery for keyboard and fans)

>can you name me some devices comparable to the mbp 13?
A stick of dynamite.

so no then

>Apple prides itself on having a secure market for "Apps" so much so that you are screamed at by the OS for going outside their appstore
>Their appstore ships malware even after their precious sekkrit vetting process.
Pretty irrelevant though right?