Nvme is a laptop technology and has no place in desktop computing

>There will not be a SATA4
Dunno, wouldn't be so sure about that.
This guy says
>less space required than a pcie ssd
But it's actually opposite of that in terms of motherboard real estate. You could fit several SATA ports in the space a single NVMe board takes on the mobo.
It's good to remember desktop computers are significantly higher power devices than laptop, so just for the sake of thermals alone you don't want to have everything sandwiched on the mobo itself.

I think there's certainly room for both SATA and m.2 in desktop, NVMe for OS and anything that really needs that throughput, and a SATA drive for any other storage.

>having a single m.2 slot means your motherboard is overpriced
ah yes great bait thread here's your reply
dumb samsung 850 evo retards

I feel like u.2 to break out boards will be the future

Sata is tied to the southbridge and is a slow, latent port. It's a waste to put SSDs in SATA.

Most ssd can’t saturate an ata 133 in 4K random.

Doesn't have to be SATA, just some sort cable connected standard. Even direct PCIe lanes like everything today.

What does SATA have to do with NVME? SATA is a type of port, NVME is a type of storage. You can mix and match the two.
This OP is akin to
>once a new USB standard is released, your Cherry Reds will be forgotten

the only reason nvme exist is intel gave it to some youtubers to shill

if it was just released in the market normally no one would buy it its advantages are like nothing.

its a dumb dangerous product to run in a dusty PC

Yeah, there are no other exposed PCBs inside a PC after all, because the dust would kill them.

Fucking retard.

The board space issue is solved with backplanes, you don't need them all directly on the motherboard, just a high speed transport (U.2, etc).

>Sata is tied to the southbridge
Ryzen has built-in SATA and NVMe controllers, the chipset is almost entirely superfluous. X570 adds 2/4 extra ports, at the manufacturer's discretion (min 4, max 8). PCIe lanes can be assigned quite freely by the board firmware.

>That thinking is the reason a motherboard with a proper slot arrangement now costs >$250. Having options on affordable hardware was a good thing, asshole.

God I hate this now. I'll have to spend $270~ to get the mobo I need with the right pci slots. inb4 hurdur poorfag

Part of the problem is the delay. That data cannot be processed so fast, the throughput slows down.

>once a new sata standard is released it will be forgotten as a relic of the past.
Enterprise market says you're full of shit and have literally no idea what you're talking about.

The NVME craze is indeed ridiculous. QLC multi-terabyte drives are now recommended as boot drives only because they come in the M.2 form factor, even though that they are almost as bad, if not worse, than a good HDD.

SAS IS SUPERIOR PROVE ME WRONG THERE IS NO REASON FOR SATA EXCEPT THE FUCKING JEWS DON'T WANT YOU TO BE FREE

Are you retarded?

As an SFFPC fan, I disagree. NVME storage is great to reduce how much space is required in the case.

Carrying my masterrace battlestation in my backpack is great.

Reminds me of the Compact Flash slot.

I agree- fucking garbage slot which is completely useless in desktop environments.

imagine falling for the pcie4/5 incremental meme instead of going for chad GenZ

theres no fucking way a new sata can beat pci-e speeds

Wrong, you piece of shit.
You're thinking of m.2, not NVMe. u.2 is the proper solution for implementing NVMe drives in PCs.

I think M.2 drives look cool on my motherboard.

The new SATA (SATA Express) provided PCIe speeds by allowing for PCIe over SATA.
There will be no SATA4 that's purely SATA and not PCIe over SATA. SATA is basically dead. SATA3 is still getting revisions, but it's also 10 years old now, and there was only 5 years between SATA1 and SATA3.0.

Uhhh, PCIe 4th gen?

imagine hating having more space in your case to work.
imagine not knowing the difference between NVMe and M.2

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Personally I find the speed of my first sataIII ssds from 2013 to be totally sufficient still. I only bought M.2 drives because my board is provisioned for them and it's sort of convenient to have storage on the motherboard.

this

sata is several types of ports as well as a protocol.
nvme is a protocol
m.2 is the 'type of storage'
retard

>'type of storage'
No, that would be NAND.

No, that's the technology used to store the data.
retard

Exactly, the TYPE OF STORAGE.

M.2 is flourishing because both laptop and desktop users are buying them. Expandability isn't a problem right now for desktop users since there's little demand for more than 2 NVME drives but once they become the assumed standard there's going to be a need to move to an off-board solution. Thankfully U.2 already exists.

M.2 will probably stick around for a while on desktops though for low clutter builds.

NVDIMMs will probably get released first before a new SATA standard.

I agree, U.2 is much better for desktops, easier access to drives.

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>SAS IS SUPERIOR
No lie detected

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Nvme ≠ m.2

Sounds like something a cummer would say

When I looked into SATA they pretty much said that a new standard would be more power hungry than PCIe which is why SATA Express was developed to allow PCIe over SATA, rather than a higher speed SATA standard.
So SATA 3.X is basically the end, SATA Express is a niche extension and m.2/u.2 is the actual future.

Why, yes. OP is a retard. People have been taking into account his retardation when making their arguments.

Look at the picture, it says M.2.
It's obvious what OP actually ment.

it's a good thing a lot of storage usage is sequential then isn't it?

>His motherboard doesn't come with 3 nvme heatsinks
Sucks to be poor

>nvme drive has no thermometer so I don't worry about how hot it's getting

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Put this thing in my i5 3570k build as the only drive, removed SATA cables and modular SATA power cables.

Adapter was $7 with the heatsink included. Temps don't exceed 35'c on the drive under stress.

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>implying hardware engineering isn't almost entirely driven by software bloat at this point
windows 10 will eventually become completely unusable on current hardware because microshit is going to "upgrade" it into oblivion
500GB install sizes are just around the corner
hell, plenty of video games are 100GB+ these days and a shitload of people still buy them, why not an OS?

nice
not a lot of z77 boards supported nvme

I had to add the nvme driver to the uefi, you can add nvme support to z68 even. The driver is generic

how is anything laptop only wtf

Because its impossible to install or remove or troubleshoot on a motherboard installed in a case even a itx one

Its stupid and will be replaced with some thing more user friendly in months

>gets to 99C while copying files and slows down to usb 1.1 speeds
LOL

Not earlier than 2025 mofo

techradar.com/news/microns-new-15tb-ssd-is-almost-affordable

Blocks all your paths

Sorry, it is the other way around. SATA is going to join PCI, ISA, VLB, PATA in the retirement home of obsolete standards within the 2020s.

SATA is only around because of HDDs and ODDs, both of which are going to disappear in the mainstream-space once multi-TIB SSD media in M.2 Express form factor become affordable and commonplace. HDDs will live on in the archive and bulk data storage portions of the market using SAS.

SSD "investors" on suicide watch

This guy is correct.

kys
>le
go and stay go
baka

Based custom mod bro. Was planning on doing the same with a 2600K since pcie 2.0 is still twice as fast as SATA 2 on the board.