Want help? >State budget & CURRENCY >Post at least some attempt at a parts list >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, include purpose (e.g., photoediting, gaming) and graphics card pairing (if applicable)
CPUs based on current pricing: >Athlon 200GE - HTPC, web browsing, bare minimum gaming (can be OC'd on most mobos with the right BIOS) >R3 2200G - Recommended minimum gaming >R5 2600 - Good gaming CPU with great value >R5 3600 - Great gaming CPU >R7 3700X - Overkill gaming CPU >R7 1700X - Budget video editing >R9 3900X - Professional tasks
RAM: >Always choose at least a two stick kit; 2x 8GB is recommended >CPUs benefit from high speed RAM; 3200CL16 is ideal >AMD B and X chipsets and Intel Z chipsets support XMP
Graphics cards based on current pricing: >Used cards can be had for a steal; inquire about warranty 1080p 16:9 >RX 570 8GB - good performance with great value >GTX 1660 - standard >RX 5700 - overkill framerates* 1440p 16:9 + 1080p 21:9 >RX 5700 - basic >RX 5700XT - standard* >RTX 2070 Super - higher framerates in some games* 2160p 16:9 + 1440p 21:9 >RTX 2070 Super - standard >RTX 2080Ti - best fit for 4K but expensive *requires complementary CPU and high Hz monitor
General: >PLAN YOUR BUILD AROUND YOUR MONITOR IF GAMING >Don't bother buying a new monitor for gaming unless it's high refresh with adaptive sync >A 250GB or larger SSD is almost mandatory; consider m.2 form factor >Bottleneck checkers are worthless
Any of the 350$ X570 boards good? The Crosshair Hero, MSI Ace and Gigabyte Master all look the same spec wise
Jose Campbell
is a r5 3600 fine with the stock cooler?
Luke Cruz
>got 3700x >Idles at 1.4+ volts with literally no programs open
Fuck me for jumping the gun
New bios, chipset drivers, everything and it just keeps fucking up.
To late to return now
Elijah Smith
>go amd >have problems WHAT THE HE*K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jason Thompson
yes
It's so-so. Can get loud and does better with a better $20-$35 cooler.
>Zen2 runs more efficiently than Coffinlake despite being at the high voltages it's designed for and this is a bad thing. Retarded FUD spreading shills.
Dylan Gutierrez
I just don't understand why the damn thing has to run at 1.47 volts to do the simplest of task
Please explain if you would like. Id like to learn
Dylan Gray
>
Liam Brooks
Shut up intel shill
Chase Walker
I feel my 3700x is more stable for gaming at a slight undervolt It stays around 55c and never goes past 67c Is this okay
Ian Nguyen
Many (((reviewers))) used ryzens with stock coolers vs intcel with liquid coolers in their benchmarks. So...
Isaac Ward
3700x is the closest thing to a good perf/watt chip since the Intel T-series CPUs and it has to go and spike to 1.5V. Why even bother, might as well go get a 3950X at that point.
it can't be real, AMD using liquid coolers and intel being on the stock cooler! Thats the exact opposite of the shill narrative that people put out here, how can this be happening?!
Jaxon Bell
>AMD just discontinued blower cards after they just started going on sale for ~$380 for XT models >Now the partner cards are coming out with ridiculous upcharges over the blower cards Fuck this kike shit, I'm buying a Vega, see you faggots after the beta test.
Why can't computer parts just be priced reasonably
Cooper Robinson
>supporting people who give you overpriced datacenter GPUs for consumers
Thomas Wilson
you are talking to people who know nothing about components they cannot explain anything to you
John Gomez
Cool nice copy pasta
Parker Ross
>Nvidia's drivers suck my fat hairy putrid asshole >rDNA too expensive >Polaris isn't enough of an upgrade to justify the current price >Literally every single used card on the market has been raped to near-death for years by buttcoin miners You got a better idea or you just throwing around greentext?
