/pcbg/ - PC Building General

Motherboard stability survey edition, VOTE if you have a Ryzen 3000 system:
strawpoll.me/18384387

>Assemble a part list
pcpartpicker.com/
>Example gaming builds and monitor suggestions:
pcpartpicker.com/user/pcbg/saved/
>How to assemble a PC
youtube.com/watch?v=69WFt6_dF8g

Want help?
>State budget & CURRENCY
>Post at least some attempt at a parts list
>List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work
>For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)

CPUs based on current pricing
>Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS)
>R3 3200G - Minimum 30-60fps gaming. The stronger 3400G sells for $150. (R3K APUs OCs better than R2K)
>R5 2600 - 60fps+ gaming CPU with great value
>R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU
>R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU
>R7 1700X - Budget video editing
>R9 3900X - Professional tasks

RAM
>Do not use a single DIMM. 2 sticks for a typical dual channel CPU
>CPUs benefit from fast RAM; 3200CL16 or Micron E-die ("AES" in code) recommended
>AMD B & X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
>B-die is EOL, stock is limited

GPUs based on current pricing
1080p
>RX 570/580 8GB - Can be found on sale/used for cheap. Look for 570s which are >1240MHz boost
>(GTX 1660TI @ ~$230/Vega56 @ ~$270) - higher fps / more demanding games
>RX 5700 - higher FPS
1440p
>RX 5700 - standard, 75-100FPS+
>RX 5700XT - higher fps
2160p (4K)
>RTX 2070S OC - budget option. Turing scales better into 4K than Navi does.
>2080Ti - best for 4K but expensive

>Navi AIB models come mid-August. 5700 non-XT blower is alright, due to low power.

General
>Yes, adaptive sync (free/g/sync) is important for gaming
>NVMe isn't better than SATA SSD for gaming
>Don't use Speccy
>Don't trust sites which rank CPUs by arbitrary, obfuscated scores
>AM4 VRMs + Monitors + SSD Guide under "more"

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Avoid Corsair PSUs

>Why are blower cards still a thing?
Cheap (though the RX 5700 has a vapor chamber...) and they work fine in tiny cases.

Eh it's not weird. It makes sense.
Nvidia can sell cards directly on their website, and sell ones with pretty good reference coolers, which steps on their partners toes, but they have a dominant position in the market.
The AIB partners hate this. It gives them extremely serious competition over the usual competition they have with the other AIB partners. But the alternative is to stop selling Nvidia cards at all.

No it doesn't. But x570 is really a waste if you don't need all those PCIe lanes.

how are we supposed to know whether you'd rather have mATX or ATX? Answer that your fucking self holy shit.

Yeah it's fine for the 3700X but not really enough for the 3900X.

And thermaltake.

Had no problems with my EVGA for 3 years.

no

He's right. I had a corsair PSU 80+ rated and 6 months of use smoke started coming out of it.

>how are we supposed to know whether you'd rather have mATX or ATX? Answer that your fucking self holy shit
i'm ok with both
but mortar has an additional m.2 slot while tomahawk has two additional sata slots

Windows 10 doesn't even have a good mascot-tan, sasuga.

>2160p (4K)
>RTX 2070S OC
Is this actually true?

no
2080ti is more like it

EOL is the dumbest meme on the planet

i want to nakadashi nanami-chan

how do i overclock my 2600??

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And the 5700/XT is only a 1440p option at 60hz.

Can someone explain to me the whole micron e-die/b-die with RAM. What should I be looking for?

Are older hardware questions welcome here? I want to upgrade an old Turion TL-56 (1.8GHz) but I'm not sure how big to go. TL-66 (2.3GHz) is about the top I can find for the socket but at $50 is that really worth it when TL-60 (2.0GHz) is like $12? How noticable is 300 MHz?

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Hello Jow Forums
My cousin needs a hackintosh for app development.

I know that generally Ryzen is better for productivity, compiling and such.
I was thinking of a R7 3000 series.
But how are the compatibility issues? Am i better off with Intel for this purpose? Thanks in advance.

Already posted yesterday, but I haven't give enough info, hope someone can enlighten me.
Same graphics card, (same psu) same core/memory clock, same driver, same windows version, old build had a 4670k and 8gb of ram ddr3 1600mhz, new build 3700x that can boost at 4,38 16gb of ram ddr4 3200mhz.

What can cause such a difference in graphics score ? I tried everything but I can't never ever achieve that old graphics score, is something related on how cpu and ram communicate with the graphics card ? Does firestrike hate AMD ?

