Cloudflare, the world's largest Man In The Middle proxy

>this goes way beyond eight chan.
I wasn't saying anything about the botnet, I was just asking if anyone else knew about them dropping eight ch, and it consequently still being offline since then

>it doesnt matter If you only visit
uhm, no. they still can analyze your habits online and deduce things about you from your browsing history. as an example (though in a different context):
forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2012/02/16/how-target-figured-out-a-teen-girl-was-pregnant-before-her-father-did/

they estimated 24-48 bc they switched to bitmitigate, which got cut off from their upstream provider, and cut them off, now no one probably will take them on until things either cooldown or they make changes, and they already got ddosed with it being off cf. if they get lucky they'll find a provider, if not, they'll have to try to mitigate attacks themselves. prepare for a onion only infinchan eventually at current rate.

How are you gaining this context

There also was the Hydrus development board and so on.

Nobody said you have to hang out with the Nazis if you don't want to and racists and retards are not going away because 8ch is down anyhow. You are probably just satisfying CF's lust for censorship.

because it's public knowledge?

twitter.com/alexstamos/status/1158406276570734592

twitter.com/CodeMonkeyZ/status/1159288762808983552

yay for deplatforming!

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> lust for censorship.

So if I don't use CF I'm being censored?

>because it's public knowledge?
I didn't mean to come off as aggressive; I just meant their main twitter has been silent save for some social posturing on the first day

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>Cloudflare made a statement saying it had to do with a shooter posting there that he's gonna shoot something up, or something.
Burgerland is a land of logic where this makes sense to people. Even when the shooter actually posted to Instagram and this was just a screenshot or repost.

Never mind it's in line with the tradition of discontinuing and closing down newspapers and TV stations when they talk about what shooters claimed as their reasons to shoot people, right?

Pretty sure that anyone by know knows that Cloudflare is a NSA/CIA partner.

If someone forces you not to use CF you are probably being censored as much as when CF disables various sites to impose their censorship.

If you choose not to use CF, you're not being censored. Except this isn't a real choice with the access monopoly CF has to various sites.

all good. just build your own internet, user. it's no big deal. but YOU must bake the cake.

nigger

unfortunately that statement has yet to be proven, there are no earlier proof (even though jim said otherwise) that he posted on ig first over infin.

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Trying to run a centralized website without a cloudflare or some other CDN is almost suicide with how trivial it is to attack centralized servers
You wouldn’t be censoring yourself choosing not to use cloudflare but the effect would be the same as if cloudflare decided to censor you

>unfortunately that statement has yet to be proven, there are no earlier proof
Well, you might have noticed that I think it's irrelevant even if.

Since when do the fucking news or internet sites have issues if some shooter publishes their statements there?

Plus it is certainly proven that it happened before in other cases with facebook, $newspaper / $tv_station, and many others.

So if I'm getting beat up by bad guys, then I hire someone to protect me, and that person later decides to fuck off, the guy I hired is censoring me?

If you hired someone for protection and then that same person ran off fully knowing others would assault you without his protection then yes you can say that

I'm not disagreeing with you on the rest, but no one has found earlier postings than the infin yet, and that's the main reason to do this. The people don't actually care where it was posted, it's just a convenient "ban it bc terrorism" when it's "ban people who i disagree/hate" you can see literally see people saying this on twitter.
>pic related
They don't care if a shooter posts a manifesto on twitter, or ig, or live streams on facebook. They like those sites, and know that they shut down people who hurt their feelings with different views. They want this site and got infin shut down because of a certain board saying things they can't control. It's not about stopping terrorism, its about controlling people lives and what they can do/say.

bad analogy
If you hire a guy to help protect you, but then he hires guys to beat up other people offering protection, and becomes the only bodyguards in the world, then cancels your service, effectively he is allowing you to be. the fact that BACKBONE providers are cutting off service is showing how true this is. CF canceling them? fine, no problem. they switch to bm, now their entire company gets shut off. and you people say "lol don't like twitter? make your own site. what you made that? okay, we're banning your isp, lol just make your isp". when it's something where you need millions of dollars to become your own provider, that's censorship, and many states already state internet isn't a privilege but a necessity (i.e. obama phone). reminder: this happened because obama gave away americas control of root dns/icann to a third party. before they had to follow american laws, now they can have tos.

