Unironically the best E2E Messenger we've got so far. Completely FOSS and normie friendly

For once OP is not a faggot
>muh phone number
Just install a fucking free phone number app like textfree and use that number, then in signals settings turn on registration lock so even if someone else takes that number they can't use signal with it. If you cant figure this out you dont belong on Jow Forums

Prepaid SIM cards are not available in most of Europe anymore. Anyone have some info on the current situation? I believe Croatia still sold some.

Thank you for shining the light on Matrix.

Use XMPP + OMEMO
gitlab.com/dessalines/messaging-services-comparison/blob/master/README.md

Yes because you're uniquely identified and tied to your SIM card and your location can be narrowed down significantly. Also, some Orwellian countries like Germany can't have unregistered SIM cards. So wire is a better option for anonymity and convenience.
Matrix (Riot.im), Ring/Jami, XMPP (PixArt/Conversations), Tox (Trifa/qTox) and Briar are still better options for privacy.

Croatia sells pre-paid SIMs at kiosks. They're sometimes given away for free on the street. Pretty sure it's the same in every Slav country.

Signal turned to shit years ago. Go look through the github and tell me again that it's a project you feel safe using. The deal-breaker for me was when they disabled XML export of messages, which I could see as nothing other than an attempt to lock-in their users by disabling them to move messages to a new app.

It's not like you can't use pgp on a throwaway email anyway. This shit is all about convenience, and only a fool would believe that convenience comes at no cost. Sure, if "messenger" means "shitty insecure phone app," then yeah, signal is the best one. But if you play stupid games, you're gonna win stupid prizes.

based slavs. i'm half slavic and I really believe that something about us is genetically ingrained such that we don't give a single fuck about government and laws. My grandfather was from a place where they create trash-can cannons as a celebration every year

Explain how Signal is insecure. You're full of shit.

heres one example gbhackers.com/signal-app-flaw/

All you need to do is use the app, look through the github and decide for yourself though. As far as I can tell, most the developers that cared about making it a secure messaging platform left it long ago. If nothing else, the app has become very buggy and unusable.

I shouldn't be bumping this shill thread but im hoping someone reads my criticism. Don't ever trust a signed app with information you want to keep private, in fact, don't trust a cellular device with information you want to keep private.

no, you just have to activate it via videoident

>Wire
would tox be better?

You can remove the sim and the app will continue to function, it is only needed for the initial confirmation that you have access to it.
You don't even need a sim, you can use any phone number.

>place where they create trash-can cannons as a celebration every year
Sounds like fun.

Tox is overall better for privacy
>doesn't have a central server
>there's no registration, no SIM/email needed
>works fine with Tor
But
>an account cannot be used on more than 1 device at a time
>can be less stable, depending on client
>messages are only delivered when both the sender and the recipient are online, due to it being serverless

Wire is better for convenience
>SIM/email to recover your password
>can be used on any number of devices
>has desktop recording
But
>the android app is shit and has issues delivering messages in some cases
>the desktop app is shit because it's written in electron and the GUI is garbage

The SIM has to be unique. And it's tied directly to you. The number can be used to track you down to a single city in some cases. It's a million times harder to get a SIM card fully anonymously than email. It's less convenient for people who don't use SIM cards at all. It's less convenient for people who'd have more than a single account. Signal is just shit for anonymity, which makes it slightly worse for privacy than Wire and even Threema, which is proprietary.
Also, stop ignoring the fact that in some countries you can't get pre-paid SIM cards.

>uses google play services as a hard dependency; the developer actively discourages compiling from source and the use of third party builds or repos like F-Droid
>completely FLOSS

>normie
faggot

so what prevents people from buying and activating the phones in bulk, then reselling them on the black market?

good point. i think the sellers will still bial for these numbers and i guess you have to report if you lose a sim card

>your location can be narrowed down significantly.
based schizo, what's the point of "finding" you when everything else is encrypted? literally nothing is traced back at the number

>CIA: we kill based on metadata
>user: lol just add more metadata you schizo xd