>>Nvidia's drivers suck my fat hairy putrid asshole except they actually fucking work, with new and old games, unlike fucking AMD. >>rDNA too expensive they saw a chance to milk people and went for it >You got a better idea or you just throwing around greentext? Yes, find a new hobby and only replace your GPU when it dies. Maybe in 5-10 years they will actually give you a GPU worth upgrading at a good price.
Benjamin Cruz
Just to toss my 2 cents in.
Just finished my 3700x build. It was idling at 1.46 before I did the bios and chipset updates (gigabyte aorus elite).
I'm on a crap ass waterloop I dug up from awhile back and it's gets to 48c under full synthetic load.
Stays around 1.38 volts during that.
So far it seems to be working great
Aiden Sullivan
but no! You're not playing into the Zen2 FUD narrative!
Sebastian Hall
>what is amps/current >i don't know the basics of electricity plz explain /pcbg/ Try the stupid questions thread
Because you can buy a liquid cooler + AMD CPU for the cost of an equivalent Intel CPU, you dumb >cost doesn't matter!!! retarded shills
Wyatt Martin
Except AMDGPU is better than the proprietary nvidia drivers, no contest, it's not even close. >Yes, find a new hobby and only replace your GPU when it dies. Maybe in 5-10 years they will actually give you a GPU worth upgrading at a good price. I have one of those trimmed down RX 560 made for internet cafes that I bought in desperation during the coin mining craze, and there are (less than AAA) games that already max it out at 1080p60. The next Vega to go under $300 is mine, and I won't settle for Nvidia's worthless trash just because some guy on a Scandinavian basketweaving forum said to.
Ethan Reed
>Because you can buy a liquid cooler + AMD CPU for the cost of an equivalent Intel CPU, you dumb I like how backpedal and try to justify the thing you mocked intel reviwers doing.
>Except AMDGPU is better than the proprietary nvidia drivers, no contest, it's not even close. Just the opposite I have used both exentsively. The only downside to nvidia driver is that it's not pretty. But it has 10 times less RAM usage than AMD. Nvidia drivers also work much better for games, both new and old. Again, I have used both extensively, I have no idea what this norime push for "but they look pretty who cares if they dont work and shit" is.
Matthew Campbell
>I like how backpedal and try to justify the thing you mocked intel reviwers doing. Quote me where I did that
You're wrong.
Joshua Young
>nuhuh >you're wrong wonderful facts, that entirely contradict my years of experience and many people on the internet that share the sentiment form their own experience but shit this tough guy said all of it is not true, how can I disagree
Luke Perry
My motherboard is PCIE layout is >PCIE >x16 >PCIE >x16
I have a capture card in the bottom x16 slot. If I put a 3 slot video card in, airflow to the fan may be impeded by the capture card.
Is this going to be a really bad thing? Should I just look for a 2 slot card?
Gabriel Wood
One day intelbros we will defeat evil antisemitic AMD
Common sentiment is that AMDGPU driver is better than Nvidia's proprietary OR open source, fucking retard. Check anywhere else on Jow Forums except here where you dumb shills have made your stronghold to try and gaslight the more newbie users of Jow Forums who visit this thread more than any.
Kill yourself.
Sebastian Scott
Building a Ryzen 3700X and I need a case with a good airflow, I narrowed down my choices to Corsair 450D and Coolermaster Mb511 RGB. Which one would be the better choice?
Blake King
>Install a sufficiently new enough kernel and AMDGPU >It just works >Download Nvidia's binary blob shit, remember to install headers and/or sources for your currently running kernel, remember to blacklist nouveau, kill xorg, and finally, run the binary blob installer >Then remember to do this every single time you update your kernel >And it still runs like dogshit What the fuck are you even talking about? Where the fuck does using an order of magnitude more RAM come into this? Are you high?
Planning on getting a case like this because a microATX-sized aluminum cube satisfies my autism and has worldwide free shipping. The case is entirely closed with a single fan slot at the bottom. Should i use the red fan as intake or exhaust? green is the psu, blue the gpu and orange the cpu cooler inside
What's the best value CPU with iGPU I should use in a NAS (OpenMediaVault)? It'll be purely file & media storage and I won't be running Plex or doing any sort of transcoding/streaming.