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>buy a NAS resolve your own DNS
>still your ISP navigate you to throw google servers

what is the point op?
they offer an OK service consider the internet is already own

>neonazis
8ch's pol was full of boomer retards who think Q is a real, live person feeding them legitimate information. it was also home to pedos and mentally ill gangstalkers

why doesn't anyone make their own?

are you telling me there are no resourceful people from 8c and only a bunch of leeching commushits?

do you have any idea how much this shit costs

stop posting this in every cloudflare thread faggot. your mind on left leaning politics. $50 a month for insurance is too hard and needs to be free but $500,000,000+ (probably way more) is ez pz to setup your own backbone isp, worldwide ddos provider, and registrar provider.

> no one has found earlier postings than the infin yet, and that's the main reason to do this
We seem to agree that they wouldn't even care if it was posted elsewhere. It's not a hypothetical in many other cases, of which there are many even this year - right?

I will again add that in the USA, it's not even a common thing for any platform to get censored for publishing a shooter's reasons for shooting anyone up.

Why this private censorship suddenly "makes sense" to many burgers is a most puzzling thing to me.

>Mom, the internet won't let talk about killing jews, blacks, and mexicans anymore. Why are they censoring free speech?!

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burgers are brainwashed into thinking that because they're on private property their constitutional rights end and that's a good thing. people want freedom FROM speech, not freedom OF speech because freedom OF speech means you have to hear things you disagree with

Because if you ban those people from expressing their views about antisemitism and racism, you no longer have free speech. You have to let racists speak in order to have free speech.

maybe but that's not reason enough. 99.99% of all sites hosting user generated content are shit but we need toilets

>you have to allow the promotion of genocide in order to have free speech

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In most nations you generally actually have free speech with limits on hate speech, slander/libel, untruthfulness, threats, [...]

Of course if something your nation cares about is either limited or not limited in another nation you may be culturally upset.

You need to have a legal red line. First, you have to define genocide. Is it "god I wish all jews could drop dead", or is it "tomorrow we're going to shoot up all jews in this area!"? Because the first is the expression of a hateful opinion (which is not prosecutable) and the latter is the conspiracy to commit mass murder (which is prosecutable).

In my view, free speech has 3 golden rules: No acts/threats of violence, no slander, and no libel. As long as those rules are held up, everything is fine.

Are we allowed to promote genocide as long as it's against white people and done with a thin layer of irony?

We're on the same page, I'm just being the devils advocate that it wasn't proven it really started elsewhere, but boogieman'd onto infin, but regardless of that being true or false, you're correct: it would not matter. as long as it's posted before MSM on infin, even copied from twitter/fb/ig, it would be their fault soley, and again not because they care about what happened, but because of the site and it's content. their justification is that infin is causing the shootings by allowing people to speak freely, say mean things, say racist things etc. all it is though is the left wanting to control what is said, especially since a majority of free speech activists are trump/rightwing. it's about banning your enemies from engaging easily online. they didn't care about any of this pre 2016 election.

twitter openly allows minorities to talk about raping white women, killing whites, with no recourse. but ban people for saying trannies aren't men. you have no argument.

>in most countries
not in America bud. We can't say things like "I'm going to murder you" without recourse, but I sure as hell can say you're a nigger faggot jew loving kike who should be put in an oven. I'm not making a threat there, I'm not saying I'm doing that, just that I /wish/ that'd happen to you. And even if you're not a nigger faggot jew loving kike (libel) you can't have me arrested. You can sue me in personal court, for libel, but it's still protected under 1A, the government won't arrest me. (though only since the 60s).

No, how did you come to that conclusion from the post you replied to?

generally speech in the USA is limited if it causes tangible harm. so the examples you listed, as well as threats, are not protected by the first amendment

>twitter openly allows minorities to talk about raping white women, killing whites, with no recourse. but ban people for saying trannies aren't men. you have no argument.
8ch talks about killing people, posts manifestos, and carries it out.