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oh wow how nice of user to set up a dry ice cooling setup!

actually thats the foam on fire isnt it

Should I wait for the non-blower RX 5700 or order my build now?

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poorly id say, tasks would end faster, but not signifcantly so because IPC doesnt translate in 100% gains, you might be looking at something close to 10~12% speed gains instead of something close to 17% of the 3000mhz more

plus you would need to find it used. thats a real bad issue with it out of lack of warranty alone

if you really want to have a real upgrade it might be possible to buy cheap options today that will blow the fuck out of that. i have seen sbc from intel with celeron, 2c4t of 2.3ghz for a total of ~175 usd

> the top I can find for the socket but at $50 is that really worth it
Top of the line always costs much more. Compare, for example, i7-2600K vs i7-3770K: no perf difference, 3770k has to be delidded, yet it costs $120 vs $73. IMO TL62 or TL64 are good enough.

can this old boy handle a 3900X?

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ordered most of my parts recently and will wait for partner cards

parts arrive 1.8-20.8 so i'm hoping to get my 5700 xt on 20th

Yes, for sure

>kryonaut
the autist will turn up soon

also
>EKWB res in the back
kys

Non OC, yes

id wait. dont gamble with blowers

tl dr i5 has little core, and other system shit forces it to do things, thus it divides its processing with other shit. this is why you hear intlel has spikes in the fps

altho you might need to update or downgrade the driver to something compatible with the i5? kinda weird to have that warning there

latency of communication between cpu and gpu
3700x uses chiplets which make the manufacturing cost cheaper but add substantial latency when cores from different chiplets communicate as opposed to an all in one system

Anyone here with a 2600/1660ti?

Mine's clocked at 4,2ghz and the gpu is stock with just raised power limit.

But BFV runs like absolute shit, I've got those crucial e dies, running at 3200c15 without mem errors.

But the game runs at around 100fps and dips to as low as 30 during intense shit only to jump back to 100.

No other game performs this badly, am I cpu bottlenecked or is bfv just shit?

Hell it didn't run as bad on my laptop with a 8750h and 1060, it averaged about 60 fps but at least with no insane drops.

idk but Firestrike isn't representative of actual games.

I'd just get it now. Non-blower will probably cost more. the 5700 is so low power that the blower is fine, especially if you replace the graphite pad with paste.

Yes.

Do you have a source that shows worse PCIe latency, including a PCIe 4.0 trest?

>1660ti
i think it may be a bit outdated
try lowering your settings

Is there a checklist of things I should do before I start building and then of what I should do once its done? Its less than 24 hrs away and shit is getting real.

Don't forget ambient temps, if u just did this during the heatwave your 1070 won't be boosting as high

BFV tends to stutter if you have CPU with low core number.

Clean install of Windows soon, should I just upgrade to mx500 1TB?

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Should I grab a Seasonic Focus Plus 850W Gold or a Corsair RM850i?

any upcoming 1440p 144hz ips g-sync monitors?

the only one thats actually good is an asus from 2015, but i would prefer something newer

RX 5600 when? I want a cheaper 1660ti :^)

I need a pc case for the nas I am building. Want more then 8 hard drive mounts? Anyone got a good one thats available? Fuck having a mini box looking for a full tower so I can keep fans on the hard drives. Motherboard is mini-itx but still want room for airflow.

What do I need for 120fps 1080p?

2600 and 1660ti?

I've had a Corsair PSU that has worked flawlessly for many years of 24/7 operation. What now?

Anyone with the new 3xxx? Does AMD still have continuous non important issues like old days?

Never buy blowers. The first rule of buying gpus.

It's a ryzen 2600 not i7

9700K or 3700X for FFXIV?
Does anyone have experience with how either of them run in the game?

The 1660ti is faster than a 1070 in most cases including bfv, where it averaged 93 on guru3d's benchmark. Besides I still get the drops on low.

I'm almost ready to order my parts. What I'm still on the lookout for is a place to get that Windows 10 version that doesn't update every two days and breaks my system. I think it's called Windows 10 LTSC or something like that.

Anyone that can point me in the right direction?

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>nvidia
>dropping prices
pick one

What's a good fan for r5 3600? Is the stock cooler good enough?

i see, does that mean that precision boost will suffer as well or just that it can't handle an all core OC? thx

Ignore all bullshit about dies. Buy dual-rank.