Noah Gomez
>Common sentiment is that AMDGPU driver is better than Nvidia's proprietary OR open source, ONLY by the shills and amd stock holders in this place. If you actually leave this shithole youl notice that a lot of people complain about how amd drivers have shit ton of issues, especially with older games(muh fine wine, right?)
>r stronghold to try and gaslight the more newbie users of Jow Forums who visit this thread more than any. Ah amd shill san, is that you, did your ban wear off?
Chase Reyes
I guess unless you want to make a vaccuum inside your case I'd suggest using the red fan as an intake
Jayden Edwards
Get a PCIe breakout cable and use your capture card with that?
Zachary Myers
why not just post the model of the case instead of your shitty drawing. even shitty itx cases aren't "entirely closed with a single fan slot"
Brayden Martin
amd shit takes up around 1GB of RAM, nvidia shit takes up less than 200mb.
Dylan Brooks
@ 3700x nerds
What's your usual all core clocks when running cinebench 20 with PBO on auto / enabled?
Sebastian Reed
No, seriously my dude. I've already chosen the 450D but I am in a dilemma here. I don't wanna fuck it up in regard to the airflow since I am getting a poozen system. the MB511 is advertised as a airflow focused case but all the reviews on Youtube are filled with pajeets and brown people.
Daniel Diaz
Because like most stuff from aliexpress it's generic as fuck and only goes by "C2", pic related. Oh right, thanks.
Thats a great idea, I meant X1 not x16 and those risers are easy to find.. I might just do that, I have a vertical bracket on my case that it would fit into nicely.
Chase Wright
Nigger are you on that pack? My system uses LESS than 200MB of RAM on boot, AND I use a huge kernel to avoid configuring intiramfs. AMDGPU > everything else
Nolan Wright
Interesting, I swear I have seen this exact case sold by a name brand before. Maybe by Jonsbo? Not sure really. But I like it.
Nathan Edwards
Learn how the new chips function before exposing yourself as an inbred cretin.
Jonathan Adams
>if I just keep repeating it, then maybe I can trick people fuck off
Easton Morgan
>value those $5 xeons i guess >with iGPU but why, for a nas you only need ssh and maybe webui
Nathan Perry
On second thought, double check to make sure that your potential graphics card won't physically interfere when the capture card is mounted like that. Also, I hear riser cards are hit or miss, but I've only ever researched the 16x ones. You might have better luck with the 1x ones, but I hear more money usually equals a working card. That's the best solution I can think of for it, so good luck.
Seems like a record so far on the amount of lies/FUD being spammed in this thread in only 50 posts. Reminder to report the blatant lying trolls. Pretty sure at least one of them is one of the permabanned retard's personalities.
Is a celeron not strong enough? I'd assume a celeron. If not, then 200GE. You can find cheap Xeons with iGPU as well. Some of the old 4c/8t ones.
>>if I just keep repeating it, then maybe I can trick people >fuck off Slurpee my fucking testes you stupid nigger. Here's my shit at fresh boot, not even taking into account that it would be at least 100MBs lighter if I was using a generic kernel like 99% of people.
It's a 390X, but that's besides the point. It is an objectively incorrect statement to say that AMD drivers take up a gig of fucking RAM. As for my specs, I'm not made of money., I'm using hand me down shit and I'm not claiming otherwise. You'd have to be one hell of a deluded fanboy to think that pointing out an objectively false statement is shilling, considering all the blatant marketers in this thread.
Jaxson Morris
Never buy gigabyte or asus for AMD gpus, gigabyte just has shit designs and asus reuses their nvidia gpu design on amd ones which cause a bunch of thermal issues
That's been debunked, AMD already said they re still going to produce the blower models
Landon Davis
>Look mom! I said it again!