It is a web firewall, Also if ir has analytics definetly knows all your data

How did you come to the conclusion that I came to a conclusion from the post I replied to from the post you replied to?

>In my view, free speech has 3 golden rules: No acts/threats of violence, no slander, and no libel. As long as those rules are held up, everything is fine.
Sure, and that's probably what you culturally do in your place?

Here we prefer to also not have general intentional untruthfulness, denial of war crimes, inciting violence, accusing whole groups of people of criminal acts without proof and even especially public and insistent insults etc. - which may or may not be libel or slander in your place.

Generally speaking only fact-based discussion is fully protected by free speech, opinions etc. have some limits.

So does Facebook and the San Francisco Chronicle. So what?

Who gives a fuck about "most nations"?
This isn't a fucking popularity contest.

BTW some nations also may have limits on fact-based communication.

>not in America bud.
Sure. You have your own variant on this - the point I'd make is that it is actually also limited in various ways.

>You have to let racists speak in order to have free speech.
What exactly do racists want? To live in harmony with all people?

>Who gives a fuck about "most nations"?
All of them, I guess.

Name the nations with more absolute free speech. You might define yours as such, but it has limits, I am pretty sure.

Those places actively try to prevent it and actually report threats and remove those posts.

Not me. You might be surprised that more than one person actually posts here at a time.

The reason you have to let racists speak is because politically motivated morons will willfully misrepresent any kind of speech they want to forbid as whatever kind of speech is legally allowed to be suppressed.

I know, people calling people racists because it's a powerful political tool is crazy, but just imagine it's possible for a second.

Not an argument. Free speech nor the website did not force or cause people to do that. You had leftpol antifa shooter who got radicalized on twitter by aoc, bernie, posted about doing it again on twitter, then carried it out. By your claims, twitter should be held responsible, and have its service terminated. But no, again, you, like other people wanting 8ch banned/shut down, don't actually care about the shootings, you just hate 8ch, the people who post on it, and their ideas/values/thoughts and want them censored.

Yeah, correct. Still nothing 8ch has done wrong. They report people saying "I'm going to kill people on x date on x location.", which is no different than if I saw someone with a gun telling me, "hey I'm going to kill a bunch of people, bye!" and then I called the cops, and they said, well "why'd you allow him to say that?"

Moving goal posts. This isn't about if racists are good people, have good ideals or values. It's about free speech, what's legal and what's not. You have no argument so you change the subject.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zodiac_Killer

Why on earth would you want to censor threats of violence?
Threats are warnings, by censoring them you delude potential victims into believing they are in no danger.

A deaf and blind person that can't see or hear the snarling dog, is not invulnerable to the dog's attack. Removing the rattlesnake's tail doesn't prevent the snake from biting.

>Yeah, correct. Still nothing 8ch has done wrong.
I agree completely. Made the same point in this thread, too.

I don't even get how burgers could even see it that way - it basically never was this in their country.

> Here we prefer to also not have accusing whole groups of people of criminal acts without proof and even especially public and insistent insults etc
Unless they're white of course....

>web firewall
and what do you think that is, you fucking retard? literally a proxy that filters stuff. they even use their own SSL certs for "secure" comms...

>Also if ir has analytics definetly knows all your data
like they will tell you they give all their data to the NSA or some shit.

No

But did that happen in your place and what was it about?

Name a single place that has not happened.

I am a burger, and it's not all burgers. It's just the crazy left, and unfortunately, sites like twitter are doing the same thing to lefties that they claim 8ch does to righties: making them extremists. A lot probably don't think about the consequences, slippery slope, and what they are advocating for. It's the instant gratification of getting someone who is politically different, or have different ideals banned or shutdown, that they care about, nothing else.

This, but every time we have this thread on Jow Forums it has the same gallery of retards who don't understand that the difference between their perfectly safe speech and hate speech is who reads it. It's the difference between Jow Forums and say, twitter.

Not that they would care, they probably came from there anyway.

>your mind on left leaning politics
cope more commushit
>$500,000,000+ (probably way more) is ez pz to setup your own backbone isp, worldwide ddos provider, and registrar provider.
who said you couldn't monetize it nigger?

At least you admit you're racist. Acceptance is the first step.

