How do you feel about Msc being the new normal in STEM?

It's probably due to the fact that programming got so common. Everyone with a Msc these days has had to sit through MATLAB, python or C++ classes. So you could hire the guy who knows how to code, or the one who knows a lot more stuff and will learn to code in 2 weeks if you need him to.

Either that or outsourcing : burger codemonkeys with Bscs cost you what, 50k a year including taxes ? For that kind of cash you get 2 euros with Mscs or 5 Chinese, companies got picky like fat chicks on tinder

it's because even though the universities in europe are quite bad on the whole, individual students and researchers can rise above the level of their institution. most of university is about self study anyways.

Same

Completely right. Only reason I have an MSc is because I couldn't get on a grad scheme so I've basically given myself another year

mscs are also used to audible into a different major. I see it all the time that somebody studied biology or something then did a msc in comp sci to change their bsc into a more employable field.

I did a Comp Sci BSc, then did the route of Heldpesk - > Sys Admin -> Deployment specialist.
Nothing I learned during the Comp Sci course has ever been of any use at any point, ever.
I'd have been quicker just setting up a Windows domain, configuring some services, and learning basic networking, it would have saved me years of useless Comp Sci study, and equipped me for real world Enteprise scenarios.

dude how did you do a comp sci bsc and end up in helpdesk holy shit

Work experience often weighs more when it comes to money.

Let me guess, you graduated to a Fortune 100 as a Cloud Systems Architect, made an eight figure salary, and retired at the age of 15?

BSc gets you fuck all in Bio. It's PhD or go fuck yourself. And once you get your PhD, you're earning barely better than poverty wages.

Just join the air force if you're a burger. You get paid to do nothing all day, get fed steak and lobster, and then every job opening in the country is begging for you because muh veterans.

>getting this defensive
he asked a legitimate question though

Uni is almost entirely a scam. They're mostly just political clubs hiding behind a veil of academic authority. People who stay in them for too long become brain damaged to the point where they can't do real work. Everyone knows that PhDs in CS are utterly incapable of writing software, and Mscs are almost as bad. Bscs are fine, and usually are the easiest devs to work with and instruct. Very malleable while also not being stupid.
Ascs who stopped because they realized they were wasting time are usually the best practical devs, and work well on their own. They picked up the basics in a structured way, then said, "Wow, look at all those useless requirements. I'm not taking lesbian dance and underwater basket weaving, and the only core classes are things I can learn on my own in half the time. Fuck the Bsc, I'm employable NOW."

I work at a FAANG and interview 3+ people every week. I've not yet interviewed someone with a MSc that I've hired, but I've hired a dozen folks with high school or a BSc.

People with an MSc seem to think a degree is all they need and are often bottom-of-the-barrel in real-world skills. I'll take a high school grad with industry or personal experience every day of the week, especially if it's fucking around with a Linux server in their basement - that shows honest interest.

a lot of research is performed in uni labs though. If you’re interested in simply just working, why not trade school?

In Germany we haven't had bachelor degrees before we only had masters.

phds go both ways. some are basically like government workers and are more like institutional leeches who have been fully indoctrinated. but some phds are legitimately some of the smartest people on the planet. some of the maths phds I met in university are by far the most naturally gifted and intelligent people I've ever met or seen in any context.

German math degree is more sophisticated than us/british one. You have college shit during your first year.

You look for a job, you apply for a job, and you start working at a job.

>German math degree is more sophisticated than us/british one
LOL

My teacher said recently everyone graduating mechanical engineering gets codemonkey jobs fresh out of college, and those who don't end up working for McDonalds

yeah real engineering jobs are pretty rare nowadays and usually require advanced education, while there are tons of code monkey jobs