Brody Morales
what is the whole issue with these voltage concerns people are constantly posting about for AMD what issues is this actually going to cause im not some faggot running a PC inside a cardboard box so nothing it going to catch fire or explode im not a super poorfag who is scraping pennies for electricity bills either so what is the actual issue?
whats the difference between 1.5 on the new Ryzen vs the 1.3ish on my current 6700K? is it going to be a couple of dollars a month and 2 degrees more temperature? because none of those mean jack shit
feel free to tell me why im retarded but from my perspective just seems like you are a bunch of faggots who dont even use their PC's but instead just wank off over others
Well shit lads, I tried the 2nd pci-e slot hoping that it was a B450 tomahawk bios problem that caused my GPU not to work, but I seeing how this didnt work I'm guessing my 980ti is dead :(
Ayden Roberts
dude you use a bulldozer, that tells me everything of how much you value actual performance, or even performance price. Bulldozer is the universally acclaimed piece of shit. There is no way to reasoning with you if you are okay with using utter shit.
> I'm not made of money. Get a job nigger. What are you 10? Even little girls selling lemonade would make enough money to buy something that is less shit.
Jayden Allen
Because the chips are going to fry and fans are going to take off after defeaning users
Hudson Robinson
hello /pcbg/. I also asked this in the /hsg/ thread, but I was wondering if any of you would know. Does anyone know of any issues or have personal experience with stuff like Pic related? >50w 8c/16t EPYC SoC >4x DDR4 slots with support for registered ECC memory >4x gigabit LAN ports >m.2 slot >bunch of SATA ports >full PCIe port for my LSI 9211-8i dual SAS controller
>Bulldozer is the universally acclaimed piece of shit. There is no way to reasoning with you if you are okay with using utter shit. I used an AM3 chip for years and got a bulldozer for like 30 bucks from a friend a year ago. Just because I don't upgrade to the latest bleeding edge gaymer parts doesn't mean that I'm wrong. The fact you can't do basic math (200MB - 1GB makes me in the green by 800MBs according to earlier claims) doesn't make me incorrect when i say that AMDGPU drivers don't use a lot of RAM, let alone the amounts being claimed.
Dominic Ross
so whats the longevity lost from a 1.5 amd chip compared to my current 1.3 intel this 6700 is like 4/5 years old and runs fine your concerns with voltages is fan noise? nigga what are you doing recording your gay porn podcast shut the fuck up faggot just use the pc for whatever u want its not the centre piece of the room is it who even cares if you care that much move it away from your ears put it in an isobox
Daniel Stewart
I do pop to upper 1.4s while just generally browsing around. I guess it's just boosting to open programs and stuff quick.
Idles around 34c but it jumps erratically just doing normal stuff
But on full synthetic load, stock speeds, it gets to 1.38-1.40 and maxes out around 54c on a half assed rigged water loop
Alexander Cox
/pcbg/ is full of shit-fling AMDumbs and glow in the dark Intel niggers. What answer do you expect to get by wandering into a desktop thread?
Ryder King
>I bought a turd for 30$, No I don't have money to buy something decent, I love AMD btw and will not stand for this unjust slander, milday
Josiah Anderson
Why an Epyc SoC and not a Threadripper? Honest question considering that price.
Bentley Diaz
I'm not even one of the users with a problem you fucking retard suck my dick and die
Wyatt Campbell
The chip dynamically requests the voltage when it has work to do, but it doesn't pass a lot of current over time with it so the thermal load stays manageable. As long as the voltage isn't so ridiculously high that it breaks down the gates in the chip it doesn't do any harm. People aren't accustomed to this sort of reactive power management. Especially the mobo manufacturers, who need to chill the fuck out with the fan ramping. When the chip spikes the overall amount of heat it produces isn't huge but the die temp shoots up because it's such a tiny surface area. Motherboard firmware freaks out because it sees a high number and reacts violently but the heatsink barely has any work to do yet.
Eli Morales
I have to admit stock fan curve in my bios was horrible. Jumped 25% going 30c-40c.
Hunter Gomez
>>I bought a turd for 30$, No I don't have money to buy something decent Literally works on my PC. What do I need an assblasting CPU for? I'd use a fucking core2duo or some shit if I had to without complaining. I bet you're one of those autists that thinks 1GB of RAM should be the new standard to excuse shitty web developer habits.
