I call bullshit on the Librem 5

>puri.sm/posts/lockdown-mode-on-the-librem-5-beyond-hardware-kill-switches/
There's no way the glowniggers let them get away with this.
No backdoors + killswitches to deactivate all tracking devices? Yeah, right.
Those phone are already pozzed (mandatory by law for a US company anyway) and thinking otherwise is being deluded.
Change my mind.

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buy one, then use a multimeter in continuity mode to see if the switches work as advertised

True but not because of that. The switches will likely be legit. The real problem is that nearly all the drivers and firmware are proprietary.

Notice how it's impossible to make a simple phone call (like if you were using an old dumbphone) with the botnet features off.

>DAE can't make a phone call without cellular connection or a microphone??

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Read the actual link provided user.
You can't make a phone call without the motion sensors and the GPS chip on...

>nearly all
The only proprietary blobs will be in the cellular modem itself, have no access to system memory, and will not execute on the CPU. Even the GPU driver is free software.
You can like...turn them off in the system settings. The lockdown mode is mainly in the event that you elect to install some propriety software. Also GPS being on doesn't mean you're being tracked, the GPS satellites don't know where you are, your phone figures out where it is based on where the satellites are and you just can tell it to not bother with figuring that out. Besides you can't make a phone call without location tracking anyway due to triangulation.
Oh but the motion sensors! The proprietary programs I had to install myself because it doesn't ship with any by default will know I'm holding the phone up to my ear while making a phone call! The horror!

If there's bullshit to be called out, it's the price of this thing. It's so expensive for the specs it has you'd almost think they don't want it to get too popular, and to be honest, that might actually be the point.

Airplane mode is almost the same thing, since it's not really Android you have to worry about per se, it's Google's tracking and the baseband software, which has it's own OS and is proprietary.

But the second you connect this thing to a cellular network, you're being tracked by triangulation with the towers, and likely through the proprietary baseband operating system powering the radio.

It's silly to pay more for an allegedly "privacy respecting" portable tracking device. The nature of the beast negates privacy. Just enjoy the convenience if you must, but have no illusions you are keeping any semblance of your privacy in the NSAs world.

It's expensive because they don't have the volume to allow economy of scale to kick in.
Imagine if it wasn't made in China, it would probably be >$1000 starting.

>There's no way the glowniggers let them get away with this.
Actually believing that glowniggers somehow have complete and utter control over everything produced is why I can't take this shit seriously
Believing a group is that omniscient to not allow a phone to be produced the way it's intended while at the same time believing you can do anything to stop them from doing anything is contradictory

controlled opposition

There's a reason I said "If."
I mean, that's certainly part of it. And they're a smaller company so they can't just take out a huge loan and crank out a zillion of them. It also doesn't help that they started with laptops instead of SBCs (like pine64) which means they didn't have phone sized hardware as worked out at the start of the project.
The other part of it is just how much the botnet subsidizes the cost of stuff. I recently got a 43" 4k monitor from LG for $500 on sale, it's usually about $650. Their TVs at that size and resolution are $330 at most, yet you'd think they'd have more components in them for post processing, and for being "smart". If botnet really halves the price, this thing would be a $350 phone, or even less given the amount of tracking data a phone makes compared to a TV.
But I still think there's some of it in just not wanting to move phones too fast. Because if they do actually start to put a dent in Android's numbers, then google would take notice and put them to an unspoken ultimatum: "hire a bunch of SJWs and let them destroy you until you can only survive by becoming our bitch (like mozilla), or we run a massive smear campaign and drill into everyone's head that you are bunch of nazis selling phones for nazis and criminals which would be real easy for us given how your mastadon instance has so few rules."

> The other part of it is just how much the botnet subsidizes the cost of stuff. I recently got a 43" 4k monitor from LG for $500 on sale, it's usually about $650. Their TVs at that size and resolution are $330 at most, yet you'd think they'd have more components in them for post processing, and for being "smart". If botnet really halves the price,
TVs are cheap because they are so mass produced compared to a monitor
Everyone plus their boomer dad is jumping on the 4K TV bandwagon, almost no one buys a 4K monitor in comparison except the handful of dying PC enthusiasts
If the “botnet” does infact reduce the price that much it’s all a more reason to buy them as you can just choose not to connect them to the internet

Why should they care? Theres going to be all of 5 fucking people actually buying this overpriced piece of shit.

I'm of the opinion that's it's basically impossible to make a cellphone not be spyware. Anything that you'd need to do to make it not spyware would make it no longer function as a phone, defeating the purpose of having it in the first place. You should just accept that a phone is going to be spying on you, and not use it (or turn it off and take out the battery, not bring it with you) when you're doing sensitive stuff where privacy matters the most.

Otherwise stuff like this is just like the people who get a VPN thinking they're protected. They're not, they're just paying for a false sense of security that helps them sleep at night.

It's illegal to reverse engineer or otherwise produce an open source baseband modem.
Because you'd be able to use it to get free internet access, upgraded speeds, crap like that.

Hence the cellular modem kill switch.
...but technically, as long as there's no power to the modem, it's not really a cell phone.

>It's illegal to reverse engineer or otherwise produce an open source baseband modem.
There is actually nothing stopping you
You can produce open source modems, just not good ones as like I said patents would get in the way

That's my point though. You can't use something as a phone without allowing spyware. It's no different than just taking out your battery when doing something where privacy is crucial. You can't ACTUALLY get a safe/secure/private phone because it cannot function as a phone then. In that case you just have a mini-tablet-computer

Who the fuck is buying this meme placebo device?

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Freetards with money to blow.

So, no one.

From what I can understand, the idea seems to be that you're paying out the ass not for the device, but to fund continued R&D into free software/hardware. But that just seems pointless since you might as well just donate and skip the bullshit meme machine.

jej

You can deny the OS and apps access to these things, but can it deny the cellular modem / baseband processor access?

Yes, its attached to a serial bus, but it could even be given iommu isolated memory so even DMA isn't a problem.