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Cheap CPU cooler for a stock 4690k in a back up PC?

I would say something between a Hyper 212 BLACKED Edition and BeQuiet Dark Cock 4 at the most

reddit.com/r/Piracy/comments/8pfnun/how_to_download_and_install_windows_10_ltsb
Alsjeblieft neger.

append "kms hwidgen" to your search terms.

What's the best z390 motherboard for 150 euro? I hear gigabyte is shit.

Is it worth it the Vega 56 over the rx 590? I would need another power supply as well, and I don't want to waste an extra 100€ for diminishing returns

The Gigabyte ones are actually really good, i'd recommend the Aorus Pro personally.

is crucial m2 cringe ?

DID I SUCCESSFULLY FLASH MY B450 MSI BIOS? WHAT DO I HIT BROS , F1 OR F2?

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deepcool gammax 400 or wahtever should be like $18.

vega 56 uses the same power as rx590 wtf?

Thanks I'll take a look

But I've seen that on the sapphire website (300 fucking Watts)
Or is there some better Vega 56?

f1, configure xmp properly
other than that i dunno, do what you did before, if anything.
xmp is mandatory though, do it faggot

Why? I bought one because it was on sale...

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either or

>But I've seen that on the sapphire website (300 fucking Watts)
um what? Even with the factory OC setting it's not 300. You must have misread or they mislisted.
But yes, I'd get the Red Dragon one.

Can someone fucking PLEASE recommend me a good monitor for this build
>pcpartpicker.com/list/v8TsyX
am I fucked if I don't spend $700+ on a fucking monitor??? will I just be bottlenecking my hardware otherwise? SOMEONE HELP

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I forgot to mention I only want IPS and not TN thanks. Unless you can convince me that I will still be getting a premium visual experience without IPS

same recommendation as last thread

Yes, I wouldn't use PBO

thanks senpai

Kek

Help

Both are excellent psus
The main things that you should consider when deciding is the monitoring that comes with the Corsair as well as the silent fan that only spins up on higher loads

If those are things you want then the Corsair , otherwise get the seasonic

Thanks.
BTW pic related is what shappire says on their website about the nitro Vega 56

fill me in on arctic p14 fans, personal experience only please.

Also feel free to shill me any other fans that have good static pressure for filters/heatsinks but aren't super loud.

Anyone here have any experiences with xfx graphics cards? And want to share them?

and what recommendation is that? i wasn't here last thread

No, they have important ones now.

I'm a dumb fuck here it goes

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your cpu is a little weaker that a i3 nowadays

Don't worry about it. People here post "don't buy *brand*" in these threads with no reason all the time. Motherboards, PSU, coolers, anything. If no reason is given why it's bad, they have no reason to find it bad. It's low quality bait. Enjoy your purchase. It'll be fine.

>Order delayed

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I've been waiting for my 3900X since 7-7. You'll get used to it.

Should I try putting a graphite sheet on the vega chip and HBM2?
Supposedly it transfers heat well in terms of the X axis, so I imagine it would help with hotspot temps. That and if it compresses at all then it might help with leveling out the HBM2 die contact which is a bit lower than the chip.

>You will never have an Intel QT
Damn

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old hag

Getting way too impatient waiting for this B450 Tomahawk MAX board to come out, don't want to risk some of the things i've heard about people bricking their motherboards when flashing the standard B450 to be compatible with Ryzen 3000. Can someone persuade me not to get an X570 just because I have the money.

Just realized the motherboard I was planning to get literally has more RGB headers than fan headers.
What the actual fuck.

I'm literally going to have to buy a fan controller or an adapter or some shit just to connect my case's intake fans.

...but the vega 56 has lower power requirements than the rx 590 and a lower tdp

the rx 590 requires an 8 pin and a 6 pin so you need a new PSU anyways

Just ® Wait ™
>wh*te
>QT
Nah

>white

hig fps in sunfortunadely still intlel territory
get a i7 and a 2060s. the 5700xt will do close to the 120fps in modern game but if you want to sacrifice quality a regular 5700 can do

>22
>Old hag
Ok child molester mudslime/weeb
Kys, none white subhuman (germ)

i r dum
anyway i still belive your cpu to be the bottleneck

theres NO BENEFIT AT ALL on commending v56 now that 5700 is out.
its just better at about the same price point. unless you can get a deal for a v56 under 300.

9700K + 5700XT if you wanna be good for a while.

d-does the 3600 not give good fps?

Bedankt mijn donkere jongen.

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