John Walker
>Everyone use their computer like me >Poor and gayly
Michael Thompson
Thanks for a explanation.
I guess time will tell with these...if people start having CPUs go dead within a year AMD will have some explaining to do
Hudson Parker
someone with experience on desktop hardware? Not everyone ITT is a fucking shill. Threadripper doesn't support registered ECC DIMMs and are much higher power consumption. I just need a server to host a couple VM's and act as my localized backup location + file sharing server.
Carter King
>I bet you're one of those autists that thinks 1GB of RAM should be the new standard
Nolan Ramirez
>Because the chips are going to fry and fans are going to take off after defeaning users lmao what problem you just throw some absolute bullshit about deafening users and frying chips
whats the heat difference between a 1.5 amd and a 1.3 intel and what is the longevity implications of the difference?
what is the noise level difference from the 0.3 voltage difference?
6700K currently idling at 37 degrees while watching video and posting here whats the real world implication if that was 40 instead of 37? genuine questions come on red pill me you bunch of shills
Tyler Martin
This is a PC building general, not a gaymer general.
Kevin Wilson
>Watching video and posting here Watch out we got a real USER over here
Jace Thomas
>In order to maintain the simplicity of the product, the C2's top cover and double side panels are not designed with any venting holes, and the venting holes are hidden to the bottom of the chassis
If you have only one fan mount, why would you ever think to not use it as intake as they literally show in their description picture
so absolutely nothing to say about the actual implications of a 3 celcius increase from 37 to 40 which is the main discussion point about the voltage """"""Concerns""""""" with ryzen?
Adam Myers
>Threadripper doesn't support registered ECC DIMMs Weird. Does it only support unregistered ECC or something? I swore it supported ECC somehow. Won't contest you on the power draw, just wondering if it actually mattered to you or not. It sounds like you already know what you want to do with it, so if you don't mind dropping $700+, I say go for it, that's a hell of a chip/board if it lives up to the 50W TDP it claims to.
Brody Diaz
>what is the whole issue with these voltage concerns people are constantly posting about for AMD what issues is this actually going to cause im not some faggot running a PC inside a cardboard box so nothing it going to catch fire or explode im not a super poorfag who is scraping pennies for electricity bills either so what is the actual issue? >Tells you the issue that is separate from your speculation >NO NO RESEARCH THAT FOR ME Doesn't matter if it's wrong or right and I am not even on ryzen 3xxx but that's obviously an issue for people if instead of acting like some faggot saying 'whats going on here?!' you could try googling yourself out of the paper bag that is your brain
Matthew Cooper
no they said
>“We expect there will continue to be strong supply of Radeon RX 5700 series graphics cards in the market, with multiple designs starting to arrive from our AIB partners,” AMD officials said. “As is standard practice, once the inventory of the AMD reference cards has been sold, AMD will continue to support new partner designs with Radeon RX 5700 series reference design kit.”
Carson Campbell
yea Threadripper will support unregistered ECC DIMM's but then motherboard support is also iffy on actually using full fledged ECC. For reference, here is my current server. >Pentium G3260 dual core (52w) >4x4GB ECC Unbuffered DDR3-1333MHz The fact that I could possible get 4x the cores and 8x the threads at a LOWER wattage is sick.
Lastly, a single 16GB DIMM of registered ECC is like $85 where same company, same size, same speed, but unregistered, is $110 each.
What some of the preferred B450 motherboards for Ryzen 3000? Specifically wondering about BIOS compatibility
I thought that MSI boards with flashback were the go-to, but it seems that there are a lot of problems with B450 and Ryzen 3000 in general and specifically with MSI boards. MAX seems pretty expensive right now
Charles Gutierrez
oh i see so you are physically incapable of explaining your position NICE
why would i google it myself when i am asking for the reason (((you))) are are holding (((your))) opinion
Julian Jenkins
Guys you don't understand high temperatures and high voltages don't fucking MATTER SO STOP FUCKING COMPLAINING AND BUY AMD YOU STUPID FUCKS