>I am a burger, and it's not all burgers
I didn't actually mean every last of all ~350m of you.
It is however telling that you can proclaim support for this without being drowned in 5-30 other burgers telling you how stupid and irrational this is.

[And I'd be a crazy left wing socialist by US standards, I think. Far left of any party in national power, eh.]

>ITT lazy commushit trying to leech off successful businesses
what's next niggers? the government should force hospitals to provide service for free?
how about you go to venezuela if you love government control so much

All babies are born racist and there's scads of research which proves it. Any time somebody calls you racist just call them racist right back.

just change your dns to 1.1.1.1, easy fix

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Isn't their whole business model of DDOS protection to take your website offline until the attack is over?

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>we mitigate DDOS attacks by taking your site down first

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9-1chan will be back up after Jim goes to Congress.
youtube.com/watch?v=VrJxVYXBJ0o

What if cloudflare was paying people to do the DDOS to get your company to go to them?

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>Cloudflare: 8 chin? We delete instantly
>also Cloudflare: literal terorist recruitment websites and pedophile forums? It's not our responsibility to delete this. We will only takedown if authority orders us to

what is Cloudflare's CEO's problem? Does he simply support the latter websites?

>whattaboutism

more like DDoS'ing your site until you join there botnet

twitter tranny mob and MSM went after cloudflare. that's why they terminated cripplechan

Cloudflare will drop Jow Forums and Kiwifarms the second they enter mainstream controversy again. This is why 4channel got split off. Feels weird knowing this 16 year old website might not live to see 2020.

my photo portfolio is behind cloudflare because my home server connexion is Cameroon tier

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Does this sea urchin decoration exchange even really need CF or is it just using it for now because it is convenient?

why the FUCK haven't hiroyuki switched to the superior Akamai yet?

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It does. Without CF, Pigfarmchan and Stormfront got nuked off the internet within seconds. Now that they are both in the ground, the skiddies will probably take aim at Jow Forums and Kiwifarms because they're the last two mainstream edgelord hubs.

Hm. Maybe so. Although I was thinking the mods had the skills to do something about it.

is this thread being slid? why are you fucks still talking about 8-chn? the issue the OP is talking about goes much deeper than that.

imagine having all your traffic, even "encrypted" traffic, pass through a big proxy (whatever the reasons: for security, speed, cache, whatever). that's exactly what Cloudflare does. now, Cloudflare is a big ass corporation that serves a SHITLOAD of internet traffic. they can see ALL your connections to said webservers. even the encrypted traffic, because THEIR SERVERS encrypt and decrypt your traffic before going to the actual website you wanted to visit. they can even inject code, and in fact they do that. they could easily analyze your browsing patterns, sell your PRIVATE data to third parties (say, your passwords to 3 letters govt agencies), inject malicious code...

see cloudflare.com/case-studies/ for a small list of clients
there are more CDNs managed by big companies that do the same thing.

this is actually how most "anti-ddos" vps providers deal with ddos attacks lol

Stormfront is gone? Damn! Never heard of the other two

>Threats are warnings, by censoring them you delude potential victims into believing they are in no danger.
No. Threats are attempt to control someone, they don't work if they're ignored.

Sweety, Cloudflare is a private company. They can do whatever they want. :^)

>Cloudflare is a private company
yeah, all companies owned by 3 letters govt agencies are "private" (and there are also foundations and shit), just because it's very convenient for them to keep them that way. they don't want to be kept accountable, do they?

How much shekels did (((they))) pay you?

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Are you a commushit?
:^)

Love how all the boogiemen have Turing test passing bots that can't be told apart from humans yet nobody else even comes close, not even bleeding edge academia

The whole bots thing is an epic meme, it's obviously false. Muh Russian bots simply do not exist and it's painfully obvious that they don't, if they did then anyone could easily find an example of one.

this genuinely makes me sick to my stomach. I hate how right Orwell was about how it would be the people asking to be censored and have the small freedoms the have culled willingly. I hate this shit so much fuck man

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Spotted the Jew

are you an FBI agent?

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>people complaining about cloudflare on a site that uses cloudflare

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what are we supposed to do, you retard? simply not browse it just because it uses CF?